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inside our Fox 11 studios. I'm Alex Michaelson, joined tonight by two well-known faces, two of our favorite people, attorney Lisa Bloom is here, along with Kfi's Jon Kobalt. Welcome to you both. Thanks, Alex. Thank you. Your thoughts? Well, I mean, the difference is so stark. Kamala Harris says, here's my plan for small business for housing, for prescription drugs. Donald Trump says immigrants are eating dogs and cats. The country is being destroyed. We're about to have a nuclear war. One is reality based Kamala Harris. One is completely delusional. John, your thoughts if you were an independent voter, undecided, and you wondered about inflation and if you wondered about 8 million or 20 million people coming over the border, her role in it, what her work was during three and a half years on inflation and border, what was her answer? She was asked point blank, and she dodged the question, circled around several times and then flew off. She never addressed the two biggest issues that Americans care about in the polling, especially the independent voters. The undecided voters. Third thing on flip flops. The thing that comes up in every Kamala Harris news story that I read is she's changed her mind on a lot of important things. Why? Just explain why. Didn't answer that either. So if you're one of those undecided voters, what was there to make you vote for her when she avoided those three big issues, you left out one of the most important issues, and that is abortion. That's one of the top two for American women. Wait a second. And Donald Trump would not answer the question about whether he didn't answer that one. A national abortion ban, even when confronted with J.D. Vance saying that he wouldn't he would not answer that. Well, here's the thing. As a guy, I care much more about immigration, much more about economy and inflation, about women. So that's kind of unfortunate. Well, that's not well, that's that's going to an extreme there isn't it. Yeah. I have to have abortion in my top ten list. A lot of people have to have that because you say so because a lot of people do care about abortion rights. But you said American people, not you. And that is one of the top issues I'm telling you, is, is number one. And number two is immigration, economy, inflation in those orders. Number one, criticism of Kamala Harris, her flip flopping. That's the three issues I laid out. Wait a second. They change their minds. She made it clear she made it. Donald Trump has changed his mind about abortion about five times. She made it clear how she stands on abortion. Why can't she make it clear what? Why did we end up with 9% inflation? Why did we get 10 million people over the border? Why did she change her mind about Donald Trump? Wouldn't even address what he did on January 6th, I think I think decency. What about a president who actually wants to move forward and not settle old grievances? We're going to we're going to we're going to leave that there for a second. We're getting more of a debate here than we just saw. Maybe we need the muted mics. We want to real quickly to each of you, because we do this here. One word to describe the debate, John. One word. It was kind of a grind. It was a standoff. It's because, no, I don't have just one word answers. The moderators never pushed both candidates to answer the question. I know you would have. Yeah, the moderators are a big part of the story. Tonight. We're going to talk more about them in a second. Lisa is truthfulness. Four times the moderators had to fact check Donald Trump's lies zero times for Kamala Harris. Yeah, but the moderators didn't push Kamala Harris when she didn't answer their questions, which I think was frustrating