and a shock new report by the center for migration control reveals that foreign born Nationals are disproportionately behind the country's increasing number of arrests in 2023 there was one arrest of a British national per 94 people however for migrants this rate surges to one in7 the home office has recently been criticized for refusing to provide data on the personalities of those arrested former Minister Neil O'Brien Tory leadership Contender Robert genrich and political commentator professor Matthew Goodwin have all railed against this so-called data desert well now we do have some figures and what do they tell us I'm delighted to welcome political commentator Jess Gil Jess really good to have you on the show for the first time what's your reaction to these new figures yeah it's really not surprising considering whenever a crime is reported they seem miss out the fact of the ethnicity of the person and seem to cover that up completely so it is it really isn't surprising but I'm really upset that it has taken an independent research body rather than the government being open about these statistics it's ridiculous by using someone's migration status in relation to crime statistics isn't that racial profiling and isn't that a problem I don't think it's a problem I think it's just the truth these are just facts and if there's a dis proportionate amount of people committing crime I think that's just how it is and I think people need to be aware of it the reality is that it isn't just a certain ethnicity or a certain race it's not racist to say so I think it's more important that people are aware that the type of people we're bringing over aren't the best of the people in their country and it is causing crime which is in effect disproportionately affecting the taxpayer and Jess why is migrant crime proportionally higher do you think oh I'm not too sure on that one in all honesty I think it's a wave of factors I I think maybe it's the culture around it maybe it's the type of people we're bringing in the fact that we're not having a good standard of the type of people we're bringing in and so they're allowed to just take advantage of our benefit system and off our for example the Health and Social visa and that we've had such low standards that anyone can take advantage of it could it be that migrant crime is higher because migrants are treated very badly by our society no I don't think so considering the fact that everything in our media is to do with that it is hard to say that they're treated badly when they're weling with open arms and giv benefits and giv all these perks for example with the visas with the Health and Social visas instead of training up British born people to fill these roles the government over the past decade has just imported hundreds of thousands of people Jess why do you think so much of the media are reluctant to cover stories like this and why aren't we getting this kind kind of data from central government I think because that they're afraid of the truth and it really debunks them their conceptions um I think the government again it would prove that multiculturalism has been a failure and the fact that you can't have all these cultures come together and there won't be any problems it's just has turned out not to be true and that's why they don't want to face the fact because they're not going to admit they've been wrong over the past few years Jess if Prime is higher among foreign born Nationals how do we tackle the problem I think if crime well for one I don't think any foreign born National should be in a UK prison I think just deports them all quite frankly why should the UK taxpayer have to pay for that I think that's ridiculous and just having a Sero tolerance policy towards it in all honesty I think we need to focus more on the actual victims here which are the people who have been impacted by crime by both UK and foreign born um criminals and I think that's the real problem and the fact that we're just letting them off with a slap on the wrist is is quite ridiculous regardless of what skin coloris is I think we need a colorblind system when it comes to that absolutely and Jess is there a danger of characterizing all migrants as criminals rather than the positive contribution that most make um well I think in the UK uh at the moment migrants on average haven't been making a positive contribution in terms of taxes in terms of the culture and in terms of crime we've seen multiculturalism and mass immigration fail again but I will add that it isn't all immigrants I don't think it it's good to generalize but at the same time you know we shouldn't rush over these facts just because it might hurt some people's feelings indeed uh listen you're an incredibly articulate political commentator it's not Escape my attention that you're pretty young um do you feel an outlier within your sort of uh demographic about being concerned on these issues I think a lot of people are trying to keep their head in the sand with these issues um I've I'm at King's College London and almost half of the students it feels like are international students who just you know isolate themselves of away from the native population and some of them don't speak that well of English and it creates this cultural barrier but when I bring it up to some of my classmates and friends they just don't see as an issue and it's it's sad because it is an issue and I think people need to wake up but I think they are starting to wake up because when you go around the streets um like for the recent for the past few times I've had conversations with my young female friends about cat calling and sexual harassment it hasn't been people who have been born in the UK and the sad reality is you can't ignore those facts indeed uh Katherine burble Singh Britain's strictest head teacher of course she's responsible for the very successful School uh Michaela Community School which has an intake of Bame children she gets them into ox oxf for and Cambridge and she said that multiculturalism can work but it's going to take a lot of effort and a lot of resource um is the genie out of the lamp now can we bring together our divided Society do you think I mean I wouldn't like a country modeled on her type of school considering she's the most strictest head teacher would you want some weirdo Forest he in state with that I think if that's the price you have to pay if you need an authoritarian state if you need this very strict top down policy to enforce multiculturalism I don't think that's something we have to we have we should do I don't think that's a price we should be willing to pay for that yes so briefly Jess do you see attitudes towards Mass migration changing in the years ahead I think people have to face up with it the reality is that there are places in the UK which are nogo areas especially for the middle class who have a lot of political leverage they aren't able to avoid us anymore and when I've spoken to my friends and the people around me it is an uncomfortable truth that they have to face up to but at the end of the day when crime increases when our communities no longer feel like British communities that is something we have to face up to Jess it's been a real treat to have you on the show your first appearance first of many I hope my thanks to political commentator and broadcaster Jess Gil your reaction GB newws your can we start David with this rather shocking story in the times and the telegraph uh saki starma breached rules over clothes that donor gave his wife is this a scandal that's going to grow do you think it's adding to the impression that already exists after a very short time that the this labor government is sleazy um why was Lord Ali buying clothes from saki's wife it's a rather odd thing for one man to do to another's wife if they're not having an affair which um I would hope there's no suggestion of here um and why did he have a a pass for Downing Street very very access all areas very few which we understand he no longer has very very few people ever have the certainly not donors usually it's that was rather odd I think there's a growing sense in Westminster uh that there are the the the Trope always used to be that when it comes to scandals the labor party has money scandals because they don't have enough of it the Tories have sex scandals because they have too much of it and I think this is just reinforcing that old perception and it's unfortunate although it is exquisitly funny because sakir st's labor party is one of the most Pious and one of the most morally High grounded uh I can remember at least in the way portrays itself and to see it fall so low so quickly is for a conservative really very amusing most definitely and of course there have been allegations about political appointees within the Civil Service as well yes indeed and the and again donors having access donors being given these positions it all seems to point to me to a uh to a government that spent a great deal of its time in opposition telling the Tories how bad and Sleazy and morally defunct they were while at the same time copying much of that behavior well K sta played the moral High Ground when when it came to party gate and the pandemic and lots of other issues as leader of the opposition now he's prime minister he looks to be a man in a glass house throwing stones he he reminds me of a 1980s job center manager right that's the that's that's the vibe in other words someone that can't help you yeah well somebody somebody who stands behind the glass and sort of um tells you off and and tells you you know all the things that you can't have and you know they he's he he's Pious he's Bure bureaucratic um he's not warm and I think this you know imagine what people out in the country are now thinking you know they are worrying about win the winter about heating especially pensioners they're worrying about the cost of living and this man is having clothes bought for him and so is his wife the Optics are terrible how do they not know this there you go can this be defended no I don't think it can um I'm with you Alisa £1,000 pensions are worse off is the other headline we've just read right yeah And1 18,000 for Asos clothes I didn't know they cost that muchly I thought you could get like quite a bundle with 50 Quid couldn't you but I mean1 18,000 come on this is this is really really bad and also begs the question like those who fund our politicians how much of a say are they getting in the way that the country is being run and I've always had a problem with that it's it's how much much are they influencing the way the country's been run well indeed um so uh Ali Lord Ali wahed Ali is the former chairman of Asos his wealth Lisa is estimated at200 million he's st's biggest donor this year he's given the labor leader £185,000 for work clothes and new glasses and he spent £20,000 on accommodation for starma during the election why has starma let this happen I think he he because he is so Pious he is the he is the Vicor that stands in the you know on the pull pit and sort of preaches down he clearly has no self reference you know he doesn't and he's obviously very very disconnected to the British public he clearly is because in you know in 8 to 10 weeks he's gone from a man that won a massive majority to probably the most hated man in the Country David you've got a good knowledge of the inner workings of Parliament uh these clothes the clothes that starma was gifted were declared uh but it's understood that he omitted to uh submit details of of a wardrobe budget for his wife how serious could this be if it's upheld well he'll certainly come in for sensia for it because failing to declare something in the register of members interests within the time allocated uh or demanded by the independent parliamentary standards Authority is a serious breach um I must say having a look at the photograph on the front of the paper I can't really see that s's clothes are any better now than they were before so if I were a lord early I'd want some money back um and I I Bross is good enough well it certainly is for him I I come back to this point why why does Lady starma need Lord Aly to buy her clothes can c not do it can she not do it it seems very odd indeed well I wonder I suppose she's a public figure too perhaps she deserves a budget so that she can okay i' buy that she buy she deserves a budg but this isn't the US she's not the first lady yeah all you got to do is is all she had to do is this all he had to do is declare it and what makes me angry is because maybe it's just me I I don't like beholding to someone so if somebody suddenly wanted to buy me a lot of clothes or you know I mean you know guys for dinner back in the day they'd expect something return but it's like why why are you accepting these gifts I mean what kind of what kind of moral compass do you have to just willing like okay I'm going to get this accommodation for you know thousands of pounds my wife's going to get these clothes for thousands of pounds I don't I don't it doesn't make me trust him as an individual because I accomodation was during the election campaign which you know it is an expensive due to stand for election in this country and it's perfectly normal for political donors to stand those sorts of expenses that said K is a multi-millionaire isn't for well so it is said but I'm not sure that that there's any demonstration that that's a fact he has a house in London which itself is probably worth a couple of million but that's locked up in the property yes he was DPP and therefore earned a professional salary but he leads an expensive life as all politicians do not a cheap thing because Public Service in this country is really poorly REM remunerated if you look at what an MP has PID but you I'm sorry he can't whine when he's just removed pensioners heating oh no he's a hypoc look I'm not defending him he's a hypocrite it it is a hypocritical thing to do but you know what is really poorly REM remunerated remunerated in this country working in warehouses like Asos that is very yes but they're not running the country so it's it's sort of apples and oranges is not really I mean you know of course it is you can't say that the prime minister of the g7's fifth biggest economy is in any way comparable in his remuneration to someone packing boxes in a warehouse It's a fasile comparison no well what I'm saying is that with Lord Ali who is now buying his clothes and he's accepting those clothes for I don't know why you know at the same time there are hundreds of thousands of people in this country who work for these warehouses and I live in an area that is purposely been been zoned as low skill and low paid and they have very very dodgy contracts that come up and that come in and out I don't think you would have thought of any of that to be honest I think it was just the that's the Optics in the country the Optics I agree with you the Optics don't look good that's the Optics Optics in reality are often at Divergence I don't know about you I'd rather like the Prime Minister when he's going to meet the president of the United States to look like a serious figure and if that means that he has to go to S row and have Lord ell get him a couple of Suits a price worth he still I mean I don't agree with half the stuff he has done in America I don't think he is working in our interest so I mean I don't think the way he looks the man the way he dress the way he dresses I don't think that makes any relevance as long as he's obvious you don't want someone like Michael fur I mean he wasy yeah it was bad uh but at the same time we're talking about this gift of clothes for no reason that has not been declared all would declare it does it demonstrate a poor political judgment on the part of starma to accept this gift for a wardrobe as you said that he's spoken out about Tory SLE does it tell us that he's got I don't know a political blind spot perhaps well what you've got to remember is the conservatives of they've never they you know they've said who they they represent they've always represented you know the party of business the labor party have not done that they have always said they are well they came out of the working class and the trade unions now they can't have it both ways they can't tell the working class of Britain or working people of Britain that they are with them and then at the same time take Gifts of clothing because it doesn't it's but the labor party has always done this I beon lived in house in Eaton Square and had a Rolls-Royce with a driver provided by labor doners you know it's it's nothing new for Labour party politicians to act in a hypocritical manner in relation to personal wealth and remuneration but don't you think it was crazy as Arma to accept a gift of 20,000 for clothes I mean how can you spend 20,000 on suits um I can tell you that the director of public prosecutions in 2021 was paid £215,000 so don't you think that starma could stretch to a few of his own marks and Spencer I think your point is correct I think your point is correct that it shows that he has poor political judgment um and again I come back to the fact that we are only two months into this government and every week there is a new Financial Scandal I think unless CIA finds a way of nixing all of this he's that is going to be the lasting perception of his government that they would dodgy when it came to money