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the second topic I want to get to with you Paul and I want to be delicate with how I say this and I put it out on social media last night there was there was obviously great response to it because of who the team is I don't think Notre Dame's loss to Northern Illinois was a fatal blow but I think it was pretty damn close for them this year with a schedule that was incredibly favorable to go to the college football playoff after beating a week ago they go and lose to Northern Illinois first time Notre name in the history of its program is lost to a Mac team that is not that is that's gonna get real chilly real quick in Notre Dame yeah no I'm I'm not as as fatalistic about them as I am let's say Michigan but again totally different situation yeah um because the path is different uh but you was it Marshall last year the year before they lost there's been a marshall incident uh there's been a three and n Stanford incident there there's a lot of these that and I think there were two things motivating Notre Dame fans last week that they went to college station which we all made it into something that it was not uh it's a tough place to play but not not when the the the other side is is is is struggling and I think the LSU loss the Brian Kelly uh former girlfriend uh Obsession still exists so there there was a lot of ammunition for Irish fans I I think that they they just I don't their schedule is so tricky that they don't they don't have the normal hey SEC you can Big T I don't it depends on I mean if they lost another game it really depends on who it is uh but they haven't proven anything yet because because A&M is just a you know they're an eight and4 team so that is not going to get you very far when that committee starts meeting yeah and look Galloway and I argued about this on TV briefly and then uh off air and even Mullen kind of got involved in it I don't think Notre Dame with this loss now in their resume let's say they go 11- one okay 10 and two they're done you can't you can't justify that but 11- one against a 10-2 SEC team with a loss on your resume to Northern Illinois whatever Northern Illinois goes on to win the mat I I just don't know that you can get through because I believe Notre Dame still got a little asteris next to them anyway that the committee would rather than be in a conference because you got to evaluate them differently but if I'm going off memory Florida State's on their schedule USC's on their schedule USC appears to be a legitimate team I just don't know that if you're Notre Dame you can sit and justify this thing come end November with what you did week one I just not a good look especially if they're being compared to someone who's lost a conference game uh yeah that would just be a disqual so I mean they're they're in a really tricky spot uh I I I mean we again we overreact week one uh week two we we come come back to reality and and you know they're in the back of the they're in the back of the conversation now and by the way I love Marcus Freeman the energy he brings to Notre Dame he's a really really good recruiter so look he's gonna understand and I think he he does because he's been at Notre Dame long enough now he's going to understand that these UPS they awake The Echoes probably a little bit more than you want because everyone in Notre Dame with the schedule in last week was feeling Skyhigh you you brought it up and that was the next place I was going that's the chemistry Paul and I have after a decade plus of of of doing this together Michigan I always feel like on this show and others that I have to preface comments that I'm about to make and I'll preface it here Michigan you had a national championship run with Jim Harbaugh you won three consecutive Big 10 championships went to three consecutive college football playoffs culminating in what you brought him in to do last year which was win a National Championship I am saying all of that because you had the success that you craved for so long but my biggest pet peeve go back to last week's show we'll put it Forward here my biggest pet peeve in football is when we look at rankings in the new year and we don't look at the program at where it stands as a whole anyone with eyes could have told you offensive lineman three or so when went off to the NFL Blake Kor went off to the NFL JJ McCarthy went off to the NFL Jim Harbaugh and the staff went off to the NFL sanctions stayed players that probably me the quarterback not enough guys stayed to can try to convince people that Michigan is a top 10 team is just absolutely insane and Texas went in there yesterday I like you know what I know the ranking that's attached to them that's not a top 10 team they're not even a top 25 team at this point and it's going get rough from Michigan until they stabilize all of the departures and everything going on around them we'll catch you later Michigan we'll see you next year uh I mean they're I mean they they can salvage the season but they're not going to be uh in the conversation other than with more NCAA news that's the only way Michigan becomes top of mind and it's just not only demoralizing but uh you just given fuel to all your enemies I happened to be uh uh in a lounge yesterday in an airport watching the game with a couple of Ohio State fans and uh I I I don't need to complete the sentence I mean they I it it was 3:30 in the afternoon and they were they were sipping down doubles which by the way and that's why I I did the preface because Paul I think that's okay it's not gonna be okay for Michigan people but you you you got your National Championship you did well you had a good run if Jim Harbaugh still there you're probably finding your way to sustain your spot among the Nations Delite but when you really dive into this and you look at all of the departures that's just tough to do much less a coach that's never been a head coach before there's there was there was I think there were too many unfair expectations placed on Michigan because we looked at them as national champions We slapped the ranking on them and we said hey they're they going to be the the same team they're making the playoff in no way was that going to happen none down a good times staring down the CL some Hallelujah