POLITICAL FALLOUT. JOINING NOW JAMES CARVILLE, VETERAN DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND CO-HOST OF THE POLITICS WAR ROOM PODCAST, HOGAN GIDLEY, FORMER DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE TRUMP 2020 CAMPAIGN NATIONAL PRESS SECRETARY. THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING ON THE SHOW. APPRECIATE OUR JAMES. LET ME START WITH YOU. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THIS RENDERING IS IT HAVING MORE OF AN IMPACT ON VOTERS? DO THEY NOT CARE OR IS THIS REALLY JUST ALL ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS AT THIS POINT? >> I THINK IT'S A LOT BY PHONE HARISH. I THINK TRUMP IS A TOTALLY NOW INTO K I THINK TOMORROW NIGHT IT WAS VERY CRITICAL. PART OF WHY HATE TO SAY BUT EXPECT HER TO DO VERY WELL. I THINK SHE IS VERY WELL PREPARED. I THINK SHE'S COMING WITH DURING. AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON AND TRUMP WORLD, BUT OUR HE BET A TIGHTNESS CHINSTRAP BECAUSE SHE'S COMING AFTER ENGINE EXPLAIN YOURSELF. AND I THINK SHE'LL DO QUITE WELL. HERE. I'M HEARING GOOD THINGS OUT OF PITTSBURGH. >> YEAH, I MEAN, LOOK, WE'LL AND WE'RE GOING TO DO A KIND. THE NET I I LOOK, WE'LL I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE PROUD NOT MAKING JOINING CAST I MEANT IT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO SEE. AND ALSO, BY THE WAY, THIS NEXT SEGMENT WE'RE GOING TO PLAY YOU SOUND OF HARRIS FROM OLD DEBATES VERSUS TRUMP, AN OLD DEBATES, PUT THEM TOGETHER AND SHOW YOU SORT OF DEBATE MIGHT LOOK LIKE. BUT HOGAN, WHY IS IT THAT WHEN TRUMP HAS THIS SORT OF MOMENT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? POLLS MOVING IN HIS FAVOR, PEOPLE SAYING, OH, YOU KNOW, HE SEEMS MORE DISCIPLINED. HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT 2020 ANYMORE AND THEN BOOM, HE'S BACK MAKING EVEN MORE OUTRAGEOUS COMMENTS ABOUT 2020. >> WELL, LOOK, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT IN THE OUTSET WHERE THE POLLING, HOW IT SHIFTED IN GONE INTO TRUMP'S FAVOR, A LARGE PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE IN THAT NEW YORK TIMES POLL THAT 61% OF PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO TURN THE PAGE AWAY FROM JOE BIDEN AND OF THAT 53%. SAID IT WAS DONALD TRUMP COULD DO THAT ONLY 25% SAID KAMALA HARRIS IN LARGE MEASURE BECAUSE SHE'S TIED TO ALL THE FAILURES OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE SHE WAS THE LAST ONE OF THE ROOM SHE BRAGGED ABOUT HELPING TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT THIS POINT HAVE BEEN LIVING UNDER THE BIDEN-HARRIS REGIME FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS GETTING KICKED IN THE TEETH. THEY CAN'T AFFORD GAS AND GROCERIES. THE BORDERS WIDE OPEN WARS BREAKING OUT ALL OVER THE WORLD. CRIME IN THE CITY STREETS AND SHE IS THE CAUSE OF THAT. DONALD TRUMP HAS POINTED THAT OUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. AND WHEN YOU SEE OTHER POLLING THAT ALSO SHOWS TRUMP LEADS ON THE 2 MAIN ISSUES, THE ECONOMY AND IMMIGRATION. IT'S A TOUGH ROAD FOR KAMALA, BUT I WILL SAY CHANGES 100% ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT. KAMALA HARRIS WILL HAVE ALL OF THE CONTRIVED REHEARSED LINES READY TO GO AFTER DONALD TRUMP. THIS IS THE SAME WOMAN WHO SAID JOE BIDEN WAS A RACIST AND A RAPIST ON A DEBATE STAGE HAD T-SHIRTS READY TO GO. SHE JUST COULDN'T PARLAY THAT INTO A MOVEMENT. SHE FAILED INFLAMED OUT REALLY SHORTLY THEREAFTER. >> LOOK, I'M NOT A PROJECTION. MARK MY PREDICTION. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. DON'T CARE. I'M NOT COME ON THE SHOW TO SHOW YOU WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS ME TO SAY. I SAY WHAT I THINK. I THINK SHE'S GOING TO DO VERY WELL TOMORROW NIGHT. OUR EXPECT THAT I'M NOT AFRAID BUT MAKE 24 HOURS OF THEM BACK ON YOUR SHOW AND YOU SHOW YOU ARE WRONG, OK, BE YEAR AGO NEXT MONTH FOR A TIME TO THINK OUT RAHM AND REALLY BUT I EXPECT HER THEY'RE DOING VERY WELL. AND I THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE PREPARED. OF COURSE, SHE HEARS PEOPLE HELP. AND HOW WOULD LIKE GOT TO DO THAT? THAT'S THE MOST MASTERMIND CHARGE HEARD IN YOUR POLITICAL CAMP AND YOU THINK GET TOGETHER DEBATE PREP AND SAY LOOK AT THEIR SIDE TO SIDE AS THAT