Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S01E01: Swingin’ Ick(Tok)

welcome to crains don't wait a week for a new video join our patreon at the crappin on demand level for instant recap Access Link in description enjoy the show well hello and welcome to watch with crappin a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on yield Braes and hul today I'm Ronnie that's Ben over there hello Ben hi Ronnie how are you guys um Secret Lives of Mormon wives is upon us it is a Hulu show about the secret not so Secret Lives of Mormon wives and uh they dropped all episodes at once which means it's kind of rough for us to talk about because we're watching it not all episodes at once so we haven't I don't know how that How It Ends so I don't we don't have fully formed opinions on the entire thing like a lot of you will which puts us at a weird disadvantage also as weeks go on you know listenership drops because you guys are excited for it for one weekend when you binge it and then after that it's like who cares you know so we don't know that we're gonna do this whole thing but we definitely wanted to recap the first episode because wow what a show what a show Ben what think you listen it doesn't matter what I think what matters is what mom talk thinks and honestly this episode that Ronnie and I are recording right now is to prove that we can change people's perceptions of what two gay men can be and we're going to do it through mom talk so are you all with me put your hand in the middle 3 two 1 mom talk mom talk mom talk oh my God this I'm fighting the patriarchy with um stationary dances um on Tik Tok with my friends also I'm gonna fight the patriarchy by letting all of my friends blow my husband and then I'm going to blow their husbands too I'm going to fight the patriarchy by letting the men [ __ ] whoever they want sound fun this show is great it's hilarious I was cracking up through I watched the first two episodes I was cracking up through all of it it's so amazing um how like it's it's wild it's a really wild show uh it's hilarious how they really feel like what they're doing on mom talk is so important and then um uh also funny how they're all like 12 years old and they all have kids and they also talk about how they want to change our ideas of like what being a modern woman is in the Mormon church and yet for all their interviews they're dressed like they're Pioneers so I'm like it's great it's a great show and they all look the same for the most part there's so much to unpack here as they would say on the o Braves let's start the unpacking shall we so we see um someone in in a pink dress sitting for an interview turns out to be Taylor Frankie Paul I'm waiting to see or just one person by the way Taylor Frankie Paul is just one person it's not three people yeah it's not like three little boys in a house who are being called for dinner Taylor Frankie Paul Taylor Frankie Paul Taylor Frankie Paul God damn it um it is um a girl in our preview we disc uh we discussed that she kind of dances teeth forward she's very teeth forward she is very young and has already gotten reality star Chompers she's got like she's got season two Chompers and that's how we know that this cast is dedicated they showed up for reality TV with season two everything season two face it she even has her season two boobs she just got new boobs put in she said herself she got season two teeth uh Whitney is her [ __ ] flower has already bloomed that usually doesn't happen until season two I mean this cast is really they've come prepared well they've in some ways they've had their season one it just didn't happen on Hulu it just it happened on Tik Tok um Whitney already in her season one she already uh finished the season by moving to Hawaii and um then she starts season two of her life by moving right back because there's a TV show that's going to be filmed so whatever plans they had to move to paradise and avoid troubles at home uh they're like but there's cameras from Hulu there so we're going back to Utah so they kind of are already in like they've already have a season of their lives under their belts yes um but we're older so we don't know any of that follow it I never heard a mom talk I don't know what the [ __ ] they're talking about and everybody they show us these headlines all over the screen they're oh swingers soft swingers which I love that [ __ ] Utah even has soft swinging like were soft drinks not enough you had to like make swinging more boring too you know what I mean so yeah we see all these news things and then the producer is like so Taylor tell us how a couple of Mormon moms getting together make Tik toks suddenly turns into this crazy swinging sex scandal and then um Taylor's like really uncomfortable and um we start to hear um that Sam Smith song which was in my head for the entire rest of the day up until this very moment as well yeah they're like sin it's Sam Smith which you know I don't know if I think was it on the Grammys or something did a performance of this and it was like Sam Smith In A bodysuit with fire everywhere and horns was like Satan you know they're like satanic like yes we're gonna really get him we're not only doing soft swinging we're doing like soft heavy metal Sam Smith's new album so so Taylor's like it started so innocent you know me and all these moms we we were just like filling the same thing oh and also we get the on this yes going to what going to jail that's when you get arrested you go to gel go to gel so yeah they it's like the this is like Whitney Rose like un crack with the fillings and hillings so um basically this Whitney is like I grew up in a glass box thinking that everybody looks this way and we see them in their like these blue coats which I don't know if that's like a Mormon thing or that's just an outfit they put on for the show someone on Reddit hi Reddit said they think that is a non to the handmaid's taale which I'm not sure handmaid's tail isn't really about empowerment I'm not I'm just one they're really trying to sell for empowerment and that's not really what well I guess handmaid ta ultimately is you know they are definitely fighting it so I don't know how do we look at the handmaid's tail okay discuss so then um Michaela so we're just interviewing all the different ladies you know and Whitney's like I just grew up thinking everybody in the world is Mormon and then we see a girl named michaa and she's like we have so many rules to follow no swearing no piercing or no you're allowed I guess one piercing no caffeine no alcohol no tattoos your body's a temple I was like oh God so it's like Weight Watchers basically you know Min is the tattoos part and that was Michaela spelled m i k a y l a and now we go to m spelled m a y c i we're not supposed to have sex before marriage which oops and we go back to Michaela and she's like yeah have kids by the time you're 21 or in my case 16 and we see a photo of her at 16 having like like a baby and like a baby beorn and little little teenage Michaela is like oh my god what the [ __ ] am I supposed to do the rest of my life yeah she's so pretty to be having a bab I mean it's just you feel for her I'm like you just come on do something else no baby no baby B other things it's too young no offense M cuz my MIM had my mom at 16 it's rough it's a rough road so um although it doesn't seem like it here she's like it was great so then Taylor's like yeah the mom's like love the foundation of our church like love family service and they're like yeah we have we're supposed to be like examples of Higher Living but for a lot of us following the rules of the Mormon religion it's just it's impossible and Taylor says we were raised to be these Housewives for the men serving their every desire well I'm like [ __ ] this so I created mom talk the ultimate expression of rebellion yeah and then it's just girls dressed in Lululemon doing dances you know we see a lot of them she fighting the man one Lulu outfit at a time she's like yeah started as a group of Mormons like making Tik toks and there was just something so fing about it it was like a dancing which is Fring but you couldn't like dance freely because like that takes too much space you just have to dance like in this much space mostly with your arms say vertical yeah it was very freeing dancing in such a confined ratio um so then we meet Jesse who says when it comes to the Mormon scale there's definitely a wide range like some are more Mormon than others but in mom talk I don't feel like we should be judging people whether they go to church every Sunday or not wearing their special underwear reading their special books wow you're really turning everything upside down and Jen's like yeah we're a new generation of Mormon women we have a platform that the generation before us didn't have and then we see a Tik Tok of her dancing with her husband presumably and they're like yeah we're powerful women we're changing stigma of gender roles in the Mormon culture we're gonna let our husbands have sex with more women I was like wait a minute guys you're going backwards in the Mormon culture I know you're doing it like on Tik Tok now but Mormon is the is the religion of polygamy you guys are like we're going to really change things we're rolling it back to polygamy time but now you don't have to marry him you know what in the olden days if you made a Tik Tok you had to be dressed like Sarah Plain and Tall but now we're wearing at leisure that's right we're changing it all up God then we didn't have Tik Tok back then shoot we didn't even hear Tik toks they weren't allowed watches very puritanical back in the day back in 1862 what they would do is they' take some logs and they would just put them up in a frame so that way it was like a 9 by6 window surrounded by logs and you go in between them you just dance but now we show we can do it on a phone yeah and so they're talking about like becoming famous overnight basically and uh gaining zillions of followers Macy is like um I think I have like um 1.5 million followers or something like that that's how I could afford these contacts she's wearing like these piercing blue contacts yes these little tiny dots for pupil what she can kind of peek out of and it just makes her look terrifying not that the blue eyes look so crazy on her but I guess it's that your pupil never moves so it's like no matter how bright or how dark it is your pupils are just always the same you know and it it it ends up being terrifying because she's kind of they're kind of presenting Macy as kind of one of the dorkier ones or like I think I think that's what they're going for that's what I'm getting is that she's kind of one of the dorier ones she talks to her teeth a lot and she's like more Innocent but think she's going to turn out to be kind of evil as it goes on I feel like Macy is going to be the one who's friends with everyone she's like the goet between the two groups that kind of start to split like start to happen by the end of episode two um by the way I I Cann but wonder do we think that like Lisa Barlo is at home right now doing mom talks of herself she's like yeah I'm like a cool mom talk as well hey doing a little dance for this is for you jack yeah well this is the time that yeah everybody was doing those on the Instagram all the because it was during the pandemic you know so everybody started doing these online you I wonder what Shakira's doing well she's doing a Tik Tok she doing a Tik Tock dance she's hey mom talk so anyway Michaela says well yeah I probably have like two million followers I love that I love M yeah I probably have like two million followers and then I just turned into um this whole group is Swinging with each other yeah just no natural progression like we went viral we all started [ __ ] each other's wait wait a minute wait a minute rewind um I'm trying to I have the video up in front of me so I can can I so I can see everybody CU there are like so many white people it's like when you are standing in the grocery aisle trying to pick a flower and you're like these are all the same but you know they're not and like some of them have like slightly different graininess like how many times have I Googled Bob's Redmill in my life that's what I felt like watching this show yeah like the line between Demi and Jen is very difficult like which one is which yeah so then um she Taylor is explaining it she's like well we started having parties like really wild things ended up on Reddit because like one of the moms from from Mom talk like oh my God my blood was boiling when I saw it was on Reddit like I mean so finally I just had to get on Tik Tok live and like there were like 50 or 60,000 people there and I exposed it okay and then we see clips of her it's like okay so we would like have parties or like 50 you know wait I'm sorry we' have like parties where there was was like a group of us and then we would like get intimate with each other and like it happened several times and we've all made out with the husbands and no one was innocent everyone's hooked up with like everyone well you know what that is not fair and I can see why the girls are all mad at her and she's telling us it was more like orgies you know and uh it just kind of blew up yeah it kind of blew up but I don't think that's fair where you go have orgies and then you go out everybody at the orgy like it's supposed to secret yeah I don't think it's up to you to do that and yeah I totally would understand if I was like in that orgy and I'm like uh don't want like I don't think our brand needs to know about our orgy tayor so then everyone's phone start ringing and it's like all of a sudden my phone started like blowing up and I'm like what's happening and then Whitney's like Utah is like a small town and we couldn't go anywhere rumors being made about my family and Taylor's like it was painful it was awful and then Demi goes and at this point I'm like can mom talk even survive this so they're like if you think that was crazy wait till you see what happens now and then we see Montage of what's coming this season when is the girls with a mail strip club and then someone's making out in a hot tub and people are crying then it cuts back to Taylor and she goes holy [ __ ] and then we get the opening credits which I get it I curse enjoy the show I just curse you guys you just tuned in and saw morvin say the f word yeah we're changing everything I don't know can mom talk even survive the f word it's an existential question for our times [ __ ] the patriarchy yeah I said [ __ ] so then we go to um I did notice by the way that several of them would say fa like they wouldn't actually say [ __ ] they would be like I'm like what the fall so we see the opening and um here are their names Whitney Michaela Jen Jesse Leila Demi Macy and Taylor Yes sounds Jessie uh Jen I remember because that's Jen Affleck and then there's Demi I remember I think Jesse Jesse is the one with the jiz Billboards I think right I think she is um I think so yeah because it would be either her Jen or is Jen the one I don't know I think Jen is the one who dresses like a little oldfashioned doll but it's 22 years old so the first scene we get is a coffee meeting it's the housewives we've just fought for a season let's regroup and see who's still friends so we have uh Taylor Frankie Paul meeting up with who's this Macy okay so they meet up and we see a little bit about Macy and um her husband looks like a doll a living doll I don't even know if he's living actually actually because I just see his picture here he's not moving and he is like he looks like a tooth commercial and an eyebrow commercial he looks like a commercial for General whiteness like if you were trying to sell whiteness to somebody you'd be like hey do you need someone to offer you like free checks from a bank it's this guy yeah um so basically so Taylor sits down with Macy and Taylor's like talking about she's also talking introducing herself to us she goes I'm Taylor Frankie Paul I'm 28 am from Salt Lake City Utah I was like a really wild child like I did it all you know partying drinking saying the FW nothing was off limits one time I played an R-rated video game while drinking a Coke so watch the F out okay bro so she's like right after high school I got married in the temple and I was like being pressured to by the church and my mom you know cuz she knew that Tate and I were having sex before marriage so you know I just like had a hard time like finding my voice yeah and um then we see a photo of Taylor and Tate and he's in a beanie and then she goes mom talk it started with four girls Whitney Macy Michaela and I and then we see like some mom talk stuff and she's like ever since the swinging Scandal though I've been like really trying to keep it a low profile and I haven't seen the girls in months so I'm like really excited so it's the classic like oh no the prodal daughter has returned know she's been Outcast but can she come back to mom talk will they welcome her back well mom talk survive so Macy is talking about being from Orange County and like yeah I tell everyone I'm from California so they know I'm cool okay here's kind of how I know who this whole cast is right off the bat because I love to read signs as they come up on TV and this is one for the coffee shop that they're at it says maybe coffee is is addicted to me oh and I feel like that describes this show it's like you can have caffeine it's not your fault it's the coffee's fault so yeah uh Macy I was gonna call her Casey gonna get in trouble she's like yeah um basically I've been married to my husband for five years and we have two kids and I'm a bad [ __ ] that's who I am sounds like it wow like wow you're a a bad [ __ ] so she's like it's just it's so great to see Taylor I haven't seen her in so long because I've been busy doing bad [ __ ] things you know and since all the drama came out like being a swinger and exposing everything I'm just like excited to get together and start mom talk back up like the bad [ __ ] I am so they're like oh my God they hug and they sit down and Macy's like oh my God I need to hear about you and Dakota that's the tea I really want what's the tea girl what's the tea and Taylor's like no you need to go first because I'm literally not gonna stop talking once I start so how are you in that white guy you married and she's like Jacob your window she goes Jacob oh my God like I feel like Jacob like never initiates like sex do you talk to him about it or do you just bore me with it no it's like really like it's like in depth and like maybe I feel like I should but like what do I do like do I just like put on lingerie and like walk around the house like I'm like a bad [ __ ] bad [ __ ] shouldn't have to do that yeah I'm like a bad [ __ ] and he's just a [ __ ] like I don't even understand like who doesn't want this like what am I supposed to do walk around in laundry I just don't get it okay check out a site called seancody.com and realize that your husband is at least 50 of those guys then get back then question it a little bit more later repression so Taylor does the okay I think I don't want to talk about this anymore by saying I feel like you should talk to him about it and be like this is how I feel cuz they can't read our minds unfortunately solve that should we talk about me now yeah just tell them how you feel you you want more sex he needs to understand how you feel like he can't read our minds and he shouldn't have to because he's a man we should read their minds okay um so why don't you ask me about me you know it's a huge turn on to guys um talking about your feelings tell you right now both Total hard on makers so um Taylor's like oh Dakota he's like my new boyfriend we met on good old Instagram he's very charismatic he's charming and he's very attractive and then we see photos of him and he's you know literally every other guy on the show very generic yeah um and his eyes are like bugging out so Taylor's like he asked me to be his girlfriend and then we got into like a big fight the next night wait so when you fought like what was he getting mad at you about oh um well because I drank and then like I I drank some more and then some more after that did you get drunk she's like yeah it was my fault like I 100% admit that okay so this is this is a girl she's a train wreck and she [ __ ] up on purpose so that she can go oh my God totally admitted it's my fault she's like a Jax in the way that she loves to confess so she does a lot of bad things so that she can confess yes and and and we know she's a train wreck because of her hair in the interviews this is before uh episode two when she's pregnant and her hair is just more like conservative but here the hair is just like it's up and going in all these different directions and I've been like trying to place like what it is is it like rayan for my so-called life I don't think it is that it's just like it's going in all these different ways it's like combed over and it's like it's like it's almost like if someone took the cake Goslin and let it grow free it's like this is what it would ultimately turn into so she's like yeah like he's like I think I'm just scared to like you you know cuz like a lot goes with me you know like there's me and then there's my kids and then there's my situation and then there's my situation that just came out right which I was totally responsible for and totally reain that down on everybody myself whoa totally take responsibility for that sorry but also this guy I can already tell is a complete douchebag and probably a user and abuser because he contacted you on Instagram because you're [ __ ] famous you've got two million followers he's contacting you to hook up with you and then guilting you for the life you lead when he's seen your life very plainly that's how he hooked up with you in the first place do not trust this man no don't and she's like there's like a there's like a side of me that's like should I be single for me to like go out in my 20s like having fun like I just I just got out of this relationship like I got to get all that out of my system like that I've been wanting and Mac's like yeah I think think the question is from like one bad [ __ ] to a lesser bad [ __ ] but a [ __ ] nonetheless like do you want to do this she goes well we have a lot of trust issues I won't lie yeah yeah I was goingon to say does he have like a lot of trust issues because of like your past you know you being like a all UT you know what I'm saying and she's like yeah like he has trust issues but like I have trust issues too like with him and um we just ignore that and she goes and then like we which I want to know that like what are the trust issues with him what did he do but the friends just like yeah you're a [ __ ] right so she's like yeah and we have trust issues because like we started off on a rocky St because like okay look we posted this Tik Tok together and then things came out on Reddit that we see their stupid Tik Tok and all these girls come on a Reddit and they're like oh my God he was just banging my roommate so yeah yeah a lot of girls are saying like oh he was with my roommate last week or this or that it's like G like now I'm like I don't know if I can even trust you you know I'm like yes that's when you can say I can't trust you it's time to move on like he's literally already cheating on you and then getting on there to get some [ __ ] Tik Tok follows this guy's a douche so then U Macy of course never want to ask an important question the girl just told you she met a guy on Instagram and then a reddit reddit thread started breaking out talking about how he's [ __ ] everybody in town and Macy goes oh see you like drama in your relationship huh you like no I don't you like it you do you like like that he's jealous though like because when someone's jealous it means that they care yeah you you like it because he cares and she's like yeah I guess I do but like also I get scared because like I'm three months out of my situation and I'm a month out of my divorce which I also kind of cost so like do I need to chill because like he even asked me yesterday he's like are you open to getting because she did call doesn't she tell us at one point that she because when I said I caused that as well I was like did she cause her divorce did she say that she cheated on the husband or was she just like [ __ ] this and she left I honestly don't remember because there was like so much that was dropped on us right out the I'll take that back for now because I don't know but I just like the idea of this girl like lighting fires all over town and then being like Oh my god there was a fire which I totally caused that totally take responsibility so it's been like really hard for me to get over the trauma of everything that I just did but Taylor so like what did you say um I was like yes I was like of course I want to get married like I want to have more babies that's like I will do that like that's my plan and he's like um good to know yeah well you better like make sure that he's the right one because you're like Tik Tock famous you're like beautiful you've got teeth like brand new tombstones I mean you've got everything yeah and also like you can get anyone you want cuz again you're a ttf Tik Tok famous okay so I'm like don't settle okay I haven't okay so I haven't met Dakota yet personally and like I need to meet this guy because like I need to see how his personality is I mean like spoiler alert he seems kind of bland I'm just gonna say that bad [ __ ] sorry but like I want to see like I want to see like you like what you see in him you know because none of us can understand it especially not Reddit I'm sorry am I being too honest right now I just feel like we're just kind of similar and she's like yeah I feel like we're similar um no yeah we're like totally the same yeah I don't think so we're like literally like we look the same we don't I'm hotter yeah we're like the same I'm a better dancer like we dance the same I'm I'm better this is getting a little tense I feel like you're about to say some honest truths about me so let's talk about someone else yeah let's talk about Whitney okay I heard Whitney she's moving back she's like coming back tomorrow did you know that Taylor and Taylor's like why would Whitney come back uh because you're on a TV show what the hell do you think Whitney's coming back Whitney's like should I stay in Witness prote program in this glorious vacation town I moved to or no do I stay in literal Paradise of Hawaii or I go back to cold cold Salt Lake City so I could be on TV TV it is yeah so Macy's like Whitney is part of the OG mom talk and then we see a montage of Whitney and she actually says yeah Whitney likes to be like leader of the clan type leader of the clan oh awkward honestly what awkward phrasing to choose the show so Macy goes I honestly thought that when she left a Hawaii I was like I feel like she's going to get fomo and want to come back I mean Hello do they have a cuchina Tuscana in Hawai I don't think so and Taylor's like wait a minute so are they moving back or are they just visiting she goes yeah they're moving back they bought a house sight unseen I was like what is this teenage marriage I honest honestly I don't even know the real reason why they went there to begin with maybe she'll tell us and Taylor's like yeah so I will be seeing her then yeah and by the way she brought up the video again and then we see like the the the famous Tik Tok live the Taylor did that started all this drama yeah and she's like um Tik Tock live swinging confession video Tate and I are getting divorced and I don't know what you would call it it's like soft swinging but you don't like fully switch cuz we had an agreement like all of us and like I stepped out of that agreement like you're not supposed to actually stick it in the bum or the front front or the back but you know you're gonna have to come back another day to find out where it got stuck do we ever find out no she's like what I'm trying to say is we all made an agreement to go to Carell but I went to Ben and& Jerry's instead okay everyone was going soft I went hard ice cream so Taylor is like you know I at least want to explain that to people like my husband wanted to share and he did want to open that up so it was like I caught feelings for a man that my husband welcomed into our house oh so she does kind of talk about it so um she's like well he started it so then she started having feel but do we know who she started maybe I should just keep going through I don't think so not yet so Taylor uh in her video is like yeah no one was innocent everyone's hooked up with everyone in this group no that's not fair you went to these this order then you took it too far past the rules of the open relationship and now you're going to out everybody else that's not fair ma'am nope yeah no boo I'm not inviting you to my next orgy well Macy is like well you know what Whitney crap and orgy coming next year oh my God could you imagine I'm way too lazy for that we would just have I think we would have the best orgy it just we probably wouldn't be having sex we' just be all hanging out watching TV together yeah um yeah I think someone even says later in the show that're ew swinging I barely have enough energy for my husband as it is that's gross I wouldn't do that um so then Macy's like yeah Whitney was like I'm freaking pissed and I was like because like she just kept getting tagged in your video and I think that's why she was upet by the way Macy just has a smile this really tight smile where she's like she and her tiny little pupils that never move and she's just like M Whitney hates you and the reason is because she was getting tagged in videos mhm so you're a mess in your relationship right you just like the attention I think so I think you just like attention right you know what Taylor used to be the face of mom talk but once the whole controversy blew up no one really knew what mom talk even stood for anymore I mean no one really knew what it stood for in the first place but now no one knew what it really stood for about anything so it's just like a bunch of it's like are is it just like a bunch of swingers or are we just like a bunch of Mormon women fighting the patriarchy was it ever was it ever that clear was it is there maybe a middle ground that we could explore because I'm not sure if it was either one of it was probably actually the first thing just a bunch of swingers yeah so now we see all the moms in someone's house making content all right they're creating content guys they're making a Tik Tock so Macy's like yeah mom talk is essentially a content creator house except for we don't actually live together it's not like a Snapchat house it's like a Tik Tok house but like not a Tik Tok house because we don't all live in the same house yeah yeah so these are like the um this is this is like the Hoy pooy of mom talk so you know you've got Whitney and you've got Taylor as the two people buying for mom talk and now these are all the these are the plees that um that get have been recruited onto the platform so she's like yeah you could say that like a lot of us on mom talk look similar but it's mostly because our forefathers have determined to keep our jeans clean so that's been pretty fun we all have a similar style or similar look but we're just going off based off of what's trending in our group so so for instance if Jesse wears a white shirt I'll wear a white shirt it's just what's trending guys so we see them and she goes she also goes yeah especially in Utah cuzz like what can I say there's a lot of white [ __ ] here so then we cut to all the white [ __ ] doing a dance and stuff and it's they have some twerking in here and I just I guess you know what know your audience you know because there are like millions of people obviously who are like oh my God I'm totally signed up to these white girls twerking and they're doing great but you know for some of us who don't understand what's happening on our television screens it's like do we need more white girls twerking I feel like there's always that one Stew on below deck there's that one white girl who's like I Twerk and it's like having 20 of those on One show and we see them all trying to twerk and um poor Michaela she's all the way in the back when we did our trailer breakdown we saw the scene and Michaela like everyone's moving to the right she moves to the left she is chronically outbeat she cannot keep up and you just see her just trying to like be like wait what's twerking I just got the electric slide down last week I can't move on to another Dam step they're like please try michaa she's like sorry so then Macy's like yeah when we appear in each other's videos we get more likes and then we get more followers and we all benefit because we make more money and uh which is why the most powerful one the one with the most followers is the most powerful one and I believe that's Taylor Frankie Paul so she may have [ __ ] everybody over but they all have to be nice to her because she has the most followers and they all want to get on her channel right yeah and so now they're all just like hanging out being girlfriends just like having that natural banter that comes from being in mom talk and like Demi pulls down the zipper on Jen's shirt and they're like oh my God and they're like oh my God your boobs they're like your boobs are boobing the breasts are breasting the zipper is zippering I love this slang and they're she's like nursing that's why one of the girls is like oh my God I'm like shocked at how low garmenting or like the breastfeeding garments are like you have a little cleave Edge well yeah it's it's an ENT and an exit you got to whip that thing out what do you want a turtle so they all like guys let's go and look at comfy okay should we go to the white couch on this floor the white couch on the second floor let's go to the second floor white couch okay let's do that so they all um they go actually to the living room and they sit down to like chat and and then Michaela's like um so has anyone talk to Taylor yacht like oh my God she's like holding people at arms length distance right now so then we cut to Taylor who's going to her mom's house um her mom's a character who's her mom her mom is like oh my God I'm going to be on Hulu how can I look like ABY Lee Miller okay someone teach me all the she really is Abby Lee Miller like at a like ready to go it's like a page me and some gold earrings and then Abby Miller coated she really is so Taylor's like yeah I'm going over to my mom's house today cuz like I've had a secret I've been holding on to it and I'm like so nervous about it like cross my fingers my mom doesn't kill me cross my fingers it's like huge this is a secret but I just want to say I totally take responsibility for whatever I did yeah her mom also by the way looks incredibly young like at least at least in this scene I was like what this is the mom so uh's like hey what's going on she's like oh nothing Mom they're just like driving me n today my kids okay here here's a granola bar bye so um they basically have some small talk and everything and the mom's like do I need to watch the kids again you're going on a date she's like yeah Dakota and then the mom's like Oh God so you're starting to see Dakota more she goes yeah oh my God Mom I didn't tell you you asked me to be my girlfriend sorry my bad totally took responsibility for that so funny story Dakota and I made this Tik Tock of saying should we date or should we not and of course my mom goes on and gets in there and she's like literally puts in a red flag emoji and gets like a ton of likes so I go and delete it and then she goes where' my comment go it had so many likes and I was like oh my God off my she said no I demand to know where my my comment went and I was like well I made a Tik Tok and I asked people if I should like delete your comment or leave your comment and then people were like delete your comment so I [ __ ] my boyfriend on Tik Tok I'm sorry my bad I'd let the story get away from me and then my mom said something weird something about how Dakota is at the bottom of the pyramid this week and I was like I don't understand what you're even talking about Mom yeah so I grew up in a brutal honest family so like you guys are going to get to know my mom like I love her but like she will be at the top of your comments so um she's like been very against Dakota like we shouldn't date we shouldn't do this we shouldn't do that we shouldn't just like have a baby after knowing each other for like two weeks yada yada yada you know she's gonna tell the truth and she's gonna tell me how she feels so she's like so M she's still like watching my kids and she's like it's hard they're hard they're challenging okay okay they could be with you more and she well I have them 50% of the time like divorced parents do I think she meant like with you and not with her yeah yeah Taylor I you could you could actually take care of your own children sometimes Taylor she's like I am an old lady I am 37 years old I can't do this really old mom I meant like early bird gets the worm Meal special in 30 years need help Mom do you think I'm a bad person for those mistakes that I did I don't think you're a bad person I just think that you've done bad things because you're a bad person oh yeah okay yeah you're a bad person I rais a little devil I'm sorry God I don't think you're a bad person but your grammar is terrible so so have you talk to your bishop or the church about anything oh yeah you know as we do like you know [ __ ] a few people talk about it on Tik Tok go straight to the bishop did you see my Tik Tok so she's like no and she goes how come Taylor and she's like I don't I know cuz like if they're going to like excommunicate me I don't have time for that Mom she like well when you're out there soft swinging what do you expect he can't just soft swing without repercussions from the Lord so um now we go back listen I want you to go talk to the bishop and the entire Temple about soft swinging okay so now we go back to the other girls talking on their white sofas and Jesse is like you know what with all the soft swinging what does that even mean do you guys know what they did and then Demi's like I think they just did everything but sex that's what I understand and the girls are like oh my God like what does that mean what does that even mean and someone's like yeah oral and she goes yeah it's like swapping in front of each other while you're standing next to each other and they're like oh my God and these girls are like the clean girls so they have like the dirty girls who are The Tick Tock girls and then they have like the clean girls who are like oh my God that is disgusting but this is like the majority of them so who I first of all I feel bad for all these girls because they weren't included like they weren't no one was like you guys are hot my husband wants to bang you you know and I feel kind of bad because you look whether or not you want to go to a party we all want to be invited right so I kind of feel bad for them about being excluded from the key party but also who are the people who did The Swinging was it just Taylor like who is it I I I have no idea I think the implication was that it was like Whitney and her man and I don't know I don't know who else because Michaela is Michaela was one of the founding women of this group so I'm not sure which of these women are part of it which one aren't it's sort of like traitors where they're all just pretend like they're like who here is a faithful and who here is a swinger but I thought it wasn't Whitney because Whitney was like that ruined my reputation I can't believe you would do that now everybody looks at us like we're swingers and I was like but are you swingers or you listen um I'm sure Whitney was not a swinger uh based on her totally not guilty conscience uh activity of moving um to Hawaii well it's it's interesting isn't it because she moves to Hawaii which is like a vacation kind of a place where I'm sure like a lot of people go to get laid which is you know it's not like you're moving to I don't know Alaska or something like that and also she has this other guilty habit of changing her look in every scene like she's always got a different color hair a different haircut she looks like a totally different person she looks like she's in witness protection and same with her husband like one like one scene he has like blonde long frosted tips and then the very next scene has got like no hair yeah super weird so then Jesse is like I just love that's like okay we can do everything but sex so it's fine but it's like no you're still sucking someone's dick and M like oh my God oh my God that is you are like a bad you a bad [ __ ] too and Jen's hiding her face in her hands like sorry Jen okay I said it sucking dick Jen's like oh my God stop please you don't understand I'm dressed like an 1835 doll in my interviews I can't be here be associated with the word sucking dick so then we meet Jesse and Jesse Jesse's the one I said looked like Larry David's wife from Curb Your Enthusiasm when I said that I didn't know that she was RFK Jr's wife did you no Cheryl Hines Cheryl Hines is married to to RFK Jr yeah the guy who was running for president yeah cuz then when he dropped out and then he said he was for Trump now and then everybody was like [ __ ] you Cheryl Hines dying a fire and I was like oh my god I didn't even know that they I was like why is everybody yelling at Cheryl Hines the day that I I saw her on a Mormon wives preview Cheryl Hines is like oh my God I'm married into the kennedies I can't believe I'm part of America's Camelot and it's like oh you got RFK junr sorry the one from Southern Charm is something for yeah you got the wrong one so um she this girl Jesse J she owns a hairdresser she owns a hairdressing company like a salon hair extension company and a hair school and I'm guessing that they do Botox and wrestlin because girl this is like me um this is like me owning uh this is like me being a Girl Scout and then coming to work like dressed like a Samoa like girl you're using too much product is what I'm saying too much product so she's like I'm a hairdresser and I own a hair salon and then we see her doing a Tik Tok where she's like we have a billboard for my company and people are talking about how they think it says jizz because it says Jay-Z she I think her last name is z I don't know what her last name is but it's like but probably starts with z so it says JayZ hair and then on several of The Branding uh some of the things that are branded with it she actually has like the long slash mark the vertical slash Mark it's like j/z but the long slash mark just looks like an I so it really looks like jiz hair and she's like if your if you drive past this billboard and that's your first thought your mind's in the gutter and you got to get gotta get it right because that's not what this is about I was like yeah well I definitely thought jiz the first time I saw I was like did you name her business she might have done that because I mean listen that is kind of what made them you know they gave them this show got them this show you know just just is taking us far on this show you know so Jesse's like K I have to know because I've heard you know her side of it but did any of you guys swing like were any of you involved and Demi is it Demi or like I feel like it's like dami I feel like it's a it's like a weird pronunciation of Demi right she's like dami she's like well I was at the parties and I like I didn't even know what was going on like guys I had no idea that that was someone else's dick in my mouth I was shocked like you never even picked up a Vibe Demi nothing and she goes no Brett said he picked up vibes from husbands because they were asking him weird questions like so are you the jealous type and then Brett said that he was like well I don't share if that's what you mean and they were like yeah good answer Brett good Brett Brett's so good Brett is so good at this so then um the producer asks um if Jen was part of the swinging group and Jen is like not a part of any of it uh cuz Jen of course even if Jen were part of it she would never ever admit it because we later find out that she is married to the second cousin of Ben Affleck and she would never ever bring that sort of shame to the Affleck name and then Jesse is like Jesse the hairdresser girl is the one who's like hell no I'm too lazy for that [ __ ] I'm not doing that I barely want to have sex with my husband okay I'm not having sex with four other guys so then Demi is like yeah me and my husband don't share like no sharing but Taylor admitted that they definitely thought that we'd be fun to swing with so I mean I'm hot my name is Demi Demi Engelman I'm 29 I've been married to my husband Brett for almost three years he's like 46 and I'm 29 so there's a bit of an age Gap okay so this yeah I'm about to shame this because she said in some Tik Tok this is something else I just read in the comment first of all this is Angie Haring inton 's ex-husband I was going to say wasn't some of them one of them uh linked to Angie Harrington yes so it's this guy so apparently they I guess him and Angie were friends with her parents and they went over to her house and he knew her when she was like 10 years old wow sorry I think like when you get older and there's an age difference okay you know like don't shame I guess I guess a lot of people are in stuff like that but 10 you knew her when she was 10 oh come on yeah it's really weird so um so Demi is like um you know the last party that we had gone to like Taylor was being kind of like flirty with Brett and that to this day it pisses me off and they're like oh my God what' she do what what do you mean what's happening oh my God damn Demi and Demi's like Taylor was just being extra extra flirty and friendly and she came up and she was like she kissed me on the head but then she kissed Brett on the head and then she's like leaning over the couch and she starts like laughing and like starts saying things like and then she start he starts laughing and then that's when I lost it I was like guys just wait I'm ashamed to say this but I said oh hell no oh my God you're such a bad [ __ ] I know right so like Brett was like so drunk he was like a borderline blackout and then he's just sitting on the couch and then he goes we might have to sleep over and I was like oh yeah he's definitely [ __ ] you may not be in an open relationship but I think your husband might be yeah no but he was so wasted he had I don't know like maybe two beers it was just like a lot so Jess it was like crazy it was like he had a beer and then got a Starbucks after I was like rehab bch makato more like makad no Brett keep it together so then we go back to Taylor and her mom and um lean is like oh honey I love you but you just always don't make the right choices she's like yeah but like Mom like I feel like I feel sorry Mom I'm sorry I don't know where my pronunciation is but I love you but I feel like you've never gone through a divorce and like you've never had like your entire like I don't know I guess sex life online for the entire world to see you did that you what are you mad at you're like God Mom it's not like you've ever had to suffer through the experience of like people watching you sing I like big butts and I cannot lie it karaoke honey you were the one who signed your yourself up to sing that song Whatever well sweetheart I just don't know how you choose these guys like Dakota well what's wrong with Dakota Dakota has an addiction yeah but like that doesn't Define who he is as a person and then honey he can't even choose south or north the man has no Direction so America Dakota he has this pretty crazy backstory he's a recovering addict I mean he almost died from ventel like whoa that's she's like America did Dakota almost die of fentanyl or did he not almost die of fentanyl vote now yeah well sweetheart you have two kids and you really have to think about that because they're trying to heal no I'm sorry they're trying to heal sorry and um and and you should be healing too and she's like you got divorced and you need to let that settle because ultimately me and your dad are going to be the ones that have to pick up the pieces and Taylor's like I mean I just like I have to say something but I don't like know how I'm going to say it so hold on a second say what honey honey guys America should I tell my mom right now that I'm pregnant or should I not tell my mom right now that I'm pregnant honey you're pregnant I don't know damn it are you for real she was M Taylor for real no my God this is going to be rough I'm going to put a shot collar on you that I have sorry I'm having to I have to remember that I'm in in Utah I'm sorry from the top are you for real Taylor She's like Yeah she goes oh my God you're so stupid why would you put yourself in that situation she's like well I didn't purposely do it she's like oh my God you're always screwing up everything that just pisses me off I'm so tired of this you know what you're just like H that's what you say you know what it's just like I don't even know anymore at the end of the day I do know my mom loves me and wants the best but emotionally I would say I have like good days and bad days and I'm still struggling with the gossiping and the judging and I'd rather her just support rather than tell me what to do because correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like it's how it should be no because she's the one raising your children while you're out she just said that you're never even there to raise a kid so you're giving you're basically telling your housekeeper like oh guess what you're going to working on Saturdays and Sundays now and you still don't get a raise bye and then you're wondering why she's crying you know yeah so lean just walks off she's like I don't even want to talk to you so she she she heads off and she can't stand her also see how addicted she is she doesn't even know if she's pregnant or not and she's not going to get a test or anything she just wants the drama of it she's like maybe I'm pregnant uhoh my bad I take full responsibility for it this girl oh my gosh now we go to Jesse's house and the girls are like Yay girls day which I kind of feel like is every day for this group but that's fine like a literally every day and um they're all just like having fun and Jesse is talking about like how Whitney and Jenna are the best dancers and um Michaela's like oh yeah isn't Whitney coming to something and Jesse's like yeah she's coming back from Hawaii when he's coming back from Hawaii back from Hawaii Whitney's coming back why did Whitney oh my God Whitney's coming where Whitney been oh my how did she get here oh my God my husband guys Whitney so then um they're like why did Whitney leave and everyone's like we don't know but I heard it's because our husband Connor got caught on on Tinder oh my God so then Macy says Whitney and Connor are married they have two kids and I was on Reddit one night and saw this post that someone made about Connor being on Tinder and Whitney was like trying to hide behind the singer Scandal to hide her own personal scand Scandal and I was like what like what is this I mean I'm a bad [ __ ] and even I can't figure this out and then we see a post is like what's up with Whitney she randomly started posting pictures in Hawaii I'm guessing they moov since she found her baby daddy on Tinder so she's making him leave Utah the tea and then um we see Britney in a completely different look she's runette and now she's doing um a Tik Tok and she's like dancing but the caption says oh my God everyone now thinking you're a swinger doing her arm dance or whatever um I told you about this yesterday but one of the funniest things I've seen about this show is Whitney posting that song she's doing like a a fun Tick Tock dancing rant and you just see a baby in a little tiny plastic box a little plastic see through crib yeah like Nick you and she's doing a dance and then the caption says oh my God just found out my baby has RSB she's up there moving her hand because what happened was I was at I was at like a family thing I was at like I was with all my cousins and I opened up Tik Tok to show them something but my Tik Tok was on silent and so I opened it up and the very first thing was Ronnie in like a filter that gave him like a little wig and Ronnie just moving his hands around like this and I was like oh my God so I took a screenshot and I was like Ronnie what is happening I mean I figured out that it was I mean it was jokey I knew you were doing something like that but it was so funny you on there go doing a wiy dance it's so stupid because it's so disturbing that that's how it is it's like my baby is dying in the hospital my baby's dying yeah oh my goodness oh yeah they're all wondering whether or not was Whitney coming back and then cut two at long last Whitney in a car she's with Connor they have all their belongings in a car I'm like I don't understand why they have their all their belongings in their car because they were in Hawaii so why isn't everything just shipped to them like did they just like ship their belongings to like California and then drive from California it's very confusing I'm not really sure how any of this worked but I'm like you know you can't drive from Hawaii right like were they staying in Pennsylvania and just using green screen to act like they were in Hawaii like I think so I think they were just in Robo so cuz Hawaii is kind of a weird place to be like we picked up and we moved to Hawaii like you just don't are you allowed to even do that I think Hawaii is like we have to approve you I think there's actually a large Mormon population in Hawaii so maybe there's a connection with that but still I feel like it's not easy just to pick up and move to Hawaii so it's just it's something about it all seems like a little fishy fishy yeah it's fishy but you know what's not fishy that she left because her name is Whitney it I feel like it's it's there in the name Whitney gonna run you know and what's funny is that by the way they have all this stuff like boxes they're driving and they've got boxes behind them you cannot see outside the rear view window at one point Whitney I think it was Whitney she like reaches her hand behind the box is like you okay back there you okay so I think it's just like a dog back there but it's the kids these two like baby and a toddler are behind a wall of boxes just back there I was like you know you got children back there what is happening with these people and just because I love reading signs um we know that Whitney's going to be the big miserable villain of the show because she's like I'm from Happy Valley Utah like come on you're making this too easy so she's like yeah at the beginning of Tik Tok and also her eyebrows are a little um as you call them apostrophe eyebrows she's very like quote within a quote eyebrows so she's like in the beginning of mon talk it was me Macy Michaela and and Taylor and we were really solid look at these clips and they're like there's a crash on the freeway people died yeah but since Taylor came out and said mom talk was involved in swinging I was in the thick of it here with all these rumors being spread about my family so we moved to Hawaii for two months to get away from the noise totally a reasonable thing to do um so now they arrive at the new house that they bought sight on scene and they're like oh my God I love it um I love the idea that um like buying a house sight on scene like who knows what they're going to get it's like every single house we've ever seen on this show and salt and real house was in Salt Lake City and even that like design show we watch they're all the same and they're like oh my God it's a very white house I can't oh my God it's a modern farmhouse in a row a row house I can't wait to get a white sofa to put right in the middle of it yeah so then Whitney's like she explains like how when she first had her kid she had her first kid and she was like oh my God I was like is this it I'm just a mom I mean not to say that that's a bad thing but I just didn't want that to Define me which is why I helped to come up with a hashtag that has mom in the title mom talk and then being invited to Mom talk and getting together with these other women who had the same goals was refreshing and it was exciting and and um then we see them dancing and then she goes after Taylor blew up Mom talk I think we all needed that time away from each other we needed that space and I'm ready I'm back from Hawaii and I want us all to come together let's start Dan well I guess I guess we're not really we really shouldn't say come together in the context of this situation that's sort of what got us into this trouble in the first place yeah to be fair we've been trying to come together for a long time and it never really happened so uh let's just start doing some videos you know sof soft coming that's how we do it in Utah we soft com and she's like yeah let's do it it's all happening she's got Megan McCain Vibes doesn't she she even wears like kind of a satin dress at one point that's very Megan McCain and she has her hair very Megan mccy in this her hair's blonde but when she becomes um a redhe head in about two seconds she starts to look more like aliceon Roman to me I was like oh my goodness it's someone who's about to put some an tropies all over the show she and you know what's funny is that one of Allen's uh one of sorry Allison Roman's Favorite Things is Dill so let's make a deal yeah let's make a deal okay so then um they arrived to their sight unseen house and um it's you know Whitney's house it's the other Whitney it's Whitney Rose's house and she's like yeah uh so we see the house a little bit and then um they have counter counter champagne like real estate agent champagne which by the way I didn't know was a thing that the real estate agent just gives you champagne and my real estate agent gave me champagne and I was like that is literally the sweetest person I've ever met in my life like I wrote a thank you card I like that is so nice he really wants to be friends and someone was like Ronnie everybody does that when they see house so they're like neither of them have ever had um champagne before and Connor and actually she's never even had alcohol so we're seeing this kind of a Stone moment for her or at least as they claim I don't believe this for two seconds like oh my God alcohol never let's have some right now like that's disgusting people drink this people pay a lot of money for the it's disgusting anyway someone buy me a soda that I could put half and a half into as well as some Mountain Dew and licorice yeah I'm getting wa Mama's getting wasted tonight so she's like yeah I really need to talk to Taylor like we just need to air out our grievances and move past this and we need to grow from it and become better from it so then we cut to a brunch a place called Brunch hard why is this show so obsessed with soft and hard I know brunch hard so Michael and Whitney sit down and M's like my name is Michaela Matthews I'm 23 years old and I've been married to my husband Jace for six years now um and I have three kids Beckham Haven and Tommy Beckham Haven and Tommy oh gosh I was was born and raised Mormon and my mom was one of the church leaders so we would have to act like the most perfect little Mormon family and U they're like so how old were you when she met when you met Jace and she's like 16 and then I got pregnant before marriage whoops yeah I'm like and so like so Jace was 21 when this Happ that's isn't that um statutory rape is that am I crazy well we have a note here in our notes because he was 21 and she was 16 as she said and um our Note Taker Shelby hi Shelby thanks for the note it says I assumed this was a crime and in my mind it is when my girlfriend is a probation officer for sex offenders and we looked into it and um in Utah the age of consent is 18 but there's an exception for if the person is less than four years older than the minor but he's more than four years older however there there is such a thing as a Romeo and Juliet law that allows for miners to consent to sexual relationships if the person is within seven years wow we call that yeah but Utah is gonna just change some laws if they need to you know it's not so bad listen it's really hard to get someone within five years come on okay what about seven years okay so anyway Michaela is talking about how um she's been using social media to talk about her illness she has a skin condition and no one knows why like no one understands so so um so that's that's also one of the things that she's dealing with cuz like when we first see her her eyes are sort of like there's definitely like um she's sickly yeah there's there's a look about her you're like oh my goodness I was like Wow motherhood is must be hard on her but it she she's kind of sickly looking she has like dark circles under her eyes all the time and there's kind of a sadness to her I feel bad for her because she probably wants to be like you know out there with the same energy or whatever as everyone else and you know this thing is probably Weighing on her gosh it's awful so that's what she's dealing with I'm having a baby since you're 16 it's like and she's said and on top of that she's also been Mom since she was like a sophomore in high school so yeah that's a lot so then um let's see so then Whitney comes like oh my God and uh Michaela's like I don't want to sit next to Taylor I'm scared should I sit over here ah and by the way Shelby also notes meanwhile they were at a round table with three people so everyone's sitting next to everyone so she's like okay you be Taylor and then Whitney's like what's up [ __ ] just kidding just kidding and she goes no but she would say that though like literally she would say like what's up [ __ ] okay and when he's like okay this is what she'll do she'll go hi guys how's everyone doing and Michaela goes good how are you okay and then she'll go good like my titties and they laugh like oh my God that's so tayor and Michaela's like oh my God actually I'm I'm actually very jealous she's like yeah I'm part of the original group of mom talk it's nice to have Whitney back especially going into this conversation with Taylor I know there's a lot to be said so who's your plastic surgeon and Whitney's like Dr chitty chitty titty I haven't seen Taylor in quite some time since the swinger drama and yeah I do have some issues with Taylor says Whitney so Michaela is like they're all just like really nervous they nervous about Taylor coming in and they're like such she's being such a bee you know she's like oh my God she's going to talk about her titties she's gonna come in and be totally fake so then Taylor does come in and Whitney immediately is oh my God hi so [ __ ] fakely I was like you hypocrite and then so Taylor comes in and they say something like oh Michaela's like oh if I'm rubbing my boob it's because my boobs hurt because I stopped breastfeeding and Taylor's like yeah it's okay because if I touch my boobs it's just because I just got some sorry guys I CAU to it got new boobs so I like that Whitney was the one to be fake but she also called that Taylor was gonna show up and immediately be like I got boobs well what's funny about this show cuz I can already see it happening it's like Taylor is like the awful one here she is a monster she's she's the she's the one she blew up everyone's orgy she then gets arrested very shortly after this and she's like a bad friend she only talks about herself but I guarantee we're going to see that Whitney's gonna get the villain at it and Taylor's gonna be like the hero and it's so [ __ ] up this is like the Teresa Judas effect oh no Whitney's the villain yeah that's what I'm saying like like Whitney's a [ __ ] villain I mean Taylor look Taylor and we're getting you know we're getting ahead of ourselves plot-wise but uh not that that's new for us but um yeah in this episode especially Taylor's kind of the villain like they definitely have us being like Oh my God [ __ ] this girl like all the reasons you just said but Whitney's also terrible I don't think there has to be one terrible person and I think the big difference that we see and I'm spoiler alert but that we see in episode two is all the changes that Taylor goes through so rapidly by episode two you already see a huge Evolution because you already see her thinking which is crazy like she actually looks thoughtful a couple of times and it's like a totally different person in a way from this person that we're seeing in this episode because some time passes and stuff but she totally changes and Whitney just becomes more and more horrible so I think it's interesting because she's like we're already seeing evolving from Frankie Taylor whatever her buns is but then Whitney just seems to be getting more and more terrible as we go Taylor's gonna get the edit of like she was awful but she hit rock bottom and now she is just looking to grow and get Redemption and we should support her and Whitney is going to be like the non-supportive one who's going to laugh at her and be just like an evil [ __ ] so like it's just funny to me because you see that Whitney is like she is the villain and she's going to be the villain but like in reality I don't know I think I kind of side with Whitney a little bit well yeah I mean Taylor definitely I definitely side with Whitney over the being mad that she blew up their spot you know that wasn't cool yeah and then we'll we'll get into it with this conversation so um so but I just think it's so obviously Whitney is the villain from this this scene because just how she's like oh yeah she's gonna be so fake and she starts mean Girling her and just how she's talking about her like she's gonna talk about her titties from the chitty chitty titty guy and then when she walks in Whitney is the one who's so fake I was like oh I see you Whitney Whitney's the monster Whitney Whitney all along so um yeah so they're talking about the boobs and everything and then's like have you been in and Whitney's like I've been good we just I feel like I haven't even slept at all because we literally got off of a plane put a bunch of boxes into our car inexplicably and moved into our home turns out they weren't even our boxes so we're kind of in trouble for that but the good news is we found two children behind the boxes so we're just going to keep them make them ours and I feel like I'm on like this crazy high you know the high that comes from leaving a gorgeous gorgeous island paradise and moving into a generic home that kind of high I'm just on it right now but I miss Hawai already and T's like yeah I didn't even know you're moving back so like she's yeah I'm back but like moving back or just like visiting back no I'm back back she's like oh yeah but I didn't know that she's well surprise she yeah what part of TV cameras says I'm not moving back okay I'm back but like actually I didn't really like know the reason like why Whitney like left and like she didn't tell me and nobody told me and like honestly I thought we were closer than that I love that you're the victim you just [ __ ] [ __ ] up everybody's lives and you're like I can't believe nobody talked to me about it I thought we were friends even though I didn't talk to any of them when I went and exposed everything so when he's like um so I have a question for you I want to know why you posted that video cuz we built a relationship and I genuinely was like cool I don't trust Taylor and I just I feel betrayed and like jle was like I don't feel safe with Taylor I never want to make video with Taylor ever again like I still don't trust you like you have to trust someone if you're going to make content with them wow yeah okay I just feel like the story should like could have been approached differently like I feel like it was very exploiting like names of people that had nothing to do with this like absolutely nothing and I just I don't trust you with certain things because I don't know what you're going to do with that information like if I say for this video let's find like Michael bé but like a remix and we could do like a really fun dance I don't know if you're gonna tell the world that that's my plan yeah but like am I like say sorry for my post cuz like I don't know like I guess like what I'm saying like is I'm not apologizing for my post like it's not that I don't care about people it's just like Mo mostly like what people think online like I knew people were going to be like that like I knew it was gonna be like hyped you know like controversy like I knew it so what an odd response I know she's just like yeah I knew it was going to be controversial so you're welcome she's she's going to frame herself as the like look at the attention I brought to you she is and Michaela's like um yeah but like everyone was picking mom talk apart Okay and like picking apart our relationships like oh my God is it Whitney and Connor are they doing this like is Whitney's husband doing this and like I feel like that's where it was hard for people like meaning me and so like I just thought it was like Taylor's trying to drag everyone down with her and so I was like that's not cool you get that right and she's like um well like it was frustrating is like moms were coming to me crying and I was like why are you crying like you're more famous now yeah and they're all like this is ruining our lives take it down blah blah blah blah blah and then they're like joking about it on their Tik toks and I'm like so this ruined your life but now you're joking about it like I'm confused how about I thank you thank you Taylor thank you for elevating my brain she sucks she's such an [ __ ] that is so funny they're making jokes about what's going on in their lives because it's a big embarrassing thing that happened of course they're going to joke about it you know yeah she's like why why aren't you thanking me now on the other hand of course this did Skyrocket all of them to way bigger levels probably so yeah I guess ultimately they do owe her a thanks but you know I feel like she does need to at least go through the process of being like sorry guys that wasn't cool and you're welcome you know what there would be no Mom talk if I hadn't created it and I feel like that I should be given a little bit of Grace in this situation I was being torn to shreds for like ruining people's lives and then using it then they're using it for clout like um did I ruin your life or did I help your life oh my God so Whitney's like yeah but like there's like a line right like when we're friends like I feel like we grew a relationship so like why would you make that video she goes um I didn't like think about it so I got some story that I like I don't know trying to come up with something to be sorry for but like I I just I can't come up with it and you know that saying sorry is like my favorite thing I love coughing to things but like right now I just like I don't know you know what guys this is Whitney speaking here again we need this we need this community this mom talk community and I want us to be loyal to each other and feel safe with each other and honest with each other and I'm GNA keep on going if you don't say you agree yeah I AG and I'm going to pledge here Whitney me I Whitney as we sit here in brunch harder from here on out we have each other's backs oh my God like it was so good clearing the Earth my friends it's like you did not clear the eror you took no responsibility you just nodded and smiled and looked towards the exit a lot so now we go to the jizz Salon with Jesse and she's now dying Whitney's hair red Whitney's like I just don't want them to find me who Whitney I mean I can't wait to be a redhead and then there's like stuff happening and uh Whitney is at we were at Whitney and Connor's house and he's asking her how he feels how she feels about being back from Hawaii his hair is totally different now she has red hair everything's great so Whitney uh is like hey so I was looking to do some old videos today and I know we were only in Hawaii for a little bit but I kind of missed that because I feel like we ran away from something and I don't want to lie about it anymore he goes she goes you know Taylor even asked me the other day about the whole Tinder rumor and I denit it again he's like oh my God we don't have to lie anymore oh he just takes off his mustache and his wig he's like thank God he's got a whole new look and he goes yeah it was probably hard for you to lie about that she's like yeah I could just think at the time I'm like I don't want to say anything because I didn't even know what I wanted he's like he's crying he's like I just hate talking about what happened to me in the same breath as what I did to you because CU like it just flips the script and it like turns me into a victim when in this scenario I'm not you know but which scenario are you a victim because he's insinuating that he was a victim in some scenario but in this one he's not and he's like and I just definitely want there to be a distinction you know because like and these were actions I took and I had a real problem it led to something that really hurt my wife and I'm so really really sorry and I'm working on myself mostly I'm doing it by just like learning to like clench a fist really move in and out of it with my penis you're talking about masturbating again honey oh you're right I'm so sorry I'm really really sorry about that it's just like I just don't care what anybody outside of my inner circle thinks like right now really all I care about is like getting in something with a motorboat turning on that motorboat and just being like babe you're talking about motorboating again sorry I'm really sorry and I pledge right now I'm going to cancel all my PornHub accounts and only fan subscription she's like babe I was talking about your addiction to Diet Coke what are you talking about uh nothing nothing so she's like nobody knows our secret when they asked us we said it was a lie because I think when we look at religion when you go through the temple and make those covenants you make promises to God and sin is more serious I just think that like it's really hard you know cuz religion no it's hard because your husband's like [ __ ] people off the cam don't blame no no no no get rid of that man get rid of that Frosty tipped [ __ ] right now get rid of him well for ex Frosty tip because now it's the frosted tips are gone for no for no explainable reason so she goes I'm just like a little nervous about it now like what are they going to think I don't know if they're going to hate you or if they're going to hate me for making the choice to stay with you it's a pretty deep wound and I want to tell them now because otherwise mom talk may never survive this it's also you know something that Mom talk has been kind of suffering it's like kind of been going down since they all stopped doing it and like what got mom talk really making them all money was controversy so I like that she's like you know what I'm GNA do a TV show and expose your cheating you [ __ ] and I'm gonna profit off of it so get ready you [ __ ] and good for her because [ __ ] this guy yeah we don't even know why yet but [ __ ] this guy ding ding ding ding ding ding ding it's it's time for an official mom talk meeting okay everyone gather at the house with the white sofa yay so they all are gathering and Macy's like oh my God you know what I hate I hate toilet seats and if there's no toilet seat you know what I do I put toilet paper on the toilet seat it's like wow a real innovator there so yeah if there's not like a covering on the toilet paper I'm like not even going to do it I'm like that kind of person cuz I'm a Boss [ __ ] I'm A Boss [ __ ] what's going on guys like I don't know it's just like it's a family meeting and like Whitney said she wants to get all the girls together and this is like really important we got to hear her oh my God Whitney's going to come over oh my God I just hope everything's gonna be okay with mom talk yeah everyone's like oh my God is it serious oh my God hband oh my God oh my God oh my God oh my God I'm I'm anxious this time so then Taylor uh Whitney comes over and they're like so Whitney and um Macy's like yeah what would you do if you saw a toilet and it didn't have a cover it didn't have a paper cover on it would you sit on it anyway or would you add toilet paper I would add toilet paper I'm a bad I call that soft pooping where I just hover over the toilet so they're like Whitney did you have something that you want to talk about and she's like guys there was a rumor that Connor was on Tinder I don't know if you guys remember that rumor they're like NOP no haven't heard of it I guess we've heard we remember the rumor that your husband was on [ __ ] Tinder yeah we remember well I lied about it because I was so embarrassed and I I didn't even know if it was true until I confronted Connor and I went up to him and I was like look at this joke right and there was more to that guys he had been struggling with a porn addiction and I I just I didn't want to say anything so I didn't want to come out because I just feel like there's a whole story you know and there's a reason why people do certain things and I I think I think he was just confused guys he was confused he's really attracted to me he loves me but I I literally said like this has not happened to me this isn't something that happens to me and I literally haven't told anyone it's just like something that we're working through he like looked at porn guys I'm just like I can't I can't and they're like oh my God can I ask you something did it go further than Tinder she's like oh my God no like he would never meet up with anything it wasn't like that I mean it was just Tinder it was just like Tinder and they're like how long has it been going on she's like like our whole marriage this is so bad oh my God and this is the thing like you can't be having babies with people when you're 16 I know that Whitney wasn't Tech 16 but I just mean like you need a little more life like you really need to to learn that men are pigs like you need to learn to read science you can't just be marrying the first Tom Dick and Harry or the first you know jevin uh Conor Conor and brick than you mean you know what I mean yeah Haven um yeah you can't run away with the first Haven that crosses your path guys I know it's not a safe haven uh yeah so he basically was sending nudes to girls on Instagram he was like flirting with people and everything he was having sex he was having like Tinder he was having like online sex video emotional whatever yeah sexting if you will sexting exactly and so um Demi tells us you know life can be really sticky and complicated but no matter what you're going pun intended right yeah by the way let let me start that from the top because I messed it up you're talking about someone with a jerking off addiction okay can we not guys life can be really sticky and complicated but no matter what you're going through we have this mom talk group to lean on and use this can be tough to swallow but we need to think of mom talk you know guys this can be a lot to come at you but all at once I think we like really need to concentrate on like pleasing ourselves oh I'm so sorry Whitney for that what I meant was it's Mom talk guys we're here for mom talk mom talk is Gonna Save Us at the end of the day and Whitney goes I just feel like my whole marriage was just a lie and Michaela goes yeah that's hard and I could see why with porn it just makes a little makes like a little more sense like because he's like confused sexually but with twinder I feel like it's different you know and like yeah Tay and Taylor's like um like how do you know like he didn't like he's just telling you you didn't meet up with people like how do you know or like do you not know and Whitney's like um thanks Taylor okay um I know by word that's how I know and Taylor's like guys like she's questioning people with her teeth and she's like well I mean if you guys can like look past my stuff I guess we can look past Connor stuff right she goes yeah please don't look past con look at Connor differently she was like I just hope this doesn't mean you got this like makes you look at Connor any differently they're like oh no it doesn't cuz he's been he's been dming us on Instagram for years so we've already known this about him yeah I've got like 30 come shots of Connor's on my phone [Laughter] so it was a hard flirt in this case I love that she was like talking to the group where everybody [ __ ] each other's husband she's like you guys he was on Tinder jerking off like and she's like you know I just I that's why I left Mom talk you know cuz I felt like I couldn't go anywhere but honestly we left because I just wanted to get away I was like a Southwest Commercial want to get away and I wanted to get away from everything because I just wanted to just think for myself and everything I'm so sorry that I left Mom talk behind guys can you ever forgive me and she's basically like yeah I'm sorry for blaming the drama Taylor's drama on me leaving and Taylor's like it's okay like she's the one who gets to forgive which is hilarious and Whitney's like yeah cuz that wasn't even the reason so then Taylor's like um well I have news so everyone's like you have news um okay what's the news she goes well like I'm super overwhelmed with anything with everything and like like yeah like I've been pregnant for like four weeks and Whitney's just like you [ __ ] Whitney just gets this look on her face like are you [ __ ] kidding me you're upstaging my husband cheating with your pregnancy she just like you [ __ ] I'll never forgive you meanwhile Taylor is sitting there on this white couch she has her legs crossed and she's placed her like big gulp her brown big gulp of what I assumed was coffee but as many people pointed out probably was not coffee but it was a brown beverage and she's just cradling it in between her leg creases and on this white sofa and I was like this is why she will always be the villain to me it doesn't matter what sort of Redemptive Arc she gets she is one chill one spasma away from spilling that entire Brown beverage on this pristine white sofa I'll never forgive her um so she's like yeah well by by the way back to my story um I think I miscarried but I'm going to the hospital every day because like they have to draw blood cuz like maybe I miscarried cuz I had a ton of blood like I don't know but like I was calling my doctor and they're like maybe you miscarried and then like I have an ectopic pregnancy either way so like either way the baby's not going to no one really knows I'm like have you been to the doctor what what is going on here what is this what happened like the doctor would tell you I don't think I don't know I what do I know I'm not going to be pregnant so you know what this is one of those moments I'm gonna step back and just say you don't understand she's oddly matter of fact about it and Casual she's acting like she was going to buy a shirt at the Gap and then she decided not to and then she changed her mind and went back to the Gap to buy it and was already gone and she was like yeah so that's where we're at she yeah it's been kind of like depressing and so when he's like what the actual [ __ ] tailor what the hell are you doing immediately right after sharing this trauma that's happening to me you immedately talk about something that's traumatic going on with your [Laughter] life and uh uh they're like okay well are you g to be more careful moving forward she goes yeah I'm just like you know I'm very like just like everywhere every day you know what I mean like not really what did that mean it just mean like like am I going to be careful like I mean am I here maybe like am I there probably like where am I I don't know like all the places that's what I'm saying you guys do you get it they're like yeah Taylor totally got it like guys I love us thank God for mom talk so now Taylor and Dakota go on a date at a sushi restaurant called tsunami which of course they go to a place called tsunami and Taylor tells us Dakota and I didn't expect to get pregnant let alone have a miscarriage at this time I feel like we're just wanting to move on and order a California role and we're just going to work on a relationship both of our P we have very messy pasts and we just want to be a better person he wants me to be a better person and that's why I really like him because he wants to do more wholesome things together like make sure that I change for him that's just like wonderful so he's like oh my God isn't it crazy that we're together he has these really big wide eyes he's such a [ __ ] liar this guy's a compulsive liar like he's giving every sign he has big huge wide eye he's really cute by the way but he's got big huge wide eyes he's got the baby voice where he's like talking like I'm just a little kid who doesn't understand things which we've learned on Bravo was just like a Telltale sign of a [ __ ] boy and a liar and then he's like isn't it crazy how we met she was yeah you you got into my DMs and he goes and do you remember what you said to me in your reply honey she goes yeah that you look like Jake gyllen haha this guy cannot sit still for one second his eyes are bulging he's like fidgeting around I'm surprised like didn't knock over the soy sauce and she's like um she's like I would never share you he goes yeah your sharing Days Are Over they're done meanwhile he's probably [ __ ] three girls on the side let's be honest we can tell yeah and so she's like well like do you want to marry me and he's like yeah I want to marry you I'm freaking obsessed with you that's why I went to your [ __ ] Instagram like so like with church like do you want to be like married in the temple still or is that like something you want he's such a fan it's so weird yeah weird my my answer would be I don't want it cuz I don't follow the rules and that's like a given and he goes yeah like when I came back to the church I was like it like it was like a very high power God moment for me that they were like saving my life like even being in recovery right like just turn like I turn everything to God like obviously with my past I can't be with you if you want to like party and unfortunately for me it's like a life for death decision and she's like I mean don't get me wrong like I've thought about it but like I mean like I'm just like going to be honest like it's like sad for me being like I can't drink like ever again like that sucks for me you know so like it's something I enjoy in moderation like a drink out with my friends you know and he's like yeah get where you're coming from with that but I know what I want in my future and it's not that okay you crazy kids yeah it's not that at all you can't do this can't can't this this is not how relationships work if you're going to be sober and you don't want a partner that you as good for you actually that's a valid Choice don't be with a partner that uses and then make them stop like that's not how that works and you don't be with someone who doesn't want you to use and then be like well I should be able to no you're with a person who's barely hanging on to sobriety not right for each other but also yeah he's he's using it as like a control issue so Taylor says you know in this mom talk group we like to party and oh my gosh I don't know how I keep finding these men that don't like drinking because it's like I like drinking I'm like um here's a clue you're in Utah in Utah you're like oh my God why do I keep [ __ ] guys with Mickey Mouse ears you're [ __ ] people in a Disneyland what do you think is going to happen I feel like this might be an issue actually to be honest but like I won't lie like I'm drinking tonight and I'm GNA get like [ __ ] up so then we see like little videos of people at home doing things like Jesse putting a baby to bed Whitney and Connor are putting their kids to bed it's like Yay everything in mom talk is so Mom talk is so fun and happy the group's getting back together what could go wrong what's the city and address of your emergency there's like a domestic violence going on and it's like d it gets really serious really fast and we start getting cop footage body cam footage and so a neighbor is calling about domestic violence and they say somebody's screaming get off of me there's a woman screaming there's like a garage door opening and shutting and it sounds like she's trying to get out and I don't know if the kids are there right now because I think she shares with her ex-husband so then we see body cam footage we hear T screaming the neighbor know the neighbor has been waiting for this moment because that neighbor obviously knows everything that's going on with this relationship like I think that she shares time with her ex-husband like how do you know that neighbor you have been you got in the dirt about this and you've been waiting to call the cops yeah and so um we hear Taylor screaming shut up and then Dakota's like stop it what are you doing please stop and then the cop shows up and uh K's like she's hammered she's so drunk and she's like he's hammered he's like no I'm sober so they basically separate him we don't see him we see her the cop interviews her outside and she tells the cop that he threw her in the garage and apparently what happened um and this is I don't think we hear it here I think I read it on a thread on Reddit I'm just like this cast like I thought I heard on Reddit but um that I think she was on Nick V's podcast saying that he she was really drunk they got in a fight in the car she started throwing stuff at him and so he was trying to get her off of him I guess by putting her in the garage but then she was trying to get out of the garage and he kept closing the door so she couldn't get out I mean the whole thing sounds like a total cluster [ __ ] but it was odd to me that they just believed him immediately because her story sounds pretty scary you know that he's pretending to be sober but that he's hammered and he's being abusive and then accusing her of being abusive but then I guess he was videotaping her and that was his evidence to get her taken away and thrown in jail yeah some of this V video footage is redacted we see so we don't we don't get the full thing so we don't know what happened in the redacted Parts there but we do hear that she threw like metal chairs at him and stuff and almost hit their kid I think like one of their kids yes exactly and so as a result she gets uh placed under arrest for domestic violence and gets carded off and that is the uh very um wild climax this first episode that actually it appears I've only watched through episode two but it appears like that is actually the that is the foundation from which the rest of the series actually grows from like here you think the show is going to be about Whitney coming back and them figuring this out fall out but this is we are now in the next episode going to Flash Forward about like 11 or 11 months or so from this situation and then it's like how does how does mom talk survive this guys yeah crazy um wow what an interesting show and I didn't was gonna be so interesting but I'm into it and they really do put their lives out there my god um it is I just love how much they just care about mom talk they're like we've created a community with this hashtag and we we need to make sure that dancing in sports bras can continue on yeah they're the guys we've all figured out what it's life is like without mom talk and we need to make this [ __ ] happen again so what are we going to do when we create and I i' like that their their uh stuff that their content that they create is all just them dancing and then putting captions of whatever is going on in their life it's just so weird I know and that's so many people it's like they've got so many followers like it's strange it really is it is nuts and they showed a part where all the controversy was blowing up and they're on all these new shows and stuff and like oh my God the sex scandal with the Mormons did you hear about any of that stuff when it happened I missed all of it but Dom heard about it when I was like I was like he was like what are you watching I was like The Secret Lives of Mormon wives it's basically like these Mormon girls and they were soft swinging I was oh yeah that was huge so like it definitely was out there it just I I think that for me sometimes we focus so much on Bravo and Bravo gossip that like I'm just not always I just like I sometimes have blinders on to like other worlds of Scandal and things happening and so I kind of miss things until they are sort of put in my face like this and I'm like oh my God I missed a whole ridiculous Scandal but apparently everyone knew about this yeah well it's a good show uh it's super fun to watch we hope you guys liked it uh if you want the video versions of our Recaps 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