The Nerfherder Council - 9/11/2024 - Remembering 9/11

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click the like And subscribe buttons and hit the notification Bell so that you are notified every time we go live without further Ado let me bring on my co-host and my best friend my brother AJ how's it going man hey man how you doing tonight I'm doing good it's um I mean as good as you can yeah sorry we usually come on come on hot and fun but uh this isn't the topic for it so was really sure how to say hello tonight I know yeah it it was hard writing up the show descriptions because I was kind of the same way I was like well how do you intro this sort of thing and how do you talk about it and but um yeah I mean right off the rip let's just you know before we get to our special guest host here um you know for those of you guys who haven't been fans of the show very long uh we have been doing the show since December of 2015 so this be our it's our 10th year doing this and uh to my knowledge we've never done a serious episode quote unquote so this is um this is this is a first for us but we kind of decided you know it's a very solemn day uh I myself am I hate to call myself a historian for this stuff um but I have read a lot of books and watched a lot of documentaries and uh we have some personal stories about it and so um you know it's something that's you know always always always a day that I it's a day of remembrance and I make sure to always you know I I watch the uh the ceremony from the Freedom Tower so I had that on on my earbuds while I was working this morning um so yeah it's it's an important day and I think you know I I think it's important to remember and so AJ and I kind of wanted to just you know have a discussion about it for a change and kind of swerve off of our normal goofiness and and just be serious and kind of show the day the respect that it deserves I think yeah yeah absolutely um it's it's 23 years on from the events and I don't know how your social feeds were today maybe I'm not following the right stuff but everything that was being thrown at me was almost nothing having to do with 911 whatsoever like it's just another day now it's it's amazing how fast people move on from these sorts of things um yeah um and and that's something I definitely want to get into because I think I have a lot of thoughts about that and I don't I don't know that it's necessarily people's fault per se um I didn't see a lot of you know remember stuff today but I I saw a lot yesterday of you know all the people you know going going to bed and not you know waking up you know and it's their last day type of thing you know that whole post um you know so kale mcle good to see you man kale says that said if the views of the virtual Cena Network don't meet up with terrorists suck there are much worse problems in a bit of bad language that's funny uh Percy engine Productions 061 says hi good to see you thanks for tuning in uh Chasity has a story that she is posting here in pieces and then we'll get to our special guest co-host who actually has a very very personal connection to it uh to to 911 uh chasty says was 11 when 911 happened I remember it very clearly because we had to write about our experiences about it in middle school as a school project my English teacher made us write a different one too a couple years later I still have my report somewhere I went to school that morning like normal and my neighbor kid ran up to me and said some planes crashed into a building he was obsessed with the military and Army planes specifically So I responded with and they were what kind of planes so you have the rest there uh I do not uh I said uh he got mad and told me that a normal airplane got took over and they crashed it into a big building in New York the bell rang this is on Facebook by the way there's a character limit to what we can see on streamyard so I put it on screen unfortunately but um the bell rang and we went to class where the teachers kept trying to keep us calm and distracted but it wasn't working the school was on lockdown all we knew was that some planes had been hijacked and that all planes were being grounded my classroom was in the portable and it was my day to take the roll to the office I had to walk all the way around the outside of the school a plane flew over the school as I was getting to the front of the school and I screamed and started running inside I turned in the rle if I could go back to my class through the halls and not outside I had to be escorted through the Halls after school my mom was home she normally worked until 700 she was sitting Frozen in front of the TV watching the news as they replayed the crashes my older brother came home from school and was just sobbing my mom just kept saying it reminded her of Kennedy being assassinated how Frozen the world seemed yeah I think you know the the gravity of it and and the situation itself I think you know having not obviously you know you you nor I have lived through kenned even though we actually have an extremely personal connection to that day our our grandmother um our grandmother died that day of brain cancer a couple hours before Kennedy was shot um yeah I would have to think you know the effect on the country was you know fairly similar so um Mark TRX tuning in good to see you man I haven't seen you in a while uh it says I was a firefighter in New York on 911 good Lord should have you on too yeah yeah that's a story I'd like to hear yeah so uh speaking of having somebody on uh let's just you know bring him on you know him you love him he is one of our very very best friends here on the show uh he is responsible for this lunacy being on the virtual canena Network he is of course Spencer jaw what's up man guys thank you so much for having me uh on tonight's episode uh I know it's not the usual Shenanigans first of foremost that we show on the virtual cantia Network or the general Lau bedward [ __ ] that you get from the virtual Cantina Network or from the Nerf Council but um it was very important uh to have this episode and also uh also tell some of my story about 911 um around what that happened uh but thank you very much for having me here tonight it's it's an honor always to be on your show but it's uh you know it's an honor to be on this episode in particular no app no I appreciate it man you're you're always welcome here and um it it it's appropriate you know because as you said you were you were there I mean uh you you like Mark have experience with it you know from I mean why why don't we start there why why don't you give your your story about about that day so that day um I was living at my parents house and I was going to grad school at Long Island University CW post uh out of Long Island and my parents house is in Great Neck New York which is overlooking the Long Island Sound um if you are a fan of literature it's East egg from The Great Gatsby so great neck is East egg and West Egg is Port Washington which is next town over uh on the sound so you have a direct view of from the water in Great Neck to the White Stone Bridge so I remember it was a day off from school um and I had the TV on in my bedroom uh and I remember like seeing something like my eyes are like half open I keep it you know shut whatever my mother knocks on my door and runs into my room and said it uh a plane just hit the tower look in our backyard you could see the smoke over the trees wow so uh not only were I able to you know see the smoke from there uh and start freaking out about that um but the only thing I could particularly think of at that time as well because I was a TA in the theater department at my school was my students and so I my parents like I quickly through some clothes I was about to leave my parents were like where are you going as I'm I'm driving to campus like why why are you driving to campus like because I am honestly I'm worried about the mentality of my students right now quite honestly more so than myself I'm worried about that them you know how are they right now I got to campus and made sure that you know everybody was situated made sure that you know all the classes in the department were canceled for the rest of the day make sure that I was around but you could not get a phone call lines were tied up all around New York um they just you were just not able uh it was just hectic and there was a locked on campus as soon as I got there so Not only was I stuck there on campus but I could even call my parents let them know I was okay on there you know uh I had get you know libraries open so I was able to you know send an in an AOL instant message to my mom um to let her know I'm okay yeah uh and you know obviously people are you know putting posts on my like you know my AOL or my MySpace saying are you okay are you okay you know um what's going on uh it was just I was like I said I was like literally like miles away um dear friends of mine from high school were firefighters and killed in the tragedy um my my future wife's cousin was killed there uh one of my dearest friends was working in the stock exchange it would tell me stories about how they got them out of the stock exchange uh doing a human train to get out side because you couldn't see because of all debris um it was just horrific but the one thing I said is that the country would become stronger and more united as ever in the days to follow and that was the one thing I did tell my students and I was right in that scenario is that I've never seen the country regardless of your political affiliation everything going on in the country and the world I had never seen the United States as strong and and as well as United as it was when you know we were fac with tragedy um everybody was looking out for each other um and you know it's just it's it's horrific um next closest thing to that is my wife was at the Boston Marathon bombing Oh wow was the other I was on the other side of State I was in Spring field when I got the text saying a bomb just went off at the the marathon and she was at the finish line so in my backyard literally the last two major on the on our soil tragedies have happened in my backyard uh which has been you know horrible um but yeah I mean that's my story about 911 I mean like I said I was basically like I said I could see the smoke from my parents house uh it was that horrific um you know you were talking about earlier is you know people kind of moved on people don't forget people always I think remember but people also are dealing it with it in their own ways per se it's not like you know I mean how many people see you see ads for D-Day I'm you know just throwing that out there I'm just saying that you know all these different yeah uh unfortunately you know we we deal with tragedy in our own ways and we remember it in our own ways and as long as we're remembering in our own ways then that's the most important thing um you know to have because this is like like you said this is the this was the first real major on American soil catastrophe that we had in our generation we're not talking about our parents generation which was was obviously Kennedy like you were talking about earlier but this is this was our generation you know this is like some of us were you know in grad school in college in high school you know one of your members said that they 11 years old when that has and you know uh well I'm just gonna say get off my lawn because I'm the C right I got I gota make the laugh um but still I mean it's affected all of our lives and you know to this day if you want to think about it every time we're traveling to Star Wars celebration we're remembering 911 because security was not what it was like back then as it is now yeah very true it's really mindblowing yeah um it all started it all started then literally it all started then taking off the shoes the whole like empty in your pockets to you take your belt off that's all come from travel 9911 and one of the planes came from Boston I came from Logan like where I am which is you know crazy in itself you know uh there's that there was that show um a million little things fantastic show I don't know if you saw it ended like about a year ago and the guy the lead character from uh office space is in it as well and he was supposed to be on the plane that was hijacked from Logan like they actually started they're now incorporating that into storylines uh you know you know in media yeah and it's like I say it's prolific for the Gen xers tragedy of our lifetime up until I was in the Boston Marathon but this affected us more as a country than the Boston Marathon did yeah no I would agree we've got we've got people that are now of drinking age that weren't alive when this happened like it it was so bizarre you know uh I I've I've dated people who have children born 2005 and later and you know if the same way that we heard about Kennedy's assassination or Pearl Harbor they they only know the stories they don't know the personal impact because they haven't lived through it but there is something super powerful Spencer have you been back to the 911 memorial since they put that up uh I have been uh not really walked around but I walked I mean around it but I haven't walked through it but it was interesting because a couple of months ago I was clearing out I I don't know how I found my old MySpace account I don't know why it's still up there but I would love to find mine that's where I met my wife I a picture of my grandfather with my cousin and I I must have been about 11 years old up on the top floor of the World Trade Center of tower one uh geez and I posted it because obviously I was also trying to remember my grandfather but that was the only time I ever went to the towers at all like you might you know you live in New York y you very rarely go to any of the site you know the tourist traps I've never yeah I've never been to Statue liberty and I grew up in you know in New York you know a lot of people in Boston don't really go into the City and go do stuff you know there people in Chicago who go don't who've never been to Wrigley Field you know there's it's like it's there so why you know that's the mentality um I can go anytime don't go to Disney and so on yeah yeah but you know like I said I found the picture of my grandfather there was one time I did something he took my cousin up um we were reminiscing about that um I had not been since but like I said you know I walked around it one time at night I didn't want to walk through it you know that evening I was out for the evening I was you know probably a little intoxicated I was gonna say Spencer was drinking is what what you're saying you're right well here you appreciate is that once I got off campus uh in grad school and I fin L off there the first thing I did was I ran to a karaoke bar so I did karaoke the night of 911 uh wow drunk um I actually sing I actually sang a bridge over ter what which okay that's not uplifting song but that was the only one I could think of to put down um all right but yeah no I mean I like I said I've had family friends people I went to high school with and my wife's cousin their names were all up on on the wall uh over there um it's amazing how that shaped our country literally our country because like well up until like you said Kennedy when we had a legitimate terrorist attack on our own soil yeah I I think you know talking about like the remembrance of it I think that's the thing is that that's one thing that I've learned is you know we talk about Kennedy and I saw someone also make the Pearl Harbor reference this uh this afternoon as well and I I've realized that you know having lived through 911 you can read about it and you can hear stories about it but unless you lived it there is a c it's different in a in a way that you just can't explain and I think the I think the one thing that makes 911 unique and I I I want to get to some comments here in the chat here in a minute because we got people tuning I'd like to get have them be able to tell their stories too but um I I think I think the thing that's unique about 911 is that it's to me you know Pearl Harbor like you can you can go down you know to Hawaii and you can go to the memorial at the Arizona and stuff and you know it's underwater and all this kind of stuff New York City you know where the where the towers were where you know Freedom tow now you know I mean Spencer you can speak to this because you were down there I mean you you you lived in New York like you said and but the thing that struck me you know a AJ and I were there in March of 2003 so it was cleaned up but it was literally just a construction site to Giant square holes in the ground but you know the thing that struck me as just unbelievable was when you hear the numbers of people that perished and you talk about the buildings collapsing and you see the footage you know it seems like this big like there it was there was a lot of room for this stuff to fall but when you're down there the first thing I noticed was that across the street from the towers is a building that's I I believe like 65 stories tall and I looked at that building and it just kept going up and up and then I thought you know the towers were each you know you know what almost 50% taller than that and there were two of them and when you think about that amount that the size of that the sheer size and it coming down there is nowhere for it to go and when you really realize what a massive event that was in such a small space you can actually get a feel for you mean what what what were those people doing that were in the footprint of the building you know how the hell did they you know did anybody survive that that you know was you know able to run and all that kind of stuff and um I mean it really it's it's extremely poignant to me because of that like you can actually it's it's a little more tangible you know something like World War II you can go to the memorials and all you see all that stuff but it's so large that you just don't know you can't really get a solid grasp on it you know that the Kennedy assassination it was the president and we've never been through something like that you know we've had you know presidents have been shot at you know we had the whole Reagan thing when we were we were little kids um I mean hell even even most recently I I I think people really discredit how important of an event that could have been you know when Donald Trump got shot at you know those sorts of things don't happen but it's it's one person it's it's not this huge thing you know in a small space that affects so many people at once and as you said you know uh Spencer like it it affected the country but it also changed it and it it it sounds like such a hyperbolic thing to say but it really isn't and for those of us who were there like like you said like in college and all that like you know I was 25 AJ was 22 so we we were obviously very aware of what was happening and you know travel now is different and you do think about it when you go through the airport and stuff and um you know it's it's just an it's an incredible thing to have lived through and I I really wish there was more attention given to it I I I per I'm one of those that that believes that today should be a national holiday personally um I've always believed that um so I I'm in that camp but um I I I can understand a little bit people younger than us that you know kale said he was three when it happened and stuff and you know my my stepson was uh what what was he at that point a couple months old you know my stepdaughter was six um you know of course it's not going to hit them the same because you know they don't understand what they're going through but you know for us I think I I think where this one is different is that uh being in the modern era it and by design it was covered by the media in real time you know you had radio reports of Pearl Harbor and then newspapers the next day uh you know the way this was orchestrated was deliberately we've got comments here in the chat about and and we we all have that same thing where we hear we hear something like oh a plane hit hit the World Trade Center and my first thought was how some pilot screwed up horribly yeah like I did not think terror attack I thought some pilot just and also it just said a plane it didn't say a you know a a superjet a a Boeing 747 whatever it was forget what the plane type was a commercial jetliner smacked the building I thought it was you know a Cessna or some little like single yeah that's what I thought I mean AJ and I worked at the same at the same place Spencer and and and people started like you know we were both call center type people and people started circulating the news and all they said is that the oh the news said a plane hit hit the World Trade Center I was like what kind of a nitwit in a little single engine plane hits the World Trade Center you know like and then and then 20 minutes later they said you know another plane hit I was like man what are the odds I I will never forget saying what are the odds of two little those PP planes hitting World TR the same day and someone goes no no no no no they were jumbo Jets and that's when I went oh [ __ ] yeah that that was the sorry to say but that was the Brilliance of the attack was it was designed in two phases so all the media attention would have cameras on the buildings when the second one hit because of we've got footage and coverage in real time and people's stories and cell phone footage from the ground so even people that weren't alive and even people that weren't there in New York can experience it in such a more visceral like relatable way than any other attack that we've ever had so if you think about this you think about the media let's talk a little bit about the media and how it is now which is honestly you know it's great that we got this information in livetime but let's talk about another American Tragedy that's happening in our lifetime let's talk about the Challenger disaster I remember my teachers rolling in the TVs now if you're a child of the 8S when a TV got rolled in you're usually pretty happy about that not not this I juncture we saw that happen after the fact because they like it was on repeat on the news but that was a thing that was you know the shuttle launches were always televised you know especially with Chris mcalla being the first teacher to go up there they you know the terrorists knew that we would be watching in livetime at that time from the Challenger disaster on we were and you know since if you was even cany Des you know tragedy but we are known for being a heavily televised pump and Circumstance we're gonna put our balls out for the whole unit whole world to see on TV live and Living Color I mean if you want you know that's just the way Society was so it was not difficult we had movies back you know before that you look at like movies like you know uh The Running Man which you know had yeah as a game show with death on it that was on National Television that was our society it was all voyerism at every single time they were not stupid about what their intentions were is to see what's happening in lifetime and put real fear but what I don't think that they realized is two one is that you were not going to knock you might knock the towers down but you are not going to knock down the spirits of the United States of America we came back bigger better and stronger than ever I knew that at the at the Boston Marathon and the bomber hid in a boat you know and I said you're missing you're missing with Boston okay like you're missing with Boston this guy will be F in five minutes like anyone right I mean come on but the thing is is that unfortunately like I said we're a vois society everything happens in lifetime it doesn't matter what is we have court TV you know yep you see things that are happening on television you never would have thought about that there's that one episode that I hate talking about from Black Mirror On TV to prove a point I don't want to talk about what happened to it because it ruined the whole show for me I never watched another episode from the first episode ever of Black Mirror if you saw that episode you know exactly what I'm talking about it every was like oh you know you watch it afterwards no I will never watch that another episode that show because that messed me up but it's just the way Society is and unfortunately For Better or Worse that's what they were trying to do yep yeah well let's get to some comments here like I said I want to make sure that everybody's got you know gets their stories in because this is not just our show tonight uh Miranda helck always good to see you always good to see you um she says my instructor this week at my training was talking about how weird it was flying right after he said O'Hare Airport was empty and there were no female flight attendants he said all the flight attendants were linebacker looking guys and how everyone just sat down and was quiet to this day I can't comprehend how the events of that day happened uh kale Mich says I'm someone it didn't really hit mom and dad told me they turned on the news when the first plane hit thinking what a terrible accident and then seeing the second one hit live that's like I said ear he said he was three at the time uh he said too young to understand what any of it was about at the time now I'm older I understand what I Liv through but still not to the extent of it all because I wasn't really there at the time yeah and like our to our to our Point Kale like you know if you're not living it it it it's just a different experience that you can't really put into words uh Miranda says yeah I watched the second plane hit live too I thought the first plane was a terrible accident too yeah that's that was the weirdest thing I was like it was just surreal hit a pentagon we're like [ __ ] I know yeah yeah Lally oh just happen like yeah we I gotta that reminds I got to bring up my uh my Facebook page our uncle has a story about that because he was actually uh in the intelligence Community when this all went down but uh Percy engine Productions 061 says mom told me that when 911 happened dad came into the bedroom and said New York's under attack and she thought he was being stupid till she came out and saw what was happening Chastity cwy she says my grandma compared 911 to Pearl Harbor she was in Hawaii during Pearl Harbor my grandparents were engaged so she should have been where it happened but she had gone to town for something yeah that's like you know still got a couple more comments I'd like to get to you but I mean Spencer AJ and I were told a story when we were there in March of 03 and we were talking to one of the police officers work in the corner there and uh he said that that had been his corner for years well he and his wife got married like late August or early September something like that of 2001 and he said they were so she worked on I believe the 100 Floor 101st floor one of the very top floors that's where she worked in one of the towers and he said they were supposed to come back hopefully I don't get all emotional because this always gets me um they were supposed to come back from their honeymoon on September 10th and go back to work the morning of the 11th and he said if we would have done that we'd both be dead cuz she'd have been in the tower and I'd have been running in there to save people but they decided that they were having such a good time on their honeymoon that they decided to stay an extra day so the day that they decided to stay extra was 911 so they didn't come back and go to work and it's that's like just the coincidences of things like that happening are just un unbelievable uh kale says I honestly hope people don't live through something in the scale again anytime soon I don't want to see anything else like this in my lifetime a a Amen to that kale Amen to that yeah this is like yeah that's that's hatred on another level for honestly no reason I it's an attack on on a way of life um and very few people that suffered as a result of that day had anything to do with what the attackers were so mad if you remember that one scene from the I you know bring it back to Star Wars from the book of bua Fett when um k v is sitting in the Cantina in most espa and they see the the the Death Star 2 being blown up in Lifetime on that in the you know the hollow deck it's that's what that was similar to what we were experiencing if you want to bring it back to Star Wars because they were watching it in live time people remember where they were when things happened people you know we remember you know our parents remember where they were when the kened assassination was we remember where we were the Challenger disaster we remember where we were for 911 we remember where we were when Princess Diana died like these we've had some major tragedies in the last 60 70 years in the world but and it's all been in lifetime and it's it's scary that you know we we have the capacity to actually watch all this and the footage is there of everything that happened just imagine what's not been shown yeah yeah with with all the cameras and coverage that everything has now everyone's got everything they need in their pocket to document something good I don't think there's going to be another tragedy that doesn't have massive coverage on it because everyone's on camera all the time pretty much yeah it's I'm trying to look up our our uncle's comment but yeah he was yeah so he had a meeting at the Pentagon he says I was on 66 uh on the way to the Vienna Metro stop for a meeting at the Pentagon needless to say meeting canceled as the world changed that yeah that's I mean that's just just unbelievable it's you know the amount of close calls and I mean and I think I think that's the thing about it is you know Not only was it broadcast live as you guys are talking about um you know so it was you know all of us saw this in real time but I think because because of that and because of you know the fact that they do keep it alive which I think the ceremony they do is is exceptional where they have all the names read every year um I I think it retains a certain level uh of uh intimacy I would say because it's it's it's it seems like a more personal thing and I know a when AJ and I were there they had a wall erected all all down one side and it was a Ply a plywood wall and people had just posted pictures of loved ones and messages and you know even even still some people saying hey you know if you know anything you know they just couldn't couldn't grasp the fact that it would that it you know they were gone and the the one that always gets me of course me being me you know there was a dog you know a rescue dog that you know that was that was a rough one and you know they said he was a good boy and stuff and um the most the most unbelievable one for me which really sucked and I think that and and to me it's always spoken the most about the AJ like you just said like the the innocent people that were killed um there was a mom who posted a picture of her her child couldn't have been more than like a few years old and um the the she had wrote wrote on the picture it said all he did was go to school that day and that will forever stick with me because I mean it that basically says it all and there was so many of those types of sentiments on that wall and one of the things that I am the most proud of is I I think the that wall and everything that was on there is somewhere and my uh we were in New York City because my band was showcasing for 15 major record companies uh those few days and so we said we want to go pay our respects and well AJ had made custom t-shirts for our band that were like New York City themed in the logo and whatnot and we had probably about 20 or 30 fans drive from Cleveland Ohio all eight hours to come support us at these shows so there was probably a crew of like 30 to 40 of us that did this trip together and all of us signed one of the t-shirts and it got stapled up to that wall so um it was kind of a a really cool way to pay respects to to that and kind of you know put a little little bit of our hearts into what people were feeling um so yeah but that that wall and that picture of that that little boy and um you know and again the picture of the dog because it is me um you know there there's so many stories like that and again when you when you listen to and watch the ceremony like you know that they have every year and they have family members say a little speech and you can tell that the you know it's still fresh for them and it's it's painful and and you know even more so like you know we're talking about it's 23 years it's 23 years the amount of the amount of people that you know weren't I mean there were some young kids using this term but there were some not so young kids that said oh you know my my grandfather so and so it's like oh my God are we really that far down the road from this and uh yeah yeah and you know you know I don't I don't know if you guys are able to explain this so this is a question I mean it's and it's probably just just theoretical but I've never been able to properly explain why 911 hits me as hard as it does I I've never been able to properly put into words like why it upsets me why I have such reverence for the day um you know I I I can't figure it out you know I and it's it's weird so I don't know if you guys have theories as to why someone would feel that way but that that wasn't directly affected by it but I just I've never been able to put my my finger on it but it is just the most solemn day in my life that I'm aware of we live through a major American tragedy that happened on our soil and if it did not affect you I don't know how it did it the only people didn't affect were the innocent ones the kids that went to school that day had no idea what was going on until like their parents later on told them or whatever their nature but we were all the age where whether we were miles away or hundreds of miles away or thousands of miles away this was the first real American Tragedy of a terrorist nature on our soil we're not talking about an embassy blowing up in London you know from anything or the American Embassy blowing up there or any other country we're talking about a National Monument recognized building people dying on our soil so of course it's going to have some reverence with us because we actually it was tangible for for us and we were able to touch that building whether it been in you know before it went up there you know we all have people within the six degrees of Our Lives of somebody who passed and at the towers or has a story of the towers so if it doesn't affect you I'd be shocked because it's it's in our face more so than anything else we could talk about Pearl Harbor how you know we all have a connection madebe towards there understand within six degree but our generation Gen X was 911 that was a big one that shaped Society after a tragedy yeah and to uh to to see to your point New York is is kind of it's the symbol of America to the world you know it's in so many movies and pop culture and everything even people that haven't been there feel like they know the place right so to see it happening there it's it's it's one thing to see like you know the subway bombing in France or something or Spain um all these places that we know as Americans are foreign to US unless we've physically been there we don't have the connection but when you see your home turf so to speak under attack that it's so much more affecting because it just it feels it it's to your point Spencer it felt more real than the other things that we've heard about that happened in other places it's very easy to hear a news report about someplace you've never been and people you've never met and be somewhat removed from it but when you know that you probably you might have actually spoken to somebody who was in the tower and never knew it you know prior to 911 and to see it like that like that it just it hits right at the heart of our own culture in such a way that's so much more personal and seeing those ground level accounts of you know the camera pans up and you see the CL the dust cloud coming at at the at the camera it's it's unlike anything that's ever been experienced before even even your point about the Challenger we saw a little blip up in the sky go poof but that was it um it's it's just it's just so different when you see people physically running for their lives and maybe not even making it out safely in real time like that and I know I be remiss not to say is that every year on this date we see all the posts about actress Steve Bushi reenlisting into the fire department to volunteer to help um you know every year on this state we see about Steve Bui and I have a great deal of respect for those who have not who are not active firefighters or you know Brothers of The Shield if you will getting involved I mean Mark Drex you know a good friend of all of ours from the know the vcn you know saying that he you know he was a firefighter in New York at that time as well we all know people's stories we know we're connected and it's a story that we are going to tell you know our kids our grandkids and hopefully no you know the day that the country changed and yeah you know I don't want to say that some Skeptics might have saw this happening because you know we were very much the country was very much high on the hog back in that day if you imagine that something was going to happen sooner or later we didn't know what but just the the morale but it did nothing but make us stronger what was made to make us weaker made us stronger every scenario that has happened since then tragedies on our Shores has been nothing but an opportunity to show the true nature of our country our hearts and our integrity as people people and it's very disconcerning and we're not going to get into a political debate or anything of that nature that's going because we do not do that here on the virtual c network and there's no politics in Star Wars so we're not gonna talk about politics in Star Wars because there's no such thing as politics in Star Wars but it was the one thing that didn't matter if you were Republican or if you were a Democrat or if you were a green party or if you an independent it didn't matter matter you were an American and you were as proud to be an American as your brother who might have voted your neighbor who lives next door every four years you get a huge argument with you wanted to do nothing but hug that person and say I love you yeah I got a couple more comments I want to bring up but real quick to your point Spencer I know that um you know my band played a big benefit show uh for the firefighters in New York here in Cleveland shortly after that happened and it was at a club that held a thousand people we sold it out and I will never ever forget being on that stage and of course you got to say a few words of thanks just say hey man thanks everybody because people were donating money uh the bands all obviously donated their time and and it's it's it's so I guess it's cliche at a point because we all heard all the chant of USA USA you know we we have heard them at sporting events and all this different stuff but when that happened at that concert it was first of all it was thunderous and second of all you knew it was heartfelt and you did feel I mean excuse me I think you just phrased it perfectly Spencer you did feel that camaraderie and you did feel that sense of togetherness and it was you know and it was it was an awesome feeling and it it sucked that it had to take something like that for that to to occur but it did occur and you know it it gave me hope it still gives me hope to be honest with you because I know that deep down somewhere like you said like no politics and everything um and we don't talk politics either but deep down somewhere no matter the division people might feel it's it's really not you know I I I think people you know when the chips are down really come together I think so um yeah uh chassid says that in her hometown I know she lives out in Utah uh in her hometown the city puts up a flag for everyone that was killed on 911 it stays up for most of September each year but on 9911 they light each flag as they read the name that Flag represents good Lord wow it's incredible yeah John Phillips good to see you man he says uh you know you know to your point Spencer you know we all saw it on TV we didn't see Oklahoma bombing or the original Trade Center bombing when it happened only afterwards uh and then Miranda this is something I wanted to get to you so I'm glad you bring it up um being a first responder myself and thank you for that always um being a first responder myself I always think about what First Responders went through then and after I don't know how some of those people mentally recovered psychologically we shouldn't have to rationalize such an unrationed I wanted I wanted to talk about that because I I uh did a brief little guest spot on a show here in Cleveland earlier today uh the Seth Williams Show and we talked about it and we talked about the word Heroes and I think you know one thing that was brought up was you know Flight 93 you know I think you know I I I think that doesn't get talked about as much as it should you know we are focused on you know the Trade Centers Trade Center because of you know the size of the building and the amount of loss of life um but you know the Pentagon you know got hit obviously as we know but Flight 93 you had a bunch of people who pretty much knew what their fate was and decided to do something anyway you know and I think that that is something that should always be talked about because you know taking down that air plane or at least trying to take it over knowing what they knew that you know three planes that already hit you know hit national landmarks and you know they basically surmised like you know they're probably going to the White House or going to Washington with this one um you know I mean I can't imagine the fortitude that it had to have taken to decide we're going to do something about this you know and especially I I I you know tip of the spear the first guy going down that aisle like he knows what is probably in store for him and it it's just unbelievable to me and I think I think it is a perfect example of you know what we believe in ourselves to be as Americans and also what you know the I'm not sure how to phrase this properly but it's you know when we think about 9911 and we think of the First Responders and the people that you know quote unquote that did something about this I think they should be the first ones you know some of the first ones we think of and I I I don't think they are but I think that is such a display of Courage um you know because even the people in New York City some of them they they they weren't aware the building was coming down they were just like let's get the hell out of here or let's go help people get the hell out of here you know it wasn't in their mind hey this this thing's going to collapse but the people on on flight 93 absolutely knew what you know where they were going where this was going to end for them and they still did it you know and I mean Miranda says it perfectly she says those are regular people being Heroes yeah and I I just think that that is such an unbelievable part of the story and um I mean you know C could you imagine if they had gotten all the way to Washington what that would have looked like to see like the capital or or the white house as just like a you know a smoking hole in the ground what a visual that would have been T I hate to phrase it in these terms but hopefully you know where I'm saying when I'm coming from what a quote unquote win that would have been for the terrorists I mean yeah I mean it would be it' be almost like if your example if you would take you know England for example if you know you know we we we we watch you know V for Vendetta you know over here United States with the whole guy fox day over in England you know talking about blowing up parliament in Big Ben which is you know a symbol over in England you know when you you have something that stands for and is like the symbol of that country then anything of that time or in that country would have been you know you know the fact that they got the tow they didn't get the you know they were going towards you know DC if they got the White House it would have been bad I think it would have been worse if you know not to say that it was not a ter a horrific act uh Act of terrorism and you know a complete tragedy but like you said if something happened to the White House I I hate to imagine what life would be today honestly I mean I mean that who whoever had the the football at that time if they were still alive probably would have pressed the button yeah yeah they um the people on flight 93 really the heroism doesn't just stop at at taking the plane down because of the that Target they had already hit at the population of America and put the fear into all of us because normally when we hear about tragedies and massive loss of life it's it's military you know it's it's not regular people being attacked not here um so they had already put the fear in us because we knew that we were in the crosshairs but to strike to your point at a symbol of our government of Western civilization and democracy as we know it that would have had shock waves All Around the World in an entirely different degree because we've already seen terrorist attacks before and heard of them and life goes on unfortunately um in a dismissive way but to see the seat of government of the most powerful nation in the world attacked like that would have been so much more terrifying to everybody on the planet because at that point if the White House can get hit like that then no no place is safe yeah so those those people on flight 93 Were Heroes in so much more than just the loss of life that they uh endured and prevented by their actions it's also the culture that they preserved yep uh Nick Hall says I was in fourth grade and we were rounded up into class by groups or excuse me rounded up into class groups by grade it was explained to us what terrorism was Heavy subject mattered process at such a young age um good buddy Jim BK Jackal one he says I had just retired from the military a couple months earlier and was waiting for the call to return if needed damn yeah I mean that's one of the things I mean I even even though it's it's been said a million times it can never be said enough just I mean the First Responders I mean I I've I've seen so many documentaries and there's so much footage and just those people going up and I I I think what gets missed sometimes is you know some you know of course you could say well that's their job you know you could you could dumb it down to that but you know what there was I I think they knew there was no way in hell that they were getting that fire put out up there and yet they were still headed up there to do something you know they it was it was very much a hopeless situation and they just kept doing what they had to do and I know that that's their job and we we you know you want to say well that's you know what they signed up for for and everything like that so I you know it's you know that for them that's normal to them they think oh that's normal but but it but it's not I mean that that will always just be unbelievable to me and it's it's just a testament to the human spirit it's a testament to the selflessness uh you know that that those people have so again Miranda thank you um you know one of the most heartbreaking things that I've seen and all of the you know documentaries and videos and and stuff that I've I've come across was um you know uh firefighters I I I don't remember if it's police as well but I know at least firefighters um they have like little locator things that they wear and they they tweet you know to hey if if they're lost somewhere they tweet people can you kind of locate them or whatever at least back I don't know if it's changed now but back then that's what they had and there was uh one of the documentaries I think it was the National Geographic one they were showing the morning after and uh the at Ground Zero you it sounded like a flock of birds you just heard hundreds of these things if not thousands going off all at the same time and you you you basically knew what it meant and it was just such an incredible incredible thing to see and um you know like I say it's just I I wish I could put into into words why it affects me the way that it does it it honestly confuses me because it's just I feel so emotional about it and and it's and you know full disclosure AJ you know this I'm one of those people who like I hate people I love I love pets you know like I'm I'm a dog person like I think people could be a-holes and dogs can't I'm one of those so maybe this is just such an incredible loss of life and hu and such a human tragedy that it even cuts through someone who's a little jaded like me I I wonder sometimes if that's what it is honestly I'm I'm the same way uh you're more emotional than I am but I was in New York over the summer and I you know made a I call it a pilgrimage uh to see the 911 memorial and Museum and uh just walking up to the site and you know I was there with you in 2003 so I I have a sense of scale to this thing but um what what an incredible mix of emotions it was to be back there again one to see how beautiful the area is now um yeah to your to your point Freedom Tower is not on the very site it is slightly away from the site um and the memorial itself is underground um they've left they've left the the footprint of the two towers there and they are waterfalls that Cascade Inward and they have all around the perimeter the names of all the victims that day um and then you you go and take stairs down into the underground section um you know like where the Subways run and stuff like that um and that's where the memorial is um the sheer scale of it one really you have to see that in person to believe it no amount of footage is going to do it justice and um I told you that one thing they did very well was yes there there are all kinds of tributes all over the place and the original Footprints and the substructure of the buildings are intact there um so you can actually go up and see them and actually you know in some cases put your hand on it and touch the actual remaining structure but then inside um where where the actual buildings would have been um they have the true Memorial where it's there's no cameras allowed there's no recording of any kind um and it takes you through much like when we went to that Titanic exhibit down in Columbus at uh kosai where they give you like a time lapse kind of thing whereas you're walking through the events proed um and it's it's incredible because as we have all lived through this you know we know what we felt as it was unfolding in our our thoughts and feelings throughout the day I I didn't want to go in there just just even even like seeing the intro bits of it I wanted to turn around and they have exits throughout the whole thing because it's it's overwhelming but I felt like I had to like I I it it would be so chicken [ __ ] of me if I can't even go and watch an account and experience that compared to all the the sacrifices that people made that day to save others and so so on and so forth and you know they've got recordings of 911 calls and back and forth um there's there's even a section that is deliberately off The Walking path and and they say it's a trigger warning and I'm getting choked up just thinking about it but um they actually have footage of the jumpers these people that had they were cut off they there was no stairwell access anymore and they they just chose to to jump and they had um notes that they had left for their families oh my God and just so when we say like 911 never forget if you ever go to that place you won't you can't it's it's incredible just how personal and and how reverent the experience of being there is I actually know when I'm going uh I bought tickets to a concert at Radio City Music Hall this morning and and my family and I have been talking about taking a trip to New York City for years because they've never been so I will be doing that so that's one of the first things um one of the first things that that's first thing on my list 100% the first thing uh weird question because I know I'm gonna be this guy if nobody else is are there a lot of Tears in that place oh yes oh yes so all right so so I I'm not going to be like weird crying guy no it's it's like a tomb in there I mean there's there's noise from the exhibits but even that is they direct it in such a way that it stays pretty quiet and targeted unless you want to hear whatever the display is but otherwise yeah it's it's so solemn in there and it as well it should be do you have interest in seeing that Spencer or is it an experience that might be it's too powerful for you or where do you stand on things like that I'm in two minds for it because I do remember as a child uh being in Israel with my parents um and going to the Holocaust Museum and oh jeez I'm I'm not comparing I don't want anybody to say that I'm comparing the Holocaust two n two separate things but I did go to the Holocaust Museum in Tel Aviv which was supposed to be one of the greatest at the time I heard the DC was incredible but I'll never step foot into it but I do remember a quarter of the way in at age 13 in hysteric crying and having my parents taking me out of the museum just because it was so emotionally like and I want presss again I am not in any capacity comparing the Holocaust to 911 I'm just saying that going to a museum of that sort of magnetude I don't know if I have this stomach out of sheer up being upset about the scenario to be to even walk in I think that I'll be able to like do the outskirts or maybe you know take the steps down like you know a little bit like like AJ was talking about but I don't know if I'll be able to do full monty just because it was once again literally in my backyard and too close to comfort it's I I mean I was talking about earlier on with the marathon with my wife and my wife still has PTSD to this day which understandably so for five years after Marathon bomi she could not go back to the line by the presential center in Boston she could not go there she couldn't stomach it she would have me we drive to Cambridge go to Harvard Yard or har yard as he call it over here um you know um she'd have me go alter alternate route or the long way around so it would have to pass it it was after during we were seeing John Williams at the Boston Symphony Orchestra which is a 15minute walk from the line my wife actually said to me while they were playing The Imperial March after here could we make the walk I'm like yes and she faced her fears you know from there and once again power of John Williams music and the Imperial March because K has to come back to Star Wars with us here on the virtual Kina Network yeah um right no no cheap plug and Shilling here but of course yeah it's it's more important now than ever as JT was saying it's remember where we were remember who we were at that time remember who we are because of situations like this and how it shaped our lives our children's lives and Society afterwards and also remember how lucky we are because a lot of people were not as lucky as they were then yeah and remember you know when we go to Celebration when we're going through security and we have to do our real IDs now which are you know law basically law at this point uh just to go through to security security to go to security It All Happened from there I remember when I would fly when I was five years old across the country to go see my grandparents by myself my would walk me to the gate and my grandparents would be at the gate waiting for me you know I remember being uncompany minor on a plane you know those sort of things don't happen anymore and this is all from 911 so when if you're going to any of the cons in the country we getting ready for celebration whenever it's unit Sayes or if you're going to Japan remember the fact that a lot of these protocols that are going on right now are because of this and remember how lucky we are to have each other and have opportunities to voice our opinion good B and different you know we talked about the soapbox Mafia all the time good better and different you know we are all the same when it comes down to it and if you really want to come down to and and tie this all back together Star Wars can be as divisive as politics we all know this but our love of Star Wars as a whole as a concept as a feeling and a love is what brings us all together and what brings us all to Celebration regardless of where you come from so regardless of where you come from and how you feel every American on September the 12th was Proud To Be An American Proud to put up a flag because you never saw so many flags except for Memorial Day or the 4th of July yeah true and it was for a very long time I am very proud to be an American I'm very proud to of where we come from I'm very proud of you know where we are and I'm very proud of where we're going and I'm very proud that we have a society right now that we can talk about our emotions and it is okay to not be okay but being okay with not being okay because I could tell you back before that time when we were growing up it would have been frowned upon for JT to be on camera right now crying yeah enough yeah yeah we are in a time right now where it is okay to not be okay and it's okay to be an emotional wreck and to get it out and have a group of people with a common love and it doesn't be Star Wars it could be the United States it could be any other franchise out there it could be a sports team even as delusional as those people who watch the Browns gonna get dumped off the show I'm hovering I'm hovering on that button man I watch up it's heavy stuff here some serious heavy [ __ ] here but I want to make people laugh I want to make you guys laugh talk about gez I know but the fact is is that we have each other and we could all talk about our connections to these great tragedies we could also look at from these tragedies where we have come up and how we have grown as a human race good bad or different in various directions but always remember where were you on 911 yeah totally yeah it's it's rough man um yeah I don't know how to follow that up but except for to say that you know I really want to see I I think for all the reasons that you say Spencer you know like I I think that's why I want to go through the memorial I mean the historian in me or you know history buff I should say I can't say historian but you know for that reason I want to see it but I think you know like AJ said it's it's you know there's a reverence there and I think you know as emotional as I will get you know I I feel like it's kind of like my duty as as as an American to go through and show respect you know there and and make it through everything and you know good on your M if will say that they do put a positive spin on it it's not just the history of that day it's the history of that site so it follows on from 2001 and through all the rebuilding efforts and the tributes and how the memorial came to be on that site so you you see it that part is inspiring is you see obviously everything that led up to the events of the day Spencer to your point they have footage of um airport security and the terrorists passing through it it's it might as well be a card table I mean there's like nothing to it it's amazing that this didn't happen soon um but then it it yeah once you get through the heavy part in the day itself then it talks about the recovery efforts afterwards which in some ways is a lot harder obviously because eventually it it stops being uh a search for survivors and just clearing out the bodies um but then it talks about how how the you know the site was recis as a memorial in a green space and you know how it came back and life moves on and like the fact that we're still here and we're talking about it rather than living through the sort of world that the terrorists who perpetrated this attack would have us live in instead so it it is not uplifting but at least inspirational in the way the experience finishes itself up so at least when you leave you're not still sitting in the filth of that day the emotional weight of it all and you actually get reminded that hey you're here now things are better it's a tragedy we'll never forget but life does move on and we can recover yeah mean Mark Mark Trax you know he said earlier in the show that he was a firefighter down there and uh he he said he said I've never been able to bring myself to go back to Ground Zero I I can't even imagine I just I I I can't even imagine what you know what you had to go through back then man but I I don't I don't know what e to say thank you or I'm sorry or or both or or which but I I guess honestly it's it's it's both so um oh that's brutal I can't even imagine yeah um yeah like I say it's I I I I'm excited to go there um just because I feel like it sounds stupid to say but it kind of feels like part of my duty as an American you know I feel like I'm if I'm in New York City I figure that's something I should be going to see something I should be experiencing you know um and especially with my family you know it's something you know uh you know Spencer to your point uh few minutes ago my my stepson on a class trip went to Washington DC and he did go to the Holocaust Museum and he said that all the things that he saw and and the Smithsonian and all this other stuff he said that the Holocaust Museum was by far the most powerful and just incredibly I I I I don't really I mean the only word to use is powerful because you know he said they've got the pile of shoes and stuff like that and you know it's and again like you know just something of that magnitude so you know you were saying earlier like you know you're not trying to compare the Holocaust to 911 and and nobody I know nobody thought that but I think but I but I don't think they're too far apart because it's such an enormous human tragedy obviously the Holocaust is on a whole different level you're talking about 6 million people as opposed to you know 3,000 but um you know the sentiment is there as as being something that should never have happened um something that was just born of hate and just really disgusting um but yeah I you know it's it's it's going to be interesting to to see uh AJ you know like you said you know you hadn't been back since 2003 three so now you know it'll be next year what is it 25 be 20 22 years since I've been there and uh yeah it's just you know that's just you know un unbelievable yeah I mean yeah CH should bring bring dogs into it since I'm a dog person she says AJ you mentioning them stopping looking for survivors makes me think of the rescue dogs that were getting depressed finding any survivors so workers had to pretend to be rescued for the dogs I remember reading that yeah that was did you read that book by the way that I got you uh I have not yet yeah I I for the viewers out there uh they they have a gift shop of course and there's a whole book of uh impressionist art and stories about the uh rescue dogs of 911 so I started and I started crying so yeah it got me right away man um this is why they can't watch the homework Channel at his house exactly so Mark says I just want to thank the three of you for doing this show and remembering all my friends um you're you're welcome man uh I think I think as we've said um it's definitely a day that should never ever be forgotten again I I am very very fervent in my belief that this should be a national holiday um I mean holiday is a terrible word to use um but I I I really think that it should be you know a day of remembrance and a day of reverence and um just giv more attention than it is I I I I I really firmly believe that I I think it's you know like as we know it's it's the worst the single worst you know terrorist attack on us soil in history um and I think you know the loss of innocent life should always be you know remembered and it it should be I don't want to get all emotional again but yeah I just I I just firmly believe that it it should you know it should definitely be remembered topic Duran Duran need Duran or Duran yeah right what was the other one the war was neither civil nor a war disuss yeah um but yeah Mark you're welcome like I say I just um it was interesting like when I you know I thought about this a few weeks ago agan and I were like what are we going to do as a topic and I was like you know what I'm very passionate about 911 and I I always say oh you know it needs to have more attention uh more I hate to keep using the reverence and I thought you know we've got a platform where a few people watch here in there I would like to put my money where my mouth is um you know it's it's just it's incredible so um and and and frankly it it just didn't feel right to even try to not do a show about it like we're trying to pick a topic and thinking in the back of our minds how can we talk about anything else yeah it just it that would seem disrespectful to not pause and use this platform to let people think about it reflect on it and process it some more I feel like we still have to process it every year yeah and I I had a hard time concentrating at work all day because I you know I mean to be completely honest if you know this day didn't fall during our busiest time of the year at work where I just I cannot take time off of work I just I I'm not able to I would I would have this I wouldn't be working on this day every single year I wouldn't be I would just be doing you know watching programs about it and you know things about the Freedom Tower and all that kind of stuff just to just to show it the proper respect I think it deserves how about this my my best friend from high school today's his birthday well you know what Spencer it's funny you say that because AJ AJ and our brother and I always joke because AJ and I have an older brother we're the the three siblings in the family and we always joke that unfortunately we know when the next terrorist attack on us soil is going to be and it we don't know the year but we know it's going to be May 3rd of one of these years because that's at that's AJ's birthday the first terrorist attack was on February 26th which is my birthday and then the second one was September 11th which is our older brother's birthday so the only one of the three of us left is AJ so like you said you had two two attacks in your backyard Spencer you and AJ just need to stay as far away from each other as possible if there's ever any like International tensions or something because you guys are gonna set off a war guess what we'll all come back together on May the 4th that see there you go there you go that's way to bring it around I know that's awesome all right well Spencer do you have anything else uh before we uh put you back in the green room and close up the close up shop here no but guys thank you so much for having me on I I when you mentioned the subject you know I wanted to come on and talk about you know like I said being in the area when that happened um everybody thank you so much for watching this episode uh usual it's unusual than our you know usual liart stick that we're known for um want to also plug that tomorrow night on the virtual cantino watch along we are going off format and we're doing a tribute to the man himself James Earl Jones didn't get to that the last of the four original Vaders to pass if you think about that between David Bob Anderson and Sebastian Shaw James R Jones the last one the original four um so tomorrow night we are going to be watching Empire Strikes Back uh which we felt was the Star Wars Episode to watch being the one that was the most diversive and prolific thanks to the one line we all know what we're talking about uh later on in the year when we do the movies that we are thankful for in November we do have a plan to watch feel the dreams so join us tomorrow night at 9:30 Eastern 6:30 Pacific on the virtual Cante Network where we are going to be watching Empire Strikes Back Then also don't forget that in three weeks we have the final b e special edition coming to from Nashville Tennessee as part of IC con very excited about that karaoke and a couple of extra signers that we're bringing to the con if you're in Nashville are able to come to Nashville hope to see you there it's be a great time an incredible original trilogy lineup uh same weekend we're also running a meet up over at La Comic Con and then obviously we have one for New York Comic Con and our last big one at Rhode Island this year so there's plenty of time there plenty of programming on the virtual CA Network stay tuned for more news desks as more information comes out about Japan 2025 we will be having a Noto virtual Cantina there um and very excited about that but once again guys thank you so much for having me on the show tonight uh it's a was a pleasure as always talking to you something outside of Star Wars but you know always bring it back to Star Wars which is why we're all here and like I said before it doesn't matter where your entry point is to Star Wars you don't have to like everything you don't you can love what you love just remember at the end of the day we all love Star Wars for whatever it is and now no one fan is any more a fan than the person sitting next to you totally agree man awesome well thanks guys appreciate it much love yep we'll see you in a minute man y thanks Spencer so there he goes there goes uh our very good friend Spencer jawitz of the virtual Cana Network again uh we've got to shout him out as being the guy that got us onto the virtual canteen and network uh very surprising invite when he asked us hey do you want to be on the network I was like what our our dumb asses doing that right so uh but yeah joke if you want to talk to me after the show I'll be [ __ ] surprised right um but yeah and uh guys to all you guys watching uh any you guys catching a replay or listening to the audio version thank you for tuning in uh again thank you uh or sorry excuse me for you know going a little off script and not doing as Spencer said our usual shtick um but again I you know I I think that this was something uh that needed to be talked about I I definitely enjoy speaking about it and keeping the memory of all those people alive all the First Responders and it also again as I mentioned earlier kind of gives me hope you know that you know as as divided as things can be that it doesn't have to be that way and that you know somewhere deep down all of us are still you know are still you know one people and you know so I'm just I'm uh just just glad we got to do this man it's this is very very cathartic for me I think and um so thanks for going along with it AJ I know I didn't have to twist your arm very hard but still nope as much as we love our Star Wars and everything else there there are more important things going on sometimes yeah so all right well with that we will close up shop gotta say thanks to everybody in the chat our good friends kale MCC and chasy Crawley Mark tra always good to see you man uh wish we got to see you guys more often than just celebrations um maybe we'll have a road trip for something one of these times catch everybody uh John Phillips good to see you Jackal one Miranda thank you very much Nick Hall uh all you guys man again you guys make the show go you guys in the chat so um we are going to be back here on Wednesday September 25th at 800m Eastern Standard Time and uh chasty this one's for you um we are going to be talking Harry Potter and and the Chamber of Secrets so we are doing the second of the Harry Potter novels films uh I actually just finished that one today again I I I finished rereading the book I I tend to just as soon as I get through Deathly Hallows I tend to just go right back through so so that's that's kind of cool I'm actually buying physical copies like I said on the last episode so uh also uh as AJ pointed out to me thank you very much it also happens to be uh September which is back to Hogwarts month so it's another good reason for us to talk a little bit more Harry Potter with you guys so um yeah uh Jack about one of my favorite characters Guild Roy lockheart so oh God yeah getting on uh yeah we we we'll have to we'll have to talk about this a little bit another time when when it's appropriate but you know kale says breaking news Disney being sued for Tarkin in Rogue one yeah let's see apparently so yeah legal batter over legal battle over using Peter Cushing's likeness why is this this now coming out eight years ago what the hell oh I hate when people do that crap and and you know what though it's a little personal to me today because I had to go file a small claims court claim against somebody today so I'm I'm not happy about having to potentially screw somebody over but uh yeah so all right man well before we jump out uh what else do you have uh nothing I just want to thank everybody for hanging out for us on a very different kind of show tonight um it's good to know that you know you guys show up for all the topics and not just the fun ones uh we're alls we all got some stuff to unpack from time to time so thank you very much for sticking with us and hanging tight um I'm not even going to bother with our usual social plugs or anything yeah we'll get to it again next time yep yeah so like we said man we'll be back here on September 25th at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time talking about Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets uh guys as usual we are brought to you by audible go to Audi trial.com NHC for your 30-day trial and a free audiobook download uh and if you would like to get a free audiobook there is a ton of really good 911 stuff on there um if you want to shoot us an email at uh nerfer counil gmail.com I do have some some suggestions none of it is cons uh conspiracy theory stuff it's all factual and some very uplifting stories and things like that um so if you'd like some suggestions you can just hit us up on on you know via email or on Facebook or all that good stuff um if You' like to get some customizable nerfer Council swag just 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cheese ass one last time but seriously never forget um God bless all of the uh victims God bless the First Responders God bless the families and uh most of all guys God bless you and God bless the United States of America so uh we'll see you later guys