DANA PERINO. "THE FIVE." ♪ ♪ KAMALA ESTIMATES PLANE TO DO AFTER WEEKS OF GHOSTING THE PUBLIC WITH POLICY, HARRIS WILL SIT ON FOR A PRETAPE CHAT WITH CNN TOMORROW. BUT SHE AIN'T GOING SOLO, NO SIRREE, DRAGGING TIM WALZ ALONG FOR THE RIDE AND HE CAN'T GO A-WALZ ON THIS ONE, KAMALA HAS TO FACE THE MUSIC ON A GROWING LIST OF HER FLIP-FLOPS. DESPITE COSPONSORING A BILL THAT WOULD REQUIRE ALL NEW SCAR SALES TO BEVS OR SERIAL EMISSIONS BY 2040, TEAM KAMALA SAYS IT IS AN "ALLY" THAT HARRIS BACK CV MANDATES. IT'S NOT JUST CARS, THE WORD SALAD STEWARD, FRACKING, PRIVATE HEALTH CARE, ROLL IT, SPEND. >> MY PLAN BY 2025, WE WILL HAVE BASICALLY ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES ONLY. 100%. >> THAT WILL NEVER GET BUILT. >> THERE IS NO QUESTION I AM IN FAVOR OF BANNING FRACKING PEER. >> MEDICARE FOR ALL BUILT I BELIEVE WILL TOTALLY ELIMINATE PRIVATE INSURANCE. SO FOR PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO LIKE THEIR INSURANCE, THEY DON'T GET TO KEEP IT? >> LET'S ELIMINATE ALL OF THAT. LET'S MOVE ON. >> Greg: JAMES CARVILLE IS WORRIED HARRIS WENT TOO FAR TO THE LEFT IN 2019 AND WILL HAVE A HARD TIME WALKING BACK. >> AN EFFECTIVE DANCER FOR 2019, WHICH WAS NOT GOOD. REALLY MOVED TO THE LEFT IN THE PRIMARIES. SHE NEEDS HER OVERARCHING ANSWERS TO PLAY SOLID. THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WORRIES ME. >> Greg: THIS IS THE PROBLEM, JESSICA, ISN'T IT? YOU KNOW, PERHAPS, IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT, WHY NOT JUST BE THE SAME PERSON ALL THE TIME. WHY ADOPT A DIFFERENT PERSONA BEFORE AN ELECTION, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE CENTRIST, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET INCOME ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GO RADICAL LEFT, WHY BE TWO PEOPLE? IT'S LIKE HAVING A SECRET FAMILY, JESSICA, THAT YOU HIDE FROM OTHER PEOPLE. >> Jessica: I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THAT. >> Greg: I KNOW, JESSE P OR. >> Jessica: DON'T SAY THAT. [LAUGHTER] KICK ANYONE ELSE AT THE TABLE. [LAUGHTER] >> Judge Jeanine: STAY WITH JESSE. >> Jessica: SO THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD FARE THAT SOMEONE WHO HAS RUN BEFORE, HAD POLICIES THEY DON'T NECESSARILY IMPLEMENT WHILE THEY ARE IN OFFICE, AND THE CLOSEST PROXY FOR WHAT KAMALA HARRIS WOULD BE IS WHO KAMALA HARRIS WAS AS VP AND PART OF THE BIDEN-HARRIS TICKET. UNDERSTAND THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR SOME PEOPLE BUT YOU CANNOT RUN FROM THAT. YOU CAN RUN FROM A POSITION YOU TOOK IN 2019, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, I THINK THAT SHE COULD DO VERY WELL. ROLL THE CLIPS, SHOW ME WHAT I SAID AND I WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT IT IS ONCE YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOVERNING AND THAT YOU CAN'T GET THINGS LIKE THAT PAST. SOMETHING LIKE MEDICARE FOR ALL, FOR INSTANCE. A LOT OF PEOPLE WISH THAT WE HAD GREAT PUBLIC HEALTH CARE AND YOU DIDN'T NEED PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T GO AND SAY YOU SHOULD ELIMINATE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE -- >> Greg: A COMMUNIST WOULD SAY THAT. >> Jessica: THAT'S NOT TRUE. ALL OVER EUROPE, THEY ARE NOT COMING AT SPEWED. >> Greg: WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. [LAUGHTER] >> Dana: ALL OVER EUROPE, WEALTHY PEOPLE GET PRIVATE ENTRANCE BECAUSE THEIR SYSTEM SUCKS. >> Jessica: THE PEOPLE WHO ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE ARE NOT COMMUNISTS. WHEN I WAS THERE I USE THE NHS. >> Greg: I LIVED IN LONDON AND IT WAS TERRIBLE. I GOT MY OWN PRIVATE DOCTOR. >> Dana: SAME. >> Greg: MOVED IN. >> Jessica: THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL STORY. I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE PINNING HER DOWN AS JUST A MASSIVE FLIP-FLOP OR -- >> Jesse: PINNING HER DOWN, JESSICA? >> Jesse: COME ON. >> Greg: I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE A CORRECTION RIGHT NOW. >> Jesse: PIN HER DOWN, REALLY? >> Jessica: I CAN'T TODAY. WHATEVER. [LAUGHTER] WHEN YOU ARE COMPETING AGAINST TRUMP, WHO HAS A LONG RECORD -- A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN, I'M NOT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RACE SHE IS PARTICIPATING IN AND SHE IS RUNNING AGAINST HIM ONE WHO WANTS TO BAN TIKTOK BUT THEN DOESN'T WANT TO COME A FOREIGN NATIONAL ABORTION BAN AND NOW I'M NOT, I'M FOR VISAS FOR HIGHLY SKILLED MIGRANTS, NOW I'M NOT. THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS BY WHICH SHE IS GOING TO BE JUDGED WHICH I THINK WILL BE A HELP FOR HER IF SHE IS COMING BACK FROM TAKING POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT THAT POPULAR. >> Greg: FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH. DANA, IT SEEMS LIKE, SO WALZ IS GOING TO BE ACCOMPANYING KAMALA. IT'S KIND OF LIKE BRING YOUR WEIRD UNCLE TO WORKDAY. YOU KNOW, WHO SAID THESE INTERVIEWS COULD BE A PLUS ONE? >> Dana: IF I EVER RUN FOR PRESIDENT I AM DEFINITELY TAKING YOU WITH ME. FOR THE COMIC RELIEF. HE WILL HELP ME OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THAT BIG OF A DEAL, EXCEPT THAT YES, MOST TICKETS HAVE APPEARED TOGETHER, BUT ONLY AFTER THE CANDIDATE HAS GONE THROUGH A PRIMARY, DONE A BUNCH OF INTERVIEWS. WE'VE GONE 40 DAYS WITHOUT EVER LEARNING ANYTHING. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT JESSICA MENTIONED, TRUMP HAS ACTUALLY HAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS TO WHY DID HE CHANGE HIS MIND, AND SHE HASN'T HAD TO DO THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED THE LAST 40 DAYS IS A ANONYMOUS CAMPAIGN AIDES LOOKING OUT PIECES OF INFORMATION LIKE SHE IS NO LONGER FOR A LECTURED VEHICLE MANDATES, NO MONGER FOR FRACKING, NO MAYOR MEDICARE FOR ALL. SO I'M THINKING WHY HAVE THEY DONE THAT? THEY SPENT 40 DAYS ALLOWING HER TO BE CALLED A FLIP-FLOPPER AND SHE COULD HAVE MADE THAT NEWS TONIGHT IN HER FIRST INTERVIEW. SHE NEEDS TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE NEWS TONIGHT OR TOMORROW NIGHT WHEN THAT INTERVIEWS TAKES PLACE, OR THE NEWS WILL BE MADE FOR HER. >> Greg: I WANT TO MAKE A NOTE TO THE VIEWERS, WE SAY FLIP-FLOP, WE DON'T MEAN IT LITERALLY, SHE IS NOT ON HER BACK AND FLIPPING TO HER STOMACH. WE WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT IS AN ANALOGY, CHANGING YOUR MIND REPEATEDLY. JUDGE, IT SEEMS LIKE KAMALA DOES HAVE A DUAL PERSONALITY THAT CAN ONLY EXIST IF THE MEDIA JUST KEEPS THEIR HANDS OFF HER, AND THAT IS WHY THEY PICKED THE FRIENDLY'S AT THE CNN BUREAU. >> Judge Jeanine: WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, HERE IS A WOMAN WHO IS TRYING TO BREAK THE ULTIMATE GLASS CEILING, ALL RIGHT? THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. AND SHE NEEDS TO DRAG ALONG THE COACH SO THAT SHE CAN SURVIVE THIS INTERVIEW. WHY? BECAUSE SHE WILL PROBABLY SPEND HALF THE TIME ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE ONCE SHE STARTS WITH THE WORD SALAD, HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO JUMP IN AND SAVE HER, AND "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" TODAY TALKED ABOUT, I MEAN, IT WAS IN A A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO RISK HER POTENTIAL EXPOSURE RISK AND LIMIT HER ANSWERS AND IT WILL BE HARDER TO DO A FOLLOW-U. THEY ARE WRINGING THEIR HANDS, WHO IS GOING TO DO THE INTERVIEW, WHO DO THEY PICK, CNN AND DANA BASH. NOW DANA BASH IS THE ONE EVERYONE WAS HAPPY WITH THE DEBATE. BUT A DEBATE IS DIFFERENT FROM AN INTERVIEW. AN INTERVIEW REQUIRES A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. AND THE TRUTH IS THAT KAMALA LACKS CONFIDENCE, BUT DANA BASH IS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SAID TO J.D. VANCE, SHE WAS NOT THE BORDER CZAR, SHE WAS THERE ONLY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ROOT CAUSES OF IMMIGRATION ARE. YOU KNOW, SHE IS RIGHT IN THEIR TO MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW WHAT HER POLITICAL IDEOLOGY IS. DO WE HAVE WATCHED THE WOMAN FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS. SHE IS A WORD SALAD MESS. THE ONLY TIME SHE MAKES SENSE IS WHEN SHE READS A TELEPROMPTER AND IF READING A TELEPROMPTER IS ALL YOU NEED TO BE PRESIDENT THAN I NEED TO BE PRESIDENT, TOO, AND SO CAN ANY THIRD-GRADER. YOU'VE GOT A WOMAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE HER MEETING WITH XI JINPING OR PUTIN, GOING TO DRAG THE COACH ALONG, TOO? >> Greg: THAT WOULD BE FUN. JESSE, JAMES CARVILLE, YOUR GOOD FRIEND -- >> Jesse: I WISH. >> Greg: HE HATES YOU, I THINK THAT'S FAIR APPEARED. >> Jesse: HE TOLD ME TO STICK A TAMPON UP MY NOSE. >> Greg: WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME. THIS UNSPEAKABLE TRUTH, YOU CAN ONLY BE A LEFTIST WHEN NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION. AND PEOPLE START PAYING ATTENTION, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO LIVE. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH KAMALA. >> Jesse: SHE IS PROBABLY GOING TO SHOW UP TO THE DEBATE WITH A BANDAGE ON HER EAR, GOING FULL ULTRA MAGA AT THIS POINT. TRUMP CHANGED A POSITION ON A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN BECAUSE OF THE ROE V. WADE DECISION, A PRETTY BIG DECISION THAT HAD TO CREATE. HE ALSO CHANGED THE POSITION ON TIKTOK. THESE ARE SMALL THINGS. TSHE HAS CHANGE EVERY SINGLE POSITION SHE HAS EVER HAD. PROBLEMS IN 2019, PROBLEMS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AND SHE HAS PROBLEMS NOW BECAUSE THIS LAST WEEK SHE GOT COOKED. THIS WAS A HUGE VACUUM WHERE SHE TOOK THE WEEK OFF TO PREPARE FOR A CNN INTERVIEW, OR A DEBATE OR WHATEVER THE HELL SHE WAS DOING FOR THE LAST WEEK AND THE MEDIA GOT ANNIHILATED BY REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THE MEDIA IS TRYING TO DEFEND HER RECORD AND EVEN THEY CAN'T DEFEND HER RECORD BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HER RECORD IS. KAMALA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER RECORD IS. THE KAMALA CAMPAIGN DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER RECORD IS. THEY WON'T SEND WALZ OUT TO DO INTERVIEWS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER POSITIONS ARE. A TERRIBLE WEEK, SHE GOT NO BOUNCE OUT OF THE CONVENTION -- >> Jessica: THAT'S NOT TRUE, SHE HAD A FOUR-POINT BOUNCE. IN GEORGIA TODAY CAMPAIGNING PEER. >> Jesse: LOOK AT THE POLLS -- >> Jessica: I DO LOOK AT ALL OF THE POLLS. THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> Jesse: CHECK IT OUT, IN THE BREAK. AND SHE IS DOWN, CHECKED THAT IN THE BREAK, TOO. 39 DAYS TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO A CNN INTERVIEW, IT TOOK HER 39 DAYS? THAT'S INSANE. THEY ARE PROBABLY DOING MOCK INTERVIEWS. REMEMBER HOW SHE HAD TO GO TO THAT DINNER PARTY IN D.C., THEY HELD A MOCK DINNER PARTY. THEY HAD TO PREPARE -- >> Jessica: WHAT IF SHE PICKS THE WRONG FORK? >> Jesse: I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE PREPARING FOR, OKAY? THIS WOMAN, SINCE THE RFK JR. ENDORSEMENT, HAS LOST EVERY NEWS CYCLE OF EVERY DAY FOR THE LAST WEEK, EVERYBODY KNOWS SHE HAS NO CLUE WHAT HER IDENTITY WAS, WHAR POSITIONS ARE, AND IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME OUT IN WRITING AND CHANGE YOUR POSITIONS, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ACTUAL SURROGATES FROM KAMALA HARRIS GO ON TV AND EXPLAIN THIS, DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T. AND THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL SPINSTERS, AND EVEN THEY CAN'T DEFEND THE FLIP-FLOP. >> Jessica: HAVE YOU CHECKED IN WITH ANY CONSERVATIVES ABOUT THE RFK ENDORSEMENT AND IMPACT TULSI GABBARD MADE HIM A CAMPAIGN? I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD FOR YOUR SIDE. >> Jesse: YOU DON'T THINK HAVING RFK ENDORSED IS GOOD? >> Jessica: IT MAKES DONALD TRUMP A COMPLETE THE UNSERIOUS CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE. >> Judge Jeanine: SHE IS THE MOST UNSERIOUS, LAUGHED FOR EIGHT YEARS, HATE USING THAT WORD ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. >> Jesse: WE WILL TAKE RFK JR. APPEARED. >> Jessica: YOU TAKE HIM. >> Jesse: TAKE HIM AND HIS VOTES. >> Judge Jeanine: BETTER FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> Greg: ALL RIGHT COME I WANT TO MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS, WHEN JESSE SAID THAT KAMALA'S CHANGING POSITIONS, HE MEANT POLITICAL POSITIONS. ALSO WHEN HE CLAIMED KAMALA GOT COOKED, DIDN'T MEAN IT LITERALLY P HAD. >> Jesse: NOT CANNIBALIZED. >> Greg: AND WHEN YOU MENTION SPINSTERS, YOU ARE TALKING POLITICAL SPIN, NOT THE WOMEN. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.