THE BRIDGE BETWEEN SPIRITUAL GROWTH AND EVERYDAY LIFE with Jocelyne Ranucci — (Part Two)

Introduction [Music] hello everyone this is another freedom to feel conversation and my guest today one once again the lovely Joseline ranucci she's an author guide and businesswoman she's the author of from childhood to christh a journey into Universal Divine Consciousness that's the title of her book that we have been talking about for a while now audio interviews and then another video interview before this one this will be part two of sharing her beautiful working message which is a spiritual one very close to my heart as I always say to her and everybody else I meet but the topic specific topic is the bridge between spiritual growth in everyday life which is a fascinating one because a lot of times we don't know how to integrate spiritual practices knowledge or wisdom into daytoday living especially relationships I have to say so before we get into the topic I have a Who is Jocelyne few questions that I didn't ask you last time jine it was um we had the conversation about the greater truth and I didn't ask you a few questions that I would love to today but before that for those who don't know you how would you describe yourself who is jeline as of this moment well I you know I I don't even know what to say I I I I'm just a person that uh was given certain uh uh challenges in my life and uh I uh I I fronted them I would say I did you know one by one and so now you know I am in the third chapter of my life and uh will probably be the final chapter of this life anyway and uh I can say that uh you know I am at peace with with myself with the world uh and uh and I want to share some some of it you know hopefully uh helping somebody find their own piece maybe and that's about it you know yes uh what's not to love about that the exploration of inner truth finding out how to overcome challenges which has been my case too in so many people out there and then writing the book and then putting out there and then now sharing the message I always say that spirituality is what we need the most in this world we live in in this reality called the physical reality we do need spirituality it I can't help it but think that's the foundation That's the basis of a life that's worth living I even have to say it that way so do you feel the same way Spirituality comes first jasine because you know a lot of people prioritize wellness and health and other things but I think spirituality comes first well I think spirituality is H is very important but it also you know the degree in which you're going to involve yourself in spirituality in fi finding your yourself and all of that depends also your condition of your life you know so but in the end you know it all goes back to the same thing of knowing who you are and you know to your spirit and spirituality so um I just think that I agree with you that it's it's it's important because it's through understanding uh spirituality or learning that you get an understanding of who you are and then you can uh change yourself and uh you know as I say become your best self at every moment that's all you can ask for uh but for that yeah and and and because also when you enter the world of spirituality of learning you know that will change your uh your action how you act you know in this world so yeah it's it's in my opinion too it's very important but the body is important too you know um the emotion are important everything is important it's just a matter how you you look at it and you adapt it to to to your life or to life in general right right yes that's exactly what I mean by spirituality what Getting to know yourself you said about getting to know yourself going deeper into your own truth meaning the body the emotions the thoughts everything almost like this um this adventure the inner World exploration yes I I will share with you I think I I read that in the book that when I was in my 20s when I got a sense of what spirituality was and you know I got involved and the first thing that changed for me was how I address my body because at the time I did not take care of I was 20 I was beutyful you know it was okay but I did not really take care the way I ate all that and I hardly ate any vegetable I was a meat and potato person and when I enter the the the spirit if you want and I start my search uh my body went well no you got to change now and you know I was kind of geared to eating vegetable to changing so it's it may sound a little bit silly and childish what I'm saying but your body is part of it too you know it's part of the journey how you you deal with your body yes right some say it's the vessel right it's the the tool through which we explore this reality and see everything things of course yes yeah I know we will tap into the topic of the bridge between spiritual growth and everyday life but is that the main message would you say jasine kind of um living spiritual growth through the everyday life kind of integrating body mind and yes feelings yes I think that's very important because we are on earth we are having an earthy experience so yes we we need to address our spirituality and we are through that um uh V if you want so for me in a way you know everybody is different but for me that is the main yeah uh uh uh goal and and the most important thing is to leave your spirituality and understand yourself and leave it through your Human Experience you know Ah that's one of the questions you know that I didn't ask you Living your truth last time the guided questions how do we know when we are living Our Truth like what are the signs what would you say well they are many sign but you know uh when you are living your truth life is easier for you you know like I don't know not everybody's the same but like you know a lot of us is what I said before we can running after life and sometime we lose we can't catch our breath because we always running after life but when you enter into your um into your own world and you are at peace and and and it's like life leads you you follow the life you know yes and so you you find a certain piece it is not perfect a lot of thing are going to happen to you and you still sometime you sad sometime you upset but it does not stick really you know it's like you you you are in the flow of something and so you know the flow yes I think the flow is a good word for that yes you know there's somebody that I'll will be that I'm working with now Adrian Amry he's from Australia he wrote a whole book about that the flow it's I think it's called the Dow tuning the art of flow so it's all about that I mean and he goes back back again and again and again about sovereignty being true to you always that's what he kind of the message keeps repeating itself in different way it goes back like the main pillar for growing spiritually is addressing your truth it's living it's being what you he to be it's kind of listening to everything that's happened within yourself and kind of following the signs and he calls that the flow so I know it's not an easy thing to do but I want to also go back to something that the flow I don't want to forget that but something that you said you know within the the passage that has to do with this topic of the bridge between spiritual growth and everyday life you say little by little we find inner and outer peace and we live life rather than fighting it yeah that's just what I yeah that's what I was trying to tell you right now you know it's like of running after life of fight life you know yes because of wanting something or whatever you just wi it right so in a way Jaslin is uh Letting go spiritual practices if they are true that's if they are real they will address letting go it's more actually about letting it be kind of not fighting not resisting to anything than the opposite than acquiring more knowledge or trying find so hard to meditate or to be in a certain way well yes but you have to achieve to get to that place where you are able to let it be yeah you know how you going to get there you know so I think it's a mixture of everything and it depends you know you you need to find the the knowledge you need to uh re re uh awaken awaken the knowledge that you already have that you forgot because when we are born we forget everything we have like the veil of forgetness we don't know exactly why we here we don't we forget even you know when when you uh listen to the story of a great spiritual Master like you know Jesus or Buddha even Buddha he forgot is like when they say what is that no that's not correct I have to find out the truth and it did you know so everybody we we come we forget we have to awaken that truth that we have within us there is a a process so you need to it's like you need to find ways to reawaken that truth that knowledge right and that doesn't come like at once you know and so it's through that process that yes you need to learn to let go you need to learn you know and all of that happen little by little by little depending how much you willing and able to to walk at it to go towards it you know some people they go a little bit and then they stop you know they don't go deeper yes so it depends it depends talk to me about that because for some Timeless truth people who don't really know what that truth is I call them fundamental truth like Timeless truth so that we have for forgotten you said so what is that that we have forgotten and why are we afraid of it some of us and we let go I think we we forgot who we are where we come from you know we we forgot if if if actually we are reincarnated and reincarnated we forgot past life you know some people say okay I'm going to visit my past life and you know I was this one I was this one but we did for get but all of that all this information is is in us you know as I say I call it my spiritual de you know you've got all of that and so you have to reacquaint yourself with all of that yeah you know so then you find out uh but still it's still very um you find out what you decide to believe that it's true to you but that's all that matters you know in the end yes for me it's just very Eternal natural since I was very little it's very clear to me that I was not here for the first time was something that was that this whatever this is was eternal was always Never Dies really so is that what you're referring to when you talk about past lives that means the true us what we are really not who it's something that never dies that's Eternal uh well you know if if the So-Cal Spirit you know the the soul and the spirit that what we believe is eternal uh you know when when I was young I did not believe I was eternal and now I I don't really know that I am Eternal but I you know that's that's what it feels right to me me is not Eternal obviously but you know the essence of who I am is if only if you think about it you know if we all come from that same Creative Energy this Universal Creative Energy then we have to be Eternal at least as long as this energy exist because we are the same so we we cannot disappear because if we all disappear then it's all gone right you know what I'm saying so but you see to things like that is is nice and you have a lot of very deep spiritual teaching and and all of that is is very very good but I think at first the most important is how you apply that to yourself and to life and to your behavior that is the most important whether I am Eternal or not Eternal whether in the end of the day for today you know what we be is is not important it's important but it's not it's like you know sometime I hear people say oh you know we are inside the spirit or the spirit is inside who cares we we are Spirit we are energy whether I'm inside the spirit or or the spirit is inside of me in the end is the same thing it's what the individual feel more comfortable to believe you know and so you have the people say okay you know we what we are experiencing is not real it's just a dream yeah you know it's like it's just an experience the spirit decide to to to have well that's very nice and it's it might be true maybe I'm just a projection and I'm looking at my life on TV you know all of that I'm not say you know it's probably not right and all of that but does it help you on the daytoday life does it help you when you are sad does he help you when you don't know what to do with yourself you see yeah so that's for me it's important to go back to to to who you are each individual how do you feel how do you react how can you change that how can you be a better person better understanding you know because that's the way life change and if life change for you life change for people around you and then you know it can multiply so yeah I would say that changed well for me it changed everything and at the same time it didn't as you know it just my life stayed the same my body and everything but it from the perception level it changed everything I can't see I cannot unsee that it's just so much different now the way I see Life do you see that do you that does it make sense to you this idea that knowledge can change also our our experience yes def definitely yes if you if you for in your case you know uh to understand to feel to believe that you were Eternal as you say remove all the fear you you had because it was a deep rooted understanding but it was not in in my opinion I don't think it was something new for you this is something that let's hypothetically know this is something that you had already maybe in previous lives and a plural okay yes reach a level that had brought you to that understanding so that in your case once the the memory was trigger you went right back to that level because you already had reached that understanding right that's what I think you know and so right away it help you find your place within those sphere and all of that okay but that's why you know once you ask me why don't you teach I don't want to tell people what to do because we all different yeah and in my opinion you know what you experience is your experience but you cannot teach this to somebody else because somebody else is not going to have done the same Journey eventually probably we do all the same Journey but maybe not at the same time yes so I think when I really believe that when you have a a realization is not something that you're just learning now it's something that you knew and and so now you're going to use that probably at a different level because obviously you are back here on Earth so you you are here to learn something else or whatever it is or maybe just to do what you're doing and spread the message so every time you kind of build up so you know in a sense you don't learn the truth you recognize the truth you remember it yes that's it the idea that we um that we just go through Evidence lifetimes kind to learn these things and realize know the truth and then express it and then kind of live it it seems like we have a lot of evidence for that from what I see in now past life the Mind continuation evidence with out of body experiences neod death experiences there are so many evidence for that almost we can deny in a way right no I I agree but you know some people still don't believe it right so you know everybody has has a you know they have the right to believe what they believe and this life they they don't believe in it maybe they come back and they change maybe they don't need to be in it this life because for whatever reason so that's fascinating what he just said it's an interesting insight about not all of us are walking the same path not all of us will become aware or realize the truth at the same time so are you implying that that's theas reason why we don't live in this peaceful you know beautiful reality right now may maybe yes because we we are at at at different level so that's why you know I think to come back to to the beginning right that that that the spiritual uh awareness uh of each individual is important because then it grows and as it grows it sh the the Mass Consciousness or whatever you want to call it and as that shift the world can shift you know but uh and and maybe on Earth it never really happen maybe we just here and maybe there is another Another Earth somewhere where it's a little bit you know more advanced I don't know but uh yeah I mean you know and see how much is evident now with people being so aart in their belief in in their what they want you know so yeah they not we not we walking the same path but not at the same Pace right do you feel like once we tap into this Belief Systems knowledge realization belief which I have a question for you about belief systems too so once we know that fundamental truth don't you think it would help like you said would just kind of uh go out there and by sharing by speaking about these things is that possible that somebody could all of the sudden shift and kind of remember the truth if they want to they will they have to go within you still have to stop and and and say I want to know the truth yes you know it's and if they want to yes so you're also saying in a way that those who have realized the truth they Teaching by Example can do whatever they want with it it's not something that you have to go out there and let other people know you can just kind of keep it to yourself the idea is to teach by example and so you know if we if we stay in the in the idea in the spirit that we are energy okay so somebody and so maybe sometime you know is is is not to spiritual Master is just somebody trying to find their truth and and and be you know real abouts so then um the energy they're going to release is going to be more harmonious more balanc you know and that's that's all you can do those spread that nice energy around you in the best way you you you can you nobody needs to be a teacher nobody needs to write a book that's that's very ni and and also you know you need to be not concerned but like you know um aware of a lot of people that what do they use their spirituality for you you know just to to make money to you know what is really their intention you know some people may have beautiful intention and some not so much so you you need to be very aware of all of that you know don't don't just uh you know get everything that's thrown at you and accept it as true no you have to be careful use discernment you know that that that's why you know the the journey within if if you learn from your spirit from your higher self from God within whatever it is you you uh relate to that Force within you you are only going to learn what you need to learn yeah and what you are ready to learn because who knows you better than yourself you know what I'm saying so the th this is you know what whatever you realize within a meditation or or you know or just maybe you read the book and some oh my God that resonate so true to me this got to be true yeah then this is the real for you because it's your higher self that are is giving you that information you know so so you need to be very careful who your teacher is ah so we become our own guide yes right by paying attention by listening you are your yourself your spiritual yourself is your best teacher is your best doctor is your best friend yes you know and it's some time it's your best mother or your best father because that's where you get the love from yeah beautiful message an empowering one for all of us right In Doubt because we tend I noticed that when I am in doubt I know when I'm in doubt because I start asking other people oh you know what do you think about this should I do this that's when I know that there's some doubt in here it's probably the reason now I'm getting more def feeling that the more I am in doubt or the more something's not meant for me the more I go outside and I ask other the people what do you think about this should I do this should I do that so now I know I mean is that the way am I in the right direction here Joseline well yes yes and no because your We Are All One Spirit too so your spirit is going talk to you to many uh M yes you know maybe on television oh my God yes I understand now it could be a book it could be a friend it could be a conversation you overhear so if you have that you know you ask your friend you ask advice you just you ask and then you process you just don't take the first advice and say okay I'm going to do that and until but you know you may you may get the message from somebody you ask and say oh my God you know you're right and and then when it feels good here the there is no pool nothing then most of the time that would be you going in the right direction right you know and many time we don't do that and you know we pay for it but in the other end whatever direction we take it's always the right direction because it's it's always a Direction that's going to help you know yourself and face yourself it's just that you know if you make the wrong turn it's going to take longer and it's going might be more difficult but in the end you're always going toward knowing yourself and toward selfawareness if that the PA you want to take if you had make a deal with your spirit you know I want to take that PA once you make that deal fasten your seat belt because no matter what you're going to go [Laughter] ahead so there's no wrong way really no well you know I'm sure you you have everybody in life took a wrong term like you know you had that little feeling say don't do that don't do that but your mind was going do that do that and you did it and then oh okay we all went there right we all did that oh yeah and a lot of times I thought it was following my intuition and that's another question I think yeah Spirit vs Intuition the intuition thought it was my intuition that I was following and then it wasn't so how do we know the difference that's one of the questions the voice of the ego the spirit and intuition it's it's it's hard you don't really know you know you know because sometime maybe you have to follow your ego in order to learn some so you know actually your intuition is going to guide you the wrong way in order to the right way and all of that you know so in the end you you don't really know sometime you just have to do things and then you find out and then as I say in the end is never the wrong the wrong move because you know your spirit is only going to to amaz guide you toward your goal it's you know how easy you going to make it or how difficult you going to make it most of us we make it difficult you know [Laughter] but that's when we go back to what you were saying you know like once you know that you are Spirit when you know that you know when you have a certain understanding about that you are not that body and you don't have to have all what you think you have then it's easier because you don't get a touch you know right is is what I said to to to to flow with a life doesn't mean that you're not going to have some hardship doesn't mean mean that you're not going to have some sadness or whatever but it's the way you're going to deal with it is going to be different because you're not going to be attached to it you're going to know okay yeah it's going to pass I'm going to go through that and it's going to pass you know like before you you you become you become the pen you become the hardship you know and then you fight it you fight it that's gone no more fight that's it you see that's powerful message Body Mind Spirit too yeah not resisting not fighting which has to do with fear that means we are afraid of ourselves in a way so I love the way you um you see it's almost like um there's no Gap right jasine between the spirit and the ego the intuition and anything else so the Mind Body Spirit it's one it's not something that they are not separate no I I think so except you know we we we live in a world of Separation in somehow you know so we we we sometime it's easier to to see them separate but in the end even the the the body the mind the heart it's it's it's one it's one you know but I think it's good sometimes okay I deal with my body okay I deal with my mind I deal with my heart because it's not is too much and then when when when you you know after a while you say okay my my mind my heart my body my spirit now we are one one Unity going ahead working towards yes and that's what you mean Closing the Gap when you talk about this bridge between the spiritual growth in everyday life it's closing that Gap yes yes and so then you know so then it's like life is going to always make sure you have what what you want and even in the little the little M because you know life it's it's it's on the day today little thing you know is find a parking find the shoes I mean you know I'm I'm being a bit silly now but but it is true you know what makes your life difficult sometime it's all the the the little thing and U then of course we can talk about relationship and all that but but then you know life as I say life is going to open open itself to you yeah you know and what you need is going to come to you sometime maybe not the way you think but it come to you you know so then a lot of stress you don't have so much stress right you know it's like yeah yeah yeah I love the passage you talked about Purification purification you use that word in your book you say as we progress with purification the positive nature of our actions has a Rippling effect on every aspect of our lives and we are blessed by divine intervention whenever needed as you said well for me for me uh you know most of us at least me for sure I had a lot of uh uh wrong belief false belief about myself about life you know and uh I did a lot of wrong thing you know I had I my thought were not always nice or my word you know because everything matters so for instance when you speak is not only what you say is how you say it uh you know what you are saying how you saying and what the S be behind that you know and so that that is to become self aware of of of your of your process of your data how you react and all of that needs to be purified because in order to go to the core you need to get rid of everything that's suffocating the core and all of those false belief those uh those NE negative emotion negative thought and all of that they they they they suffocate yeah our our core our spirit so you need to remove and clean and clean and clean so the light comes out and so you know you can s the light comes out or the light comes in does not matter this and so as as you you you clean yourself you know of all of that the lies com out and what does a light do it illuminates something else that you need to purify and then it it it it put light on something else and on something else and on something else yeah you know and so that's the the process and little by little you purify your being and and you get closer and closer and closer to your to yourself to your true self you know and then yeah and then I don't know we see But but so and every time you do that life gets a little bit better for you I usually put healing spirituality Blockages together like I use that a lot my whole platform is about healing and spirituality healing spirituality especially emotional healing so purification has to do with that so you're speaking of blockages right anything that's in the way yes all the blockage and we all have blockage a lot of blockage you know so you have to crumble the block break the barrier cut the wrong you know you got to and you know you almost need to visualize it you know say oh you know I'm that feeling that hatred that resentment I I purify it you know and so you will and it works try it it works you know and then all of a sudden that resentment you had is gone is gone because it left your consciousness it's not there anymore so because it's not there it's not going to create more negative energy you know so it's uh it's it just never ends it does Ian maybe it ends but I don't know I don't see I don't think it ends when you are here after when you you pass on the other side I don't know you know but I think as long as you are here you you you have a some sort of process you know right and uh if if what they say is true that you are only a dream or you know only a projection of an experience that your spirit wants to live well then let's uh let's tell your spirit to create the nice experience you know amazing when you started to talk Wrong about purification you mentioned a phrase you said and I did some wrong things in my life and you use that that term wrong the word wrong but I love the way you said it before you said is actually not the wrong way but the longer way to truth or the longer way to God yeah I like that yeah because you see when I say I did the wrong thing is is not really true I I don't did not do the wrong thing because at the time I didn't not know better right you know so even even like emotion okay so you know let's say that you have a lot of resentment and anger and all of that and so I say well you know that's wrong because those but it's not really wrong is not the right word because that's that's what you have and that's what you need to to deal with so it cannot be different until you address it so nothing you know when you think about it nothing is wrong it's just where you are at the moment right you see that message is one that resonates with me Fear like to the core that's really I'm a student of Vidant as you know adite Vidant and that's exactly although they do because it's a religion so they do talk a lot about spiritual practices you know the idea that if you do because the law of this life this physical reality is cause and effect so let's say if I drink something that's not good for the body of course something will happen right the body will respond to it and I'll get sick and all that so it's cause and effect we can't really run or Escape that law it's a law from this reality nature the natural world how do you see this idea of fear because one is kind of unblocking all these the trauma from the past and all the Imp negative imprints in the body mind which we the way we have been brought up is of course we would have them so one is doing that but how do we kind of stop this fear you know this useless fear of not doing certain things I don't want to eat this food because bad I don't want to talk about this because it's bad I don't want to even hear about this because it's not good you know we are afraid of so many things well sometime fear is good you know because uh yeah uh you know maybe about eating something maybe it's good you fear to eat bad meat because it can kill you you know so I would not call it fear the things sometime we fear because we have a lot of uh so fear can be good you you have to understand you know some if sometime it can save your life because you're not going to do something and that that that was good but you know we are fearful because Society put that in our mind you know you you you put the TV on and most of the advertisement is from one sickness or another so then of course you fear say oh my God I'm going to get sick and you know what I'm saying so a lot of fear is is brought in by Society you know uh that's true and so they are not real and and then you know then you have the emotional fear that you you fear you're not good enough you you you fear you're not going to achieve anything you you fear that your met is is not uh is not uh faithful to you all kind of fear and so we always go back that you need to go within and find your core because once you find your core and the closest you are to to it your core your spirit God whatever you want to call it then the less you fear because there is nothing to fear you you know what I'm saying so whatever subject we go to and with it always to me it always go back to the essential right go back within and find your core find who you are and express it in the best possible way for you and and in your world yes see that's one that of course because in my mind is already Love Peace Wisdom trained to kind of look at this reality in this way love peace wisdom anything it's almost as if I'm looking from the spiritual mind this the mind has trained to become more spiritualized so I love those Concepts I'm very attracted to them per se something it means attracted to them but then the other side is that I know the Consciousness God is already pure so there's no need to do anything to be concerned of anything to like you said to try to help anybody or do this and that in the hope that something better will come that we be happier someday or all that so it's sounds like a paradox in way but it's really not right jasine we are just kind of if this is a dreamlike reality we just making making the best dream we can make out of it but it's not that we have to and it's not that we are judging people who don't well hopefully not but you know you know to to get the to be the level of being non-judgmental that's that's difficult because you know we tend to judge other people but then you know when when you are when you if if you in order not to be judgmental of other you have to be judge not judgmental of yourself and that's really difficult you know so again you know go within always it goes back to you and the moment you are able to love yourself in your in your um completely in your wholeness then of course you're going to do that with other but until you do that you are going to be judgmental yeah you know you are going to love or love half or you know whatever we call love it's not always love it's it's a big word so to me we always go back to the beginning always go back to the beginning you know and observe yourself observe your relationship you know you be observant and then learn and adjust you know right I kind of um like Destiny that idea as a concept that we already predestined to something here it makes sense like I could I don't think I could become let's say a pilot that's something I never thought about my life I don't like heights and where I come from with my background for this body mind the background here I could never even think about it becoming a pilot so if I did it one of these days thought oh maybe I can just I'm going to learn how to that would that would be very fresh I wouldn't say strange you know I can't judge that but it would be very different to it's almost like I can feel it that there's a destiny happening here that's something that I can't really stop but because I love the idea too of healing spirituality that's why I keep doing these things this podcast this conversation the books that I write the people that I meet what it's all about that so it's it feels like a destiny to me do you have that feeling too that you're just kind of um flowing already with life as life itself I think that everybody Destiny at some level is the same everybody Destiny is to Noti self who said that Jesus right not I myself that's our destiny how we going to get there that's your individuality then you have your persona your personality we all have a different personality and that going to affect how we reach our destiny and I don't think except except for that you know that we need to find ourself I don't think the rest is written really we can change it we can you know we change it we can sometime you know we are like the painter in front of the white canvas and we can paint it differently you know that's that's the journey right that's the journey now you know like some people they they born with in ingr Talent you know and uh so I think that probably part of your past part of of your spiritual DNA whatever you acquire maybe in past life you know you can apply more now in that life you know like so maybe you you have no you never fly a plane before so you have no desire but maybe this life say oh why don't I go and fly a plane that sounds like fun and your spirit is like yeah why not well why not because I'm afraid of he so so they say oh well then we have to deal with fear ah yeah right a you think about that so you know uh and and and and when s you know also something about spirituality people people should not take themselves so seriously you know what I'm saying it's like enjoy life enjoy life you know enjoy the moment and when you learn something be excited and and embrace it but have fun you know have fun with your life uh you know yes yeah you see I said that to you in the beginning of this conversation Being Spontaneous before we recorded I love how we spontaneous you are I just interviewed somebody recently that his website's called you know his whole work is about his spontaneous presence you know being in the moment being true to what is true to you and just kind of flowing with it flowing with life with Moment by moment you know just being spontaneous that's how I feel about you there's something in you that's so spontaneous you know just it's here and it's doing what it's supposed to do in this moment but it's there's a lot of wisdom spiritual wisdom there that you said you're not even aware of it which is interesting too to me that's how much we know that Vidant is right when they say we can't find a self you know that centered self we are life itself we are God itself so there's no really separation between you and God yes but remember it's very nice to say that and true or not true whatever but how do you behave in your life because I have known people who believe that who say that we meditate to that and then you know they treat people maybe not in a very low well you know what I'm saying so how do you apply that to your life because if not the value is minimized yes so is is it's one thing to have that understanding that awareness that we are one how do you apply it to life and and the way you're going to apply it to life is in the in the manner you're going go within and know yourself and be observant take the time take the time to leave yeah yes take the time to be take the time to reflect look reflect put yourself in the other person shoes you know you it's it's a lot it's a lot you have to do not just believe oh we are one and God is with me I'm within God that's very good that's very good but on Earth is not enough oh I see especially in society we Belief vs Knowing live in communities right so we don't want it to just kind of oh you know that's yeah I absolutely get the point but I think that that's the difference between a belief system believing something and knowing something realizing something as you said beautifully I love the word realizing because not something that we did know we do know that we just goes back we realize something that's already here yeah then you forget about it it's forget about it that's just that's just who you are I think that's the difference Joseline between belief system when people you know there's a lot of people who say that I believe that we are one you see they even use the word belief and I think belief they are not really they're not solid as we know they can change and you know they fluctuate in intensity one day I believe a little less a little more so but knowing in realizing something it's completely different is what I think even in my in my book I say something like that I say you know once you go within and you you don't believe in God anymore you know God so people say what do you mean you know God where you know it means you you know it it's in your belly it's in your heart it's physical it's in your cell you just know it yeah and that's it and then you don't need to think about it anymore it's there it's there forever yeah that's it there's We are not God something that I think he it was in vant somebody said I think it is probably vant know knowing yourself is to know God know yourself and you know God yes because we always go back to the same if we all come from that same energy we are a little piece of God and so you know it's all it's all the same but you cannot go and say well I am God I have the truth I know everything no you know what I'm saying uh uh it's like this is a a lot of spiritual Master have said that or maybe one and I don't know who it is I don't know but that's not don't come from me they say you know we are like the the the the ocean and and the drop of one drop of water of the ocean right so we are one drop of water so we are not the full of ocean but without each drop there is no ocean right so so that's I always thought that was a very beautiful V visualization and and so that's that's what we are we are not God you know though we are a little piece of it tiny tiny tiny right right and without and so we are we are part of it all everything everything is part of it the computer I'm talking to you now on the water the sun everything is part of it yes that's it h what a beautiful way of ending the conversation too right the hole is in the parts and the parts in the ho so you can't separate the whole from the parts they they're just one but you can't believe you are the whole either you yes that would be the the the the Persona the ego the ego believe the ego believe is everything no no is's not everything yes do you know that Buddha he he was in the flow once he realized Buddha the truth he was in the flow so he was not afraid of anything there's no fear anymore so he's not even thinking fear there's no mind that mind was not there anymore so he ate everything that people gave it to him so he was not really interested in choosing anything anymore there's no choosing so people would come and give him food he would eat whatever you gave to him give be meat whatever he's not trying to be a vegetarian being right being correct or anything like that and somebody gave him something a rotten something you know food that was not good I think was pork actually and he died from it I don't know if you knew about that but that's how he died no I did not know about that I did not know yeah that's how Buddha died I don't forget that when it comes to fear I always go back to that to his life the way he died too so he ate that food that somebody gave it to him because he was not choosing he was not there to choose anything and then he died from it and I think Jesus too might be a good he might be of course he is a beautiful example of that of giving you know the body mind to you know to this to letting go of that and just um knowing that he was one with God so he was not really concerned about the body anymore or suffering or losing the body the way he did yeah well but you know maybe at the end his Spirit took over and remove the pain from the body but still you know to to think that he did not suffer I don't know that very true when I was in Israel last year we went to a place don't ask me I forgot the name but it was supposed to be the the cell where Jesus uh spent the night before you know uh yeah they they took him with the cross and all of that and so it was a cell you know and uh they were some o like I don't know if he if if they meant that he was uh you know attached to the hook hook something like that yeah and you know I was there and imagine this man you know I think I think to he was suffering I think it was hard you know maybe he agreed to to do that I we don't know but uh yeah I think he suffer now I think that when he was in the cross of fully you know the spirit took over and the you know he was not suffering anymore but um I remember looking at that cell and feeling the pain you know yes yeah and for budha I I don't know maybe if figure you know I'm done oh yeah probably I too you know I I I we don't know but you know in the end they had he had a body too and you know when I I went to Laos and in Laos the you know uh I don't know at 2: or 3 in the morning I forgot the time but during the night um they all come out with a little bowl and the people of the of the town of the village they they put food you know they put food and and they they work all of them and and people put food and so I went and I you know I did the same you you buy rice and yeah whatever I forgot you know and I'm thinking my God you know they they they go with a bowl and people you don't know how clean their hands are you know and they just put that food like that and all mixed up food and that's what they eat every day every day every day every day you know and so I don't know if it's very hygienic to be honest but you know they they they live like that and they survive so the body also adapts you know the body maybe adapt and uh it's an experience yeah people don't talk about death that much uh but you see them most of us are living in a way that it's pretty clear that we afraid to die you know the supplements we take we work out we try to sleep right we do this and that we clean ourselves so it seems like we always which is natural I understand especially if we tap into the mind and know the mind that's connected the body survival mechanism it's really can take over actually as you know it has taken over where people now living for the body and for the mind and protecting them emotionally physically so there's a lot of protections going on a lot of fighting and I I just wonder if you know we lost all that and we are just kind of um I mean we can't lose completely but if we loseing nap enough you know to just flow with it and even if we lose the body it's okay because we know we never die we know we Are Spiritual Beings yeah but you you don't want to right now you are in a body you know so first the body doesn't want to die the body is having a good time I don't want to die you nobody wants to you know there is a difference between be afraid of dying and wanting to die you know like some people they get to a point where they want to die they say you know I'm done I I want to die and that's okay too you know but I think it's good to take care of your body that doesn't mean you want to to leave as long as you have to live and hopefully to live well you know and and when you think your journey is completed then maybe subconsciously or at some level you maybe you say okay now it's time to go and you know maybe like Buddha you you eat something bad and then oh my God she eat that and she Di yes you know we we don't know the mystery of that I I think it's um it's it it it's sad in a way that we don't talk about this because it is not you know it's not final it's like I see a friend well we don't know what happened maybe it's a lot of fun once we go over we have a lot of fun I think it would be nice if there was this approach a bit lighter about dying you know and people not be afraid to to die because it's you know of course it can be scary because you Rego your your personality all of that they don't want to die they the ey you know the the me not the ey of I am but the me of me you don't want to die you know Valeria or JN Jin doesn't want to die you know now my spirit might know that don't worry about it you'll come back you know yeah but just in that way no I'm enjoying you know so I think it would be nice if there was a different approach uh to it because in the end we we all die but I think as long as we are in the body uh hopefully you know the most healthy we can remain you know then it's uh it's very good you know and because the body is part of the experience especially if we don't know the truth yet we not have not realized right that we are one with life itself you know finding that truth that we talked about the greater truth yeah but you know like you have people they don't have this belief but they believe in God and and and they believe that after death they going go to paradise and and they going to see their husband or their uncle or whoever they they lost along the way you know those are different belief but they have value to them and and so to some people that also take the fear of death away because that's true you know it's like oh I'm going to die now and they're going to meet all the loved ones and all of that now whether that is true or not I don't know nobody knows exactly what happened but um so you know right but that the underlying knowing there is that they never die if they think that the loved ones who passed before they still somewhere here so that they have that that knowing I don't die me you know at some level most people do believe on some sort of after some people know but most people do because if you think about it yeah to sustain us on life we need to believe in something you know it might not be what you believe might not be what I believe or whatever but we need to believe in something because if not like what are we doing why are we here so and it help us and you know um but you know I'm not ready to die I tell you that much ah interesting yeah that's fascinating yes J I feel the same way yeah no fear of that yeah you know I'm very I I hope I can stay as long as possible and you know let's see yeah that's really to me the that's the essential truth when you know that then all fear fears dissolve and you just give yourself back to life or back to God so you just you know you're always there anyway and that's what you call True Perfection see in the the passage that you sent to me it talked a lot about the road to Perfection manifesting True Perfection to me if there is something called Perfection then it will be that that state knowing that you are one with with God it's almost like being held by a mother she never really let you go it's always there you know I kind of forgot in what uh context I I say that it doesn't matter oh yeah I think Perfection you know it's a big word uh you know what what is perfection again I don't remember the context all all of that so maybe but you know I I I I don't know that we are meant to to reach Perfection I I think we are meant to as I said to reach to be the best we can do in the moment and then you know because then yeah you can go deeper into the spirituality and and uh you know as you say learn about Oneness learn about light learn about energy and all of that you know because that's beautiful and to understand that and believe in that help you again help you go within and become your own self to me it always come back to that no matter which way I look you always come back to that but you know on the other I'm very excited when I I learn somebody new some not somebody something new you know like remember when I told you that what I find fascinating now is that science is meeting you know spirituality like physic is meeting metaphysic and they stop to have you know proof that's fascinating yeah you know that's fascinating when when you you you study mythology or or or or or Egypt you know it's fascinating all those things all of that is beautiful and fascinating but in the end you still have to go with it yeah yes that's what you're talking exactly what you you're alluring to So True Perfection has to do with the alignment with the greater power of knowing oneself so the message was exactly that so you always speaking about the same thing it's interesting like the message what you have experienced it yourself and then from that truth you're just passing on it just goes back to that because it's something that you know it's not something that you believe that's it that's it for me that that's it which is wonderful yeah you know that that's my message and and I know I told you before it's not particularly the message people want to hear because they want to hear that do ABC and you're going to be you know Wonderful no is to me it's not true that's my message and you know now that's I said the message and people maybe put a little CD or little SE there but that's is what you say I know that for sure yes yes yes yes a billion times oh God Joseline I would talk to you forever as you know that's the reason why I love these conversations with you exactly for that reason because it resonates with my heart it's very clear to me that you know something here knows I don't know how I mean we you said beautifully we all know anyway we just have to remember have to realize it it's so true and what you said about science yes one of the things that science have like for age now in ways it's not new it's very it's basic everything's interconnected there's no separation no and and they can prove it now they can prove it isn't that exciting I think it's super exciting yeah you know oh gosh Joseline we got to talk about your second book in the next time we meet because you're writing a new book I know do you have the work in title well you know is what I told you I was and and now is the same title except the the subtitle is further into the journey right I mean you know things can change the things can change but right now and and uh so because the message is the same it's just from a different point of view and maybe with a little bit more personal uh experience that I did not share in the first right wonderful so let me know when this is out of course we'll be having a conversation about it probably so I'll leave it at that your website is jan.com so I'll have that and the podcast and the notes the video notes Instagram at jeline Ru author that's another one I'll have everything there ready for everyone is clickable so thank you so much again for your presence and we'll talk soon we'll definitely be in touch again bye okay bye Valeria bye bye e [Music] [Music] [Music] for [Music] [Music] [Music]