Pavel Sivakov and riding for Pogacar

[Music] hey everyone and welcome to the second episode of the rest day with Jack he I'm trying to get a little bit more professional here by doing bit of an intro the last one with W was a bit more maybe rushed and unorganized by this time I sat down with pav silov is a pretty close friend of mine we live together in Andor and we both recently raised wealth Catalonia and I wanted to sit down and try and get his perspective on changing teams from inos to what it's like to raise with t pogar it was his first race with Tedy in VA Calia and Tedy was quite dominant we kind of speak about how the tactics and the race work for UAE when they race with t how it was personally for him and what his experience is with changing teams and how he's enjoying the first couple of months with u all right I'm sitting here with pav sov we're back in Andora it's about a week and a half after world catalunia I wanted to do this a little bit earlier but you were actually racing GP inine which was the weekend after catalon yeah exactly yeah how'd that go actually pretty well I mean um yeah we won the race with with the team with Brandon um and yeah for me personally also like in catalon I was suffering the whole week to be honest and there in nin I was like towards the front in the back end of the race so it was a nice feeling to to be back in front really and yeah happy so yeah looking forward to the to the next one yeah I think both of us one really enjoying Cal that much we together a little bit but I think I think like it's a race you really enjoy if you're in good Nick but yeah we were not in our normal shape you know and I think uh yeah we suffered quite a lot although it was still a nice week to be honest especially for me like one year maybe before we talk too much about um Catalonia I thought we'd touch on changing teams you moved from inos Team Sky to UAE this year yeah how's the change been has it been easier or harder than you thought change teams honestly I I never had like a lot of apprehension about changing teams um like I never been scared of like fitting in or anything like this was just looking forward to changing environment having something new new trainings new new people around and it's been great I think it's what I need I spent a lot of time with it's been six years six or eight years and yeah I need definitely need to change I think at some point you just stagnate and yeah like I've said it before yeah just it's just what I needed and yeah there is it's two different teams to be honest like two different mentalities I would say um you know with do let's say Italian History Spanish also influence in in UAE and you was being British is obviously different but yeah I'm really enjoying it yeah the same thing with green Edge I was there 5 years and just after five years I was ready for a change I was like I there was no real like particular reason but I just really wanted to have a change and changes sometimes nice um some of the biggest differences in the team changing you said you change uh coaches obviously yeah we speak a little bit about this when we're out yeah yeah yeah actually my training changed a lot uh I'm now within igos saman the the famous coach Zone famous Zone 2 yeah so yeah is a lot different from what I'm used to do is a lot of zone two riding actually really steady riding one pace all day and yeah Less hours but I would say it's not even more intense yeah harder hours so it's basically when you do five hours you're five hours on you know as before was like some easy Parts in between but yeah a lot of Zoom to stuff and yeah actually it's I'm Still Into You know um the process of understanding it really well what how I should approach it what works for me what doesn't work um but yeah I'm also like Keen you know to to try a different approach on on training uh change things as I said so no it's it's it's pretty good I would say youve become a lot less fun train with yeah yeah actually that's one thing it's you you cannot really train with people so much because yeah when you have like most of my let's say if I'm not resting on on an easy ride I would just ride yeah 280 Watts you know and it's not the nice the nice space especially like we were talking the other day you know we're like let's say not heavy heavy but like in the we're heavy for climbers yeah we're heavy for climbers like in a 70 kg range and yeah for me Zone 2 is actually for us Zone 2 is actually quite high so yeah not many people can train with you you know we just riding 2 80 Watts all day so yeah it's yeah I think we trained together much more when you were in inos yeah it was much more easy we could adapt more now is now I there's not much conversational Pace no no no um and then we were also talking the other day about changing in nutrition obviously you're working uh well nutrition's become a lot more important now in cycling and then yeah every team sort of has a slightly different way of doing nutrition like in green AG I did bit of a certain way and then at the beginning in Bahrain they weren't really putting that much emphasis on it but now I think it's actually probably one of the things that my team does really well and they put a lot of uh emphasis on nutrition I think we have four nutritionists we have two chefs in the team have a big kitchen truck but what was some of the changes you had from uh inos to UAE uh I would say the the biggest changes [Music] maybe um we focus Less on like let's say like I told you last time the periodizing you know like is actually quite high in carbs most of the time because as well the training changed so I don't have like one day where I'll be doing like six hours quite easy um although in zone 2 you still burn fats but it's like a lot of calories so I'm not periodizing as much I would say like um cu the nutrition is that gka he yeah Gorka Gorka PR uh actually they're looking for someone now to to help him but he's lone in the team which is crazy when you hear about like a world to a team only having one nutritionist but he published a study on car periodization yeah yeah and I guess that's why he's philosophy is a bit more high carb all time yeah I mean I think it was yeah was like they did a study with carbon and fat like they they just seen that basically like this what he told me as well like what matters is the calories not really the way you take them in and for us as as endurance satting density is definitely quite High every day so it's better to have like uh the most efficient Source fuel which is carbs so yeah that's how that's how we approach it here but then at the end at the end of the day I don't think there is also like a drastic difference from inos to to UAE you know this is like a I would say tiny bit like small a little tweak you know uh was also really good with iour last year actually another Buzz guy uh um but yeah just madebe less periz I would say and you don't have a kitchen truck in UA do miss kitchen truck in anyos cuz anyos kitchen truck is pretty cool it's really nice it's like uh on the ground uh yeah I wouldn't lie he a really nice one it's like almost you little home you know because every day you get back in and especially have good memories like I don't know we had such a good group last year in the jro you just spend hours in there chatting and that that was really nice it's just like same place same seat every day um it's really like for the comfort but when you think about the performance side it's not making so much difference to be honest you know at the end of day if you have a chef that cooks good food if you eat in a kitchen truck or if you eat in like in a hotel it's also it's also yeah but the kit truck is nice like you like you said you spend so much time in there we got a new kitchen truck just now in brain and it's nicer inside than the old one that we used to have but you spend so much time in there that you actually have a lot of really nice memories and conversations with the teammates in there in then yeah you been breakfast and dinner every day there and it's kind of where you decompress a little bit from the day after stage the like it's just a bit it can be pretty fun sometimes yeah I think it's like um basically the area of the Riders you know there is no one else just just us because yeah there is just us on the race but then we don't we're not in the same like next to each other there's a lot of other guys around but there this kitchen truck I think actually for a group Bond if you have a good Dynamics you know sometimes maybe you have like one team where no not everyone is getting let's not along very well but maybe there's like language bars and stuff maybe then is is a bit different but when you have a good group is yeah it's just making that group uh closer and closer uh more differences who has the better boss actually I haven't um I haven't been in new boss of UAE yet but you had the one with the expanding sides I I no not in catalon I was in Pines it was in parin and now it was in the classic so so you have the whole B now yeah now in know has a new bus as well so I comp cuz I saw the expanding side bus yeah in um Paran it looked pretty cool cuz now our kitchen truck has the same thing you get so much more space so I was curious to hear but when you spend time yeah I'll tell it I'll tell you [Music] enough how's the season been so far you did Walter Valencia that was the first right yeah it was like it was not a great start I would say I mean um I trained really well the whole winter and yeah I was in pretty good shape starting the season for valenciana and yeah on stage actually already on stage one I start to feel a lot of pain on my tendon behind me at the semi tendinosis and yeah it just got in flame I basically just one day of racing and is two weeks off you know you know it's like crazy sometimes when you push like one Tenon or something then like a few hours can make you out of the the your sport for for a couple weeks so yeah I mean it was a setback um but I'm most I Al I try to look at the positives like it happened early in the season um my SC is actually going to be long and hard in the middle middle bits in the summer especially so yeah uh um no it hasn't been ideal then I had two weeks off like more less three weeks of training before calonia and yeah raised there so that was pretty tough actually I would like we talk just ear we both wereing at our level there and I think you know mentally it's pretty hard when you used to be not suffering at a certain Pace especially now with the numbers we can see the wats we're pushing uh and you're like yeah but normally I can push this quite easily and you can do it and I think it just corrects you mentally yeah it's pretty hard we're talking the other day about how now World Tour racing has got so hard that if you miss like 5% of your Fitness that the racing like it's just impossible to be part of the race and yeah it's really hard mentally to know that you're capable of being at least close to the front and then not being anywhere near it and now there's so much depth in the professional or in the world to a field that the difference between fifth or 50th now everyone's so strong at that bottom end whereas before maybe you would be like instead of being fifth you'd be 15th whereas now if you miss 5% you're 50th instead of yeah I think so it's like because if you look everyone around everyone is so professional now so much more professional everyone is doing Al camps even like you know like let's say domestic fighters who are not even yeah fighting for wins and everything but yeah I agree with you and I think also seeing some maybe yeah numbers and stuff a lot you like makes you think also more about your level you know like if you cannot push something mentally is is harder but no I agree like now is it's crazy like I did some you know work for t on that trace and I pulled off and I thought yeah there is at least 50 guys behind me it was like maybe 20 or 10 guys was actually crazy on the first stage I did like one pull especially catalon the climbing level is so good Catal and uh zilia are probably the worst tours for gredos there like nothing like everyone's just climbs and everyone just goes full and like when you think there's 20 guys left there's 50 yeah yeah and everyone in the last clim in the last clim everyone still goes pretty fast yeah like you can with relax talking Catal and domestics uh Domin Novak he was a teammate of mine in Bahrain and then now he's with uh UAE he's maybe doesn't get spoken about that much because he does a lot of the work maybe before the TV cameras come on man he's so strong and in catalon was out of control yeah it's just funny because I think like you know if if you talk to people who just like journalist they watch the race they probably don't know who he is yeah they they don't even they they didn't even see him but everyone that did catalunia talked about godamn doin why is he riding so hard oh yeah we me and Felix we we told him few times to slow down but yeah he was just so strong that weak he was just honestly I don't know if I've seen I haven't seen this many time that one guy can pull like so good on the flats in the climbs and just like so long and also repeated day after day I guess maybe talking about D being such a strong bastard um the tactics now you're riding with it was the first race to did with him yeah is it like what are you talking about in the DS meeting like before like he's in catalon he's so much better than everyone else there yeah you just say that he like ride harder than when you guys he attacks and he wins actually what the first like thing that I I noticed is like it was so relaxed on this race like I mean we're going there for the win but it's almost like it's not that we take it for granted but like the team knows that he's the strongest Rider and he's like so relaxed and we're just like yeah okay like basically we we have to bring him to this point and even if we're all cooked he's like ah yeah I can save the day anyway you know if even if we're not there he can win you know it's not like yeah we will make the race hard and I think that's what domen did the whole week like it was impressive but at the end of the day like even if we drop earlier for him doesn't change anything yeah like his talent and ability can make up for like a bad Tactical Team decision like if you guys burn all your matches too early and there's like 6K to go and yeah Ted's alone he just attacks and run away yeah I think like I've noticed some like you know let's say when you're because we were so strong it was fighing Catalonia but I think um maybe on some races you know like especially gr tours where it's three week I've noticed some things that maybe we could do like just smarter you know just don't just go like full because at the end it's not going to matter for him because he he can win anyway um but for us like it's actually hard and we get more tired but yeah is um it's crazy like also you know in indos we used to when let's say we control the race we go we do a downhill we used to go like quite easy and there is just like P comes in the front passes us it was like one way down on the Val stage actually dropped dropped the S went like with four guys from the team and yeah it's just a different mentality just like yeah full gas every day Aqua Aqua Li is nice to have this Fresh Approach to to go for it every yeah every day really did you ride with FY whenever he won a grand tour uh no I never did I never did like I did ride with fan but yeah he was like recovering from the crash well so yeah no I never did like a race where he was GC either with banal or G you want a grand tour with either no actually no I was riding with caras when he was second I never w r with with well I was going to ask what were the differences between T and like G beral and I feel is yeah I I don't know I mean I don't know from from my my perspective like I I know Tani but just from being in the Pelon whenever I chat with him or he's always super friendly he's always super relaxed like nothing really seems to be a problem and he's always quite positive but I guess I could be pretty easy to be positive when you win any race you start yeah to be to be fair the these three guys they have similarities I have the feeling they they don't know their things so much you know yeah like that's probably what makes them also so good because they don't spend the this energy on like some [ __ ] really some or just some thoughts you know they're just thinking yeah exactly they just take it how it comes you know they are just relaxed like if some problems or like something it's not going like how they wanted or how they planned they just like oh whatever yeah they just take it and and they and they move forward they overanalyze something no they they don't they don't they just yeah they're just quite simple uh and yeah I think that this is one similarity I always say this Tre guys are but then yeah t is just I think it just did how easy he makes things look like it's just crazy I've never seen it actually is crazy yeah I again like I don't actually know I'm that well other than just speaking a little bit in the Pelon but the little bit that I have spoken to him I really like him and I think he's really good for the Sporter cycling yeah he's really good leader like you know even if I didn't feel great mentally that was a great week because at the end we W almost every stage and you know you it's almost like yeah you start a stage you know you're going to win was like it's a nice feeling because I had a similar feeling with uh Simon and Adam yat sometimes when we bring into the very beginning and then also with uh Sonic Kelli my first year in byon where you kind of knew that if you committed 100% And just delivered them to the right spot at the more or less the right time they're going to win they're probably going to win or they like if they didn't win they had a really really good chance of winning yeah yeah yeah it's a it's a really nice feeling when you can be part of part of that or like that it's such a it's easier to commit because it's the reward seems so close seems more likely whereas like if you don't have a rider like P or yonos or Primos or this sometimes just subconsciously I don't know it's just it's not quite as easy to go as deep yeah probably yes yeah yeah it's true it's like yeah you just you just know they going to deliver yeah but no it's just it's a big change for me but then is really different like then let's say I also IND right now and actually there we had several leaders because if you look at the depth of the team it's also crazy when you look at the depth of the team like When Ty is there he's the man like lone leader but then on the other race is actually the opposite we have many guys uh capable of winning and there is a little bit different tactic is like more about actually a lot of guys have their own chances you know um and just whoever has the best legs in the race yeah yeah yeah exactly and yeah it's actually also a nice feeling you know just maybe yeah attacking from far more like racing a bit more open than I used to do with [Music] indion now with UAE the big goal and maybe one of the reasons why you change teams was to do the Tour of France yeah yeah and that's now part of the build up now to go to the Tour of France with u yeah definitely so tour yeah um so yeah they're going to build already building really for the tour that's what the be the beig goal in mind this year um hopefully we can we can finish the jumo streak and now definitely especially T is trying to go for the double Duro tour this year so it's going to be interesting we do more training CS with t um he on that weird T program he maybe the last one before after do before tour there seems like he'd be a fun guy to have on training camp was he good in December camp or January Camp yeah yeah yeah he was yeah just good yeah it's just like honestly like how you see him like how people see him that's how he is he's a super simple guy like yeah like really humble and simple and yeah just yeah it's good to see you was like a CH like this they don't yeah do you think for example in catalunia the way or how good he is ruins the TV for the spectators a little bit for sure if I was a spectator I wouldn't I would be like okay now he goes and he wins cuz I I guess maybe we both have a different perspective here CU you're writing for him so him winning by so much is quite a nice feeling but then like our morale like it's quite like it's quite hard now to go to a race yeah think that you're capable of winning like already before we started Wilder Catalonia as a team we knew that would be really really hard to win because T was there yeah it's like yeah you almost trace for second place but you never know his bike racing at the end of the day you know everything can happen like he also blew on some races you know he's not Invincible we we've all seen this but yeah I think I agree with you sometimes for the it runs it but from our perspective at the same time it's like we're pulling hard all day we also want to win you know and if we can win one stage like I heard some like commentary commentaries about oh yeah but he could May UA maybe could give like away one stage yeah but why would we do that it's only one week I'm understanding a gr where you need to save the legs but like in one week okay maybe we're not making friends like this but can win I I wanted to bring this up as well cuz I also found this funny and we spoke about it in the in our team during World Catal we I don't get this comment like the the feedback that sometimes the spectators give like that oh UAE should not win this stage like they're getting greedy or something this I was like man if I had T's legs I'd want to win as much as possible like of course you want to win like that's why we do this the sport and yeah I find it strange that there seems to be this mentality from the spectators is that yeah to be true dominant is a bad thing but I also 100% get the perspective of you guys as the domestics for Ted you want to work hard so he wins and then if I had Ted's leak I'd also want to win every single day if I could yeah like it's a nice feeling yeah I I get why they think like this but you just have to take a step back and think yeah but it's a hard sport like I mean if you can win you you're not going to let it go like you have to go for it like especially on weak stage race I understand maybe on a ground tour maybe sometimes you have to save the legs because it's like game of attrition no but honest yeah it's like just go for it especially for him also like he's got a really strong team around him we can do the job and deliver him like pull the brake back or control the brakeway he doesn't have to do it but so yeah we yeah just yeah will you race with him again before the tour no cuz he does I don't know what he does but he does jro then nothing than tour or yes the yeah so you'll just see him again in altitude before no it was good I think to race with him before the tour at least to see how he races and how to work for him yeah yeah quite easy well no um actually when you think about it there's not so many races left before the tour no I was also thinking about this the other day where I potentially don't have that many races is left for the season like if you do two grand Tours yeah for example tour Welter yeah then maybe yeah you do maybe Romy maybe Dolph or maybe Swiss or something like this so you maybe only have three four maybe five if you do San Sebastian races yeah yeah yeah exactly but it's like 50 Race days yeah I was thinking the same is like yeah actually season is going to come come up by the end so fast like you know even like for some opportunities or if think okay ground tour there is a lot of them but you know he like yes and no especially when you're with a guy like Ted not working with him yeah but this is different you you work like you have like a team goal but yeah personal yeah personal results so maybe there not so many opportunities left yeah it's true it's true and like you say if you have something going wrong in the season and you're not at a level even you know if you're 80% you can do anything you just stare in the back and yeah maybe before it was different I guess it was a little bit different you could have like been less in the legs and still perform I can't I don't know I even when I from the moment I started season cycling has Chang well another season my career cycling has changed so much oh mely it's like so much more intense from the start yeah I also got bit of a road shock in uh TT under this year cuz the last time I did Twitter under was 2014 and 15 and it likely was very different back then was not as hard as it probably was uh the recent years well I mainly just wanted to talk about Catalia the new team and pogy and we sort of covered all that yeah so might wrap it up there sounds good yeah [Music] perfect I hope you enjoy this episode and if you have any more feedback or any ideas on who I could interview next or what subjects you'd like to have covered just let me know um Kay's always checking the Discord channel for escape Collective and I saw there was some nice feedback there from the first podcast that I did and basically I'm just going to try and keep improving as I go along hopefully as I get a few more guests on it'll get better and better [Music]