we got to talk about working with Christopher no we got to talk about Dark Knight gotta talk about dark right so because that's coming off of or right around yeah it's coming off of Lost after that's after lost so you um really as I mentioned to you I heard the journey and you get this role on Lost and it kind of reignites or kind of really pushes you in the Forefront of your career and tell me about getting the role in The Dark Knight and then when you're getting this role cuz you and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your wife was was involved in Batman in some way or another too am I wrong she she voiced a character in the cartoon uh Inc she voiced in so she did voiceover work okay so yeah we we have some Batman in our family you know she was Inc I was Batman well uh I I this you'll like maybe I was a really bad Batman when I was starting out here at a birthday party yeah and I remember this is like one of those you know one of the jobs that like a buddy of mine was doing it he was doing birthday parties and I was like he's like you're doing it he goes yeah they PR pretty well they tip you well and I go okay great I maybe I should give it a crack and you got to learn balloon animals and all this stuff and I was horrible at that party and I almost left in tears and they made the kids made fun of my utility anyway it was a disaster so I I had to somehow redeem myself if it wasn't Batman well is hopefully to get on one of Chris Nolan's amazing movies um but the way that worked out is I auditioned I auditioned for Chris I'll tell you what happened this is actually quite interesting and hopefully this you know this appeals to people outside of the business as well in terms of you know how things work you know and how life can you know you know give you C balls and and and expected surprises but I had done a movie called uh smoke and Aces yeah you know and and um it hadn't been released but um but it was a really interesting character that I had never played before this uh and so then I went on and I got lost and then uh while I was doing lost uh yeah I had this audition come in and it was for you know Chris noan movie I I I had like one night to work on it you know the next morning I was there reading for Chris and Emma uh his wife and uh and producer and um and I thought it went okay and and you know and you know and but I didn't know and then I didn't hear anything uh I said ah well obviously didn't happen and then I was in the jungle in Hawaii in aahu um shooting a scene with Michael erson and I happen to have my it was a flip phone at the time my flip phone and for whatever reason I decided to look at it and it was it was a call from my manager and I go I wonder what he wants and he's like hey so they want to see tape on you for Chris no's movie this is like three months after I read and then I go really I go for what movie though because I figured it they already shot it whatever right he goes the Batman movie The Dark Knight and then I go really wow I didn't I thought that was gone he goes no so I said well why don't you see if we can get tape from smoke and Aces from Joe Carnahan who directed it at Universal because that's the most recent stuff and so they were able Joe carahan kindly was able to release those scenes to to Chris noan and the next day I got the offer so so it's just wild how things you know can work out and you know um and when in you know in the most unexpected places