THIS IS THE POINT TO MAKE ON THE STAGE LAST NIGHT. >> Lawrence: AINSLEY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIALS. WE ALL HAD OUR ANALYSIS YESTERDAY ABOUT THE DEBATE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIALS FOR INDEPENDENT VOTERS, WHEN THEY SAW THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE DISCUSSED. IT SHOOTS UP NOT ONLY WITH REPUBLICANS, BUT INDEPENDENTS AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO CHERRY PICK DIFFERENT MOMENTS, BUT WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO THE ISSUES, IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD AN IMPACT ON THE VOTERS. >> Ainsley: WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS ELECTION THAT I DON'T EVER REMEMBER SEEING IN MY LIFETIME, WE HAVE TWO CANDIDATES WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >> Lawrence: YES. >> Ainsley: KAMALA FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS AS VICE PRESIDENT. DONALD TRUMP FOUR YEARS BEFORE THAT AS PRESIDENT. SO WE KNOW WHERE THEY BOTH STAND. AND THAT'S WHY THAT FIRST QUESTION IN THE DEBATE WAS SO IMPORTANT. ARE YOU BETTER OFF? WERE YOU BETTER OFF UNDER HIM OR UNDER HER? AND I HEARD PEOPLE SAY THIS IS AN ISSUES ELECTION. >> Lawrence: THAT'S RIGHT. >> Ainsley: MIGHT NOT LIKE THE PERSONALITY OF HER FLIP-FLOPPING. MIGHT NOT LIKE HIS PERSONALITY. HOW DO THEY VOTE? WHAT IS THEIR RECORD? ARE YOU BETTER OFF? >> Steve: TO THAT POINT THERE IS AN ITEM THEY JUST POSTED ON THE "NEW YORK TIMES" WEBSITE THAT TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEBATE COUPLE NIGHTS AGO. AND SO WHAT THE HARRIS CAMP IS ENCOURAGED BY IS THE FACT THAT THEY -- SHE WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE DEBATE ALL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT JOE BIDEN COULD NOT DO DURING HIS YEAR RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. HE COULD NOT DO IT SHE DID IT IN A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY, ESSENTIALLY. THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT DEBATE CAME TWO DAYS AGO. YESTERDAY, ALABAMA SENT OUT THE FIRST ABSENTEE BALLOTS. IT WAS GOING TO BE NORTH CAROLINA. BUT R.F.K. CHALLENGED IT. THEY GOT TO REPRINT EVERYTHING. SO ALABAMA SENT OUT THE ABSENTEE BALLOTS. PEOPLE IN ALABAMA NOW WILL BE ABLE TO START VOTING. >> Brian: HERE IS WHAT THE UNDECIDED VOTERS ARE SAYING. VERY INTERESTING. PUNDITS AND EXPERTS. WATCH. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE VOTING FOR THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY AND NOT WHO WE LIKE THE MOST OR WHO WE WANT IN OUR WEDDING PARTY. BUT, WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY BETTER. WE ARE INCREDIBLY UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE WE HAD CANDIDATES IN OFFICE BEFORE AND WE GOT TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD DO. WHEN FACTS COME TO FACTS. MY LIFE WAS BETTER WHEN TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE. THE ECONOMY WAS HIGHER. INFLATION WAS LOWER. THINGS WERE BETTER OVERALL. AND NOW WITH KAMALA'S ADMINISTRATION, THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN SO FANTASTIC. AND SHE IS SAYING SHE CAN FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT HER ADMINISTRATION HAS CAUSED, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF I CAN AFFORD TO TAKE THAT RISK. >> Lawrence: THAT WAS THE DANGER. YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP THE ENTIRE DEBATE. YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC PEOPLE AREN'T TRYING TO ELECT A PRIEST RIGHT NOW. >> Ainsley: WE STILL DON'T KNOW HER ISSUES. >> Lawrence: EXACTLY. >> Brian: CANDIDATE SAYING EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU WANT THEM TO SAY. SHE IS SAYING I'M GOING TO BE TOUGH ON THE BORDER, REALLY? BUT YOU HAVEN'T. DID I SOMETHING BEFORE I WAS SENATOR THEN I DID IT. DONALD TRUMP TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING SEPARATE FROM WHAT IT IS DOING TO THESE CITIES AND STATES. >> Lawrence: YOU JUST EXPECT ALL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO HAVE AMNESIA ABOUT THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS. THEY DO REMEMBER AND THEY ARE STILL EXPERIENCING THE PAIN. >> Steve: LIT CO-HAS AN ITEM UP RIGHT NOW TALKS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF UNDER ESTIMATING DONALD TRUMP THEY WRITE IN PART. THE MOST IMPORTANT POLITICAL LESSON OF THE TRUMP ERA APPLIES HERE. WHEN ALL THE CORNERS OF ELITE THINKING ARE IN AGREEMENT WHETHER IT'S ON SOCIAL MEDIA, MAIN STREET, PRINT, CABLE GREEN ROOMS, IT'S BEST TO BE VERY SKEPTICAL. >> Ainsley: I LOVE THAT. >> Steve: GOING FORWARD, THIS ITEM I REFERRED TO IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES," BECAUSE THEY GOT PEOPLE CLOSE TO KAMALA HARRIS CAMPAIGN. APPARENTLY SHE IS GOING TO BE GOING TO NORTH CAROLINA TODAY, PENNSYLVANIA TOMORROW, SHE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO SIT FOR INTERVIEWS WITH LOCAL MEDIA AND SHE IS GOING TO DO AN INTERVIEW, I BELIEVE, NEXT WEEK WITH THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLACK JOURNALISTS. SO LET'S SEE IF THEY ARE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT THE ABC PEOPLE COULD NOT. >> Ainsley: JAMES CLYBURN YOU SAW WHAT HE SAID YESTERDAY HE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT. I HOPE SHE DOESN'T DO ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS BECAUSE SOMETHING