The Breakfast Club

[Music] hello everyone I would like to open this episode of the swamp which is our podcast that you're listening to it's an acronym stand for some wack ass movie podcasting I'd like to start our episode off today with an an Emily my co-host and I Emily and I have been friends uh since middle school y I used to dye my hair I'm naturally a brunette but I used to dye my hair a bright [ __ ] red like fire truck red Y and impressive one time I distinctly remember I was 14 years old we were freshman in high school and we were at your house and your mom says to me Dara you really remind me of that girl from The Breakfast Club and of course me with boxed red hair dye and I'm like she thinks I'm Molly Ringwald that's such a compliment and I was like oh yeah and she's like no no no the other one and I was like well yes well yes because honestly I couldn't even clap back to that because she wasn't wrong it's in the same vein that when people say that I look like Velma and I'm like hey that's rude but then I'm like wearing an orange turtleneck and I'm looking for my glasses on all fours on the ground and I'm like well you got me I'm like well well yes uh me and Allison surely do share some similarities I will give her that so thank you G and to clock in me from day one I really appreciate it even though I was trying all my Med to be a CLA I was an Allison so hey sometimes there's just no there's no hiding it I feel like it's probably you wore like a really big chunky sweaters and stuff like that you know I like doing weird [ __ ] and like kind of like running around like a muppet and like moving in odd ways and like you know eating pixie sticks on bread eating like a whole bag of Captain crunch like it's dog food for some reason like do like eating water bottle labels to get attention that was very my in the middle to early High School ages you do that didn't youh yeah I related on the bad ways a little bit as well to her a little too much um but I just thought that would be a nice way to open this episode I mean the first time I met you like I don't know if I've told this story on here before you certainly know it but um me and my sister we didn't know your name we all met and banded and Alyssa played the um the clarinet alongside you didn't know your name yet we just called you feather girl cuz you had like just about 30 of those like it's it's very like strictly 2011 hyper hyper 2010 score Not only was I wearing the feather earrings but I would DIY use jewelry crimping beads not even beads for your hair beads for jewelry so that was like slicing into my scalp just Dollar Store [ __ ] craft feathers getting it all up in there yeah it was truly impressive but yeah that's who you were to me for probably yeah a couple weeks and then additionally another anecdote is that I hate this movie I'm sorry I know a lot of people like it um and I'm sorry as well that this episode's a little late this week because I am sick and I put on this movie and I thought to myself boy do I really hate The Breakfast Club or am I about to be violently ill and I was about 15 minutes in and I was like no it's just not sitting right with me and I paused it and proceeded to become violently ill so like my just fever just spiked the minute I saw directed by John Hughes my body went nope and simply rejected this film so sorry we're a little late this week but I don't like the Breakfast Club I'm sorry uh I know a lot of people do like it and I want to admit there are good things about this movie do where's your standing I don't think you're as much of a hater as I am but do you love this no no no no no no I don't love it I definitely remember being probably like 12 or 13 and like my mom who is also a child of the80s putting it on and being like this is a good movie cuz she yeah she's definitely got that John Hughes Nostalgia um and of course I adored it when I first watched it but I think through the years of seeing it on ABC Family every [ __ ] week um chopped up and censored um has just really put me off to it and the amount of cultural references growing up with it it's just it was overbearing um and I think the movie is fine um I've got my qualms with it as well but I wouldn't say that I enjoy it I wouldn't say that I hate it it's just fine which I think is the most offensive thing in my opinion because it's not like it at least if I had something to be mad about that's giving me more than just like I'm kind of bored interesting I'm mad I'm big mad it enlightened me I'd love to hear all about this cuz I you seem like you're not a John Hughes girl to begin with well so that's what I kind of wanted to preface this episode with a little bit is I think historical context is a little important I don't think the'80s were that long enough ago to like excuse certain things right like other John Hughes movies are more problematic other John Hughes movies are less problematic we can get into the nitty-gritty um but ultimately this movie tells me one thing and I think John Hughes is a [ __ ] incel I think he doesn't like women I don't think he knows how to write interesting women and for some reason he decided to be the voice of the weird un misunderstood teen girl in the'80s why did he make three back-to-back movies with a female protagonist that he's try well Breakfast Club you know mixed mixed bag but why are you trying to speak through Molly Ringwald bro get the [ __ ] out of here but you know to give some good points I wanted to say some things about this movie that I think are good because I understand why people like it and I think within the context there weren't really any movies about teenagers speaking two teenagers at that time or if there they're very few and far between it was very like speaking down to teens and I think John Hughes really revolutionized validating teenagers feelings which was sure its own you know new thing so maybe they were willing to overlook some of the creepy bad uh gross things in these movies cuz it's like well finally you're speaking to me and not at me I mean whenever you get teenagers involved it is sort of revolutionary I mean think of like Teenage music wasn't made for teenagers before like you know the Beatles and stuff like that you know um and I mean teenage girls basically created fandoms in itself um so I think when you do sort of start including them it does become like a poignant like social um period And I think John Hugh specifically is not just focusing on teens but he's also focusing on misunderstood teens or teens who are maybe a little socially marginalized right don't feel like they fit in because that's relatable everyone can relate to somebody in The Breakfast Club in some way or another right because they're all just laying all their [ __ ] out there they're they're just laying all their [ __ ] out there but I don't know I don't know if I could even pin anyways sorry we'll get into that yeah I don't yeah the relatability aspect I think gets a little construed as time passes yes I think it's died off a bit more now and I think we all have a much more open view of like the self whereas this movie was very much like the good message of you don't just have to be the one stereotype that everyone says you are you can be a multi-dimensional human even though you're 16 in high school and actually talking and communicating with people who are different from you is a good thing but that is all within the confines of this movie that is so incredibly white middle class Suburban a lot of of course the issues of having a bad home life are important and good to bring up in media for people who can relate to that but sure all these kids are saying that their lives are so hard and that is simply not very true in the context you know you think you just fell out of a coconut tree let's think about the context and this movie is very white very privileged yes this movie is made by white people for white people about white people M and you interestingly your partner was watching with you and they are not white and you said that they had never seen this before and I kind of was like oh that would make sense that not white people wouldn't be into this movie like that their parents wouldn't have shown it to them cuz that's just like not part of the culture yeah like they've seen every fast and Furious movie with their father n a breakfast club which honestly that could that could be better I I I think it is I think it is the better uh scenario and yeah they thought it was dog [ __ ] for you know the 20 minutes they've spliced in and watched so but my so that all aside and of course if you watch this movie at any sort of pivotal time in your adolescence or coming of age or whatever I could see how this could be very impactful um and I do remember not hating it the first time my mom showed it to me and she was like this is very culturally significant you should watch this and I was like yes I understand but with all John Hughes movies there was something that just rubbed me the wrong way I did not enjoy 16 Candles I did not enjoy pretty and pink I don't like Ferris Beer's day off and going back even further I don't think National Lampoon's Family Vacation is funny I'll say it oh that's him too he yeah he wrote John Hugh has written some runchy [ __ ] if you go back some of the like short stories he used to write for like magazines and [ __ ] are like about incredible Great Lengths of sexual assault to a degree that is trying to be comedic that is very unfunny um John H John Hughes is a little questionable I don't doubt that especially yeah I mean the blatant misogyny in this film was well yes insane and so that was the first thing that as a young person who saw this movie that really set me off that I was like there must be a this didn't age well cultural divide between me and this film because what they did to my girl Allison was not okay and I was like the one character who I can even see a little inkling of myself in right they just decimated my girl they don't let her she only squeaks and makes weird noises for the first half of the movie when she speaks she's saying all of this insane [ __ ] and then she's like just kidding I'm a pathological liar so don't trust me so that all just sort of gets washed away this sort of weird vague dancing around of mental illness they call her a basket case but it's sort of like brushed as a joke some of the time like she's so quirky she she's so corked up she's GNA you know oh she [ __ ] her therapist that's so crazy oh just kidding she didn't like that I did not like and then the final [ __ ] blow is that he's like well what can two women do they can't speak to each other they can have a makeover scene though exact these two girls don't develop they don't speak to each other once the whole [ __ ] movie and then she's like let me do your mascara [ __ ] and she's like why are you being nice to that's that line why are you being nice to me cuz you're letting me made me jump through my ceiling mhm so ridiculous and of course then the only way she gets the attention of the boy is because she now is wearing a headband and took off her makeup that she clearly likes and identifies with and just changes her entire personality and and Persona um for the attention of others and that's how the movie ends as if that that is a good thing thing it's the same thing with Claire who is bullied and harassed by um what Bender the entire movie and then all of a sudden um at the end she's decided that oh wait I find him Charming in that rugged like piece of [ __ ] kind of way that's really hot um and they end up kind of um a moment yeah having a moment she gives him her diamond earring like it's all like where where does that come from like you can have like an understanding and empathy of like who a person is and where they come from without like it be having to become romantic for no reason and I wonder if this is sort of where those shitty ass like just tossed in romantic subplots really originated I mean I can say for myself I probably haven't watched a whole lot of movies earlier than like the' 60s or 70s or anything like that but like the ' 80s really seemed to be that place where the sugar coating came about well especially stuff that's targeted two teens cuz they're like what do teens teens are horny make them make them kiss put the boy put the two boys and the two girls together and the the nerd can go do everyone's homework uh and that's what the teens want right no and this watch around I was really trying to focus on those two couples right anything throughout the movie that would ever indicate to me that these two people have chemistry and like each other and have a potential there's not a lot and every time there is something this movie does this thing that really pisses me off and I think it I don't have any factual claims to back this up thank God cuz this podcast is about our [ __ ] opinions but I think that this movie maybe was part of a catalyst in tipping that people think that having a quote unquote deep conversation with someone just means trauma dumping right oh I don't want to talk about surface level [ __ ] let's have a real conversation no that just me that is a red flag to me that you just want a trauma dump right and this movie is 90 minutes of trauma dumping every single one of these kids is like let me tell you about my relationship with my dad no now it's my turn I want to tell you about my relationship with my dad and it's fine they all find a kind of find a common ground I mean well hey because there's nothing else for white kids in the'80s to complain about exactly and they they smoke some weed and they all relate to each other and that's really beautiful I guess but I find that I'm like where are the moments where they are like realizing like hey maybe we could be friends hey Claire maybe it's good that you are talking to somebody who comes from a different background from you and you could learn something from them but instead it's just him berating her and harassing her her crying and then at the end she gives a little look like but maybe I could like it you know which is awful an awful thing to teach any young girl also weird Jud Nelson is 26 uh [ __ ] Molly Ringwald was 16 when they filmed this so not cool he also I think was really mean to her on set cuz he wanted her as a person to dislike him so that their Dynamic on camera would be more believable and more tumultuous but I'm like you were just bullying a child like come on grow the [ __ ] up you're you're bullying a 16-year-old girl because you thought it for your art or whatever like yeah nobody meth acts cuz they want to be nice right who said that exactly Robert pson love that sure something like that yeah but I just think that this movie is very trauma dumpy heavy where I'm like some of these things could have been actual interesting conversations between these characters specifically the moments that could be romantic the one I found the most is um Emilio est's character Andrew he is talking to uh Allison the weird girl right and he's he's like hey how is your home life is bad right and she like she like kind of nods and he kind of connects with her but I like this scene but they always they always do this [ __ ] though where then they are like well now let's say the quiet part out loud and he's like oh so you dumped out your purse for attention huh I'm like you didn't have to say that there we could through film making and interesting storytelling we could find out that you then put those pieces together and then you talk to her to be like I want to be here for you I'm I also maybe don't have a satisfying home life let's you don't have to you know maybe it's because they're teenagers because I'm I've matured but every situation is like and now I'm addressing the problem loudly and I'm like that's not how you to be fair no to be fair this was made for teenagers who maybe don't have you know that critical thinking skill maybe this is 25-year-old me sort of projecting onto that but I always felt like those little moments could have could have turned romantic or even just some sort of connection between two unlikely people but then it always kind of turned a little sour or mean cuz then he it was like oh you did that for attention haha you're weird or between Claire and Bender right where he's like maybe I understand you she's like maybe I understand you but then oh let's stick it with an insult at the end to be like that's the reason you're [ __ ] up isn't that relatable I didn't like that yeah the scene the scene where she goes and she puts the lipstick on by like putting it in between her boobs and all that that one always stuck out to me as really unnecessary because think that there's a lot of scenes where Clara does some you know um like thoughtless um entitled [ __ ] that I'm like okay I can at least understand bedra coming after her a little bit on this this one was just so [ __ ] mean for no reason after they were all just like sharing stuff they can do and she's like no I don't want to and then she like just so like shitty and cruel which like I the whole point of it I think is for everyone else to call him out and like stand up for her which they've been doing the entire movie though so it doesn't make it any more impactful it's just H I don't know I also sort of this watch around did a bit of a a reading as I was watching it of like picking up that everyone kind of wants to [ __ ] Bender they all hate him right and he's an [ __ ] he's bullying he's bullying the [ __ ] out of everyone yet they all really want his respect and all continue to follow him and do everything he says and all that but specifically not just on a power Dynamic level that of course all teenagers want a little bit of the the bad side a little bit of the you know standing up against the man and doing whatever the [ __ ] I want like there's a little bit of that in everyone even the Brian even the Andrews you know of the world but the thing that kind of stuck out to me for some reason was like there was all this like low-level sexual tension specifically there's this one scene where we're kind of still getting introduced to the character at the beginning I'm not going to recap the summary of The Breakfast Club because there's literally no plot it's just five characters they're in Sunday school Saturday school together because they all did something different they all represent different aryes Sunday school Sunday school I wish there was a hot nun there to beat Bender with a ruler to beat 27-year-old Jud Nelson to death with a ruler I don't know if he's a bad person or not I don't know anything about him personally but um but he lights like the tip of his shoe on fire and and then like lights a cigarette inside with the tip of his boot which is admittedly kind of hot and he's just like [ __ ] He's dripped out like he's I'll I'll give it to listen I I'll give it to him I would have given it up yeah oh yes of course yes and uh but they then like pan to everyone else and Claire goes a a cheeky little like I'm too good for this but underneath maybe I could be into it which is what we get throughout which is what we get kind of throughout the film anyways but then it goes to like Anthony Michael Hall's character who like pops a boner and then like puts something in his lap to like conceal his boner and I'm like that simply could not be referring to anything other than that we're all looking at Jud Nelson right and and it goes through and Andrew's like side eyeing a little bit and so is Allison but it was but I'm like oh I'm like they all do want to have sex with him like that's a part that I didn't pick up on before because I was so focused on being pissed about the the CLA the CLA Bender relationship that they end up sort of together or whatever and the thing about the end that pisses me off is he's like well your parents use you to get back at each other so don't you want to use me isn't that decimating the entire point of the two of you finally understanding that you can be equals right that just because you come from different circles or different backgrounds that the two of you can connect as humans right isn't that the point of the movie no he's like you should use me as a pawn and do something shitty we should continue this shitty Behavior shouldn't we shouldn't we both just continue to be shitty to everyone in our lives like no nobody learns anything here no did we as an audience even learn anything which to be fair they are idiot teens so like again I think that tracks that's not a teen that's an adult man hello Jen you are here to do your interim podcast segment chocolate or vanilla but before we get into the regular decision-making game I did have a couple of questions for you so Jen is my mother and I'm not going to steal your wallet and say your date of birth address and social security number for everyone but I am going to say that you are the general right age that you were like the prime demographic when this movie came out correct this is true what year did it come out by the way 1985 okay yeah I was a junior in high school perfect so like literally you were in the marketing room like on a piece of paper and they're like how do we get this girl to watch this movie Jen was one of the first screeners yes yes and so I just had a couple of questions for you as I was watching this movie that I'm like truly the 80s was not that long ago as I have direct access to talk to somebody who lived through it and has Vivid memories of it right so this movie in general what was kind of the general reception like did people go apeshit for this yeah I I feel like it might be one of those that came became a cult classic after the oh okay yeah because I honestly don't remember like I remember going to see Star Wars I remember going to see Close Encounters I remember other movies coming out but like I don't remember it being that big a deal interesting yeah but I do remember in college like it's a go-to like Halloween costum and like yeah so a little later would you say the same thing of other John Hughes movies of like pretty pink and 16 Candles like kind of sleeper hits at the beginning that then became the hype yeah it's probably the 80s Nostalgia right yeah exactly okay then my second question which if you weren't in on the hype you know when it first came out I don't know how your perception of this would be but I was just curious did like young women generally find Emilio Estes in this movie to be like sexually viable where girls go for sexually viable are you a computer I just I just don't see it was he hot because he's hot in Mighty docks he's not hot in this I have never seen the Mighty Duck so he's he's never hot um never hot God he looks just like his father but uh I no I thought that was miscast like yeah you think he was the character was supposed to be hot and that guy is just he exudes cop energy there's just something ultimately not hot about a [ __ ] narc well he looks like he's 40 years old he was probably he wasn't more than 25 I don't think he was 23 when the movie came out so he's probably 22 when they filmed yeah he looks like he's 40 years old as opposed to uh Jud Nelson who was 40 years old no just kidding he's 26 but but that he he looked 4040 it almost distracted from Emilio Estes is 40 because of Jud Nelson was so 40 yeah I feel like um I appreciated the stereotypes but I did not identify with any of them as I think most people would agree with it's like especially as a woman they're like here are these two and then there's just so much in between and they're like you get to pick one I'm like okay I guess I'm the one with dandruff like at least at least make Alice play the flute or something put her in and or something God she's like no I'm just a compulsive liar so everything I've set up until this point can be discredited and now I get a makeover love that um but anyways I just wanted some Insider 80s perspective from Jen who we love um and Jen for chocolate or vanilla is there a theme this week um yes of course there is a theme and it is just stuff from the80s love thees um so chocolate or vanilla chocolate vanilla um chocolate um and oh so this week I put out um ice cream toppings for the staff and there were chocolate chips and white chocolate chips and the chocolate chips were gone and the white chocolate chips were still completely full and I was like oh chocolate or vanilla everybody picked chocolate as someone on team chocolate I will vouch for team vanilla that white chocolate and vanilla as a flavor are two wildly different things that should not be compared white ch is not white chocolate white chocolate is white chocolate white chocolate is [ __ ] ass other than if it's if it's with cranberries in a little macadamia nut cookie I can turn a blind eye on one instance otherwise don't put that [ __ ] [ __ ] near me I I actually had that exact thought was like well white chocolate isn't exactly vanilla but so first one leg warmers or hair scrunchies hair scrunchies I love the idea of a leg warmer but it seems kind of Impractical especially cuz they always doing it like with aerobics and I'm like girl those are just going to get in the way you're going to get sweaty were they serving a functional purpose at all no no not definitely not no definitely not yeah the the scrunchie she's putting in work she's keeping my 10 pounds of hair off the back of my neck yeah the scrunchie has definitely had plenty of eras as well um I'll go for scun for sure um next one denim or neon o um but I going to go with denim I love I will shamelessly do a Canadian tuxedo tuxedo tuxedo I will wear a denim jacket with jeans I don't give a [ __ ] I'll put a little uh a denim backpack too a jackpack anything jackpack it's a it's a durable material it's nice yeah it truly is the American classic um yeah I got to go denim it's Timeless I mean I don't own enough denim honestly I would love to have more but I don't feel like putting myself through the psychological torture of trying on jeans trying on jeans yeah yeah not going to happen I'm not there yet I buy them online used on depop Vintage because it's better quality because clothes that they make now just [ __ ] suck for some reason so yeah it disintegrates in your hands cute little vintage uh online used moment under order on your size obviously get them they do not pull past the thighs and then learn how to sew so that you can take them out and then now you have jeans that fit and a new skill um I'd rather kill myself but that ultimately learning to sew is better than trying on jeans at Marshalls I I'm just going to throw that out there fair enough fair enough I'm someone that will go to like the Levi store to do it well you ask an associate for help and they look at you and they clock you and they're like you're a 27 and I'm like [ __ ] you just looked at me and then she's right I've never had that yet but I'm sure I will so I am going to go with neon and uh sometimes I like to I wear all black a lot and I like to put on I have a pair of hot pink socks and I just feel like I have a little pop of neon that's so cute a little sneaky I love that for you Jen um let's see next one is Michael Jackson's leather jacket from be it or Prince's long purple coat from purple ring oh Prince I would say I don't know if this is a hot take Prince's fashion more iconic than MJ's fashion I don't know more iconic I think it was probably better but I think MJ yeah I think MJ probably yes fair enough um however I um in this scenario I'm thinking what I would wear um and I'm 53 I can't do a Long Jacket like that it just shrinks me even more I get swallowed so I'm going to go Michael Jackson's jacket right I will um I think both of these are amazing but I'm going to go with princes one purple jacket uh next one Phil Collins Su suio or Wham Wake me up before you go go oo two great songs I'm booking ride or die for Phil Collins me personally that's a god when you said tuxedo I was like oh cudio tuxedos yeah I was already thinking about it that's how much I love Phil Collins put on the Tarzan soundtrack and watch me weep um I think I'm going go wham on this one as much as I like Phil Collins I don't know that I know what song you're talking about but I certainly know wake me up before you go go okay I'm I'm gonna go sis studio um next one foot loose or Ferris berer I don't love either of these to be frank I think Ferris buer is a little more iconic and I certainly have seen it more times so I think I'll pick that I think I watched foot loose like once and did not ever feel the need to revisit it I love Ferris ber um that's like my sick movie or like one of those Comfort ones or something I put on in the back and I'm like folding laundry or doing the dishes um so I'll go Parris um I will go with foot loose I loved Foot Loose back in the day um next one uh Princess Bride or ET two greates um I have I have a sauce spot for et I love ET so I'm going to have to pick that but I do this is this is close and it's tough I'm going to go princess Pride on this one cuz I still like ET just freaks me out I love him I don't know he's not for me and having not seen either of those movies until like probably like the last two years or something like that I have no Nostalgia for either um and I just yeah he's he's just not my guy but that little sorry cuz he's my guy you don't get him have him know you can kill him with a hammer and I'm going to save him from the government okay that's what I was trying not to say like I relate to that stupid ass tweet that says me and my friends would have beat te with a bat um yeah no I I'm going to go for The Princess Bride and what's his name tiny little mustache I will go with ET next one Bagel Bites or Cool Ranch Doritos were both of these originating in the 80s yes ma'am oh my God iconic [ __ ] iconic [ __ ] um although I love a pizza bagel especially a mini pizza bagel very good where would we be as a country today without the Cool Ranch Dorito I cannot imagine a world in which yeah especially the one at the bottom of the bag that has all the SE that that could save me that could pull me from the ledge if you look close the seasoning is red and green I feel yeah it is the little blue dots and you're like what in the microplastics is going on here but then I'm like well just going to keep going I would actively dump out the um the dust at the bottom of the bag and snort it if that was like the last if that was the last time I was ever going to have Doritos like yeah um I couldn't imagine growing up without Cool Ranch Doritos um so definitely going to jump on that train yeah me too and when you dip them in sour cream that's also a thing that I think only our household did Jen a lot is that every sounds good though we accompanied everything with either cream cheese or sour cream really informed a lot of my eating habits to this day as I still often do both of these things pretzels in a cream cheese we called it combination obsessed obsessed it and it's so good and you know you can add a little hot sauce if you're feeling spicy but just straight up pretzels and cream cheese or the Cool Ranch Doritos specifically and sour cream yeah that sounds really good yeah really um next one is Capri Sun or toaster strudles I just had a Capri Sun the other day for like the first time in decades at the zoo yes no while I was in California and a Capri Sun specifically the Pacific cooler flavor hits hard I I don't like red of anything fruit punch too much I I don't really care for that but whatever's Blue Pacific cooler that's not even a real flavor blue the concept of blue if you can bottle that up for me yes it's a yes for me so I'll pick a capri I think I'm going to go poptarts on this one I like really grew up on Pop-Tarts those were you know if they weren't eaten before school they were a little smooshed in my bag and I would still pick them out like with my little like cup hands and nibble on them um can I ask across the board what's everyone's favorite Pop-Tart flavor you don't have to pick from just the originals that come in the BJ boxes we're talking everything you can pick ice cream sundae you can pick cookie dough you can pick the weird [ __ ] though they have root beer now that shit's not okay i' like to try it that's not okay um I if you ask okay currently currently I would have to say probably like a blueberry or a strawberry really classic but back in the day I was pounding the hot fudge sunde ones s'mores for me hatmor hated the s'mores ones that's insane something about it something about like the fudge wasn't right didn't like it that's the wrong fudge is the secret ingredient that's what makes it I I liked the brown sugar cinnamon ones but I would have to go OG strawberry and in my house so sometimes my Mom would get them with the frosting and I'm like what the hell like why would you get them without frosting that's a yeah it's still 200 calories it's just 220 calories if it has frosting like why are you robbing me of this I remember the school lunches like we were in uh school when Michelle Obama decided to reinvigorate the school lunch program which ultimately is a good thing and I think it gets too much hate of people being like Michelle Obama took away french fries like please educate yourself but I remember the unfrosted Pop-Tarts being being available at lunch and I was always like are you [ __ ] kidding me with this [ __ ] cuz now I'm not even going to eat breakfast I would if you let me have the 20 extra grams of sugar 20 grams of sugar if you allow me 200% of my daily intake of sugar at 700 a.m. in the morning in my little eight-year-old body go to hell I don't remember that yeah they started they were unfrosted and in the vending machines at our high school they put the [ __ ] unfrosted ones in there and I was like [ __ ] you but I also loved a capri son this is the last one uh running up that hill by Kate Bush or crazy train aie asorn I have a well not to be like hashtag not like other girls but I have a particular gripe that stranger things decided to use running up that hill as their Kate Bush song of choice to bring back to the cultural Zeitgeist love that for Miss Kate it should have been withering Heights I know it made sense in the context of the Season or what and that that the lyrics resonated with the character development I don't give a [ __ ] wering Heights is the superior Kate Bush song by a [ __ ] Mile and nobody's nobody's willing to say it but I am here on the swamp hot takes yeah um what what's the name of the guys who make the [ __ ] stranger things show [ __ ] you [ __ ] [ __ ] stranger things don't watch F no [ __ ] stranger things in general [ __ ] stranger things for way bigger reason than what I am addressing uh but mostly they didn't pick the Kate Bush song that I like more to Fe but I'm still going to pick I'm still going to pick uh running up that hill cuz it's still I love me some K Bush yeah I would actively Listen to Running up that hill um I would never choose to put on Crazy Train so I think that's all that need's to be said I will take Crazy Train because it was my earworm the other day and I just couldn't get out of my head fair enough I Remember Loving that one on Guitar Hero as a as a child good one yeah yeah so Jen thank you for your 80s insights on specific matters oh I did have one more question about Molly ringal specifically and her fashion choices was the way she dressed was not common correct she was sort of a the way she was dressing was that quintessentially ' 80s or was she doing something a little quirky and different was she a Trailblazer was she the person who people were emulating it I would say like they were trying to say like oh she had more money than the average girl but even just the way she dresses across a lot of the movies she was in at that time I feel like she's always kind of in like vintage a little more like old ladyish style clothes usually to convey that she's like pure and good or whatever but I was like is she sort was she sort of a style icon I wonder or again is it more retrospectively people use her as a style icon now when referencing the 8S but really in the ' 80s people weren't dressing like that you know that was my question I would I would agree with you as far as like like you look back and you say that was ' 80s but it wasn't super 80s yeah mhm yeah like if we had live footage of like a high school or something like nobody was [ __ ] dressing like that I guess that's true of all movies though anyways just wanted to pick your brain phase where I wore pencil skirts and like high heels to school I think everyone had sort of a doing too much in high school phase for sure that's very common I certainly was whipping out some wedges when I needed to be hoofing up four flight up stairs today and I would be thinking to myself girl girl invest in some sneakers it's like yeah Full Beat not demor not mindful yeah why why was I putting a full phas of foundation on I have not done that since probably my junior year yeah but anyways Jen thank you for being here we love you thank you for chocolate or vanilla and we will see you next week all right I love you guys have an awesome night love you too bye bye I did not know until now that Molly Ringwald was 16 when they shot this and of course I never really put too much thought into it and I sort of from a 2024 perspective always assume that everyone in teen high school movies is 35 right so it actually was kind of jarring to learn the ages like I say like Jud Nelson being 26 is high but like legit they have 35 year olds playing high schoolers sometimes so like 26 I think Greece 20 yeah 26 is not that offensive um yeah all of Glee Ali shady and Amelia estet are at the same age and they were both around 22 when this filmed um and Anthony Michael Hall and Molly Ringwald are the same age and they were both around 16 uh 16 17 you know when this filmed and I was looking into this and I didn't know too much about Molly ringal as a celebrity as a actress other than that she was this very iconic 8s character so I sort of looked into it a little bit and and I found some quite interesting articles that she herself wrote around the 20177 time the the sort of launch of the me too movement she um sort of put out these articles explaining I guess she had sort of a Hiatus from Hollywood for a while after this very iconic era of her playing these young women in ' 80s movies and then she sort of left and she moved to France and she got married and she wasn't acting a ton really well I just knew her from Secret Life of the American Teenager well and so then you know a little bit older as an adult she comes back and now she's in stuff all the time she's in the bear she's in a lot of TV shows she's very she's a working actress yeah she plays the AA she plays the AA leader she's only in a couple episodes but when Cari goes to like AA to understand his brother more she's like the yeah I was like oh clock clocked mly Ringwald um but yeah she's she's working she's doing fine as far as I can tell but I was reading these articles that she had wrote and the relationship between her and John Hughes while not explicitly inappropriate is certainly something kind of weird about about it because he it feels Sinister so he wrote the script of The Breakfast Club and he pitched it and they were like sure let's start some like test casting and he sees a photo of Molly rigwald and immediately then writes the script of 16 Candles because he's like I need to meet that girl in that picture because I just wrote a movie about her weird weird Behavior to me hate that and he's like yeah you just like look like a [ __ ] whose uh family would forget her birthday like like what a [ __ ] weird what a weird thing like yeah I saw your picture and I just I knew that everyone would be forgetting your birthday but so he sort of he finds her right and and then that movie gets made first and he she becomes sort of his Muse and she openly admits that their working relationship was fairly professional it was very fatherdaughter but she was his Muse in a way because he then proceeded to have her be at the front of his first three big movies and and that's why this whole sort of John Hughes speaking on behalf of the uncomfortable teen girl Community is is a little bit odd to me and he sort of did the same thing with Anthony Michael Hall as well because he sort of got him red in and he also sort of served as he's also in 16 candles and he served as this Muse kind of character to be the Catalyst for the Misunderstood geeky guy which John Hughes obviously kind of had a little bit of himself in there but then when both of those actors wanted to move on of course because by that point they're like I'm entering my 20s I I did these high school movies when I was 16 17 18 let's start doing adult [ __ ] uh and maybe I want to walk with a director who's not you John love you but let's I'm a working actor he [ __ ] he something happened and they didn't get work right because he felt this weird ownership over them which this is not explicitly in writing anywhere but this is incredibly what it seems like right because they say to him I want to move on which a good Mentor menty relationship is like yes I want to help you let's yes of course like yes I put you like I I've built you up I've gotten you this far this is what I can do for you let's push you beyond this or John even how about you just write a movie about adults right take these two kids and be like oh let's write U Let's do let's do a uh St El's fire right let's let's do something about people who are age appropriate for you but I guess Anthony melal was offered the role of Ferris berer and he was like no I'm ready to do other things and really had so much trouble getting work cuz he they both like you know quote unquote wronged John Hughes and now they can get work so and then um that's so nasty also I couldn't imagine Anthony Michael Hall playing Ferris no no so it would be a completely different movie yeah insane maybe Cameron but Jesus Christ um but I also in those articles she also details her experience working with Harvey W Stein and she also details several instances of being sexually assaulted on Hollywood sets in her Young an of she's like she's like yeah me and everyone else she's like now I'm just publishing it in the New Yorker because I feel like I should and specifically she talks about showing her 10-year-old daughter this movie I'll post the link to the article in the description cuz there's actually a fairly interesting read as someone who didn't know a lot about like the culture and the history surrounding her in this movie but she her 10-year-old daughter was like Hey all my friends have seen it and you're in it and she's like your 10-year-old friends have seen that movie like it's kind of adult but she's like I guess if we watch it together yeah and I'm there to sort of explain things to you like sure she's like yeah as I was watching it with my daughter she's like I hadn't really Revisited or like thought about it a ton since I made it but she's like but watching it with my daughter I thought to myself like a lot of this [ __ ] in this movie is really not chill like it's like not really a cool thing and she was like remembering the way that being on set made her feel really uncomfortable with like the upskirt panty shot she's like even though they had a body double be the the panties even somebody pretending to be me in that scenario made me as a teen so uncomfortable and I could imagine that imagine you're 16 they're like we're going to bring in this 30-year-old uh in a thong to do the upskirt shot that's supposed to be you of course right I mean everyone's like even if it's not her everyone's projecting that of yes of course and she said she's like yeah my daughter asked me and I and I talked to her about it and then we sort of just moved on but it reminded me of how uncomfortable it made me feel as a 16-year-old extremely uncomfortable mhm which is that's like which is why I can complain so much about 35 year- olds playing high schoolers But ultimately I do think like let's you know not don't make kids work 50-hour days and do weird [ __ ] and you can you can just have 18year olds playing 16y olds that's fine that's probably even like a little sleazy then but you know what I mean even 22 amilio Estes he looked too old but I'll give it a pass God oh my Ken can we talk about his performance yeah it's bad it's really bad it's really bad um he plays it in a way that um it's like the acting that someone actually does in their High School play I wrote down that this it's exactly that that this feels like a video this whole movie almost at any given moment you could take a clip and play it to a health class and you play it and then you pause and you say Okay kids so we're going to break down this interaction what should Claire have said here's an example of the wrong way to do this but the way that they're acting sometimes is like hey I'm bullying you oh no oh absolutely victim and then like pause and like a little cartoon of like a tiger pops up and it's like here's what could have happened it felt very like high school health class anti-bullying seminar acting level from him a total after school special entirely entirely um yeah I also just want to throw in that it's absolutely psychotic that Andrew admitted to being like yeah I just beat this kid up because I kind of felt like it honestly I feel like absolutely mind you mind you this is the second most psychotic thing um because the first psychotic thing um in my opinion is him hotboxing um a room to himself smoking weed um and he ends up running around semi dancing semi- doing gymnastics all around the top of the library which is the last thing that you would ever want to do after just like facing a joint to yourself in my opinion in my opinion it was g in my opinion it was giving um that performance that alpacino gave in cruising where he does poers and he kind of like starts acting like he's having a seizure like he just did like an insane amount of like you could just tell like he he didn't know what poppers did this it's the same it's the same performance let alucino do poppers get some poppers for real that's what you need to go method on do the drug for real right Emelio es has I don't or John Hughes has never smoked weed in his life if this is what he's writing no I think that that man was ripping fat lines I think that that man I think he was in the coke riddle days of the 80s and he doesn't even remember writing the scripts to any of these movies um he's dead so we can say whatever we want about him uh rest in peace rest in peace John Hughes I don't really know I my opinion not so much I'll just say I'll I'll just say rest rest rest John Hugh he's resting that's that's a fact you can't hear for facts that is a fact that John Hughes is dead um I thought you were going to say that the most the most wild thing because all the kids in this very touching moment they they all smoke the saddest little personal joints of probably the worst skunk weed the most mid weed uh ever they all and then they're suddenly like well now we understand each other because we're all going to pretend to be high because you're not high like none of those kids actually in that situation none of those kids are yeah he did not have enough smoke from that sad baby joint to HotBox the computer lab sir yeah exactly but I thought they all then decide to reveal what they did to get put in there and that's sort of the big the big deep conversation moment where we're going to we're going to all sit in the circle and and really get down to the nitty-gritty we're really understand each other yeah we're going to expose ourselves but then we're also going to wrap it back around to we don't like our parents they all dads specifically D dad issues across the board uh Brian's mom seemed also kind of not chill right we saw her in the car with the sister for like a hot second I think think yeah right but also I feel like that's something that like it was a pretty reasonable portrayal of like my mom is this the first time or the yeah is the first time or the last time we were going to do this yeah like come on I would Whi that one out if I had a kid who was acting up I would that's kind of a classic exactly it's kind of fire but uh [ __ ] Andrew is like yeah I just uh [ __ ] beat this kid up and literally like beat yeah I beat this guy to a PO within an inch of his life and all my friends thought it was hilarious and the whole time I was like my dad is going to love this and I also sex and by the way I also sexually assaulted him so yep and now in retrospect I think that was maybe not cool and everyone's like yeah man not cool and they all sort of move on okay but then but then Anthony Michael Hall Anthony Michael Hall is like yeah one up I brought a gun to school uh wild wild thing to just drop out of nowhere I am obsessed that in 1980 it's it was a flare gun but I'm still going to call it a firearm it's a firearm this this teenager brought a firearm it does shoot fire it it went off in his locker and that's why he was in Saturday school but M he brought a gun to school and got Saturday school whereas the opening sequence of this film showing us this gorgeous school they go to beautiful Library so jealous they're all complaining I'm like you all clearly live in an affluent ass area because this this public school phenomenal um but he's like they're showing the school and they show a computer lab and it says hackers will be expelled I love that so 8s if you try to hack in the computer lab don't even think about it you're out of here bucko but if you bring a firearm to school that is a Saturday school that's just one that's one detention sry about it I mean it's that that's basically still the rule today so well no because when we had bomb threats at our school all the kids who had drugs in their lockers do you remember all of them going to try to flush their [ __ ] cuz they're like they're getting the bomb dogs in here we're all like you idiots the bomb dogs can't smell weed yes they can everyone was like no don't worry about it that the dogs are sniffing for bombs not for weed you're going to be fine man what the hell what yeah I do remember that was crazy we did yeah we did have a bomb threat in it was like I remember that very vividly was Spanish class and unfortunately I think this that is something that too many people can relate to going to school in America that sort of normalized like that shouldn't be a thing um but but yeah I was yeah I I I shouldn't have to practice lockdown drills for when Anthony Michael Hall brings a gun to school oh my God when he I'm like why were you going to do it in front of everyone like let's extrapolate on that buddy why why was the school at the location you you know who had a better plan than him Becky and Glee Oh my God stop is this going to become a Glee podcast at some point honestly eventually I mean we should probably do a a bonus episode for Glee eventually there's a movie but it's like the live concert movie so it's not nearly as good I don't care for that no I think I think if anyone out there wants us to cover a specific episode of Glee message us the season and episode number and I will highly consider if you're like if you really want us to do like the Willy Wonka one that one will make me cry actually I don't I would will be sobbing so off no I'm not I'm not doing that I'll do Britney Britney yeah if youly do Britney Britney we really want you guys to do the Blame It On the Alcohol episode I'll be like all right you got all right you Lally the best literally the best weird weird fun fact weird lore is that our Middle School music teacher his daughter was on the first season of the Glee project and she like came to our school a couple of times and yeah she came like third or fourth or something um and she would like come around to like sign all the show choire kids [ __ ] [ __ ] because she was on the Glee project she didn't win though and I don't know what she did after but her like youngest brother was like close to our age and I was like that's crazy your older sister was involved in that wild the 2000s wild times men um can I ask you what do you think about the stupid ass song hey hey you can always you can already infer that I hate it I hate it yeah well CU it's a bad song I hate almost everything about this movie and I also just hate when people tell me that I have to like something that they are like hey you've never seen this but you have to see it first of all [ __ ] you I don't have to see anything but but I like to talk about [ __ ] right so maybe I'll watch it for cultural conversation points right but don't tell me I have to like it now I'm not going to like it and I actually I like to reverse participate in that this by doing this EX to other people so that they will hate watch and then hate something because sometimes hating something is as fun as liking something I'm a hater I'll say it sometimes I'll tell people I'm like oh my God you have to watch it and you you have to like it OB objectively objectively you have to like it and I'm like you're going to go home and you're going to [ __ ] hate this [ __ ] because I told you you have to like it because when I'm told I have to like something I'm like guess what and I'm going to hate it even more you are very much that you do that with TV a lot well yes what does that say now let's uh let's smoke a baby joint and and just get down to the real [ __ ] let's talk about how my dad is really the source of this problem no I'm [ __ ] chilling my dad I don't like I would be normal as [ __ ] I would be Anthony Michael Hall shouts out Gary I would be Anthony Michael Hall I'd be like guys we have an essay do we have a thousand words this assignment this principal who is a problematic figure why do all why do all adults have to be like such bumbling idiots in order for the teens to like be uplifted to get their Revenge I'm like he doesn't have to be that dumb but yeah I guess we do have the wise janitor a sort of a foil right we have evil vice principal what's his name whatever Mr Miyagi and then like chill chill janitor guy uh which is kind of nice like Stan I think Carl think that was his name Carl Carl it was Carl Carl the CH janitor who I will be marrying and [ __ ] Mary kill later of course what was I saying no idea bumbling idiots not sure um can I interject though oh that this no that this assignment that he gives them right he at the very beginning he's like you're going to be here for N9 hours for some reason is's like you're going to be here all day and I just need you to write a thousand words and what's the prompt like who do you think you are or some vague [ __ ] like that you tell me who you think you are or something and I'm sure from a teacher's perspective that's like the most basic ass what did you do on your summer vacation essay prompt right literally gives me a thousand words to prove that you know how to write competent sentences and that's going to be good enough and at the end they're like we're all going to go make out and the nerd is going to write the essay for us the reinforcing that we didn't learn anything this movie and he writes this [ __ ] hash owned ass essay where he's like this is who we really transcended boundaries today and I'm like this guy how want to see us I'm like this [ __ ] was looking for like I live at this address with my parents I have a sister uh like who do I think I am Let's Get Down brass taxs right basic basic ass facts this is what he's looking for not a nobody was asking you to have a psychological breakthrough today sure it's just attention did you ever have did you ever get in trouble in school I got suspended very the senior year well yes I meant like I meant like detention type trouble but no did they even give out detention in our school we had in school suspension and then we also I don't know if I was never close enough to trouble to know if we had Saturday school but I know you also had summer school but that was more for the kids who didn't pass that was less of a yeah I didn't do good enough on mcast and they sent me to Saturday school like my freshman year I think it's more of an academic thing than a behavior thing for sure exactly yeah I well no cuz I was I was so good yeah right up till the end and then they said you're drunk at prom and I said yes I am yes ma'am um yes sir my my husband got sent his freshman year our freshman year we were all in high school together um he got sent to in school suspension which was just a room that you sh in because he and a friend were like fake play fighting and a teacher took it very seriously and they both they both were like no we were just play fighting they're like this is not something to be so this was something that he then had to why does this feel like the psych teacher right no it wasn't her but I know who you're talking about it could have been um and he got sent and he then had to explain on his college applications it was like if your transcript indicates any in school suspensions please extrapolate on that now and he had to like write to write [ __ ] a thousand words of like this was the situation please do not penalize me for it it was a misunderstanding and I was also 14 years old and now I'm offering to give you a lifetime debt worth of money to you know go to your educational institution please forgive me so weird I I remember him asking me like hey like how do you think I should word this and me being like this is weird as [ __ ] that they're like please justify this trouble you got in one time um but he had to go to in school suspension which was just the for the rest of the school day you sit in a room with a teacher and you don't and you don't do nothing they were like you can read or do homework but don't talk and that was it and I was like yeah that seems accurate I guess so strange yeah very very odd um yeah no I I never got any of that um uh I did want to ask if you think that we have a movie that will sort of be almost equivalent to this where it's very culturally referenced and um I don't know not as good as people think it is um yeah you opposed this to me earlier and honestly I think my I understanding of this question has shifted since our conversation with Jen um before chocolate or vanilla where she sort of got into that from her perspective as an ' 80s teen was that this movie was not like hitting that this wasn't like a breakthrough cultural moment until a little later where it was more yeah like a Nostalgia thing right it was like oh like this movie really did capture so I don't think you can identify a cult classic until it's already there yeah that's the hard thing cuz I I thought I assumed that this was like popular from the junk that made that made me assume I my answer for this was going to be Barbie oh but I feel like I have to retract that but I also think Barbie is already a reference of something right whereas this movie exactly exactly an original that was doing something I will admit has a lot of great moments that can be easily parody this movie is about 50/50 movie to Montage you could watch this movie in two segments the first is the film without montages that's 35 minutes then only the montages and it's another 35 minutes and they [ __ ] knew what they were doing because anyone can parody that [ __ ] you have any group of five people and you have them dancing funny and and you and it's The Breakfast Club reference right it's sort of the Tik Tock of today of like doing something that other people can emulate in a way that's instantly recognizable um which I think is really hard and I think that's sort of the key to a lot of important or popular media now it's like what can be easily reproduced and copied to make uh yeah sort of quote unquote like relatable so I don't really know it's hard to say you know you think about movies now like I think like first one that comes to mind is like Bottoms right is bottoms going to be this like queer cult classic or will it fizzle out I don't know I have no concept I don't think anyone knows um fair enough I just know what I like and what I don't like but I I did I will commend this movie for I think all the chase sequence and dancing sequence at one point I'm like didn't we already see this didn't we already see them dance and I'm like I I'm I don't even know where I am anymore how many montages can we do but hey because when I saw Victorious and I was yeah 12 or whatever and watched that episode of Victorious I had never even seen The Breakfast Club but I [ __ ] knew what they were referencing I knew the cultural touch point that they were that is how ubiqui is that this you know movie became so yeah I I I really have no idea of of what could grow to that point I'm interested to see also with the sort of uh shortening of the cultural attention span how soon will the you know the turn of something in made in the 80s then gets a little more iconic in the 9s redone and rebooted and culturally referenced to death to the point where it's then no longer relevant by the 2010s that's like a good 30e span of time right now do we get that whole cycle in like couple years now maybe I don't know probably yeah I also I know cuz the the thing that I could say like at this point that has become sort of cult classic the closest thing to a cult classic for us I think is Jennifer's Body maybe like Mo like most recently made yeah cult classic like yes yeah like yeah perhaps so I I also think that there is this sort of modern uh less of a cultural grasp and understanding surrounding the humor of satire and parody I think a lot of people know again with the shortened detention span that things have to be presenting themselves at face value to people all the time in order to be noticed and so things like satire and and parody that are a little more subtle or have more layers to it or you know you have to have some sort of deeper reading or understanding to really get the joke I think that's being lost on a lot of people I think that style of Comedy is really fizzling out which is really unfortunate because I think that's some of the funniest [ __ ] that's some of the the best kind of comedy and I see or attempts at it are being less and less good nowadays um I don't really know where that stems from other than just like the Jimmy Fallon yeah I guess the the late night talk show it's Jimmy Fall's fault on all of it I just hold him personally responsible for most things so but I think a lot of people now don't understand like sarcasm and you think you understand sarcasm because you're like oh yeah I'm see like Ryan Reynolds right Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool I think is the perfect example of what people consider to be a sarcastic character I need that man shot I don't even get me started with the it ends with us breast horror drama dead I'm obsessed with how messy they are I love that people are starting to think that they're Sinister because we've been saying that [ __ ] they Sinister Plantation slugs but I think the Marvel the Marvel humor the Marvel humor of it all is people think now that like Tony Stark being like yeah you bet I'm a billionaire philanthropist Playboy they think that that is like sarcasm and that's not what that is right there's just a fundamental misunderstanding and shift in like that sort of style of humor um which I think then affects parody right people parodying stuff which I think was an important part of the legacy of The Breakfast Club is how often it got parodied so if we're no longer uh effectively making parody of stuff then it doesn't get remembered as much because we're no longer referencing it so that's my that's my I hate The Breakfast Club but I love Victoria Justice yeah Victor Justice we could play [ __ ] maryu we could do the vice principal the janitor and thenan the abstract concept of any of their parents who we hear about through a lot of dialogue but don't really see cuz like I'm going to kill Bender's dad obviously I'm sure that guy sucks or I could like I could that's another thing that I felt like all of these kids were missing is the fundamental grasp of when somebody is mean to you and it's like are you a virgin tell me you're a virgin be like no I'm not I [ __ ] your mom you know just be be aggressive back to the aggressor that's another thing I felt uh disconnect with the 80s of especially coming from Claire the like more Demir of like I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of a response I'm just going to turn my nose up and look away I think we need to be teaching the mod to be like [ __ ] you I [ __ ] your mom don't [ __ ] ask about me you [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] make them feel weird for bringing it up just own don't act embarrassed just be like why are you trying to make me feel embarrassed that's weird of you right that's what you should be pulling on vendor Claire that's what I see for you exactly um yeah Andrew we don't even need to play [ __ ] Mary kill I'll marry the cool jator I'll kill everyone's parents with the flare gun speaking of killing people this is not uh chill but I I was interested I was like it wouldn't it be a fun silly little segment if for the movie we watched I found the most disgusting fanfiction just the most runchy off the beat and path [ __ ] and I was like and what if I read a little segment I'm like that could be really fun right and so I I'm sure this there's plenty of this well you think right but no only normies write fanfiction about The Breakfast Club because I go on to fanfiction.net and I nothing gay only about the heterosexual only about the heterosexual couples established in the film I was trying to find some like Anthony Michael Hall and Jud Nelson fanfiction about like the the freak and the nerd I was like oh let me find something runchy about them like [ __ ] in the broom closet to like pull a segment from just cuz I thought it would be funny could not find a scrap and it was almost all of the Fanfictions cuz who's wasting their time on this dog [ __ ] all of them were about what if Anthony Michael character then later does kill himself and they all have to attend his funeral later and they have to reconnect and rekindle their friendship at his funeral I was like what is this premise no let's let the boy live let him go to college let him go to MIT or something why does he have to always be killing himself you can watch that movie that movie's called The Big Chill and I would say that's the followup to this well yes film personally I think The Big Chill is a fantastic movie um especially for the'80s uh and freaking young Jeff gold Bloom Jesus Christ um love that movie love that soundtrack um and we're going to be tentatively I think covering it on the patreon yeah shouts out to our own patreon follow the link in the description below for $286 we're going to talk about The Big Chill which I've never seen and you really like so I'm excited to do that and we're going to talk about hot de I know season 2 finale was a while ago but I still want to talk about it so we're going to talk a little I've still got plenty to say we're still going to do a little hot D episode for yall so if you want to check that out neither of those are out yet but they will uh this month if you want to subscribe to the patreon also if you want to see my copy bar shirt that I'm wearing from the San Diego Zoo we post the video versions of these uh on the patreon as well not to do all my wrap-up stuff already because regularly scheduled programming what are oh you said what you were going to follow it up with I my answers were pretty bad I think you should watch the Victorious episode this really want to revisit the episode of Victorious that basically one to one parallels this entire movie I think brilliant uh my other answer was Pitch Perfect because they they have a big breakfast club referential song moment uh in that movie and I find that movie to be a lot more bearable than this one which is saying a lot cuz it's a movie about college Acappella a movie about klege a capella is more tolerable to me than this uh so yeah that yeah speaks volumes um and what you going to eat and drink so this F I was like if you're going to have a party for this awful movie you have to be balling hard and so then I they don't even eat breakfast they eat lunch so I was like what did they all bring for lunch and I'm like you could get a high-end spread based on what everyone has but then I was like no it's The Breakfast Club so what if we like breakfast aied everyone's lunch so Allison she does that weird [ __ ] where she like pours the pixie sticks onto the sandwich and like crushes it with some Captain Crunch and stuff I don't know about all that but I know the Australians have something called fairy toast which is when you like put sugar on like a toast but I also think you could just Elevate that to like a a decadent French toast a cinnamon sugary absolutely toast right so we're going there with that uh sexy Andrew is eating like a turkey like six turkey sandwiches or something I just think we're we're banging out he would want a bacon egg and cheese on like a on a big fat roll like a bulky Roll Just aoll a dummy thick egg sandwich for Andrew uh what's his name Anthony Michael Hall's lunch didn't really stand out to me but he had soup um so what is breakfast soup but orange juice so we're going to throw that into the mix I guess and then Claire's lunch was Sushi sush and then what is breakfast Sushi I don't know bagel and locks bagel and locks brilliant absolutely brilliant you f that in for me and then I think you should also everyone at the party gets the saddest skinniest individually uh rolled joint of the worst skunk weed that you can find you are not getting this from a dispensary you are getting this from an Alleyway and you're and you're going to smoke them inside you're going to smoke them inside and no one's going to get high and that's what I think you should do while you watch your Victorious episode I guess what about you for food and drink not bad um again I took um I referenced the lunch scene and I had to sit back and think what did I bring for lunch in middle school high school type thing um and I think that you can easily play off of that for me I remember very distinctly um probably in like the eighth grade it was around the time that Nutella boomed popping off popped off popped off um yeah it was a whole big thing and I remember vividly I would go this isn't a lunch I don't know who thought this was okay for me to bring this to sustain myself um for like six plus hours after the day cuz I was doing after school activities I would just put Nutella on some tortillas and call it a day roll it up roll it up like that little joint that you're about to smoke inside the Library oh yeah to this day I'll I'll run a [ __ ] up tortilla to this day because of the habits I built in Middle School cream cheese on a tortilla rolled up real tight in a pinch it gets the job done exactly um so I I was thinking you know how can I Elevate that that's just a crepe yes it's a crepe love and guess what that's a and that's a fabulous breakfast meal um yeah so I think you make like a really nice stack of like sexy Nutella crepes um and I was thinking about what I drank in high school um liquor wise which was just fedka and like lemonade or something um I think you just make yourself a screwdriver because a mimosa is not strong enough for this movie mhm when and the the the true fallacy of this film was not making Allison actually weird like everything she said was a lie so she's like I drink vodka and I'm hard but I'm like that girl in high school was drinking vodka and she was going hard like I believe oh yeah I I believe women and I believe Allison and even if she says it's not true I know that that girl has a warm bottle of absolute under her bed because her and I were friends okay yep yep exactly friends yeah um and what are you going to give this movie I'm going to give it a [Music] two uh I'll give it a four I'm a hater I love to be a hater um iconically even if it's just for the bit even if I'm hating it more because hating it makes people mad that makes me want to hate it more uh maybe that's performative of me I don't care I don't like this movie I don't like John Hughes if you think that's okay I'm sorry you just had to listen to us Yap um but also thank you for staying this long as I was going on my rant about uh sarcasm and the misunderstanding of a lot of humor I I think a lot of it comes from the length of conversation that can be had on social media effectively and I sometimes don't think that Tik Tok or Twitter or whatever is an effective place to actually talk about [ __ ] because you just have to say the most aggressive eye-catching thing first and at the top to get your [ __ ] out there right which isn't always the best way to talk about stuff so thank you for being here an hour into a podcast where not to say we talked about anything more important today but I just enjoy this a lot more than I enjoy be feeling like I'm being bombarded with really intense [ __ ] all the time so thanks for being here friends I love you all swamp Nation we don't really have a name for Swamper I was trying to make Swamper happen for a while but I don't think so we can do swamp Nation because I feel like Britney brosi has Broski Nation if anyone has a good name for swamp listeners let me know three years into it I don't know what to call you guys just my besties honestly the homies our friends thank you um for being here we love you thank you for sticking around for 80s month and next week will be another movie from the 80s believe it or not yeah goodbye and good night