Ep. 942: Twitter Question Thursday - MSU football and hoops, Jim Harbaugh, Connor Stalions and CMU

[Music] what do you get when you cross a knit all newspaper columnist with an awkward unsophisticated every man yeah uh well I'm just not sure about that right now welcome to couch and the room welcome to couch in the rube presented as always by pure options Precision crafted cannabis as you are getting ready for your weekend make pure options part of it you're going to watch a Tigers game and uh they're through their best pitchers for the week and you may want to uh you may want some MGS in you or uh if you're just starting to think about your fantasy football draft help let pure options help you relax and find your chill go to Pure options.com for location information uh throughout the state of Michigan including three in the lanting area and join the pure perks loyalty program where they will tailor your pure options experience just for you um our Thursday afternoon show a little different day today is also presented by our friends at fire Keepers casino and the fire Keepers eye 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1 to 1 to 4 um just let us know and we will give you a gift card for your next trip there uh coming up soon Jason how you doing brother iGun Jared what's up Terry ton geez o Pete that's quite the intro there thank you Lions football's back yeah let's go I'm ready I don't care if it's preseason it's not like the the Hall of Fame game where I'll just tune in for a little bit I'm watching this whole game tonight I don't care the um I I don't yeah I don't think I'm watching it there's some you're not a lions fan doesn't matter to you I watched like the first quarter there is some some soccer on late at night that I might might try and catch we got a softball game tonight we're going to wrap up the the uh the com the title tonight for the lsj team so got other things going than Lions but you know big night yeah yeah big big big night of course um we are going to dig into your groovy donut Twitter questions some fantastic stuff we got last week's questions that we didn't get to some really good stuff in here as well um I think it's penis I think it's going to be a fun show um I hope so at least and prob two of the questions are can you just read my questions from last week yeah yeah yeah it's valid yeah that's fair but before we get to all that before we get to all that Graham's doctor's appointment got in the way let's uh let's dig into to uh what we are betting this weekend presented by FireKeepers I casino and Sportsbook app Jason what are you betting this week Lions plus 4 and a half how do I say no right T can't bet the Tigers I'm I'm refusing I'm done I'm done with the T I swear this time I say it a lot but I'm done betting the Tigers it's impos even with scooo last night's game was great and all that but yeah yeah can't do it Lions tonight yeah it's preseason football is tough you know we've talked about this before the idea that if you bet the underdog at plus 15 50 or more every time on the money line throughout the preseason you'll make money cuz it's truly a crap shoot 1 800 Gambler it's just it's too much work though every night every week to pay attention I'm like ah I it's ridiculous I don't I just don't want to do it so I just have this Tony dumbrowski level excitement in me that I need to just get out with a $20 bet on plus four and a half that just gets it out of the way well the whatever happens happen the Tigers just went through their two confident pictures pitchers the last two nights so there may be some some T Tigers betting there definitely will be some some soccer betting but even with the tigers with the bullpen starts though even that they pitched well in a couple of those so I just forget them you know there's other baseball games bet those a better angle I am going to be at the FC Cincinnati Santos lagona uh leagues Cup game on Friday night young boys and so uh minus one Cincinnati minus 125 kind of like it don't love it but I'm going to bet the game cuz I'm going to be there have to if you listen to this before Friday night I like the LA Galaxy uh plus a half at minus 110 at Seattle in the leagues Cup tonight or plus 295 on the money line really like that LA Galaxy are just a better team too much for home home field um so there's some stuff going on there and remember if you bet one of Graham's picks and it doesn't come through make sure you tweet at him yes pleasee tell him he sucks please do cuz that's the best and I have some Futures going I have one on Brazil which of course plays the US in the women's soccer gold medal game so I'll be here we go cheering on the Brazilian cou all that all that good moving to Canada all that uh really good stuff um all right are you ready to dig in into these groovy donut Twitter questions yep let's do it Eric Schultz up first does the punishment Harbaugh received for the covid recruiting Scandal surprise you does it potentially foreshadow what the punishment might be for sign Ste the the sign stealing Scandal and From Below show do the previous punishments towards Michigan in recent years provide any kind of barometer for further punishment it's a good question because what I can't tell is how much they're out to get Harbaugh how much Harbaugh's punishment had to with the fact that he's not there anymore would the punishment had been any different if he was still the head coach would they given him you know a year where I think it would have been the same but I think Harbaugh knew that and wanted he wanted to jump to the the pros anyway but yeah he just got out of it by having a job in San Diego now so I'm not a huge fan of punishing current players um I I believe in punishing head coaches who were overseeing things I believe in punishing the people who were a part of it on staffs and things like that and you know in in some degree punishing teams that took part retroactively and so maybe there's there's some things to do there I I you can't cap their nil can you because that's what would affect them the most is the money aspect well no the real question is would they do anything to last year's championship and they don't really have control over that they could they could but go ahead and do it they're still national champions I don't it doesn't change my mind remember with Reggie Bush and they're going to take all of his records away guess what I I still think Reggie Bush is unbelievable and deserved a Heisman deserved to win a national champ you know all that stuff it did not surprise me because I think the NCAA is uh irked by Harbaugh in a lot of the ways that I am and now did he deserve what he got I I don't know cuz I don't know the the degree of lack of cooperation and that's what they hate I do think if Harbaugh was a more likable personality to people outside of his Circle that it would be different and that's probably not fair to him entirely but I you know so you think that he that Harbaugh behind the scenes with the NCAA was different with the way he does it in in public I mean he's pretty much saying he has no idea's what you're talking about I think he did that to the NCAA and that's why they're trying their hardest to I mean he's never going to coach in college again right he's either see Harbaugh is either full of [ __ ] or he's a really bad manager of of a team and because you can't be I think he's full of [ __ ] he's well he might he's a good football coach I I yeah I'm just not sure he's a great manager of a program either I think he's a really good football coach I don't know if he's R it it it overseeing a whole operation but you know what to be fair to that who is well I mean there are coach be smart I mean I guess Sab does a pretty good job of it you know but he has other people to help yeah sure no and he does he does I again you either know what what's going on and you're either paying attention you're perceptive to it or you you're you're not and then you're you're there's one aspect of the job you don't do great that said he just beat in Ohio state three straight years won two straight Big 10 titles and he's um just won a national title I think Harbaugh thinks he didn't do anything wrong believes that and wants to say that out loud to whoever wants to hear it so how are you going to break the guy even if you have evidence on him he's gonna lie to the end lie lie lie yeah I don't know if it's a lie in his head I don't know what I don't know what is like I don't know like if Harbaugh was born today I don't know what he would be diagnosed with as a child you know what I mean like I don't you know like I I I got to be careful here but like I don't know that har boss thinks the way every some other people the highest form of Asbergers I I'm not right I mean come on yes I just don't know if he's operating with the same Machinery as everybody else in some way that's all who is and right we all have our God yeah there there and and there's nothing wrong with there's nothing wrong with that right I mean gosh the the amount of flaws with me I mean like if you know I mean deprecation so feels better look at this yeah look at this tub of lard like he's got everything in his life and he can't even you know have the discipline to eat right you know like what is wrong with him he's always on a treadmill but fat how is that possible every time he tweets he's on a [ __ ] treadmill again again I am not not knocking anybody who has like damn how much is Graham eating if he's always on a treadmill oh my wife is out of town this this this week it was bad it was really bad the stuff I got into yesterday it was just as just constant one thing after another scrub the internet I need her to come home get rid of those cookies yeah yeah yeah it was it was a bad it was a bad week yeah Eric Schultz uh while the college football playoff title can't be taken away from Michigan wins can certainly be vacated How likely do you think uh that is to happen if it does how much do you feel it changes the perception of the legit legitimacy of the college football title so I don't think anybody cares no I just didn't think anybody would care about the legit legitimacy I can say it yeah I mean it's it's I guess it's don't care teach their own and yeah if the if if winds were vacated that would matter to people but they wouldn't include the playoff and and they would still have won a national title so I don't think there's a whole lot they can do to them and I don't know that WIS I mean they obviously had an advantage to what degree in G you know in competition which is the ultimate form of cheating now whether that rule should be in place is is not important what's important is these are the rules and they they did not OB oby obey them and they took advantage and so you know I'm I'm is it like the Astros title when they when they did the that's a really good question because I do look at the Astros title differently I look at his M I used to look at that group as like boy that what what a great group coming up and they finally got one now you look at that tuve you're like [ __ ] that guy you look at him and you go that wasn't really a title maybe they wi another you know and so or it was but it was the yeah it was the sign ceiling title and so maybe there's enough that'll happen in Michigan maybe enough will come out that that's how we will perceive it I don't perceive it like that right now and I think a lot of it has to do with when the news broke when Conor sallans was fired and how they finished the season you still had to beat very you still had to beat like teams like Alabama in the postseason you know you still had to beat Washington in the postseason and they were up to that task and that's different than what happened with the Astros who were actually doing it in the World Series so that that's where it's a little a little different I think but you know I don't know I it I guess how everybody thinks of it will be their own their own deal Eric Schultz oh my God I'm dying Eric Schultz a story my brother went to Illinois the first time I visited him was in the fall and Illinois was playing at Indiana that day I saw multiple students walking around campus with shirts that read [ __ ] Michigan so yes Graham not just the MSU fans hate them yeah there are a lot of people who don't like Michigan but I mean because you know there is a um but you know I feel the same way a lot of people feel about Michigan about northwestern's journalism school so like we all have that everybody has something yeah and if you're somebody who comes from like I'm guessing Oregon State fans felt a certain way about Oregon if you're somebody who comes from uh the little guy so to speak when I was in cumoo I used to work there by the way I've heard we we went you know we competed in our own company with the Grand Rapids Press back in the days when newspapers were real newspaper papers like it was always like [ __ ] those guys they had they had like 14 full-time staffers and we did better work than them and had more talent and we loved it right now I'm not sure we did better work and I'm not sure we had more talent but that's how we felt like it was a fun thing I worked in Freeport Illinois we loved beating the Rockford paper loved it and Lancing I I love the fact that there were there have been periods of time where we have had I think we've had more pound-for-pound Talent than the Free Press and and I'm talking Newsroom wide there was a period in like 201617 where we really were strong that stuff's fun when you're the when you're kind of the guy who's looked at as the the underdog so to speak and I've always enjoyed that so I I think um but there are a lot of people who think Michigan carries themselves a certain way so you're right it's it's not what does Michigan care about Illinois do Michigan fans walk around and say [ __ ] Illinois on their shirts right I mean what is that about it's kind of weird but uh money bag do you really think the college football playoff would go against an NCAA postseason ban and include Michigan they kept Madison out of playoff rankings because of NCAA postseason rules and already said last fall they'd follow the NCAA related to Michigan it's a good question and now you got 12 teams this year so it's it's it's a bigger um piece of the pie I I don't know I don't know um it you know the Big 10 in SEC kind of run the show James Madison is not part of those so they don't really have the the advocacy um that Michigan will have although you know the Big 10 is also its members and not everybody loves Michigan and loves what what's happened here I don't think Michigan's my personal feeling is I don't think Michigan's going to be in the top 12 this year I don't and I just think the schedule I think Texas is better than them they play Early they finally play a difficult um non-conference game although it is at home that I don't know if they're allowed to leave like they may have some sort of probation where they can't leave Michigan in this month of September like it's a a rule somebody got in trouble but um yeah I I I I just don't know Glenn Smith Graham I don't quite understand your willingness to let Central Michigan off the hook for the Conor stallions Fiasco if I understand your stance correctly you are pinning the blame on a few individuals there what bothers me is almost uh is the almost one year of Silence coming from Mount Pleasant yeah you're you're not wrong uh I mean even if you are the steward of a school people are the like you know when when people at Michigan State screw up you know I understand there you know thousands of people in Michigan State aren't part of that screw up but the school still gets labeled you're still you're still the athletic director there you're still the head football coach there as long as they are in power as long as they are in a position of leadership as long as they are controlling decisions the school suffers so I'm not saying I'm just saying long term the idea that cmu's relationship with Michigan State should change when the ad who's there right now will not be there in 3 years they got a new president coming in December that'll be a very interesting situation the football coach is not going to survive this season they've been like what they've been a bad team the last two years they're going to I don't think they're going to get to 500 this year I love the under six wins on the fire Keepers eye casino and Sportsbook G I mean like I I don't um and so when those peoples are are gone even if they screwed this up like and and we're disrespectful and whatever it might be and just foolish I don't think CMU the institution should suffer that's what I'm that's all I'm saying it's not CMU gets a pass but if if new people come in and and the relationship changes Tyler Lions over 10 and a half and MSU over five wins par late is plus 240 I like it how much do you I would love it at 4 and a half for MSU but you might be I think there are places where you can get four and a half but they won't be quite the Juice Plus I like it it might be closer to like plus 25 or something like that with 4 and A2 um the one thing about I I'll say this what I like about this that Tyler's bringing up is if if Michigan State just wins five and they and so say you put say you put 50 bucks on this and the lions are pretty close to even money you're a little bit you know you even if Michigan State hits the five and and it's a push you're going to win the Lion's half of the BET and win your 50 bucks so you may not get the advantage of the parlay but you still win so get the four and a half so four and a half is better but but five isn't five isn't the worst get in your money back is complete ass it's better than losing it well if you're going to say that yes I have to agree with that part too uh Andrew zoa my kid turns one soon can we get some college refs our ass kid shirts sure yeah that'll be is it a onesie or kids wear shirts yeah one they're are they are they out of they're not out of ones these at the one but it's a little they're sorts of you probably need some sizes there all sorts of sizes at one you know we can get you one Andrew I think we could handle that that's pretty uh that's pretty cool by the way a one-year-old birthday party if you do it one-year-old birthday parties are as be careful I think I think there is no this isn't me like going to kids birthday parties I think they are the best parties for adults that exist it's like it's like the parents it's like the parents survived the first year the kids too young to know what hell is happening they're just going to stuff their face in the cake everybody's going to laugh it's adorable and everybody gets either drunk or stoned like if you are going to a one- year-old's birthday party stock up on pure options there should be a deal like maybe we can talk to Pure options like it is a great uh time to go to Pure options if you're about to go to a kids's one-year-old birthday party you should quit the lsj and just go to [ __ ] that like guys don't want to go to yeah yeah you'd make a million dollars I will go to people's weddings I will go to one-year-old birthday parties they're fun they're good yeah I'm all in uh I don't want to go to a three-year-old birthday party cuz then then the kids are mobile and uh and it's about the kids and you're trying to entertain unreasonable people like nobody wants that with the one-year-old people bring their other kids who are three four five whatever yeah one-year-old well that's that's true but that's on them to watch them I think right yeah it's a good point finding kids birthday parties Jesus um Andrew zoa rubbe will you find this person you might have fathered and send them a couch and my dad's shirt what if like the one I got my dad it says number one dad and then on the back it says dot dot dot not really I get him one of those shirts we got to get you a shirt that says number one dad possibly probably no not really no I wouldn't be lucky kid Spartan 18770 how many years does Jonathan Smith have to turn this program around and why won't us fans allow him to have that time well because waiting sucks and Michigan's been really good and I don't think Michigan is going to get really bad and it just waiting sucks and and the problem is it's not quite as bad as the Tigers but when the previous regime didn't get it done although there was at least that 2021 year that people got to enjoy it it's hard to give the next regime time like I said this before with Scott Harris and Chris illich and they they may turn out to really suck at this but it would our attitudes toward them would be different if they took over in 2016 and it was 2017 18 right now like you're just barely into it it's like okay they got to do this instead it's like nope been waiting you don't get this you don't get the time you don't get the bill you get you know and that's that's the the tricky thing in terms of how long it'll take Jonathan Smith to turn it around I do think the transfer portal is is different um makes for a different uh setup I think he's pretty Adept in it based on his time at Oregon State um I think the roster is in better shape than the program he took over and I sort of look at this and I think there's a um you know a chance to be competitive next year in the the the maybe eight- win realm and I think what you have to think though is you have a sophomore quarterback who's supposed to be like a potential Pro talent and he's got three years left there's no by the you know you want to get something out of him where he's either ahead of schedule and in year two you're doing it or in year three his senior year you're you're really rolling and trying to compete for a playoff spot and everything next one from Spartan what small college or university in Michigan will not survive financially in 10 years um well here's the thing I I think some of the state like Central Michigan is really struggling and there are places that are it's just but they will do what it takes to survive in terms of admission standards and and different things but that will impact other places so I don't know who will fall off but so you're right there would be I would venture to guess in 10 years there will be two fairly well-known colleges in Michigan that don't exist or exist very differently and you think one CMU no I think CMU will adjust not to be that but the trickle down it'll hurt somewhere else it's still like a party school right like people in this area you know students want to go up there and yeah college and they do they do they do some good things they've just financially been in rough rough shape for a bit next one from Spartan would we uh what would we need to happen to make you move to Holt oh would have to happen to make you okay uh a free house where is the nearest Pure options um let's uh yeah like uh um so the home of home of Larry Nasser I um sorry that was a I we fix it we they still have they still say that no where did that come from that's not even a cool thing to say I apologize that cuz that's not even for some people that's like who are listening that's like triggering that's like seriously bad if we could fix it in post we would I that's not a you want to get the show cancelled I mean we can just end the show we don't have to do it anymore you don't have to be crazy that's the worst I would need an apology from H for their behavior in school choice and the number of kids they've stolen from Ling I would need a a public oh man public apology yeah God I wasn't ready for that Professor if you were named enforcement Zar what punishment would you give Michigan it's something to do with money nil money or something which you can't do right but I mean you can't do any like I don't think you suspend like the the coaching staff a year do you I mean no Harbaugh just left their ass I mean yeah no I I don't I don't know what I would do I you're going to get a slap on the wrist but if if they believe if the evidence they have against Harbaugh warranted the punishment they actually gave him I would make that a ban for I mean the guy just signed a five-year contract with the Los Angeles Chargers and you gave him a four-year show cause penalty so I would make any penalty I gave um beginning when he came back to the sport if he I don't think he will but you know what I mean like I would at least have the teeth of that instead it's just complete [ __ ] if you think unless they did it extra because he's gone anyway and and you know I mean could you ban him from College athletics all together and if he does decide to come back he has to like kiss your ass to get I mean I just don't know what you would have to do to harball I don't think he cares yeah I don't like you said I don't think he's coming back after after he's done the NFL this time I think he's retiring right he's getting up there yeah or he may coach he may have one more stop or something yeah I I don't know if he's like a a life for guy's going to be doing it when he's 70 or or not um I could see that with him I that's a good question I I don't know what I would do cuz I don't really have all the information and I don't know what's entirely fair I know there's a lot of bloodthirst to do something but I don't necessarily share that bloodthirst so um I I don't know what I don't know what I would do I I would want I would probably try to be more creative though than they are like I would try to do something that um you know I the problem is you don't control any of the stuff with the playoff and so you you really have no say and the stuff that really matters to people and I don't so I don't know what you could do that would be fair but also um you know ding them a little bit I it's a good question Professor if it was Graham vers Jason in a in a decathlon who wins what's the decathlon again it's 10 events hold on let me get the events um hold on hold on hold on let me uh let me get this uh I'm guided to another world time and time again all right here we go come on come on we'll go through these events um you got the 100 m Dash I think this one would be close in what running how far is that 100 m it's like a football field ooh yeah I think I could beat you I don't know maybe not my knee might give out it' be close discus throw I like my chances short arms a lot of power in the last thrown a discus yeah it's been a while P Vault I think both of us would almost die trying to do was go po how do they practice that we were watching that last night the pole vault the ladi's pole vault it's like how do you I don't even know how you would even just to run down with the and how do you get good without getting badly hurt it's yeah yeah right you have to flop on your head like once or twice so neither one of those clears the pull Vault so at this point I'm you it's one to a push Javelin again throwing events I give myself The Edge I don't know I've been stretching pretty good I got a good javelin throw 400 meters definitely me I don't know if he could Jason could do a whole time around the track um 110 hurdles this is Jason I got really short legs it's it's a disability I can't like it would it would you know I would I would hit I would stop turn around and help you man so we'd finish together okay you know I'd see you fall on your head long jump I I probably even you know shot put um that's me throwing a vent I'm just thinking of us doing these oh my God be hilarious shot put like putting up to your high jump I mean as long as the bar was under four feet both of us would have a chance to like no under three feet I don't know I wouldn't I'll give you the high jump 1500 meters would be me that's a mile I can I could do that and of course it would beat that so I would win the the uh is is the answer I do hear your voice in my head when I take a [ __ ] Tim Horton is this podcast sponsored by pure options cannabis I certainly hope so and I certainly hope you know it ought to be a prerequisite just when you download it it comes out you know there's like a delivery it's like a door Dash from Pure options just a oh listen to couch in the r here you go yep here you go yep Alan pearlstein I've subscribed to a handful of excellent journalists who are applying their trade on sub stack all of these journalists uh seem to enjoy the freedom of not working for media overlords and their editors what's your take on this trend yeah good for them if you if you have the following to do it you have to have the following and that's the thing you have to have something that people want um you know if I got laid off would I try a substack for a while I you know I would have the benefit of um uh having this show and having my wife make more money than me and like all those sort of things to not have a ton of pressure I don't know that'd be a good question the timing has to be right like you see somebody um like um Justin Rogers who used to be Detroit News do it with the Lions he struck perfectly no nobody's ever been into the lions more like if you did this eight years ago time to do eight years ago it would be like uh I don't know if I'm going to ascribe to another Lion's thing so um but yeah no I I think it's great that people control their own you you have to be you have to be good enough though to offer something that people want to do and I I think that's not everybody um everybody can do that uh David Jackson since punishments directed at departed Michigan coaches are less than meaningless is the lesson for all schools to Simply cheat like hell and then your successes are investigated smugly reply bets and go on cheating yeah the BET comment is is I think drives but you need a guy like Harbaugh as head coach to like to cheat though like you need a coach to buy all in and go I am never going to admit anything I don't know what you're talking about and Harbaugh is sort of in one sense I'm not a huge fan but also I he has lived out a fantasy of mine which is sort of the idea like I used to say like they put you on probation and they say you can't play in that bowl game [ __ ] that my team's showing up we're playing we're going anyway I'd like to see your security guards take my 105 guys off the field you know what I mean like good luck with that we're here we're not we're not acknowledging Your Existence NCAA that used to be my fantasy for certain unreasonable things they did um and so I you know I in that sense I I but what if a guy like Mike Gundy did something like that and everybody'd be like what an [ __ ] ah damn it oh what time is it plug fell out uh we made it a little bit um the idea should everybody cheat no I mean you shouldn't because you have to sleep at night and you have to you should want to play by the rules and the degree in which this was uh something that gave them a great Advantage you know I don't know but it certainly was you you should everybody should play on the same plane based within the rules and and you know they didn't entirely do that and how many of them knew and to what you know who knows but yeah I I don't think no people shouldn't just cheat like hell now a lot of people blur lines and I think you should push the envelope on what's allowed to give yourself an edge I don't think there's anything wrong with that but um this was obviously across the line next one from David Magic Johnson aside and considering only High School play and not college success or pro ball who are the five best local basketball players of your lifetime how about this list one Jay Vincent two Sam Vincent three Robert Henderson four Marcus Taylor and five Al Horford this is a great list great list um I I Al Horford would not be on it other than these and and I don't know how I how I'd rank them but Marcus Taylor belongs there for sure Robert Henderson was incredible Sam Vincent Jay Vincent um Al Horford was kind of a late bloomer and was a really good high school player but there have been better high school players who weren't even great like you know Derrik Nelson at Everett amazing high school player who in high school I would take over Al Horford won a State title because of him Jonathan Jones at okus of course Ron Banks at seon you know but there there are a number of um you know Denzel Valentine was a I you know now they had better teams sometimes around him so that's hard to judge but Al Horford is the one guy who doesn't belong on that list just based on who he was as a senior in high school uh I mean obviously he became a you know 15-year NBA Pro so that we that's a whole different conversation uh David how many more how many power conference college basketball scholarship players are seniors this year in Michigan high schools are any in Ingam County in a related question if ID produced a Spartan recruit in football or basketball would the rubbe attend his games and Scout him for us sure yeah yeah you're going to have to let me know though I don't look at rosters and all that [ __ ] so I I do have a a God child who plays in whose first birthday I once attended by the way who plays football for oid oh really okay yeah so there's there's that uh there's that does he go to Michigan State uh no he's still at ID he's playing playing football at ID right now I I believe he's going to going to play this year by the way if you um if you uh want to celebrate ID or whatever High School Community you're in anywhere in the mid Michigan area uh groovy Donuts is here to help you do that and school logos you can put uh you know whatever you want to do on that as and as you head back to school and you're going to set your kid up for Success give them a groovy donut uh groovy donut to take to the teacher on day one that is the best way to get off to a great great start groovy Donuts are there it's happiness for uh the people eating them happiness for the teacher it creates the right Vibe it sets the right tone especially your kid sucks if your kid sucks in any way as a 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right let's let's read the lead here ticket all right let's read it for the lead with friends like Jim Harbaugh Chiron Moore doesn't need enemies sure Harbaugh is responsible for more getting a once in a-lifetime opportunity to be the head coach at University of Michigan it's actually pretty good pretty good deal to be honest then again it's a classic example of being set up for failure while Harbaugh has escaped all these miles away Jesus the ad loaded [ __ ] is is my readership experience like this probably Co um it's tough enough that Moore inherits a much more difficult schedule ju deposed with heightened expectations coming off a national title campaign but the microscope of Scandal is now on him not that Moore was necessarily innocent I mean uh there are two words to best fit Michigan one is Champions last season Michigan rolled to the National Championship um I'm not talking about Michigan institutionally I'm not trying to read the whole thing institutionally though Michigan is the very def definition of hypocritical leaders and best you look it's a good it's fine yeah no I don't you know um yeah there's been some criticism I think hasn't there I mean not you're not going to get it from W probably but I would guess Windsor or isn't Los wanted to D oh my God yeah but nobody reads what he puts out anyway uh You' be surprised whatever hate readed uh Max Spade I had to step away from MSU sports banter last spring the fan base was just so damn annoyingly entitled um yeah I don't I didn't see that but I can understand taking some time away it's good to take a time I I was even thinking about yesterday if we didn't do this show I would try to get away from Twitter um and need to I need to probably find better ways to do it because it's it it's and I know Elon doesn't want to hear this but it is so inconsequential in terms of readership like I would say less on average less than 10% of my audience is driven by Twitter which has changed I mean it used to be well over a quarter back in the day and that's just you just don't need it anymore it's it's rather IR relevant tool in a lot of ways in terms of our business and um it mostly it's just unhealthy for your mental health cuz you're on it and you're it's not real life you know well he screwed up Elon screwed up the whole Twitter thing now I'm like seeing people like I'm not even following like I never see your tweets I which is fine I guess sometimes but you know it's just weird I don't see what I want to see and then I end up into this weird Vortex of like weird videos and nobody's created a good substitute there are different way there different ones have different you know strengths uh threads is the one that screwed it up mostly that had a chance and they they botched it but um anyway nobody nobody's done a great substitute for it either Myspace bring it back max Spade this year is there a sport in which fans are being too optimistic and setting themselves up for disappointment I well you have to have some hope right right I don't going into a season if you're talking Michigan State I don't think so I think people are realistic about football I think people are hopeful about basketball rightfully so but not like last year it was like this team better be top five I mean if saying they're going over four and a half wins and you're confident about that I guess if if I guess that would be a giant letdown if they didn't win five games I guess it's a really good hockey program it may not go as smoothly as last year entirely but like um that I think they're going to be really good again uh so you know and I think the Lions if you're looking there I think the Lions are Going to be a very good football team unless there's like a bad injury right so um and by by bad injury the one you know quarterback is the position where all of a sudden that could really change a season so um and nobody thinks anything else the the rest of the teams in Detroit so I don't know that anybody's setting themselves up for disappointment I think people are fairly realistic about um and uh you know in the Lions and and Michigan fans with Michigan football that you know that's the one where they're coming off a national title so I don't think they're going to be that disappointed even if it's an eight- win season I just I think they're okay Dave Laken next a couple weeks ago you showed some contempt toward a politician for their unscripted comments as a reporter would you rather cover a coach who made unscripted comments like Tom ISO or Dan Campbell or a coach who sticks to the script like Mel Tucker and Jim Harbaugh oh give me ISO and Campbell give me give me um authenticity and team uh you know giving you a little some insight authenticity and insight manp yeah I mean you want that a 100 times out of 100 and the thing that would drive me nuts about both Mel Tucker and Jim Harbaugh is that when they want to give more they can and there is a middle ground like the coaches who do this well the Nick Savin of the world like Mel Tucker was always trying to be Nick Sabin and Nick Savin sometimes he doesn't say anything but he knows how to give you something without giving you too much he knows how to you know he knows how to it just it's it's just better like I um no give me authenticity and give me insight and uh you know I'm not asking you to give me you know the the breakdown of your game plan the next week but just respond to the respond to the question question and and and do your best to answer it and and give me something and it helps you ultimately it helps you having friends in the business and I don't mean friends like you know friends that will uh cover your [ __ ] up but what I mean is having people you're friendly with who you can call and you have connection to it pays off it pays off for athletes it pays off for coaches um and and I don't get why more coaches don't do that and um I don't think Harbaugh has a ton of now he's a great football coach so doesn't need it but um you know Mel probably could have used a few more people he was close with yeah I don't we don't have enough time for all of that next one from Dave except for the last two years MSU football is usually underrated while Michigan consistently overrated with many uh Sports Outlets picking Michigan to finish third in the Big 10 and MSU 13th what do you think is more likely for MSU to finish above expectations or Michigan below Michigan below and this is not a at Michigan the Big 10 is just they're a lot of good teams at the top Michigan's replacing a lot I know they got a lot back but you know just look at you know look at the Oregons and Ohio States and Penn States and you know look at Iowa's schedule like you can see how Michigan would finish below that and when you think 13th and you think of the number of teams that are sort of in that middle pack or middle to bottom tier that Michigan State might be you could see how Michigan State could finish anywhere from uh you know you know 8th to 14th and so more likely to be above above that jebadiah next who is this Connor stallions look alike on the sidelines for Western Michigan during their 2022 game against Michigan State it's an interesting picture I don't know uh and I don't know if I think it's him maybe there's been something that's already come out with that but yeah it doesn't have you did you you didn't think it was him I did see it yeah I don't think it's him okay it's close it resembles him uh jebadiah when will salari change his picture away from the stupid removed X verification symbol it's been like two years Bud move on yeah dedication to a bit right yeah I don't know that he cares the other thing that happens and I will say this with Twitter is you you have a certain um Twitter Avatar that people get used to and when they're scrolling quickly that's how they recognize you quick and you don't want to change your colors too often for a long time I had that one when I was at the University of Illinois and it was like those two uh uh students behind me in bright orange with weird hair like making faces or whatever on the presso at Illinois basketball and it was orange and you quickly could see that like if you were scrolling you get to you know boom that's Graham's tweet just search Graham couch on there you could do that so I was hesitant to remove it but yeah I have not asked I have not asked uh Chris um but Twitter doesn't matter so what it really I mean it it's I enjoy the interaction of it still I think for sports and for our community of people and for people who follow Michigan State I enjoy interacting with people there I enjoy uh I still still enjoy parts of it that's why I do it but in terms of it it its value to the business is just not there anymore Jay reman Schneider was Stallions at the MSU CMU game to help Michigan uh pre- Scout for MSU or to help CMU read MSU signs during that game I don't know everything on this but I my understanding is it's a a CMU story to some degree like it was um he he was in part definitely there to help CMU and um you know that U now he may have been there for multiple reasons so and I don't I don't know that uh next one from Jay which Big 10 Basketball first school has the best football fan base seeing as how these schools his uh historically are slightly above average to bad in football Indiana Illinois Maryland Purdue UCLA I well UCLA sucks um I mean UCLA doesn't even have basketball fans in their basketball school I mean it's just it's just it's like it's like Eastern Michigan but but in La um I'd say Purdue that's a good question yeah it's a good question I don't know yeah I would say Purdue got it rocking it's it's Illinois is close so Illinois is is I think can be a little of both they just haven't had a lot of winning it's puru Illinois is the answer uh Jay uh what is both you guys max squat bench press in 40 yard dash times right now boy people really want us to do this dud we're just two out of shape white guys in our 40s I don't know why people would even care I haven't bench pressed or done any of that squat in 20 I don't run anymore in 2018 I did two what did I do 12 times of 225 that's what we did when with a couple months lead up to it yeah yeah yeah no but I I was benching a lot back then I have not benched much since uh the pandemic I would say you know I could probably do 225 four or five times right now the um oh that's all arms yeah no I have short arms it's the one place it really helps me 40 yard dash time I got to think I get under six under six really yeah okay I think I could get it under six I don't believe in squatting I don't want to hurt my knees at this age so I'm not going to do it mad C Graham you don't think Michigan cheating impacted the outcome of the games Harbaugh's record was was 49 and 29 without stallions and 40 and three after the coaching and recruiting didn't make that much of a difference come on man I think some of the development did I think they got a lot better as a team in a program at the end uh now this is the problem with doing what they did though right this allows this narrative to exist and and and fairly so mat I'm not going to tell you not to think because this is why you don't cheat because then when you win and there's a stat like that that you know that can linger as a reason right to what degree did that make a difference obviously uh I don't think it was that influential um but this is why you don't cheat because it leaves you open to this all right mat C can someone from the lsj ask Harbaugh a follow-up question about never lying cheating and stealing the NCAA literally showed evidence of him lying so I'd be curious what his response would be booking flight to Los Angeles for a week let's do that a giant waste of time um yeah he's not going to tell yet so he can look through me like Jim Delaney and at catatonic and I I just if I was a rich guy I would send you out there man if Jim Harbaugh wasn't Jim Harbaugh I 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really good and for a while to be in the top 12 and get to a um get to the the new year six bowls which are now the playoff essentially 10- two is what it really required as you get these bigger Leagues with more losses to happen in the Big 12 in SEC especially I do think N9 and three is going to start to get some teams in that are really good 9 and3 teams but um that'll be but pretty much Notre Dame is going to be in every year right well it'll be scheduled I mean I I don't well once I get to 14 teams are they're the kings of 9 and three they always wanted them into the playoffs somehow and had to finagle them in but I I mean how many weeks do you do you think if Jared asked this like a month from now or like a month into the season would you think you'd know we'll have a we'll have a better feel well yeah um and you know and the schedule is going to play a factor like Michigan for example plays Texas at home could lose that game I think Texas is going to be really good this year plays Ohio State on the road at the end of the year and plays Oregon at home if they lose those three in competitive games and win their other nine like to me that's that's still probably a top 12 team right and and and yet you're going to be nine and three and that the schedules just get tougher for some of these um now these leagues are bigger all right Jared what's the good value Heisman bet Jaylen milro it's a good question we will do something with Harry in the next couple weeks not next week probably two weeks from now where we do a uh preseason wins over unders college football NFL best Heisman or other bets it to me it's always the Heisman is such a crap shoot you got to find Great Value so you got to find somebody that is well Dylan Gabriel is like the public everybody's feasting on that right now some sharp action in on it but Public's taking the Dylan Gabriel find somebody who's got a chance to develop enough early hype to be in the conversation um that's really good that you think you know but you got to find Long odds to find value with Texas I mean is he going to be this starting quarterback is Manning going to play who knows I think it's going to be yours right I would think so but you never know uh Kurt wisnoski the Tigers need a labotomy and some tights what offseason move and or action needs to be had to bring back confidence for the future well you got to make a decision on Javi right after If he if he ends the season with historically bad numbers like we're guessing he will I mean do you bring him back into the fold as a starting short stop no I want to see them I want to see them look like they mean business right you you you move on from jav bayas if you locked up scoo ball that would be huge part of that you know because now you you're you're saying okay you're going at this you look at somebody like Parker Meadows who had a nice run here and is he can can he be part of your main group you just you you make some decisions that really show your direction I think that would be the that would be the key you know I would like to ask one of the big baseball guys like Buster only or Tim kirchin of how many other major league baseball teams would have handled the jav bayz situation the same as the Tigers did I would really like to know that uh Kurt winki uh if you overheard a scum fan say bet what is your best response it's just it's very broish hey check out my mule yeah it's just yeah just it's just kind of broish you know like I mean I don't think if you say bet is is a fan of any team we used to do that back in the day bet but when you were 15 yeah 90 93 you say bet about anything um but it depends on who's saying it but you can't be anti like you can't be critical of Connor Cook and say the word bet you can't you're you're you're you're you're a level of bro that you cannot be critical I didn't know there's rules their rules okay their rules yeah uh mfield keg I was in the military and have worked with the government in my current job everything moves at a glacial Pace even they would ask why it took almost a full year for this stallion stuff to head toward a conclusion why did it take this long it's a great question and it's my main criticism and and I have a column sort of in the hopper uh ready to go and I you know I don't know whether how how soon we're going to run it um but it is because that's the criticism it didn't need to be this way it really didn't based on all the information I had that this could have been this could have been embarrassing for them but it should have been something that was that was handled last winter and at the latest probably even during the season and it was a moment that was embarrassing but by now Connor stallions is now just a Michigan story again instead of a CMU deal and and and it would look like they had some control over it it it was they lean too heavily on the NCAA investigation which is first looking at Michigan I I do know from uh outside they did not hire outside an outside firm based on our um uh freedom information act request and I don't know what they did in- house because the the statement I continue to get from them is about um waiting on an NCA investigation and not commenting on Personnel matters and you know that there there's you know whatever people hide behind that stuff all the time this it it's ridiculous I think it'll affect careers I think it'll hurt the ad there uh if M wasn't already on his way out I think this would be a problem for him too wow thank you for your service mfield uh Travis Maynard for the both of you between this year's MSU football and basketball season which are you more excited for after the seasons what uh which do you expect you'll have enjoyed more and if you could only watch one of those uh one of those Sports this season which would it be in why I'm a Hoops guy so that would it would be basketball more games like the pacing um same ISO second Natty I want to see it happen I just think they've got a much higher ceiling than the football team so that that'd be more ENT football next year basketball this year uh Ethan and I think you'll enjoy basketball more this year Char raela have you heard anything on an MSU basketball schedule release you know based on history let me let me double check I got this right [Music] um bright and Hollow Sky you know it look so good tonight I mean I felt all of breed human I am a passenger so come on last year it was September 19th and so it's it's usually you start to get the non-conference usually in late August I don't know if the Spain trip will delay that but you know September 19th uh and by the way uh the news today is kind of cool I mean I I should have mentioned this earlier that Michigan state is playing Northern Michigan at the superior Dome dome in Marquette on uh Sunday October 13th the football bye awesome uh awesome deal there and uh that'll be that'll be fun if you get a chance to go up to Marquette it's worth doing if you get a chance to see Superior Dome it'll be a cool experience I think it's it's going to be fun to uh be up there all right Ethan what would be more disheartening outcome a 4 and8 football season or a nine seed basketball season 4 and eight because I didn't win my bet I'd say nine seed basketball because I I do some things at at nine yeah you're only think you know and I'm not saying that I'm not saying 4 and8 would be fun for people and you people would lose their bets but you might just be an injury or one win that went the other way from being right where you expect them to be here two wins where nine seed basketball you're still in this funk you're still in this spot that you've sort of been in right and and the hope I think for people is that they they can get out of that and get back more in a contention and football like I don't think the direction of football is altered by a 4 and8 season or a 6 and6 season I really don't I I think your enjoyment this year might be but I don't think the direction of the program program changes all that much a nine seed in basketball with a team that loses some key guys and doesn't you know you might like it just lends itself to the question whether they're ever going to get back to the point that they were 5 years ago and uh I I think you know the longer that doesn't happen I I think the the more less likely it's going to happen if it doesn't happen with this team you know it's not easy to see how the team after that is any better Ethan William Goldston or shalik Calhoun will goston he's a monster a little scary shalik was uh said a lot of good St I mean he was a great talker didn't always say a lot like you you'd you'd listen to him you go it was interesting and then you listen to your quarter and no no it really wasn't that interesting it just sounded good um and he was somebody who was impactful made big plays but he was I think his star was almost bigger than he was as a player like I gston was um almost the opposite in some ways and a little scarier like I think an offensive lineman would tell you they'd rather face Calhoun than than goon Craig Dodger up next has Twitter gotten even more toxic over the last year if that's even possible some of the back and forth on Harbaugh and tainted title situation is beyond crazy if you asked uh most M MSU fans anonymously they would switch places with Michigan in a second by the way Lake Superior is greater than Lake Michigan oh yeah it is Lake Michigan's Great Lake Superior is just it's it's Superior who's arguing there are people there's there was a thing on Twitter the other day I mean Superior is amazing it's just it's as good as it not better than Lake Michigan what exit and by the way the fact that both those are our Lakes I mean like you know we have it better who's got it better than us is that is that a harball line Sorry the under to is better at Lake Michigan now what um what what's gotten is Twitter more toxic over the last year yeah Twitter is as bad as for me I don't I don't know I just don't follow any of that [ __ ] yeah I find fitter fitter Twitter like just a fun thing for me and then I end it if it if it wasn't fun I wouldn't I don't know that's a I don't I don't really tweet that much anyway but I do scroll through and that is a really healthy way to do it I know I just I don't want to deal with that [ __ ] anymore um K Shu couldn't any top 25 college football team uh could have won a Natty by violating recruiting rules stealing their opponents play call signals and scheduling 16 home games over two years which included the weakest non-conference opponents imaginable no because yeah while I well I I'm actually I think their scheduling is is as shameful as anything like I that bothers me like just don't do that like don't do eight it's the eight home games that don't do that and if I if I was running college football that wouldn't be allowed like you would be ineligible for the postseason if you played more than seven that's that's just me but if you're allowed to do it I would still do it fair enough and they they they didn't they didn't get punished for it and the thing is at the end of the day what they could do what Michigan did that most people can't most people might be able to boost their regular season record but it was their growth in the postseason it was who they became by the end of last year I mean that was a program that was was able to win a National Championship and there's nowhere to hide in the postseason so I I uh I don't think any any just anybody could do that I just I'm saying the the amount of home games doesn't bother me because I just feel if as a head coach if you're going to let me schedule eight home games with no problem I'm going to do it life shouldn't be about getting away with what you can it shouldn't be about but cutro business college football they what you know you have fans that want win and and you know it it's fine and they should just be sh called out for Joel clatt should just actually mention that once in a while like this is kind of [ __ ] embarrassing like that's all I'm saying you know uh coach UK MSU football has a new coaching staff and 60 new players the homers need to relax with the high expectations I will be happy with uh steady progress and thrilled with six wins and bringing back the Jet Sweep um yeah I mean I don't think most people are thinking too much more than six wins I don't I don't run into that if I mean there there's you know there's some I mean everyone I mean I did say see the Aiden child's little sidearm thing I said 11 wins well yeah you're just having fun you're just having fun you don't well I was serious at the time I mean pure options flowing yes absolutely Suburban Spartan Dad if you enjoy some pure options with any um if you could enjoy some you leave words if you could enjoy some pure options with any current or former a MSU athlete who would it be and why oh it would be it would be magic and it would be because I would really yes and here's why you guys just tweet on yacht yeah well I want to see if he could do some inappropriate tweets for once a little more inventive uh but the other you know just uh I have the Cure s drop some f bombs I have the Cure I think uh Zach Randolph Randolph zbo dude come on Jeff talk about Portland Jeff smoker be good but the reason the reason I I mean if I had enough pure options with me and I don't know how many mgs it would take but I if I could get magic to in a moment of weakness or Enlightenment whatever it might be fully fund the lanting promise college scholarship to a level that every kid goes to school completely for free any college in the state kind of like kalamazo that that I think I could do with enough pure options and then pure options would not only be fun it would be legendary like if pure options was the reason I got magic to sign off on that like think what pure options role in this state would be just in this imunity I mean I I you know I think magic would have you thrown off his yacht it's possible right into the water it's possible get rid of this guy who is he uh original dark mantonio who will finish higher in the conference standings Michigan basketball or MSU football both are completely new teams I think we we did this question a couple weeks ago um I think I yeah I think both are are are fair questions I I like I kind of like Michigan's upside a little bit more um you know but but you're right it is a completely new team I like the Michigan basketball I would take if I had to bet it original dark mantonio you think most actors in long-running TV shows are actually close friends outside of work unlike you too I mean really original do you want to do what Graham does like when you hear him talk about his dinner parties and you know the Hallmark movie trivia nights you want to do that like I don't dislike gram at all I I love Graham I respect Graham I love that we get to do the show and bust each other's balls but on a Friday night we have different lives and I don't want to be any part of his and he doesn't want to be a part of mine yeah and that's and that's what works for the show I'm watching Tim Walls and Hallmark movies of Santa Claus the um the uh you you're right and the difference is is there are actors who like work together and there are co-hosts who work together who don't like each other there's a difference there we like each other sure this doesn't work if we don't have an affection for each other we don't respect each other but the other thing is we also spend more time with each other than we do just about anybody else in our lives because we're you know we I mean we spend you spend less than 5 hours a week with your wife some weeks I mean not when we're sleeping you know but like like of actual conversation yeah there are weeks that okay actual conversation and maybe not everybody but my wife and everybody probably for you but theres is there anybody other than theres that you spend more time with every week than me like in person yeah no right I don't do anything so right I'm an old boring guy that likes to smoke weed and watch sports so I mean right yeah uh original dark mantonio do you consider yourself a renaissance man you must have experienced a lot because you have a story to tell that one-ups or takes in qu or takes in questions every time unless you're a good liar and Storyteller on your feet I'm not a good Storyteller I think you know that unless talking about you right yeah it's okay yeah not a good Storyteller but you wait you think Graham would just make that up on the Fly I have lots of recall of boring stories of things that I've been through but I'm not yeah Renaissance I appreciate the renaissance man I would love to have Renaissance man on a shirt but I'm not a renaissance man I mean is is I don't know that anybody ever has looked at me and go or talked to me and said that guy is um is always on a treadmill he's a renaissance man I mean you're closer to I mean yeah I'm I'm I'm not a I am not a renaissance man I I have what does a renaissance man like what does that entail though it's somebody of like lots of interest in abilities right and lots of abilities in in areas of of expertise and other things like that I'm so like Michael Patrick Shields he is definitely right maybe Jack Ebling Renaissance Man absolutely yeah there you go uh spawn of stout sponsors folks it's been a minute okay I was enjoying my dinner at Frandor most underrated patio front 43 Pub before stopping by pure options I wondered will the hash blue wall ever hold Ward Manuel accountable for the Litany of things that have happened in his regime um yeah I well he must do some things really well and I I'm not saying that to be sarcastic like I because I mean there are things that we don't see it's the front-facing stuff that doesn't always look great for Ward but maybe that's you know he must have a lot of abilities that that that that we don't see uh next one from Spawn this mediocre mid- Michigan sports reporter on his groovy Donuts sugar high was thinking even if Jonathan Smith puts together a hopeful season like my good t-rexx armed friend couch suggests will anyone see it it's easier to drive in Kabul than East Lancing okay I I will say um it is hard to get today that getting from MSU football interviews down to the studio MH was the most roundabout series of wait that Street's closed too still on Trowbridge right and even downtown there were more yeah it was it was it was absolutely uh it was absolutely brutal um you know what's not hard to get to though amazingly it's avoided the construction somehow Tim Stout's house groovy donuts oh yes so very easy to get The Groovy donuts and um yeah it's it's look Lake lanting Road Williamson on Grand River I mean it's very easy to get there go to groovy donuts.com place an order they'll have it ready for you or just swing by get two dozen say or get a dozen get six save one for your wife she'll be happy you get five duts and she thinks you brought them home for her brought it home for her so it's it's really the uh the be on that treadmill in no time yeah yeah absolutely you won't even know yeah it's again 7 AM to 1 pm Thursday through Sunday uh yeah bring some uh bring some happiness into some people's lives with groovy Donuts neurotic pants would MSU having brought back anonio instead of promoting Barnett have resulted in a few more wins I doubt he'd onside kick with eight minutes left in the game um it's interesting cuz I don't know Antonio man out the game for a while I do think he would have managed certain things better I don't know if he knew the roster well enough how the staff would have reacted to that maybe it would have been better maybe it would have been worse maybe they beat Ruckers I I don't know that's a really good question I don't know you know he'd been out of the game for a while and whether he yeah I I don't know that that it gets any better Mike Scott if ISO retires after this year who would be the leading candidates to replace him if it was this year that's a great great question I don't know um but you know Allen Hower ought to have a list of people he's starting to consider just because you never know like his job is to not be caught off guard by it I was caught off guard by that question Allen how's job is to not be caught off guard um you know the one person on staff I think that would have any sort of shot down the road but I don't know after this year be Saudi Washington um I don't know how much impact ISO would have on it I think he would have some say um you know would there be somebody who you know the shock is smart to the world are real happy in a good fit at Marquette I don't know that he would make that move is he young enough to do it um it's a really good question I I don't know where where you go I I do think MSU basketball though more than any other MSU Sport and MSU football has gone through this a little bit when they've had openings where they've been surprised by some of the names that have reached out to them like Allan Hower won't even tell me off the record on some of this stuff but I someday if he writes a book the people who reached out like this offseason who had interest who were sitting head coaches it was sometimes you're like whoa okay that's interesting you know people you think are happy somewhere or something I think MSU basketball because of what it's become and over the last 25 years would get names of people we haven't even thought about who would be interested in that interested in leaving their places and it would be a really interesting search Mike Scott Jason what value does a sport sports card need to have to invest in getting it graded what are the best grading companies just curious um to be honest with you there's a guy junk wax hero I think on Twitter where he gets all the early 90s cards graded and they're you can find them in a quarter box but it's it all that's the great thing about the hobby is you can just do whatever you want to do with your collection you can just collect old 90s cards if you want so B basically the grading company wants your money so they'll grade whatever you pretty pretty much send them so uh Varsity Softball Dad I've spent the better part of the summer researching high school mascots I am one of America's foremost mascot enthusiasts do you share my love of the jdubs it is a top 1% mascot in this great nation I was a you know I'm kind of a big Reds and I I guy that JD's a sexon mascot laning seon and it came from they used to be called J dubs because it was JW Sexton high school so um yeah but I I I I don't I don't even know what the mascot is what does it look like J dubs just as the name I I would be curious to see your order and tell me some of the other great ones I in Freeport when I was there we had great mascots we were the Freeport pretzels was the main biggest high school in town you had the polo like 30 30 Mi South was the polo Marcos you had just North the Monroe Cheese makers I mean it was a just a a hotb of great mascot names uh Varsity Softball dad did I cancel my subscription to the Battle Creek Inquirer because of your whack ass Michigan's title isn't diminished in the eyes of others because of their cheating and opinion yes actually no it was because I've been paying full price for over a year yeah I apologize for that yeah you got to look for another deal I appreciate it though I appreciate you 2 cents for 2 months is that what it is right now yeah good yeah get it now yeah and there might be one now that's like 45 bucks for a year which is not a bad deal either because you break that down it's like less than four bucks a month but if you want it delivered it's $1.8 million correct and then it goes up to 2.9 Million next year then you can't cancel Sunshine Spartan if you went on a cruise do you do an Excursion or stay on the boat and play in the casino first of all I'm never going on a cruise would you what would you if you were on a cruise would you well I mean do I have drugs because I mean the Excursion is to go get drugs I'm guessing and then maybe do something fun no I mean like if you so if I if I needed drugs I'd go on the Excursion if I had drugs I'd stay on the boat and play I'm definitely the Excursion I mean I would want if you're doing like a Greek Islands or Alaska trip on a a a you want to get off and see the you don't want to just be on the boat you know otherwise I can sit in Port like yeah I'm doing the excursions yeah uh Sunshine Spartan did the Tigers have a good trade deadline too early to know and uh it didn't feel great but too early to know but I don't think they did in relatively you know in what Toronto got yeah uh anyway we talked about it uh DMB what is the prodical son Max bullah coming back home to coach the MSU defense did Riley bullah bring Trump into the locker room uh did that impact the 2016 SE season give us the juicy details coach well Max Bull's career has taken off as a coach and I I do think you know he'll continue to rise clearly as the bug wants to do it wouldn't be stunned if he wed up at MSU someday and he'd obviously have to um you know uh quickly deal with why he was suspended for the Rose Bowl which you know really is that big a secret but somebody yeah I guess um RI the Riley bullah it wasn't just Riley Riley bullah wasn't alone and that that but that locker room with that didn't have great leadership was definitely impacted by the 2016 election and you got to go back to that time people weren't used to the divisiveness yet it was it was really new and Michigan State lacked leadership on that particular team 2015 a year earlier that team would have been is affected they had leadership both and sort of you know both sides all around the locker room they would have been fine if those guys had still been around and it was just the wrong time for that deal and but yes Riley was was part of that and it affected the season not in a positive way fart soup who likes black people more Donald Trump or Honda don't even know what am I'm doing here what do we thank you for the question sir all the questions for you to go I don't know I don't know could go either way you really could fart soup for some reason the Stanley Cup just popped into my head quite a while back I recall the rub saying he would take it to Venezuela never saw that coming what on Earth is rubbe doing in Venezuela with a Stanley Cup I mean what are you not doing definitely doing drugs yeah I don't know I just figured Venezuela sounds like a fun time it's pretty much I mean there's some rest here in there but but yeah I would have to look into that first yeah maybe someone look into that for me like like Tre make sure everything politically uh is happening there uh Captain dumb [ __ ] I don't watch baseball explain Javier bayz to me in MSU basketball terms Foster lawyer Joey Hower first season Gabe Brown oh no it's much worse than any those guys that's insulting to them it would but you have to be elite win a World Series because jav jav bayas was a great player right and then fade well he had certain flaws but I I would say I would Foster lawyer might I mean if you consider High School too that's true Foster lawyer and then he's and then he never well here's what I would say though I the closest thing like Adam Michigan State Career I can think of is somebody like a uh a Chris Hill who had kind of that senior Swoon he was great for a few years and then struggled that's not even fair that doesn't Beat Foster lawyer though because I mean I watched the Foster lawyer get kicked in the chest in a in a college basketball game jav bayas though is like having Shawn Wert for three years or two years and then freaking Jason Nick for the last two like it's just not it's not there's nothing there's nothing to compare Captain dumb [ __ ] it shocks me that you say you haven't been to a movie in five years why I go almost every week and see every new movie wow well no why wait well why do you do that you every single he likes the theater I understand that but you know you can ask why yeah no I teach their own I I'm I five years is wild if if and if I'm sort of a chameleon with stuff my wife likes like I like camping we're never going to Camp cuz she hates to camp but if I I had married somebody who lik the camp I'd like camping I'd be fine but I don't care either way like camping and my wife is a fair field in like we don't we don't we don't do that and um and so if if like Elizabeth is like let's go to a movie tonight yeah let's go she just she does she likes to be in the house watching movies and so that's so one night you go hey let's go see a movie Well yeah if and if there's something I really want to see I would do that I just I don't you know they don't have trailers out the same way it used to be remember you used to be watching TV and it'd be like there'd be a preview for this new movie that was all the time and I was like oh I want to see that and the only way to see that like the guy with the voice yeah yeah used to be the best and you know yeah that stuff doesn't exist anymore so I don't even know when it's coming out and like three days after it comes out they're like we give up it's on Netflix you're like all right cool uh Hans juren is football back football is back the greatest taken show history it's up there Carmen Electra is hot just for the simple fact I had nothing else football back I couldn't even make up anything El did football's back became a t-shirt didn't it though or not I don't know but it it certainly became that we produced I don't think so it became exciting for people football at back is I I think had some leg this is dumb uh Hans juren will Jonathan Smith open any scrimmages or practices to the media no uh I mean we have the first 20 minutes of practice that open um and we see some stretching and some individual drills and it is what it is uh they have a scrimmage Saturday and then uh a week from Saturday I think or Friday wait they have two scrimmages in the next like eight days and um those big scrimmages I think but I we will not see any of them uh Hans juren if Mel Tucker wins his lawsuit will you chip in to pay the damages your column brought him down I don't think my column did I mean I I did write that I don't think he'll ever coach again at Michigan State Overnight as the thing broke uh but I don't think that had anything to do I was not on the phone that day yeah I don't we don't have enough time for all of that Hans apparently Jace Richardson blocked at least three of Xavier Booker shots in a Moneyball game should we be concerned what if Chris salari blocked three of your shots would you leave the sports industry move to to joaan there's a big difference I mean that would be great to watch you get swatted by Solari the gap between me and Solari is much greater than the gap between Jay Richardson and Xavier Booker in terms of blocks like Gris salari could never block my shot it would it be amazing I would be I would have to have like a seizure or something for it to happen and so Jay Richardson's like a division one athlete so I I don't know it's m when you take those so seriously too Hans Jurgen did you hear that Lee Greenwood said you should be proud to be a bisexual because at least you know your sex organs are free yeah I don't think he said that but I appreciate you Hans yeah that wouldn't sound like Lee uh Jake Hawkins what do you think cities that bid for the Olympics build up new buildings and let them go to [ __ ] what rules and regulations would you put in place for cities bidding for future Olympics I do think this is important and you've seen cities that you know Athens was probably the worst where they just buil built a lot of stuff that that went to waste and to me I would want to try to give it to cities that were doing one of two things were either largely building an infrastructure of things they could sustain they wanted a new stadium for professional basketball team they wanted a new Olympic Stadium whatever it might be um or had a lot of things already in place and so you're yeah I think those those are important things um yeah for sure cuz I yeah I don't like when it's just dumb next one from the hawk since you once lived in and went to college in Chicago do you think they could ever host a summer olympics I can't remember how close they were on the bidding or if they didn't want it in like 200 at some point there was some talk of it I'm grateful they didn't because I would have never gone during that whole buildup I mean it's there's enough traffic sh you should never want the Olympics unless you're a city that sort of can use them to elevate you like I even Paris as cool as it is Paris doesn't need the Olympics um Chicago doesn't need the Olympics just I mean I guarantee you this if Chicago gets the Olympics I'm not going for like 3 years while they're building things and and creating construction and so yeah you get two weeks of more people in town but there's a lot of us would be like f off and and Le I I I would never want Chicago to have the Olympics or any City that I that I uh are they up for the Olympics or he's just asking I think they basically said they didn't want it yeah uh Jake do you think Vegas saw the whole Mel Tucker debacco coming and that's the reason they put MSU at only five and a half wins last year no I don't I can't remember I feel like we answered this but sometimes some of these are like last week's questions I'm like I already read this once um I don't I I don't think they did no Jake Hawkins is your conf uh is your confidence in Tigers GM Scott Harris slowly starting to dip it's not slowly it's dipped for a while now I just it's not that I think he can't I just you're talking about my confidence in him I'm not saying he's done he's not saying he's bad I just don't have a lot of confidence in him right now do you have any confidence in him I do have confidence I just think that he's being uh um watched over by illich okay I think Harris is a good talent talent evaluator so uh Upper Deck jerk guy how is the Jonathan Smith regime with the media compared to the last two coaches uh similar I would say you know I think there's going to be a little more access during uh the week so um during the season I'm excited about that uh but it's it's pretty similar it's not bad it's it's it's you know there are places where it's not as good um but um yeah it's it's not like spectacular or anything like that he's I still blame Jim comparon by the way for all all our lack of access in football no I mean he he's the one like 1996 he from what I understand he transcribed a lot of what was said by Nick Sabin during an open spring practice and that was sort of the end of that and Nick Sabin has been so influential to football and the coaching tree and how things are done if Nick Sabin had open practices and kept them open like pearish used to I truly believe practices across the country might still be open to this day and so Jim comparoni you blame comp I I I have to blame somebody I love it yeah that's great uh Upper Deck jerk Guy what's your favorite weird smell gasoline probably dude I was just about to say the same thing yeah yeah just good for some reason I like it you get out you ever if you ever fart though do you turn and like try to smell it or no no I don't want it I mean think you're lying I'm worried sometimes got a cop of smell just to make sure just why why would you want to do that just to make sure everything's healthy I mean if's yeah dude if I fart and I blow someone over with it I I mean that's not it's not a good thing oh I see if you blow heat and like clear a room I mean yeah it's funny for a second but in all honesty inside what's going on in there the worst thing is when you you fart and then you can hear your wife like a about end the room you're like oh [ __ ] I got to come up with something we got to keep her out of this area I guess uh Upper Deck jerk guy is Aiden child a dark horse Heisman candidate would course yeah yeah I would say not because I don't think the team's going to win enough for him to first of all I think he's too young to he probably won't be consistent enough um but it's fun to dream yeah I just don't think the the variables are in place jerk guy what freshman stands out the most this basketball season yeah I I don't know whether you know it would be either Kurt Tang or Jayce Richardson and you hear I I think they've been really happy with both guys and Tang they said has been their best shooter which is a little surprising to me um but that's what ISO said the other day Jay Richards coming off Money Ball yeah yeah but I would I would guess it's probably Kurt Tang were you surprised they won the money ball right his team I was surprised as well as he played and yeah no I think it's I got a little bit Tony debrowski about it I gotta say yeah no with Kang I think there you know one of the things I talked to Desmond about this because you Desmond played briefly in the NBA he knows what you know created Money Ball Desmond Ferguson what do you think of my game Desmond be honest he just talked about the value of it is it does allow guys to try different things and gain some confidence and you know there there are there is value to it um does it always translate no but there is it's not like there's zero value to it jerk guy what person does the term dag most apply to does dag even mean hold on with a d okay it's an entertainingly eccentric person what person does that it's definitely Jason it's the r yeah why can't you just say exciting person dag eccentric eccentric Centric exciting all right jerk guy to end this thing here after what happened last week in Monday would you consider yourself a pro pricor perator perator somebody who uh a person who speaks falsely or avoids the truth absolutely I mean [ __ ] everybody masturbate I mean that's true so I mean there is is that I guess so thank youor we appreciate all of you for producing our show as always we will be back Monday with a uh hot take show two shows again next week then we'll get back in the three show Rhythm um and uh so probably Monday and Thursday again next week we appreciate pure options go to Pure options.com check out the location nearest uh nearest you and if you spend $50 or more and let them know couch of the RO sent you free E of progrow terrific in-house brand uh we appreciate groovy donuts and um yeah just do yourself a favor and get yourself groovy donut it's not should sell itself I don't know know why we're talking about groovy Donuts it's it's obvious again 6: to 11:00 p.m. uh Friday and Saturday um at uh front 43 and cask and Company their anniversary celebration lots of cool stuff going on you go take a picture let us know let us know you've been there and 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