First of all, I'm just wondering overall what you thought of the last night, because it does seem maybe like 10 minutes into it, Vice President Harris certainly a way to get underneath or under the skin of the former in a way that very few people have in a public debate. Well, let's just talk about her rather than him right now. It can come back to his skin lat But right now, we're to talk about her leadersh I was so proud of her. She was presidential. She showed her new way forward, and forward. Her plan to take us forward, command of the issues, eloquence in talking about them, again, st in her thinking. I thought she was just spectacul But her excellence did get under his skin. And it was so strange because one of the one of the th I was so proud about that Kamala, the vice president last night, was that she prioritized in her Any one of them could be a progr discussion that she prioritized the importance of whether it was a woman's right to choose, whether it's our national securi whether it's issues that relate to our economy and the rest she prioritized. And that means there's so much more of two to come as we go from here. So I think I think she did great bathing him and him taking the b you know? You know, I don't even like to use his nam much talk, much less talk about But the fact is, I thought he looked foolish last I thought she looked presidentia I thought he looked silly. Have you I mean, watching him on that sta I mean, you've obviously you kno you know him very well from from interacting with him in a in a professional capacity. Has he? What do you make of where he is Has he is his skill level the same is his. I mean, is he different than he was, as you recall, in office in terms of his stamin thinking, whatever it may be rig You know, one of those big ballo when you stick opinion and it swirls around the room until it's comes down to nothing That's what he reminds me of. Just less and less and less and less like somebody stuck a pin in him and he's just greatly diminished The fact that we're talking abou table issues, people's personal their financial health, all the things that people care And what is he talking about? And well, the things you talked about earlier, which I wo and I won't spend any more time going into. But I do think that people saw a big distinction as to who can be the commander i who is respected. And she has served as vice president, as a senator before t This is a person who is a good p Personally, I know her as a good a person of deep faith who cares about people. And her public service is a reflection of that. Officially, I know her is a personal strength. She knows the priorities, the is She has a command of them, as I mentioned. She is strategic in how to get the job done and eloquent in how to convey it And politically, she is very ast So when she puts forth the new w forward, she's taking us from the greatness of Joe Biden and all that we working together accomplished in that term to new heights, to new heights in a and in her w So I feel that that was demonstrated very clear and with over, what, 67 million people watching. It's a good start. We say to everyone now, our work continues. We will get out the vote. Well, we can talk. But let me ask you about that. I mean, as you write, I mean, you know, a thing or two about campaigning. Your book has a fascinating look at politics in America, in your career. What needs to happen now, in your opinion, for the Harris campaign? What? Because, I mean, look, no matter how well people think she may have done last night, you look at the numbers, this is I tell me if you believe it, a very, very close race, particularly in these battleground states. Well, first, let me just say tha I what I loved about last night, she was herself. She was herself and being articu and knowledgeable and prioritizing and the rest. She doesn't need any advice from the rest of us on how she should proceed. But what we need to do is to make sure she wins. So for all of those millions of who saw her and were excited by the rest we don't that that's ok But we have to we have to put it into action. So that means we must I have three M's mobilize. We must own the ground to get out the vote. Every single vote that is for Kamala Harris to come to the polls. We have to message in a way that is inspiring. You don't run on empty, but you Need inspiration. We want a message that is bold and progressive, but not menacing, but is unifying for our country. As she said, turn the page where we want to unify America. Mobilization message and of course, the money to get the job done. And small donors have been just so enthusiastic about her campaign. But this must continue. So I have the three M's and I had the thre no wasted time, no underutilized resource, and no regrets. The day after the election that we could have walked another precinct or made more calls or sent more or postcards and the rest. So we're getting down to the bas But we don't agonize over him. We organize about her mobilization message, money on the ground, because all of this is just a conversation unless you unless you own the ground. So people are brave. They are they are working. And that's what it will take, because I believe every race is Now, she'll win the popular vote but we have to win both of those targeted states. There are people who watched the debate last nigh and agonize about a return to do that for the next four yea You write in your book, The threat to our democracy is r Present and urgent. The parable of January six reminds us that our precious democratic ins are only as strong as the courag and commitment of those entruste with their care. The former person recently poste about jailing election officials he views as cheating. Couple of weeks ago, he shared a computer generated image of you and sever other prominent Democrats in orange jumpsuits with the cap How to actually fix the System. Do you I mean, do you take these threats of political retribution seriously? Yes, I do. His people have already acted upon my family in my own home. So, yes, I make fun of threats. I take his threat seriously. Let me just say, what is so offensive to me is that there's some really good Republicans out there who put up with his saying he never offered any any any National Guard. Even Mitch McConnell joined us in our bipartisan urgi Please, please send them Please send the National Guard and his secretary of the Army, secretary of defens all it takes a lot of time and a And he never did until finally h Hours later, more people injured, some people a subsequent to that dying because he wouldn't send the National Guard. So for him to go on TV and lie a I mean, he lies all the time, that's the only I don't know if he knows what the truth is. He's so fine from it and his sta But for him to lie about sending the nationa I sent it. They refused. Please press. Please press. Don't let him get away with that That's so ridiculous. And he knows that we do not have control of the security. That's hell dealt in a different And the power of the White House Now, hopefully we could get the of Columbia made into a state, and then the the leader of the District of Co can call out the National Guard. But until that happens, and unless it does, we're dependent on the president who has incited the insurrection and refused to send the National So when he talks about arresting people in the US, isn't that offensive to people? Am I missing something here? You know what? We don't agonize. We organize. We just have to win We have to win big. I don't know if you saw that The administration has called January six A is a special security event. So that means that there will be more security there from the start so that we don't have it. And of course, most important to that is to have Hakeem Jeffries have the gavel and be the speaker of the House. It would have been a very different outcome. I didn't have the gavel and the Democrats had the majori in the House. House Speaker Nanc I very much appreciate it. Thank Thank you. My pleasure.