>>> THIS ONE AT LEAST, YOU'RE THE EXPERT HERE, HE DECISIVELY LOST. MIGHT HAVE MADE SOME GREAT REASONS WHERE THE ECONOMY WAS, BUT IT WAS ALL OVER THE MAP. THIS IS THE FIRST OCCASION WHERE IT WASN'T JUST A CLOSE CALL, OF IT A LOPSIDED ONE? WASN'T EVEN A CLOSE CALL. HI AGAIN, EVERYBODY. YOUR EYES DO NOT DECEIVE YOU. IT'S 5:00 IN NEW YORK AND THOSE ARE WORDS THE EX-PRESIDENT CANNOT HANDLE. QUOTE, HE DECISIVELY LOST. DONALD TRUMP HATED HEARING THAT FROM NEIL KABUTO OVER AT FOX SO MUCH HE ATTACKSED THE FOX NEWS ANCHOR IN A SOCIAL MEDIA POST LAST NIGHT CALLING HIM ONE OF THE WORST ON TELEVISION. NEIL IS NOT ALONE IN THAT ASSESSMENT OF TRUMP'S DEBATE PERFORMANCE EVEN AT FOX, EVEN A AMONG PLACES TYPICALLY SOLIDLY FRIENDLY TO THE EX-PRESIDENT. "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS THIS, QUOTE, SEVERAL TRUMP ALLIES AND ADVISE JOERS WHO SPOKE TO THE "NEW YORK TIMES" ANONYMOUSLY SAW IT AS A COULD HE LOWS SAL MISSED OPPORTUNITY. HE HAD ONE OVERRIDING GOAL TO FORCE MS. HARRIS TO OWN HER LEFT WING POLICY AND TO ATTACH TO THE BIDEN/HARRIS RECORD. HE FOUND HIMSELF DEFENDING MANY OF HIS DECISIONS AND PAST POSITIONS WHILE SPREADING UNFOUNDED CLAIMS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS EATING PETS. INDEED, IT APPEARED AS "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS THAT, QUOTE, MR. TRUMP SNAGGED HIMSELF ON EVERY TRAP MISS HARRIS LAID OUT FOR HIM AND HE SHOWCASED HOW HE'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE COMPLETELY BEHOLDEN TO FRINGY FAR RIGHT INFLUENCES AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. NEW REPORTING IN "THE ATLANTIC" EXPLORES HOW TRUMP HAS, QUOTE, EXHIBITED HIMSELF AS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT SIMPLY ON THE INTERNET BUT SOMEONE WHO IS OF THE INTERNET. IN REAL LIFE HE SPEAKS IN POSTS EMBLEMATIC OF THE TERMINALLY ONLINE. ORBAN IS A FIGURE WHO IS MUCH PART OF THE FAR RIGHT. BUT WHO IS LIKELY NOT A WELL-KNOWN FIGURE TO MOST VOTERS. TRANSGENDER OPERATIONS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS IN PRISON IS A PHRASE CHATGPT WOULD SPIT OUT IF YOU FED IT RIGHT WING POSTS AND ASKED IT TO PARODY THEM. HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS EATING PEOPLE'S PETS IN OHIO IS A HALLUCINATION THAT WAS BORN ON THE RIGHT WING INTERNET AS WELL. THAT LAST CLAIM IS ONE SPREAD ON LINE BY PROMINENT FAR RIGHT CONSPIRACY THEORIST LAURA LOOMER WHO WE KNOW TRAVELED WITH DONALD TRUMP ON THE PLANE TO HIS DEBATE. SHE ACCOMPANIED HIM YESTERDAY TO AN EVENT AT A NEW YORK CITY FIRE STATION COMMEMORATING THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE SEPTEMBER 11th TERRORIST ATTACK. ONE PROBLEM, LAST YEAR LAURA LOOMER CALLED 9/11 AN INSIDE JOB. SHE IS A 9/11 TRUTHER. ON SUNDAY SHE POSTED A RACIST TIRADE AGAINST VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS. IT WAS SO RACIST AND OFFENSIVE THAT WE MADE THE DECISION NOT TO PLATFORM IT AND SHOW IT TO YOU. EVEN STAUNCH TRUMP ALLY AND FAR RIGHT EXTREMIST HERSELF, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE CALLED LOOMER OUT FOR IT. WE ONLY TELL YOU THAT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION HOW BAD WAS IT. IT WAS SO BAD MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE WAS OFFENDED. NOW WITH JUST TWO MONTHS LEFT TO GO BEFORE ELECTION DAY, IT IS PEOPLE LIKE LAURA LOOMER WHO ARE DRIVING THE TRUMP TRAIN AND IT'S WHERE WE START THE HOUR WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT VONN HILLIARD IS IN TUCSON, ARIZONA FOR US WHERE TRUMP IS HOLDING A RALLY. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE ECONOMY. PLUS DAVID JOLLY IS HERE. DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND PROFESSOR AT COLUMBUS UNIVERSITY, BASIL MICHAELS IS BACK. THE HOST OF THE PODCAST "THE AMENDMENT," ERIN HAYES IS BACK. VONN HILLIARD, I START WITH YOU. I WONDER WHO THINKS THIS IS WORKING. >> Reporter: THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, NICOLE. I THINK FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE THINKS IT'S WORKING. I THINK THAT IS HOW THIS CAMPAIGN IS OPERATED. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW HIS CO-CAMPAIGN MANAGERS AND SENIOR ADVISERS HAVE POSTURED THEMSELVES TOWARDS DONALD TRUMP, IT HAS BEEN THROUGH ENSURING THAT THEY ARE NOT ACTING AS GATE CAPERS TO HIM. WE HAVE SEEN IT PAST, ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS COME AND GO. HE FIRES THEM. THAT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE THIS GO AROUND. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT OBSTRUCTED THEM. IF DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE WANTS LAURA LOOMER ON HIS PLANE, LAURA LOOMER IS ON HIS PLANE. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A MOMENT WHERE YOU KIND OF SEE THE NEXUS OF EVEN 12 YEARS OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT DONALD TRUMP IS FLIRTING WITH THEM AND OUTRIGHT EMBRACE OF THEM COMING TO A HEAD. MERE WEEKS BEFORE EARLY BALLOTS GO OUT.ARIZONA, YOU COULD SAY IT'S QUITE FITTING TO BE HERE. RIGHT AS YOU'RE COMING TO AIR, FOLKS WERE GIVING A ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO KARI LAKE. JOE ARPAIO IS HERE. HE SAID HIS POSSE MEMBERS FROM THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO INVESTIGATE THE BIRTHERISM CLAIMS SURROUNDING BARACK OBAMA'S BIRTH. AT THE SAME TIME DONALD TRUMP WAS CALLING ATTENTION TO THAT ISSUE. 12 YEARS LATER THE TWO MEN ARE HERE ON THE CUSP OF POTENTIALLY WINNING THE WHITE HOUSE HERE YET AGAIN AND FOR WHAT CONSEQUENCE? WELL, DONALD TRUMP LOST IN 2020 BUT FOR BOTH OF THOSE MEN, THEY ARE STILL GREETED BY ROUNDS OF APPLAUSE, STANDING OVATIONS. THERE IS BASE OF SUPPORT THAT HAS BEEN PROPAGATED BY RIGHT WING MEDIA, FROM CHARLIE KIRK, JACK BASOBIT WHO PERPETUATED AND ELEVATED THE CONVERSATION AROUND, QUOTE, PET EATING AND LAURA LOOMER, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, BILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS WHO ARE ALL BUT LEGITIMIZED BY THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP, WHO TALKS ABOUT THEM. HE'S PRAISED THEM FROM THE STAGE. AND I THINK THAT THE QUESTION HERE IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY FOLLOW THE PROPAGATION OF THESE TYPES OF CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. WE SAW THEM REJECTED IN 2020. WE SAW THEM REJECTED IN 2022. THE QUESTION HERE IS IN THE WEEKS AHEAD AS THE MAIL-IN BALLOTS COME OUT, WILL CROWDS, INDEPENDENT VOTERS, WILL THEY REJECT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE WORDS OF THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, NICOLE. >> TO SURROUND YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE SO CRAZY THAT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN IS SO MAD AND ATTACKING YOU, TELL ME IF THEIR CAMPAIGN IS ABOUT GETTING MORE VOTES THAN KAMALA HARRIS OR IF THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROJECT. >> Reporter: WELL, I THINK THAT THIS IS -- I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS HAPPENING. THERE'S A CAMPAIGN HAPPENING AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER POWER DYNAMIC WHICH IS SIMPLY A MOVEMENT. AND THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING POWER WITHIN IT, RIGHT? MARJORIE TAILOR GREEN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST LAURA LOOMER WHO HAS PLANE ACCESS, FLYING AROUND WITH HIM TO A DEBATE, 9/11 CEREMONIES. THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST LAURA LOOMER ASSOCIATING WITH DONALD TRUMP ARE MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE HAO OVER THE COURSE OF 24 HOURS LED LOOMER TO GO ON A MASS POSTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACKING MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE AS ANTI-SEMETIC, THE OTHER PERSON WAS A REPUBLICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO CAME OUT AND SAID THAT SHE WAS TROUBLE AND DONALD TRUMP SHOULDN'T ASSOCIATE WITH HER AND IN TURN LAURA LOOMER JUST THIS AFTERNOON OPENLY TO HER MASSIVE FOLLOWERS SUGGESTED THAT THIS MEMBER OF CONGRESS IS GAY, SUGGESTING THAT HE NEEDS TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND THAT IS WHY PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL OF LAURA LOOMER. AND DONALD TRUMP AND HIS CAMPAIGN, DESPITE A FLURRY OF OFFICIALS FROM NBC REACHING OUT ASKING IF THERE WAS ANY EFFORT TO DISASSOCIATE THE TWO OR TO PUSH HER AWAY OR MAKE SURE SHE WAS NOT ON THE PLANE, THERE HAS BEEN SILENCE. AND THAT IS WHY LAURA LOOMER CONTINUES TO SEE AN ALLY IN DONALD TRUMP AND, FRANKLY, UNTIL WE HEAR OTHERWISE FROM THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, I THINK THAT WE ARE WATCHING UNFOLD IN REAL TIME A POWER DYNAMIC THAT HAS TAKEN OVER REPUBLICAN PARTY, ELECTIONS ASIDE. EVEN IF HE LOSES, THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT IS GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE ABOUT HUNDREDS OF MILLION DOLLAR ORGANIZATION THAT HAPPENS TO BE A POLITICAL PARTY. >> IT'S REALLY, REALLY DRAMATIC AND REALLY NUANCED AROUND REALLY IMPORTANT. VONN HILLIARD I KNOW IS REALLY CLOSE TO STARTING. WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU GO AND COVER THAT. DO COME BACK. WAVE YOUR ARMS AT THE CAMERA AND