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>>> THE RACE IS A DEAD HEAT IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA, ACCORDING TO PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE POLLING, INCLUDING THE LATEST TRUMP CBS YOU GOV, SO MUCH ATTENTION IS BEING PAID TO THE STATE BECAUSE OF ITS 19 ELECTORAL VOTES, AND HOW CRUCIAL THEY ARE. IN FACT, NO DEMOCRAT SINCE 1948 HAS WON THE WHITE HOUSE WITHOUT WINNING PENNSYLVANIA. JOINING US NOW, DEMOCRATIC SENATOR FROM PENNSYLVANIA JOHN FETTERMAN. SENATOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US. >> HEY, IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE OF COURSE. >> WHAT IS THE KEY TO WINNING PENNSYLVANIA, SPECIFICALLY WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA? >> WELL, I THINK REALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, BACK IN 2016, I DRESSED LIKE A SLOB, AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY HAIR, AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY CLOSE. IT'S GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY CLOSE WHEN IT WAS SECRETARY CLINTON, AND HERE WE ARE IN 2024, AND I STILL DRESS LIKE A SLOB, I DON'T HAVE ANY HAIR, AND IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE RIGHT NOW TOO BECAUSE IT'S A VERY STARK CHOICE HERE AND THERE. AND NOW, I DO BELIEVE THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS GOING TO PREVAIL ON THAT. WE CAN'T FORGET THAT TRUMP HAS AN APPEAL IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE SHOW UP EVERYWHERE, AND WE NEED TO COME AT THEM AND MAKE THE ARGUMENT AND A LOT OF THE KINDS OF ROOMS THAT OTHER TIMES PEOPLE AREN'T SHOWING UP, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE DOING UNTIL NOW AND THE ELECTION RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHO TRUMP IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE THAT KIND OF APPEAL. AFTER EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WHETHER IT'S THE TRAIL OR THE IMPEACHMENT OR TWO IMPEACHMENTS OR JANUARY 6th OR EVEN AFTER THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT, ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS DEBATE IS GOING TO CHANGE IN A SIGNIFICANT KIND OF WAY. >> I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO CHANGE IT? YOU SAY PEOPLE KNOW WHO DONALD TRUMP IS. THAT'S TRUE. THERE ARE STILL FOLKS WHO SAY THEY NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS. THEY KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN AND NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THE POLICIES, SHOULD KAMALA HARRIS SEPARATE HERSELF MORE CLEARLY FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> I THINK IN EVERYTHING, THE WAY SHE'S LIVED HER LIFE AND DURING HER CAREER, THROUGHOUT ALL OF THAT, SHE'S DISTINGUISHED HERSELF VERY CLEARLY FROM TRUMP ON THIS. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE CHOICE. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY OR IT'S ABOUT POLICIES OR THOSE KINDS OF OBSCURE THINGS, IT'S ABOUT THE CHOICE, AND WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION DO WE WANT OUR NATION TO GO IN, AFTER ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND THAT'S REALLY A GUT CHECK KIND OF THING. AND I WAS VERY CONCERNED IN 2016, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, AND IN 2020, JOE BIDEN LEANED IN AND DID THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WERE NEEDED TO WIN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HE DID THAT. IT WAS STILL VERY CLOSE, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A RUN AWAY IN PENNSYLVANIA. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE. AND NOW I DO FUNDAMENTALLY BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF PENNSYLVANIANS ARE GOING TO SAY, LOOK, I'M NOT EVER, EVER, EVER GOING TO GO BACK TO THOSE KINDS OF CHAOTIC AND UNHINGED KINDS OF DAYS. AND I DO FUNDAMENTALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS DEBATE, AGAIN, I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO HAVE AMAZING KINDS OF PREPARATIONS RIGHT NOW. I HAD THE SAME KINDS OF PEOPLE LIKE KAREN DUNN, SHE'S AMAZING, SHE HELPED ME WITH MY OWN DEBATE. SHE'S GOING TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT AND PREPARED FOR ANYTHING. I FUNDAMENTALLY SHE'S GOING TO GO GREAT, TRUMP IS GOING TO BE STRANGE AND HE'S GOING IT TO SAY OUTLANDISH THINGS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DEBATE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE PAST THAT AND RETURN TO A VERY VERY CLOSE RACE, IN PENNSYLVANIA AND ACROSS THE NATION IN A LOT OF THE CRITICAL STATES. >> WHAT SHOULD VP KAMALA HARRIS IN YOUR OPINION TALK ABOUT IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA TO WIN THAT STATE? >> I'M NOT HERE TO GIVE HER ANY KINDS OF OPINIONS. IT'S LIKE SHE'S ABSOLUTELY CAPABLE TO HAVE THAT MESSAGE. BUT WHAT I'M COMMITTED TO DOING IS I'M GOING TO KEEP SHOWING UP AND LETTING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, I STAND WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT JUST LIKE I STOOD WITH JOE BIDEN THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS. AND I BELIEVE THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS GOING TO PREVAIL IN THIS. BUT I REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO SAY BETWEEN NOW AND 2016 THAT WE ALL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY CLOSE, AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED AND ALL THE SCANDALS AND EVERYTHING THAT HASN'T HAD ANY IMPACT ON TRUMP, AND HERE'S WHERE WE ARE, AND NOW LET'S JUST HOLD THE LINE BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER, AND IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE, AND I DO BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO PREVAIL IN ALL OF THESE THINGS. >> IS IT A PRO DEMOCRACY MESSAGE, FREEDOM MESSAGE? IS IT AN ECONOMIC MESSAGE THAT WILL WIN PENNSYLVANIA? >> I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE HER ADVICE, BUT YOU KNOW THE STATE WELL. YOU KNOW WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. >> I THINK THAT'S A VERY STARK CHOICE, AND I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE EMBEDDED IN THAT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY -- IF DEMOCRACY IS IMPORTANT TO YOU, OF COURSE YOU KNOW VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS GOING TO BE THE CHOICE. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PREPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR WOMEN, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO CHOOSE THE VICE PRESIDENT. IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS SOMEBODY GOING TO HAVE AN INSURRECTION AND CLAIM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RIGGED ELECTIONS AND THINGS, DEFINITELY YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR HARRIS ON THINGS. THAT'S WHY I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY I PERSONALLY WOULD VOTE FOR THAT. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP AND SPEND ANY TIME IN SMALL COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA YOU SEE A LOT OF SUPPORT AND THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY THERE FOR TRUMP, AND I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. IT'S TRUE, AND IT'S THERE, AND IF WE DON'T TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEN DO AT OUR OWN PERIL AT THAT. THE SAME MESSAGE I WOULD HAVE HAD BACK WITH SECRETARY CLINTON. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND, SECRETARY CLINTON BEAT TRUMP IN ALL THREE DEBATES. I WAS ACTUALLY IN THE AUDIENCE OF THAT FIRST DEBATE, AND HE ABSOLUTELY -- WE WHOOPED HIM, BUT THAT DOESN'T DETERMINATIVE IN THAT RACE SADLY. I DO BELIEVE THAT HARRIS IS GOING TO WIN, AND TRUMP IS GOING TO HAVE A STRONG PERFORMANCE TOO, BUT I DO NOT THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE OVERLYING DYNAMIC THAT I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING SINCE 2016. >> SENATOR JOHN FETTERMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET TO IT, BUT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TODAY ANNOUNCED IT WOULD BE FINALIZING A PROPOSAL TO FORCE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES TO COVER MENTAL HEALTH CARE, NEXT TIME YOU COME ON, WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE, YOU REALLY CAN'T SPLIT PHYSICAL HEALTH AND MENTAL HEALTH.