Intro hello and welcome to another episode of the knock on podcast brought to you by zero tackle and Dan it is been a week of rugby league normally we will record on a Tuesday and everything will happen on a Wednesday but tonight the Rugby League Gods have delivered to us let's start you tell me where we're starting well we're going to start with the breaking news now just to blow the illusion here we're actually recording an hour later than usual because waiting for these two things to simmer Jason Demetrio has been released of his duties which is the friendly way saying he was Jason Demetriou Ousted sacked earlier tonight as we record this Tuesday night by the south Sydney board took two meetings two board meetings to decide yeah it was a hung jury in the first one it was like 50% said keep him 50% said sack him and then it was kind of like the 50 % who said keep him sobered up and went ah we're just taking the Mickey before let's sack him um look they had no choice man they had no choice like and this is this is a guy who has been an assistant coach for years like you know following Bennett around and you know you just have a look at his resume but it just looked like a coach who perhaps didn't take the right the right job for him on his first job and we've seen it happen you know SEO going on to Brisbane after you know he did so well at the rabitos and all this kind of stuff here like I just I kind of think that he maybe needed to wait and and just get a few more runs on the board as as a reserve grade coach because when you take over South Sydney you are taking over a club who expects to be in the finals and wants to be competing for premierships and can lure players to the club by saying we make prelims we make Grand finals you know we want to be a club full of success and lately it's been we're just they're going backwards you know they missed the finals last year they look like they're in a they shouldn't be in a spoon battle um and I think by the end of the year they probably won't be um but yeah it's look they need to do something they've replaced him with Ben Hornby David ferer has obviously come in there as as well um there was uh a little bit of uh Twitter Banting on around saying that Paul McGregor was coming on board as well that would just be a horrendous decision but this is a free ride for Ben horby now he's got 16 weeks to impress them because you know Wayne Bennett's off contract um and you know they're going to want to bring him back but let's let's just talk about demitro at the moment this just it looked like a club that went from absolutely loving him and the players absolutely loved him and they still come out and say they love him but it just they may love him but it looked like they didn't want to play for him anymore let's be honest the writing was on the wall the second Sam Burgess came out and said what he did last year yeah because ultimately approved the Burgess was 100% spot on and they back the wrong horse demitro is a rookie coach you know I think he was in his second full year or or third at the most and he's got a player like the TR Mitchell who is arguably the biggest influence in rugby league not the best player not the biggest name but he's right up there top three and everything Cody Walker you know Damen cook he's walked into a side of these established rep superstars who are going to say come here mate actually this is what I think we should do what are you going to do as a rookie coach go know lron Mitchell who's won origins of grand finals go sit down no Damen cook who's won the same plusa Beach sprinting Championship go over there it's just he was on a hiding to nothing and this has been this is it's it's three weeks too long he should he should have gone before the canala game cuz when they came out and the rumors started saying that a loss will lead to him gone he was gone there was no coming back for that it's like the dreaded you have full support of the board on Championship or Football manager whatever they call it now you know you're GIS the absolute Sideshow of nonsense that's come through couple weeks ago U tongue and Chek suggested that they wouldn't bring an assistant coach in or a new coach until after they got the two losses to Melbourne and penth out of the way SE fans are starting to say the same thing in a very serious tone which says to me SE Sydney who are a proud Club know they're going to get bad at by penth that's disgusting areas to your fans that's disgusting to a coach who's coming in and saying we know you can't beat penth we don't want to loss on your record why don't we just for a couple weeks we'll just be there and to string Demetrio on he knew he knew it was done let's be honest he gave a really respectful professional Yesterday by time this drops interview that said I'm going home I'm tired I want to see the family the day is done whether them here tomorrow I don't know he knew it was gone let's let's call a spade a spade the fact that they draged this on they got flogged on Anzac Day they didn't pull the trigger then it you know we we heard the malinga name he was on begging for the role on NRL whatever on Fox Sports and they pivoted from that there was talk that there was a rad in sou and they released the name to try and see who the the leak was coming from that would be hilarious this is a club in chist if that's true my word I think demitro has handled it really well I don't I don't think he's done himself any harm the last couple of weeks a lot of people are going to go and look that was a really hard position to put you in follow Wayne Bennett into a latr Mitchell runs House Sydney Club I think he'd be sweet but the stink is going to be on him for a year or two they put him under awful conditions last month he should say to S I want my full payout and then some and I'll shut up and I'll go away he'll have his assistant role by the end of the year yeah he he he'll end up at another roster he will get another crack as an NRL coach like I honestly just think that he needs to buy his time for the right role looking at him looking at what he's done and what he's achieved and and how he operates I would be thinking like I would try and Jag myself on a contender you know as an assistant coach but I'd have an eye on the Newcastle Job and the minute Adam O'Brien got sacked I'd be putting my hand up for that I I don't think you should jump in jump up for the param role um and I don't think there's too many other roles that he could probably you know he could either look up or down the freeway and go I'm going to wait for Adam O'Brien or Ricky Stewart first one to get sacked up with my hand up completely fair but uh yeah there'll be much more to come as I'm sure the other big news that broke earlier tonight was that dce is free to DCE free to play play found guilty whatever got downgraded c a fine or something Hu two week for the same tackle what do you thoughts right the first the F like the banter that came out of this on Friday night when they did the press conference and dily Cherry Evans laughed and said oh I was just as guilty as huado in this tackle like I maybe I should have been Sid as well and the Judiciary came out and said well thanks for that have two weeks I when I when I stopped laughing on Monday about this situation I actually got really angry um this is a guy 313 games and never sat in front of the Judiciary once you know never not once and they're going to hit him with two we suspension for's let's put it this way for for a nasty tackle right when the tackle first came I thought ol gu was going to get sent off when they showed the replays of it I thought he's definitely going in the bin and you know hle was the only one who was put on report but the anger that I got out of this was they gave him the same grading as gave T Mill and as they gave Lan Galvin as a rookie Lan Galvin had played two games dily Cherry Evans has played 3133 games and there was no discount there was no thought process or anything behind it turn going hey this guy's been like a stward of onfield professionalism and we're going to charge him with the same thing as some disgusting Winger from South Sydney who intentionally tried to hurt someone's leg it didn't sit well with me and I think there needs to be like we the Judiciary is never going to be perfect the match review committe is never going to be perfect but I think there needs to be like discounts of continuous good games if you're if you're 50 games you know suspension for 100 games to 3133 games and this is his first charge at 35 years old something's got to change there there was there was some people that jokingly said he should get to get out a free jail card and you know obviously that that is said tongue and cheek but you kind of feel like it was a minor inent if he' come in and C hanging a blo and you know or or leg hip dropped someone disgustingly or attacked a leg or something have done I could I can understand the two weeks spot on but I mean I didn't I didn't think he was going to be charged full disclosure I thought the what he said was a tongue and cheat sort of thing I've used that too often soor and I thought a might cop a fine then when they see this out for two weeks I was like whoa like uatu took the bullet and as he should it was his fault let's be let's be honest he said it was me I did it you know but you can't blame two of us for the the one tackle I think uatu had to go two weeks seems about right it may be a little bit harsh one week but I'm I'm not going to argue play safety and it was it was a nasty tackle I'm glad Cherry's free to play now has been charged and fined yeah got enough he got right is it wrong though that when they were both looking at two weeks I actually looked at the draw to see if we played mly in the next two weeks absolutely not now we uh we go from a little bit of Luke Keary retires laugh to a very serious uh Luke Ki has retired at the end of the year the my first thought was are the concussions are bad obviously you can't play on cuz I believe he signed two weeks ago a contract extension so this isn't a I've been thinking about this for months and i' I've just gone a year too many sort of thingy we signed for two weeks ago what what do you reom made I I was caught off guard I got to be honest it a little bit longer than two weeks ago he reigned in the preseason for another two years and whilst I don't think like what whilst he's saying it's got nothing to do with the concussions I think he is one bad one away from being pulled up and either having to go to America or sit out of the game for a little bit like that I he's only young he's 32 years old so he's probably you know physically he's probably got like another 3 or four years in the like as we just said da Cherry Evans is 35 years old halfbacks probably can play on a little bit longer than you know most most players can but the head knocks the you know he's got to think of his family he's got young children he's got beautiful wife um he's got his whole life in front of him and there's yeah there's um there's just so much to think of when when you are a player who has had you know multiple concussions and he's not the first and he won't be the last he's Champion he's a three-time Premiership winner he's a CLI Churchill medalist he's been a Del m58 to the year and this is another guy scandals have evaded him he's never you know like daily Cherry Evans I can't remember logging on to n.com to see if Luke K is going to get suspended you're talking about a guy who left his Boyhood club to go and join the biggest rival was probably the most scandalous thing he did and he was an awesome player on his day like Prime and Peak Luke Ki is up there with one of the best you know individual performance of 5'8 AJ on Twitter turned around and said that he's opening 40 minutes of the Melbourne Roosters Grand Final is arguably the best 40 minutes you'll see from an individual player especially at 5'8 he carried his like his halfback could lift his arm he was brilliant he's he's freaky it's such a shame I I said about D fuka last week I'm um I know it's I get a feeling it's been pushed on by by injuries and concussions too and I think when you look at a young family and you think this guy can coach he can commentate he can he can go work at McDonald's who cares but the fact is he's got that choice I I'm glad he's going out on his own terms I don't buy into the rumors that the r has said oh you got to go so you're going to replace they got millions of dollars in the cap they could have moved him on he could have gone to England and made a mozah he could have gone he could have gone anywhere and made a mozah let's be let's be honest it's luk Kiri I I'm glad to see this people players are taking post game in into consideration and retiring earlier than probably they'd like to we've seen a lot of older players you know show symptoms of of some pretty awful stuff and you know as as bad as that is players in this generation are learning from that and it sucks to see a player retire especially one who isn't 35 and you know decided for two years oh look this is this is my last offseason you know the wife and the kids want more time or something as they often joke about but to see him pull up something really call me off gut MH and I mean it certainly makes the Warriors players for the next two seasons I I wrote in my 20 thoughts I wouldn't be shocked to see Joey Manu go maybe I should stay here at the Roost I'm still not ruling that out but if David faf isn't link to the Roosters by the end of the weekend then the Jers aren't doing their jobs oh two quick questions for you two trivia questions on Luke Ki well one's a trivia question one not he's currently on 45 tries for his career does he make 50 before he retires yes you're going to back him in for five tries absolutely awesome you can do it Luke second question Luke Kiri has played for two countries which countries are they oh was one Scotland was it oh I'm going to lock in Scotland or Ireland um Ireland K's an Irish name um and he played for Australia didn't he you are bang on it was Ireland and Australia played in 2018 he played three uh sorry 2022 at the World Cup he played three games for Ireland and in 2018 he played two games for Australia he also played one game for New South Wales as well 63 games for South Sydney and this weekend is his 150th game for the roosters congratulations on aella Career Roosters war chest: who do they target? Luke wishing you all the best now uh I I jumped the gun a little bit mate but the roosters now have a war chest $4 million or something it'll become 8 million in jokes etc etc how worried are you that the roers are just going to poach every player they want not very because that $4 million some of it's already been used for extensions of players some of it's already been used for upgrading players who are development players this year but full-time players next year and some of it's been used on that rugby covert that is coming over as well because he wasn't cheap because he is an established wabby um so I'm you know the if they had $4 million that would mean that the 24 players that they had on average of about $300,000 and you know that's complete nut of crap um I would say that that'd probably be close to two and a half maybe $3 million in salary cap when it's all said and done that they have to spend and I'm not real worried because I went on to zero tackle um which is the best place to go for all the off contract players and aside from KERO and Jack Williams there's nothing but dof contract there very very true that's come out very quickly that next year is going to be rough but if you're a player Agent Terry and you hear that the roers have couple of million let's just's say $2 million aren't you saying oh he's homesick oh he players never been to City yeah he wants to he saw a postcard I I just cannot see a world where David faf is in link with that club maybe by the time this drops well there's there's David Fida and I I'm going to throw Smokey out there as well and say that you are probably going to hear more and more of a certain fullback in Newcastle well almost happened before almost happened before yeah look ponga and the roosters have flirted with each other so much his best mate plays for him now um so that's you know that's if you want cheap likes there's that David feder is another one you're going to get the Aden F Blake situation the Zack LX situation the James Fisher Harris situation so someone who's currently on contract at the moment you know may turn around and go you know what what am I doing here I I can I can just go over there you know um my Caso is hated it param matter maybe he'll go to the roosters like who knows what's going to happen um but yeah look in terms of the off contract players at the moment like if you want Jaden Barrel come get him just don't touch Kayo I know they've turned around and said that they're going to stick with s Smith unless someone come like unless a half comes off contract I can't see anything I you know what maybe throw pong out the window maybe this is the time where they go and free AJ brimson very po look potentially I just Joey Manu is supposedly looking at returning next year they need to keep 500k on the books for that which I think they can do no way especially for Joseph Manu especially if they say oh you come back and play 5'8 s Smith can get you through 15 rounds before you throw Joey man it's a risk but it's Joey man brings you back to the club Tesco's got a year or two left you saw him in at fullback I I'm not worried about the RS put it that way they'll sign whoever they want I wouldn't be shocked to see him go to England you might see say Brody Croft come back or something as a parttime to get him through next year the year after next year as soon as October 1 hits every single player who's off contract will be linked to The Roosters yeah but the thing is the money you have to it's not as you can't just Bank it you have to spend it the NRL has a rule that says you have to spend a certain amount by the the start of the competition you have to have a certain amount spent by this time and by August one you have to have spent 95% of your cap so it's not as if they can just turn around and go well there's $4 million but nothing off nothing off contract so what they can do is they can promote players for a year you know you might have a couple of development players and just go oh you know what we can give you a couple hundred grand here or there you can upgrade someone as well um you can throw a little bit more money at Billy Smith to stop him from going and making a bad career decision of going to the Titans or something like that um yeah if if there is a player off contract like they can go to David feeder and go mate you can you can get out of there anytime you want come to us you can go tap Joe Tony on the shoulder and say hey look camber ain't going to do a hell of a lot come play for us go get Nelson off of solomona you know replace Jared W goes with Nelson off of solomona they're proven they can go to rugby too and I think England's in play but there's one thing I'm not worried about that and that and that's not the uh the R's accountants are pretty clever yeah now I I I've got a lot to say which Tiger Turuva why I'm going to throw it to you you first young Tera Premiership Winger rookie of the for penth has uh supposedly signed for the Tigers I they announced it it's been announced that's good to hear because I heard Nathan CLE H sorry Ivan clear say some stuff um thoughts on the signing real quick um look I think Tera is a fantastic Winger okay um they've apparently signed him as to give him first crack at Center and the backup fullback to jereem Buller and my first thought to that is like why you seen what he can do on the wing your wing is are terrible put him on the Wing makes sense right now they the Tigers tried that they signed a a tric scoring rookie in Charlie stains who probably hasn't worked out the way we would have would have thought based on his debut um I don't mind the signing I I like the fact that penrith weren't willing to break the bank because they Pro that they can just plug in any player and they'll be sweet so I'm glad uh good on the Tigers obviously you know Jerome L is going across there and they're following the Bulldogs W so every Panther they can whether it works or not to be seen I think some I saw online that he's related to appy Corel as well oh there you go who's another former Panther so you know it's um weal we talked on Finns up on Spotify about Sir Fitz taking the the penth game plan looks like everyone's trying to get it and for good reason too I like this because Ivan clear left to R out I think putting it nicely for Paul alamot who had an absolute w game is second for penth I don't think it's any coincidence that a supreme Talent player found his feet at a better run Club than where he came from the Bulldogs with the greatest respect Arn not penneth came out in the game after uh the the post game conference rather and said I left terer out because he signed for the Tigers and I was like good and then he continued and said it's very draining on a young player it's something that he's been discussing for weeks and mentally probably you know and physically even it takes a lot out it first big contract great coaching but I if he left it as I dropped him because Paul alamot is going to stick around for years he's a monster there's not a lot between the talent I'm sticking with my boy rather than the guy that's leaving at the end of the year it's no coincidence at all Terry that every good coaching decision we see not bagging the rest playing players that you know will bleed for the club and they staying at the club it coming from W clear who's got three straight Premier ships I wish he left it at that I'm glad didn't CU it would have been very bitter but if Alam mty gets called in late this week I don't think he loses that spot for the rest of the year no look the thing son s Tera is an out andout Winger alamot is a center right and they will you know alamot is he's only don't forget Alan M's off contract so he only signed a one year deal I don't know if they've picked up a second year or whatever it is from him but at the moment let's just just call it as it is that he is potentially off contract as well Tera is better on the wing um and I like I I actually like the way that Ivan clear handled it who said I did drop him because he just needed to be around his family this week was taxing it was tolling he was upset uh he cried at training when he told the boys that he was leaving so I've left him at penri to be with his family for the week and he'll be back in the squad next week brilliant coaching and pen through in the business of this year and next year and probably the year after of trying to win a Premiership and actually having a Premiership window so Ivan CLE will pick like he's not going to go and drop James Fisher Harris because Fisher Harris going to New Zealand he he dropped Tera for a week because Tera is Young like Fisher Harris is so so far ahead in his career compared to Tera I really like that um I don't I don't think Ivan clear will make it a habit of players who are leaving you know like again he's not going to drop Jerome L um but I think he just did the right thing by kid and fair play to him and that kid will come back and score multiple tries this year he's such a good coach no I'm love to say anything positive about penth because you know it's lazy and it's so easy but everything he does is right I I'm a big Paul alamot fan we had a bit of a joke a couple years ago at his expense you know that wasn't about him at all but this is a blow that if he he signed for canola sweet just was no good at the Bulldogs but I think that's more to do with the Bulldogs leave your comments Bulldogs fans I I'm sorry more bad news Terry The King The King Gurtho headed for surgery King gotho think gson out four to six weeks opted for surgery which judging by the way that he couldn't walk at the end of the last game I think is the right decision not only for this year but for his career look there was a a snippet in the telegraph um and I think it may have been written by Phil Rothfield who said that guth's future lies at 5'8 because his knees are shot and every Paramount fan from here to there was in the comments of that article saying there's no way Dylan Brown's our 58 Mitch m is our halfback Gotham's our fullback you don't know what you're talking about gs's KN are F blah blah blah next minute he's having surgery it's a blow for param because param are a lot on stocks they have one of the worst back lines in the competition and they're just not in a good place at the moment and it's also a blow to the NRL because goth is a guy who you either like or you loath right and I'm in the Band of I like goth because it gets under people's skin and I don't know why um this is a guy as well who average Talent 100% hard work commitment work ethic everything that you want about a rugby league player um he's a like Clint goths reminds me of a 1980s player he's just pure hard work determination grit not not a pure athlete not the fastest not the strongest you know but just just wants it um so it sucks to lose like it sucks to lose any player to injury there's probably like three or four that I wouldn't care if they never came back but yeah the king going to miss him he's H so peram and he's been holding the club together for probably two years he is the right thing for himself and the club because this is gone let's face it unless Moses comes back and breathes fire they're not going to finish high enough to cause troubles in the eight even if they do make the eight gths all the preseason talk was he was going to move to the centers because his body couldn't hold fullback anymore and then that was quickly rubbished and then we heard what you mentioned that he moved a 5'8 they've got to protect this bloat because he's carried that club he's not necessarily been their best player but he's been their heart and soul for so long and to see him the other night he was struggling so hard at Manley and I mean this is a blat who I I joke people would die for the club I doubt very much that he wouldn't like he would take it as a he' go out and his saw I me I'm so I'm I'm not happy to see that he's out but I'm so happy to hear he's getting the surgery because he was only one stepping the wrong way from ending his career and not being able to play anything let alone football playing in the backyard like it's that bad he was hobbling so bad and it's not the first time last year in the last game I believe he had a shock in injury so good on him hopefully he comes back fit and firing and has at least another season or two in him uh Mitch Moses looks like he's coming better than they thought and he's targeting magic ground so maybe Moses coming in we'll we'll kickart him a little bit we'll see asie moov the forb I don't know but you know thoughts are with the king I love the with you I'm very much in that I I love him so hope we see him see him back sooner than later and last but not least young luyas fresh off a horror injury unfortunately being Ilias free to look around as Lewis Dodd signs dropped from s he made the scapegoat let's be honest whether he delivered deserved it or not that's another day another argument for another day it's been told to look around it had to happen it had to happen I don't think he's got a spot in the NL next year I think he needs to go and do a brody coft yep go to a midt Super League team and take them as far as you can and then come back he was thrust into like like Demetrio he was thrust into Demetrio got life without Reynolds and he was literally life after Reynolds you know that's that's the thing like he it's not as if he stepped into a scrubs boots you're talking about a guy who's 35 36 years old at the moment he's still one of the Premier halfbacks in the competition um I yeah I mean who would take him like he's he's lazily been linked with the Bulldogs lazily been linked with the bulls he is not what they need he'll get linked with the Gold Coast Titans he's not what the Titans need at all other than that maybe Cambra maybe maybe back up to foggy bench bench option I don't know maybe there's not many spots for him the roosters have a lot of money and need need some players and they've already come out and said the sand and Smith's the future maybe ilas plays a backer well maybe came out and like he's he's been linked with penth because you know that Brad Schneider is going to pick up a gig somewhere probably you know because of the way that he's play he'll probably end up at the dogs or the Titans lucky going to penth for a year would be pretty good yeah I mean there's a a There's an opportunity in we've seen Jonah peits G down injured which which sucks because I'm a real fan of his you know Tyron wiard has stepped in niiko hin stepped in at halves and look what's become of him in Melbourne so ilas in Melbourne would not Shock me at all um he he was on a hiding to nothing coming in he was you know sou fans who were riding what five prelims or four prelims in a row Couple Grand finals in that lose Adam Reynolds and they're being told n it's all good because you got this kid who's the next Adam Reynolds there's no winning that even if he came in and was playing you know Lights Out full ball you look up the road and Reynolds is killing it for Brisbane there's going to be that hatred there from the fans it's only natural and I I know ilas didn't play particularly well last year against KOLO tus the shred and I thought oh here we go they've got this kid I think he took him to a prelim the year before2 he he's got the talent but when Cody Walker stopped playing lights out football ilas couldn't lift them as most young kids in their second or third year can't I am glad that they've given him the option to look around he's he's quite within his rights to dig his boots in and say h no you pay me I think he will cuz I think he's that kind of player I would not be shocked to see him go to England and and really play well because he's a lot he's got a lot of talent we've seen it I just it sucks to see the way it's ended for the kid well speaking of England the only reason why he's been told that he can look around is because apparently South Sydney have won the the race to sign Le DOD now I've seen people online bagging this out and I don't know how you can be critical of it sou Sydney one had to do something if they just stuck to their Laurels and continue to do what they do then they're just going to flounder they've gone out and got the best halfback in England best young halfback in England anyway the kids are tremendous Talent we've seen him tear penth up at penth and in St Helens um sorry uh yeah yeah um I uh yeah I just I don't know like I I I think it's brilliant I think I think it's I think it's absolutely brilliant that they've got Lewis Dodd and I think it's a great move for him and this is the reason why ilas has been told that he can go but again if if you're ilas you probably turn around on dig your heels in play Reserve grade wait for Cody Walker to go but you know he wants to be playing first grade football go sign foron Hills completely Fair it's it's it's a tough situation for a young kid look there's a lot of change at sou I would demitro G now what's to say that Morris or I mean Hornby or ferer don't say to elas just call your jets I know you're injured let's see how you reab getting around the club and we'll talk in the offseason and if you still want to go you can what's say when Bennett doesn't come in and say no no there's a reason I put that secession plan in I can get him firing so I I don't I don't think we've heard the end of it here but I I feel a little bit sorry for is I think he has been made the scapegoat in all this rightly or wrong he's a halfback the the other thing as well is he's like he's he's rehabbing from a really really nasty injury and I know South Sydney have said to him apparently you can look around if I'm him I'm turn around and say you know what I'll take you up on your offer when I know what the future of the club is when I know whether it's going to be hor next year or it's going to be Bennett or it's going to be Paul McGregor it's going to be John Morris or it's going to be whoever it's going to be let you sign the coach for next year and let me have a chat to them and if I'm not part of the game plan I'll go I'll sign elsewhere you won't have me next year hello everyone thank you for tuning in to another episode of the knock on podcast brought to you by zero tackle your One-Stop shop online for everything that you need news transfers breaking news does it happens Scott is all over Twitter at the moment breaking news when it comes he's got that website absolutely humming we've got the best independent Riders on the planet covering rugby leag and we have Dan on there as well Dan you're 20 to1 every week just gets the heartstrings going especially with the way that canala are firing at the moment what's coming up what are you bringing to us so I know to shut my browser down look it feels nice mate despite the the hate that comes from this side whatever side it is when that's all edited together um I got origin watch this week last week I had planned a ponga vers Walsh argument a thorough breakdown I had my points and then psh I was like well yeah well it was going to be Walsh anyways but there was a good argument there for pong I thought right that's out the thing and then I I put that um Ezra M was definitely going to be the next man up and Sam Walker came out and played one of the best games you've ever seen so now I'm going to argue that those so you got Tom Deen you got Ezra M and you got Sam Walker D CH Evans is 35 and cam moner is Cam monster you never know when the next man up going to come so I'm going to debate that and go on well I mean you're going to do Walsh vers pong why aren't you doing Edwards firsts Teddy well I did that last week and it was it was pretty easy to say it's Edward's time get it done Maguire but New South Wales have got one Winger Chosen and Brian to who will join him on the other Wing or I'll break it down it'll drop very very soon Brant can't wait to read it