he was a very different person on the stage four years ago when when you debated him you must I mean that that's certainly true is it not Anderson the point has to be performance in terms of what a president does a President Who Insurrection against the capital no but I I got the point that you're making about a one and a half hour debate tonight I'm talking about 3 and 1/2 years of performance in work that has been historic I mean can you say that you are not concerned at all having watched the president's performance tonight it was a slow start that's obvious to everyone I'm not going to debate that point I'm talking about the choice in November substance policy and performance what was the substance of what Joe Biden said policy what was the takeaway what was the big takeaway there was nothing to take away and then of course performance which was just an abject disaster we all know that