and now you're going to the final how this is obviously the big one with Francois p and Nelson Mandela and the nation United wanting to go for it you must have been pretty sure that you had a great chance of winning this um no we had a lot of things to contend with u we knew we were we were in for a battle um but you must the way you were playing you must have thought and particularly you it wasn't to be of course no we um no we we were confident going into the game but um we knew we were in for a battle uh when you when you're when you're in the country or South Africa you're playing against the spring box driving to the grounds you can see the people getting behind the spring box so you can see this momentum you can see this wave that was just building right through the whole tournament and and it carried through to the final and um I guess the the thing for me was we felt like that we were playing against the whole country all in one game but the biggest significance in the game was having n mandala come out in the spring box shirt and especially when he turned around and had the number six written on the back you know the the influence of that man uh was bigger than any anybody thought it would be um you know we thought you know he's going to be just there to support the spring box but we never expected him to put on a spring box shirt we never ever in our lives ever thought that would happen and um and it did and especially when he was coming down the line and he shaking everybody's hand and I was thinking to myself say something very intelligent to the man well by the time he got to me I was like um nice to meet you that was no you know so the influence of the man in the game was was huge and um you when you walked out there you know you could you could heit a chance b b b and then all of a sudden then it went to uh Nelson and um you that changed you you can you can feel that Eerie feeling in in the ground so you know that played on our minds and um you and it and it just you know when uh when you look at the two two teams come together and and we went to battle um you know we went we had to go into two overtimes you know and it was decided by one kick and um and it could have gone either way but um you know at the end of the day the spring box didn't win South Africa won uh at the end of the day we saw a nation come together that was torn apart by a partti and so forth and um you know um before then you know the spring box were were hated in in the country by um you know by the people of Africa and um you know at the end of the day they ended up being united under that spring uh you know behind that spring box team because the president who was locked away for 28 years was willing to actually put away any past in reviance that he had and anything that was done to him to bring this nation together and and um we saw that and that sort of took away a bit of the pain that uh you know of losing the World Cup we wish we had won it but um we we saw something bigger than rugby