[Music] and good evening everybody welcome on in to another edition of the wild Nation Roundup long time no see Mr Brad Reed I feel like we were just here it does seem just that way but we are here with a special anything happened lately a special emergency edition of the wow Nation Roundup as we've had a a rather wild 24 hours or roughly 24 hours I do believe we finished up recording last night um you know I did a couple things around the house I remember sitting down on the couch at 9:30 p.m. I do believe is when it was and then the Ross delinger bomb hits saying oh my goodness four teams from the Mountain West have reached a deal with the pack two the Pack 12 whatever you want to call them we'll call them the Pack 12 that's what they want to be called apparently we'll get more into that well numbers are hard yes numbers are hard and uh and then just timeline wise then I woke up in the morning and everybody was reporting that all the schools were going to announce and they did at roughly 7 a.m. this morning every school announced their move from the Mountain West to the Pack 12 and so that's what happens this day and age right when news gets leaked they have to move up their timelines these cretinous little bastards I I I would say cretinous little bastards is probably doing them a uh doing them a large favor uh I you know and I I saw I saw something from the Boise State athletic director today that was something along the lines of like like this has been in the works for a couple of weeks and really started to come together in the last couple of days okay like Tuesday night type thing interesting so yeah I just saw a quick thing about it today but I hope that U has not been caught compl completely flat-footed in this whole thing or Gloria narez in the Mountain West I hope she has not been caught completely flat footed by this whole thing yeah and that is that but it would not surprise me if they have been caught flat footed by this whole thing that seems to be the Mountain West ammo over the last 20 years that is the question of the day so welcome on in everybody to the show we see you um watching on Twitter we see Kaylee Palmer thank you thank you we'll get to your comment so thenk thank you and you can send your chats in on Twitter and on YouTube there we will see them and we'll try to get to everybody but yeah a lot to talk about so in case you've been in a cave this is what went down Boise State Fresno State San Diego State and Colorado State have all announced that they have accepted um invitations to what they're calling the Pack 12 even though they really only have two schools right now currently Washington State and Oregon State and I do have some a couple little tidbits that I got from the Cheyenne radio station that you'll love to hear um but yeah Ross Dinger from Yahoo who's pretty much on the ball was tracking this sucker next morning it comes out true L we should call those Ros tosses Ros tosses what you know you got you got you know W bombs you got whatever maybe this is a Ross toss a Ross toss okay I don't know it doesn't quite do it for me but it's something okay it's something oh man um I guess we'll just start with something that I saw on the board now I thought of this too but when I go to wild.com there's actually a great thread people were actually very eloquent I don't know if you went there people had a lot of great points I haven't been there since this morning but the thread to that time was amazing and so let's remember how we got to this point massive conference red Lin in the power five which is now the power four two schools were left with their pants down and that was Washington State and Oregon State literally nobody wanted them literally nobody because they didn't get invited they didn't get an invite everybody else in the Pack 12 got invites including what Cal and Stanford going to the ACC inexplicably yes which is ridiculous um and so Washington and Oregon State basically were completely screwed and then who came to the rescue Brad I think that was uh glor Novar is at the Mountain West yes the Mountain West so without the help of the Mountain West Oregon State and Washington state would not have been able to field football teams this year because they wouldn't have been able to put together enough games to have a team and so the Mountain West throws him a bone and this is how we're treated so someone on the board put it this way uh it's kind of funny they said it' be like if you found a wounded grizzly bear and you took him to your cabin and you know patched them up and you know fed them make sure he's alive and then one morning you wake up and he decides to eat you that's exactly what happened to the Mountain West this morning is they took in the grizzly bear they've got him back up to health and then the grizzly bear snapped and decided to eat you it's like the it's like the guy that had a hippo as a pet and then the hippo eventually killed him because you know it's a big animal hippos are like the most deadly animal in the world believe it or not yeah um a lot of great stuff I see Sheridan Sports is on there yeah you're into questions we'll get to so we'll show all your stuff thank you for your comments we'll we'll get to them um yeah here we go Matthew I'm glad to see that everybody else kind of has the same uh thinking points that we do in that yeah what the hell is next yep and we'll get that still no one wants them yes so again nobody wanted Washington or state Oregon State in fact the Mountain West right so the easiest thing for this whole thing would have been just for the to do whatever right I understand obviously they're very keing on keeping this pack 12 name for whatever reason Washington State and Oregon State and the other note is they're driving the train well it's money but it's not that much money we'll get into it Washington State Oregon State presidents are driving this train they are the ones who basically hand selected these four Mountain West schools um again we'll get into some of that like okay what is their goal here right um but nobody wanted them the Mountain West didn't even want to invite them as members apparently that would have been the easiest thing in the world to do and again I don't know why that didn't happen I'm guessing now maybe the Mountain West wish they did but I think it sounds like Washington State and Oregon State thought they were way more marketable than they are and so it led to this they've gotten the ear of these four schools and and it is TV money um I'll let you do some talking as I pull out some research that somebody sent me I was gonna say they had a September 1 deadline of yes the Mountain West in the pack two they had a September 1 deadline of to extend either to extend the deal or join the conference a conference you know however that may shape up yeah and that deadline came and went and no one was things for status quo basically right yeah so you yeah oh boy dogs in the background having a fit you're good I hear he's all right I don't know what he's doing anyway so you know the September 1 deadline came and went nothing happened uh I I would assume that Washington State Oregon State kind of started to panic at that point just like all right what the hell are we going to do for 2025 2026 and so on and uh yeah I guess this was their uh plan was to just poach the Mountain West the interesting thing is I think the scheduling agreement is still in place for next season 2025 because these teams wouldn't leave till the 2026 season if you're the remaining Mountain West schools at this point you got to hit the eject lever on that right like um well actually no I think the they had the the September first Dead was to extend the deal another year and they haven't so we will not be playing those we won't be playing those two schools next year that's my understanding now that could have been bad reporting but that's what I heard last week is that nope Mountain West said we're not helping you yeah hopefully that's hopefully that's the true yeah I was goingon to go out to FBS schedules and see if they had the schedules for next year posted yet yeah because I heard that Washington State Oregon State we're now scrambling to fill a schedule for next year because right everybody's schedules are full because they schedule football so they're in a lot of trouble and so maybe they took exception to that and decided to do what they had to do I don't know it's an extremely good possibility uh yeah when Washington State's next schedule next year has Idaho San Diego State North Texas Virginia and Washington so yeah that's what I read that they only had four or five games a piece yes so even then they still don't have a full schedule and neither does Oregon State um yeah yep so if you're looking at this as a TV deal um I have this article that has the TV number of eyeballs that watched games last year and they've actually selected two schools that Wyoming outdrew tvwise which is pathetic considering Wyoming's got the smallest population in the country um both Fresno State and San Diego State are well below or not well below but they're below Wyoming TV last year so again if we're talking about this as a TV play I just don't see it because none of these schools other than Boise right Boise's a flagship a national recognition everybody knows Boise State but Fresno State San Diego State and Colorado State they really don't have fan bases that travel far outside of their little areas to be honest you could make the argument San Diego State probably has one of the worst fan bases in the Mountain West yeah like there there's just so many other teams you know their basketball team has a huge following uh you know they've been very successful obviously but you know for San Diego State football they built a brand new stadium do they even fill it no I mean they scaled down considerably from when they were playing at Qualcomm but you know as far as Football goes they may have one of the smaller fan bases in the conference San Jose State maybe probably they probably don't have a huge following either just because of the number of FBS teams that surround them too sure you know it just seems like the Pack 12 is just kind of grabbing the second fiddle of all these schools that once were the Pack 12 not even second fiddle in the case of you know San or San Diego State you know they're grabbing you know probably the third or fourth most popular in Southern California so yeah so it's interesting so if their idea is TVs I don't see how they're going to get much of a deal now I do have a little more information um kfpc out of Cheyenne I think the owner is is I know his name is Montgomery is it Dave mcgomery I want to say he said on the air that he talked to his people right and he's been around forever and he said that he thinks their best case scenario is to get a deal maybe a little better than the AAC which might pay them about $7 million a year for TV which is only two or three million more than the Mountain West right so I mean to pull this move to make a couple extra million dollars best case scenario really makes no sense um other things he said hold on here um was that Boise state is also getting a sweetheart deal like they had in the Mountain West they're going to make they're going to get make more money than those other three schools and they're going to be able to dictate and they're going to be able to dictate their terms instead of right because I think Boise kind of like could dictate their home games like when they were played and stuff like that so they're getting another same exact setup for the Pack 12 Boise State's going to get which again I've argued for years is ridiculous we should have kicked Boise out of the damn League when they were started pulling that crap we should have said go right because they were going to join the Big East or something right back in the day them in San Diego State yeah yeah we should have said go have fun good luck but no we cow toow to him and looks what happens now we gave them everything they want and it's still not enough and it put the other Mountain West schools at a huge disadvantage too yeah let's see Matthew's got uh some Stadium talk he says canvas Stadium Snapdragon Stadium are brand new and super empty yes true the uh you know the and to your earlier Point Chad uh the USA Today article from Dan wiin earlier oh that was a he was it was because he was the basically the gist of that article and was basically uh what are they what what's happening here like you're going from The Fifth Fifth Sixth best conference to being the fifth sixth best conference yes like what what is being gained here paying right crazy exit fees that reportedly the the Pack 12 with their War chest of all the buyouts they got from their teams are going to be paying the the buyouts for all the Mountain West schools as well is the rumor Y and I think well I think we both tweeted this today but the Mountain West now that they have been notified that these schools are leaving can now freeze conference distribution money to those schools yeah and so now all of that money that would be distributed to Colorado State San Diego State is so on is now Frozen and will be put towards their exit fees so um yeah I I mean playoff money they're not going to get any playoff money I mean that the Pack 12 no matter who they add they're not going to be an automatic an auto bid they they'll be close maybe to being probably like whoever wins that League might be the best group of five team but it depends on it depends on who what else happens right it's very weird um yeah you know that's the that's the thing too right is like uh I don't know they're the top I mean they're in the conversation they're notzy that actually checks out yeah it does but we don't you know there's been every every every college football talking head has their own like you know list of teams that yeah are going to be the future members of the Pack 12 and you know you've seen names thrown out like the rest of the Mountain West basically except for like maybe like Hawaii or something like that yeah I haven't seen Haw like you've seen names like Tain and Memphis and rice I saw rice and I started laughing I was like I'm like really yeah you will you will get the third best team in Dallas congratulations Houston is another one that people are thumping their chest for UTSA is a hilarious one too yeah uh I don't yeah I mean the teams that they're throwing out it's just like does that move your needle like no we have the New Orleans Market everyone watches LSU we have the Memphis Market everybody watches tennis like what are we doing yeah it makes no sense so they're just trying to do what they can think is best and in the end um they're going to wct some stuff right and the big thing is the Border War so we'll get to that uh supposedly the Colorado State ad and Tom Burman talked this morning and they both I guess agreed that they'll try to keep it going but listen I live here in Colorado and I've seen Colorado and CSU w and cry and [ __ ] and moan to try to keep that going the only school that's more arrogant than Colorado state is Colorado and so col I don't buy anything they say they don't care about us they think they're going to the Pack 12 which is what they've wanted well congrats you got it right they finally got to the Pack 12 but there's literally nobody in there who's any good other than Boise um you know the the funny thing that you mentioned to me ear or I guess a friend of texted me this morning about it he's like well with Boise joining the Pack 12 I guess they finally lifted their academic requirements huh well that's a good point too yeah so the Pack 12 was used to be this whole holy art now with academics well Boise is a Jo basically and uh well yeah because the Pack 12 like had some sort of requirement that you had to have some sort of what like medical school or something attached to it yeah they have all kinds of requirs have they dropped those yeah yeah that's a good question well presumably presum ably because they're inviting San Diego State and Boise State fro State maybe they need to invite like Idaho state in Utah State and just make it the state conference that's the joke yeah I saw that earlier that someone said they should just get all state teams and they get all state to be their sponsor the All State All State conference so they could grab like Montana State and South Dakota State and North Dakota State I like Boise is a high school with ashtrays oh that's pretty good but yeah so I yeah I don't know they say they want to keep the Border we going but I I'm just going to tell you right now it wouldn't surprise me if as this whole thing goes on there's a year or two where it doesn't happen because Colorado State I don't trust the damn word they say well look what happened with Texas and Texas A&M sure yeah uh you know they didn't play that game for I think this is the first year they're going to play in how many years uh yeah and I don't think Colorado and Colorado State have played every year have they Rodney is in the house and I know he is an expert on SDSU because he's from down there he lives down there and he says they're the highest AC rated I believe that probably thank you for the information um um yeah so a lot to talk about so that's kind of what's happening so I guess now we'll get into right the big question is what does this mean for the Mountain West and more importantly what does it mean for Wyoming Athletics U so far I will read you this uh the Mountain West did release a statement not much of a statement I'll read it uh from our new glorious uh commissioner who helped ran the Pack 12 into the ground by the way um because that's where she well she was there first right and then like went to the big West or something I'm not a fan she went to the went to the West Coast Conference oh okay West Coast after the Pack 12 yep so Gloria navarez says the mount West is aware of media reports regarding the potential departure okay well they've already left so this must have been before they announced of several of our members and have and we will have more to say in the days ahead all members will be held to the conference bylaws and policies should they elect to depart the requirements of the scheduling agreement will apply to the Pack 12 should they emit Mountain West members and I don't know what that means um our board of directors is meeting to determine our next steps the Mountain West has a proud 25y year history and will continue to thrive in the years ahead okay okay yeah I I really hope that that uh I really hope that that press release was written uh before 700 a.m. this morning or else boy oh boy that is the biggest case of denial I've ever seen yeah and then but you know at this you know the Mountain West you know where you go forward from here it's like okay are they done raing the Mountain West yet what do you mean are they done sure we get to that so um yep Kaylee she did this earlier will MSU Grizz indu and Idaho come that's a possibility I saw uh one of the local TV guys here in Missoula yeah had an interview with the Montana Athletic Director this afternoon that he posted up on Twitter uh and Montana in Montana State you know being what they have been forever the Grizz athletic director was basically like well you know the invites haven't been sent yet and you know there's been no discussions and you know Montana and Montana State feel like they're in a really good position right now in the FCS and blah blah blah [ __ ] but it's like he's interested it sounds like dude like I I I don't think so no just the way that just the way that this has gone the last few years like every time realignment happens Montana's always been very much like H we're in a good place but it's like buds there's only like four good schools left in FCS and they were two of them are here in Montana and two of them are in the dtas there's only like four teams left worth their [ __ ] that's true because everybody else has moved up everybody else has moved up like and so it's like what what is left for these FCS schools at this point because otherwise you're just playing teams that draw 6,000 people to a game so I I think of the to get to Kale's point I think the likel I don't know it seems like the Dakota schools the Montana schools and probably Idaho are probably the best suited maybe Weber State or Northern Arizona are probably the best suited to move up yeah and so we'll see the big question is how will the Mountain West react and what will the Pack 12 do now um most of the national people think that they're going to look East first but I also heard early in the morning that it was a quote from CSU who said that uh we want to be a western based conference so again I'm not really sure what they're going to do with that if their if their goal is to stay out west I see that they they're going to have no choice but to come back and take people from the Mountain West and then the question is a would they want Wyoming and I don't know I think the answer to that is probably no because if they're looking at TV markets supposedly we don't have a market at all really um well no not really uh a couple good questions in here Clint chimes in with about Nino and unov um okay so what I've read and had explained to me by some people is that I think they were interested in unv but there's some weird thing there with the way those two schools are funded that the legislature will not fund the schools that they're not in the same conference or something like that so I think Montana and Montana State have a very similar Arrangement as well so you take one you take both yeah because you know the Pack 12 would love to have a team based in Las Vegas yeah you would think they already host well traditionally they've hosted their championships there yeah you know you're that's you know Ground Zero for basically all these West Bas conferences uh mhm so there's no reason and UNLV is kind of on the rise right now in football pretty good timing on their part but yeah I would have expected them to have an invite over Colorado State or Fresno State Fresno State's the that's the one that just puzzles the hell out of me like I can't figure that out pretty odd um Rodney I think talking about your Montana problem is that's why Wyoming will never willingly go to the FCS no I think you're 100% not a realistic possibility like that's just never been on the table so there was a fusibility study done about it and it would be a huge money loser all right here we go we got a long one here from Sheridan sports report okay welcome on in says I don't think any of those SCS schools will move up they would have to improve facilities increase scholarships from like 60 to 100 uh can any of the schools afford that that is the I think you would be surprised at the I think you would be surprised at the facilities in the Big Sky Conference I think the fac Montana yeah Montana Montana State oh geez both schools just completed indoor practice facilities yeah where Montana's just finished like this week and Montana State I think is still under construction but almost done sure uh South Dakota State just renovated their Stadium North Dakota state they're stuck in a dome so I doubt they'll do anything but they have Dakota oil money so yeah but that and that's so the other part of that too and to get I guess to get to the second point of uh Sharon Sports there is the scholarship increase you're going from 60 to whatever FBS funds nowadays and then the minimum I think yeah but you also have to fund uh additional women's sports title maybe noten yeah title N Stuff where FCS has a lower requirement for that so in the case of Montana they would have to add an additional women's sport and I think I read earlier that Montana state would have to add another men's sport something like that okay yeah that gets pricey it yeah it definitely can for sure I mean you know there's Sports you can add like wrestling or you know something like that but uh yeah so you do have to fund additional Sports and I think that's kind of a sticking point with some of these schools it's like all right where the hell are we G to get that money on top of the additional scholarships so yep um let's see I'm trying to make sure I didn't miss anybody who has a good point here a lot of great comments and thank you everybody for joining us we thought every we wanted to do this because we knew right not a whole lot out there of people talking it from a Mountain West angle um we do have one from a former Cowboy here Mr Chase applebe says would love to join the AAC hell even the Mac would be fun yeah and I was thinking about that today say so let's say for whatever reason the Mountain West implodes which could happen and Wyoming's left on the geography does not matter we know geography is not even a factor in conference Reign I don't know who would want Wyoming and the only thing I could think of is I mean our only hope I think would I don't even know what the AAC I was thinking does Conference USA still exist right oh yeah kind of Madison is yeah I don't know if it'd be Conference USA or the AAC I think would be our only hopes I think the Sun Belt would be fun Wyoming in the Sun Belt that would be wild awesome that would be pretty wild but they did just take New Mexico state and so you know that's one other thing I saw today too is like all right does the Mountain West Target New Mexico state and UTP yeah maybe I don't know doesn't make sense to me but says how about Texas State North Texas or UTSA sure and that's the question right they have to get this right like I don't really see going back to The Well of like utap and New Mexico state right like come on no it doesn't really make much sense to me but again I have no idea what they're going to do and I have no confidence that they'll do anything right because they've gotten things wrong the Mountain West has been bleeding out since basically when did Utah and TCU leave since Utah and TCU and BYU all left bu left like what in the early 2000s right oh boy that was like two boy boy I don't know yeah 2000 that up you can go to the wiki has a nice Mountain West membership yeah go to that and we'll talk here and we can talk about it um but that's the problem right is this is where I get angry the Mountain West has had terrible leadership the Mountain West at one point when they had everybody was on the verge of becoming a power conference they never acted from a position of strength and then we bled everybody out we lost BYU we lost Utah we lost TCU Utah right I already said Utah so it's crazy and now right if I'm right I think the Mountain West only has three original members in it now right it would be US Air Force and New Mexico everybody else gone think about that conference is only 25 years old started in 1998 and we're down to three original members yep and so BYU BYU and Utah left in 2011 TCU in 2012 okay yeah so I don't know we'll see I don't know what the future is of this league and they have to get this right MH and I don't know I have no idea what they're going to do I don't trust any of the Le leadership I don't trust the presidents and remember the the commissioner works for the school presidents in the ads really that's how this works um and that's where I think that's why I I have a a bad opinion on these things about Burman because he's been involved in every single one of these decisions at the Mountain West level yeah and did not hear anything from the Wyoming athletic department today was no com disappointing official yeah no no comment we have no comment what what do you mean you have no comment it's your job to have a comment yeah and so that leads me like having no comment this morning screams like we didn't see this coming maybe that's the question right is did they even have an inkling this was happening I'm going to guess I'm leaning towards no is what I'm leaning yeah yeah I don't know that that would be really disappointing but you know I've seen a lot of other thing I've seen some things today were like well maybe Ked Stanford will come back to the Pack 12 it's like h no they're kind of tied to the ACC till 2036 and unless Florida State and Clemson blow up that conference they're not going anywhere yeah and I don't think that's going to happen uh Chase makes an excellent point I can't yeah we're having a bad time to have a complete meltdown on both ends so let's remember that Athletics wise we had a basketball coach who was so unhappy at the University that he took an assistant job in like what it was like April or May or whatever it was um we hired a a new football coach without having an actual search and we're started 0 and2 and it's not looking good for Friday or for Saturday I mean 0 and three is we're staring 0 and three down a barrel unless we completely play a lot better than we have but yeah so having a this is not the year to be having a down year on the field or on the court when all these moves are being made so quickly to be fair BYU started this whole thing they did that's true like they started this whole [ __ ] of the Mountain West bleeding like that was them yeah wasn't there like some sort of like plan with them in Utah State like trying to hatch like some like back door meeting and thing to like escape the conference and I think they called it the plan I think is that that what it was called yes I remember they were gonna piece out and blow up the Mountain West and recreate like the whack or something like that yeah here we go Matthew says I listened to two different podcasts with Burman last year restated that the Mountain West and its members Rock Solid I do remember listening to one of those pods and that was pretty much his quote yep so toally totally good Matt's got a good question too welcome on in Matt on YouTube with all the bio money we are getting from the pack six teams leaving can we use it to pay other teams to jump ship to the and I would imagine so yep not sure AAC teams like would want to come yeah that's the problem is Right conference would you leave the a where you're supposedly the fifth best conference in college football to come to the Mountain West who might be seventh or E sixth or seventh or eighth yeah I mean maybe behind the Sun Belt now that's a good that's like UTSA could like realistically jump to like the Pack 12 and maybe that would be considered a move up I doubt it I really really doubt that that would be a move up for them uh uh but yeah I would assume that the amount of money that Mountain West will be collecting in exit fees they'll be uh uh using to bring other schools in and you know and to the point earlier like if you're thinking about bringing in like a big sky or Missouri Valley Conference school and they need that money to fund an additional team or additional whatever you know maybe that's where that money goes and brings them on into the conference know know what's legal in that sense U me hook also says with instability of the conference right yeah Air Force could easily go jump sh go to the AAC and be in the same conference as Army and Navy which would make a lot of sense for them uh and you know the weird thing is like why doesn't Hawaii just go independent they could play 12 home games and just they could 12 home games nobody would if there was going to be any team that was Ed and survive doing it besides Notre Dame it would be them yeah home games in your weird track Stadium we never know I really like them having them in our conference I'm a big fan of haai so one of these days I'm actually gonna go to a game there yeah I know well you know we I think we go there soon but who knows now right as I said they may just say screw this and go independent like you said uh Ronnie says AFA has long with mountain located schools well so does car State and so I don't think anybody cares about rivalries anymore right they could all say it that's why I don't know if you were with us earlier Rodney but I don't believe a damn word CSU says about the Border War because once they get in the Pack 12 they're just going to think oh well we're so we're in the Pack 12 why should we play you little Wyoming who's not you're in the Mountain West still and the Mountain West sucks the the weird thing with Air Force though is they're like actually government funded like US government funded like yeah do do you think that the US government or the US Air Force in this case is gonna hand them $14 million and say here go find a new home that too yeah people are talking about that I I I think that uh I think that's a really interesting point that I read earlier I also read that to submit your notice of withdrawal from a conference or notice in the Mountain West that it's a $5,000 application fee to submit that you're leaving the conference nice probably so Gloria can go to lunch a very nice place yeah Gotta Go Gotta Go Pat Burman and his counterparts on the head and tell them it's GNA be okay Boop them on the nose tell them they're a good boy what's your point again on Hawaii Rodney about academics something about October and November October November oh yeah not sure all right we'll see if he clarifies I think he's trying to make a good point so yeah so that's where we're at so again there's just so many unknowns right now we really need the Mountain West to come out and talk always he says scheduling is tough oh yeah I think you're right for like obviously like November and December are hard for them I think what is what he's saying yeah yeah it' be kind of hard for them to go independent and play all their games at home anyway like you said they'd have to come over here on the main line I think I think their bard of Tourism like helps foot the bill for like teams that go to the island too all right meok says the bourbon is flowing well that's good cuz we are I mean Wyoming is in a a very precarious situation right now it's very bad um yeah I don't know we really need to hear from the mount West that they have a plan very very soon but I don't think they do I I think they've been blindsided yet again um so hypothetically Mount West is down to what eight eight schools eight schools plus affiliate Hawaii right well no eight includes Hawai is it eight eight including Hawaii okay so assuming the Mountain West doesn't get raided anymore it probably will but just hypothetically playing here the Mountain West doesn't get rated anymore who is our who's the four teams we invite to save this Titanic I got you no it's a good question I think it would probably be a mix right I don't think it's you like you personally like yeah no I think I don't think it four schools realistically I wouldn't like go for FCS schools I would probably try to bring two FCS schhols and then maybe two not so I would like you right if you bring Montana you have to bring Montana State that's the only way it's going to work or if you bring North Dakota State I know you let them pick if they want North Dakota or South Dakota state to come with them um otherwise then yeah I'm going towards Texas of I again like Texas State and maybe UTSA I have no interest in UTEP and New Mexico State complete dead weight programs um but that's kind of what I would do but again I know that's hard it's just making that jump from FCS to FBS is hard and it takes time to plan that out so they would if that's going to happen they need to do that that needs to be decided like now so they have that year and a half to do what they need to do to jump up yeah you know that's interesting is like I look at a team like Kennesaw State who just made the jump from FCS to FBS and their football team is only like five years old total something like that and somehow made the jump from not existing to FBS which is kind of wild to be uh or you look at a team like Jacksonville State that's moved up that you know relatively unknown until the last few years and you know now made made a small debt in FCS and now FBS yeah those are I don't know I I just don't know if that I don't just don't know if it's difficult to make the jump or not looking at teams that have done it it's like I don't know they did it sure probably not well but they did it they have like no history is what you're saying kind of like Montana or North Dakota state do yep yeah that's a good point I don't know I mean selfishly I'd bring the Montana schools because at least you know then I see the Cowboys every other year but and that was nice with having Washington State on schedule as three-hour drive over the mountain mhm yeah so it's a real tough thing we'll have to see I think Texas has to be on the list though for sure uh Chase is saying how about going a little East to Toledo and Bowling Green yeah I don't know I don't know if they'd leave the Mac those would be fun teams to have in the conference though maybe they would I don't know I mean right it's all make leave now who cares um yeah they have a good gig going in the Mac though I mean more than half of the schools can they can bust more than half of their games I think Tuesday nights are coming probably because if we go down in the pecking order right and that's the other thing so I don't know man the Mountain West I think you're probably right we'll get rated more and that's when the problem's going to begin if we have to add six or seven schools man that's tough and then right Wyoming's in a conference maybe with like New Mexico it's us New Mexico and Air Force are sitting around like what we have to replace everybody like that's a tough situation to be in and it's no good for anybody because then you're with your a bunch of we have no history we'll have no history if they bring in six or seven schools that we've never played before I mean we've already struggled enough with I mean that's the whole reason the Mountain West was born ironically and then they all one by one leave it's crazy man yeah [Music] uh yeah Matt makes a good point right there uh that's a good point is I I completely agree with it that you know just want to keep things status quo but I don't know at some point their hands goingon to be forced I think well yeah when you don't exist I mean now if they don't do something now to be proactive they're never going to right because we're we're screwed let's just be honest here we're in a lot of trouble okay there's another list right so there's a lot of lists right I mean it's all fantasy it's like fantasy conferences at this point in time I think I read earlier that the only draw for having na would be that they have a campus of 30,000 students so they're for for a school like what they are they're a very large University uh it's a big campus too I I was through it a couple years ago it's it's a big place uh the interesting thing though is I when this first kind of started popping off this morning I saw a beat writer from the in Forum in newspaper in Fargo okay yeah boy was he adim against the Bison uh going anywhere yeah I've read that guy a lot yeah he's kind Matthew's point you know resisted to change as it were even Montana's former athletic director was all over Twitter this morning just like they're not going anywhere they can't do it all these hurdles and all these obstacles it can never be done never be done it's like I don't know man it definitely has happened to schools with less resources and support than Montana so I don't know maybe Idaho makes a return to FBS now that the landscape is slightly different they give it a shot at one time so maybe they do it again their coach already thinks they can be in the Mountain West so yeah so I think I've kind of G and went through everything I had written down it's just yeah I don't know it's I'd like to say it's interesting but I I don't really find this interesting I wish we didn't have to deal with this um yeah recruiting could help but again I don't know yeah I don't know if Texas teams would want to play half games where it could get cold who knows yeah I don't know I don't I read I read something earlier too about a tlan state yes I saw that tossed out as a name like what yeah they uh yeah tarlington State like they are a very very new FCS school and they are already like making a are they inas you know appearances in the FCS top 25 the Texans okay so they are in Texas okay interesting yeah they're called the T they're called the tarlan state Texans carlington very creative okay yeah I don't know I know I had him in my FCS top 25 this week poll or in my poll this week so uh yes Michael is right so yeah for right now we only have seven schools because for football purposes right and everybody's talking about football but right now yeah we only have seven in basketball so bad news bearers very good point there and I don't know what the minimum teams you need in basketball to a conference I suppose it's eight as well yeah so again that could cause a big problem right if you have to find another school that's just willing to play basketball in your league I guess you could probably get Grand Canyon to do it yeah team in your back pocket yeah no they're fairly decent and they only play right they don't have a football team so they' probably come and play student section is wild too so but yeah I don't know I wish we could give some predictions like what we think will happen but this is just jacked up man this is it's just not good yeah texted me yeah I mean you text me last night then when I woke up this morning I saw your text I was like oh this is not how I want to start my day so yeah I don't know we'll see what happens I mean it's possible that Wyoming gets invited into this mess after these other schools figure out nobody thinks they're any good and what happens is it's just a brand right so we'll leave it on this um it's kind of like Dr Pepper and like Mr pib Right like these schools think they're going like the Pack 12 is like Dr Pepper but really sure you may call it Dr Pepper CSU in San Diego State and Boise but it's it's Mr pib you're drinking Mr pib even though it's it's in a Dr Pepper can because you're going to call it Dr Pepper but it's Mr PB yeah I don't know I just think it's really interesting like I just don't know how successful these guys think they're going to be like yeah sure you might get some M West schools but do you really think you're gonna get AAC schools i' put that I don't know that that that's just the one that just perplexes me yeah so we'll see we'll see maybe they they bit off more than they can chew maybe they've misread the room who knows we'll see I don't know right we don't know what the plan is we haven't heard anything that would be that would be funny like misreading the room would be the Big East debacle all over again like just imagine if Boise and San Diego State had joined the Big East way back when that would have been the most hilarious thing that could have happened to those two schools they would have been screwed yes screwed hard like the Big East the Big East still would have died yeah like even if they joined it still would have died yeah and then they'd had him craw back oh yeah that would have been hilarious yeah all right well thank you everybody yeah and as Matthew said if you enjoyed it head on over to YouTube hit a thumbs up subscribe so you get you get an email when we get on air because we're not we're trying to get a schedule but you know life is busy and then sometimes there's stuff like this where it's completely unplanned right like hell tomorrow we could find out Wyoming's joining the freaking Canadian Football League I don't know I mean it could be that crazy be on the mor talking about Wyoming joining like a Canadian conference maybe maybe the Mountain West supplements their conference with Canadian teams yes maybe some University in Calgary is looking for a new home McGill I know that's the only school I know that plays plays football up in Canada as MC Gill probably could have to teach the Canadians American football rules though I don't know if they play by the same rules no they play by Canadian rules I know gonna have to teach them that we get to punt the ball on fourth down not third down yes and all that good stuff end zones are not infinite no and you don't get points for missing field goal that travel through the back of the end zone did you see that by way it's like maybe three weeks ago everybody in the United States was all going crazy to where a Canadian football team they were trying like a a 60 yard kick to win the game but he missed it but he kicked it far enough to where it went back at the end zone and they got their point which was enough to win oh and they were celebrating and everybody was like what they miss he missed the kick why are they celebrating and like well in Canada if the ball goes out of the back of the end zone you get a point you get a point for trying wow what a what a gig yeah you could be a bad kicker and and still score points yeah y y and that we can actually link this back to Wyoming because it was Fleming the Wyoming kicker from the 80s right he played in Canada forever I think he might be like the all-time leading score in Canada still because of he he kicked for like 15 years right something like that he does yeah mace is up there Cory ma is up in scat and of course we knew our buddy uh Gabe napton played for Montreal so yeah we know some people yeah good good history of cowboys up there that's still one of the funniest emails I got was when we interviewed Gabe napton and I got an email back from the alets and French it's like oh God yes had to translate that sucker so all right well I guess we'll just let into this a bear do you think Mountain West the future of the Mountain West will we survive as a conference um yeah I think the path to survival is pretty easy I think that the makeup of the conference uh I don't I don't think survival is a question I think that the makeup of the conference is the biggest problem yeah where this conference could look like total dog [ __ ] at the end of the day where we're peeling off whatever scraps we can possibly find to come join this [ __ ] show uh but it could work out you know we get some teams in the conference and you know in two three four years we don't miss Boise and Fresno and San Diego State and Colorado State it's possible I'm sure we'll miss Colorado State a little bit I mean the Border war is important to a lot of people but I don't think anybody's Gonna Miss Fresno no I don't think anybody's Gonna Miss San Diego State bitching every time they have to come to laramy no so I don't know like this could be a net positive at the end of the day and maybe we find some more regionally fit teams that are happy to be here maybe I like it I won't add anything else to that we'll end on a positive note there so thank you everybody for joining us on this emergency broadcast here hope it was good therapy was for me we talked about everything and uh of course Wyoming play Saturday football against BYU we appreciate everybody a good crowd on YouTube and on Twitter and so yeah I'll be back on uh Saturday night with a BYU Wyoming postgame show uh but until then everybody take it easy keep up on the conference news because as I said who knows tomorrow we may be back here again in 24 hours talking about some other crazy thing possible slightly intoxic Brad comes back to talk about us joining the Pack 12 it's possible but we'll see so all right folks thank you so much uh we'll see you soon bye see