Reaction: Connor Stalions, Sign Stealer Documentary

Trent that's a weird way to come in no music I couldn't do it I couldn't play Pump It Up uh I don't know I I do have a little bit of a sound bite here something that should be familiar to you well I know the answer to that because he told me um yeah that was Conor on the sidelines how was Conor on the sidelines oh Connor on the sidelines Conor stallions uh welcome to everybody joining us on a uh impromptu uh Tuesday late afternoon show here uh we wanted to go live there's a couple reasons why I wanted to do this a I know we've got f l Wednesday coming up tomorrow I really didn't want to spend the entire hour talking about Conor stallions Trent you and I talked about this on Monday on our pre-recorded show I am like I just want to be done with it I want to be done with the conversation but obviously with the the documentary coming out today when you look at what the topic of conversation is in the college football world right now once again it's Conor stallions Michigan sign stealing all the BS the beauty of this trend is you and I watch this independently we didn't watch it together we didn't get on the couch we weren't sharing popcorn or anything you watched it on your own time I watched it on my own time we have not talked about it with each other yet so really this is our first opportunity to chop it up and sort of I don't know uh just on the Fly digest talk about share our thoughts you know and and I'm gonna throw it to you first because you're fresh off of watching it Trent so the documentary is here you sat back you invested an hour and a half of your life into this thing what were some of your takeaways before I begin I'm I'm kind of curious so I actually like you just said I just got done watching it about an hour and a half ago so for you when did you tune in like I know it dropped at 3:00 a.m. but I'm sure you weren't up at 3: am watching this documentary so when did you tune in I don't even know that I want to share that information I don't even know you up at 3: am watching the watching here's the thing I did have my alarm set for 3:00 a.m. because I thought okay we know we got to get prepared for it we got to have content ready for it once this thing comes out and then I had that set for about 20 minutes and then I turned the alarm off I'm like nah screw that uh I'll wait until the morning but I did wake up at like 5: in the morning throw it on the TV my daughter was like sleeping in bed next to me I'm like we'll just watch it right now my wife came in she's like what the hell are you you know the whole sleep schedule screwed up with the kids back to school she's like oh is is this the thing are you watching the thing I'm like yes this is the thing so there I was 5 in the morning in my underwear laying in bed Conor stallions on my television just everywhere I thought I would be on Tuesday of game week heading into Fresno State so that's how I watched it so okay let's let's get to the documentary dude there's a lot to digest here about me I prefer any of our viewers even want to think about you in your bed watching fair enough fair enough Conor Stallions at there may be one or two so as I predicted I don't think there were there was any bombshell just out of this world information shared however I thought it was very interesting to watch and I I was pretty glued to it the entire time I mean Connor himself we really didn't get the inside information like I was hoping as to why he did what yes I was on my and and Dana by the way she wanted me to share this that she thinks that it was all overblown like after watching this documentary it was just all overblown and um so that's what Mrs N has to say about about the situation overblown so again yeah there was nothing out this world shared um himself I think it was interesting how he got started he went into to the Navy's coach's office was like hey can I can I do this and they're like yeah you know let let's go to the offensive coordinator and then it was like okay well you could decipher signals this the amount of work that he did to get started is phenomenal like the dude literally is a genius when it comes to deciphering signals obviously as to what he did or according to him he can't remember if he did or didn't do is definitely that gray area that we've been talking about um I thought it was interesting that nobody within the Big 10 or sorry Michigan or the NCAA even wanted to talk to Connor about it when it all went down like it's Accord according to Connor San himself he was like I all this stuff happened Michigan I believe Michigan came in was like hey did you see all the articles in the news and he's like yeah they take all his stuff they send him packing and then it's like for the longest time nobody even wanted to talk to him about it which I thought was phenomenally weird like this dude is at the center of everything and then all of a sudden we don't even want to talk to you about it which further vindicates what I think is the whole Jim Harbaugh NCA hey this is a reason to go after Jim Harbaugh we have this Conor stallions guy at the center of it but who cares about him like this is all about all about Harbaugh and Michigan anyway I also thought it was interesting that they released the NCA meeting with Conor salion on Zoom kind of goes to the third party situation um obviously there's a lot of people online who are kind of finger pointing at Ohio State Ryan Day his brother um and Conor San's lawyer kind of straight out asked about it like do you guys know who who intercepted this from his computer and the NCA the speaker for the NCA kind of stuttered and they're like uh uh uh we we're not going to release any of that information right now so I'm not saying that it's anybody associated with Ohio state but I thought that was extremely interesting uh of that I I'm kind of rambling on right now so I'm Gonna Let You Go and I'm GNA just kind of parse through after that just I'm just you know like I said we go live here we don't plan on it we haven't talked about it I'm just letting you roll Tren I'm letting you take over the show here I'm enjoying it yeah I don't know this is this is kind of how I sat back and watched the whole damn thing just like this except no shirt on just in my underwear like I said um ah it's just so damn stupid and the documentary itself as expected didn't really get to the heart of the things that we were hoping to learn that people want to learn the heart of you know what's at the heart of the NCAA investigation we didn't really learn much we know what the NCA is going after uh but in terms of listen I want to be careful here because I am not an advocate for the NCAA in no way shape or form am I like an NCAA fan but after watching this documentary I feel like I I can see a little bit of why the NCAA is extremely frustrated with Michigan if dealing with Michigan is anything like what it was like to watch Conor stallion on this documentary I get it so what I did is I just went through and I listed a few takeaways that I had from the doc because I had to I had to try to organize it Tren I had to try to get my thoughts together I was yelling it's 5 in the morning I'm screaming at the TV my daughter's still sleeping I'm like screw you Conor stallions there was just thing issues that I had number one I mean let's just right out of the gate Conor stallions is a Super Fan he is the biggest Michigan football fan in the world there may be some that are on his level but there is no bigger Michigan football fan than Conor stallion Conor stallions is a a pretty smart guy now you know being smart like analytically and being smart and how you go about your business those are a couple different things there but Smart in terms of the way that he studied the game approached the game collected information collected data he might be a little bit insane right but some of the people that are really good at what they do they are borderline insane and I think you can look to Jim Harbaugh as a perfect example of that I'm a big Jim Harbaugh fan I think he is a phenomenal head football coach but you can't tell me that there's not a little part of you when you're talking with him or interacting with him that thinks this guy might be a little crazy and that's part of what makes it so fun to cover him so right out of the gate let's just get that established Conor stallions they showed the whole background you know the Naval Academy I mean even before that in his childhood he's like dressed up as Bo shm Beckler his family they were all Michigan people like this was his Destiny to one day get on the coaching staff at the University of Michigan and he accomplished that goal I do think it's a little strange right he walks into the he's at the Naval Academy he walks into like the coach's office and just says Hey I want to help and they sort of just walk into a room and say hey here you go you can help oh he he takes the weekend and goes to a coach's clinic in an arbor and in between speaking uh in between speakers he walks up to Chris Partridge who's the linebacker coach at the University of Michigan and says hey I'd like to help out and and Partridge just says all right yeah show up on Monday is that that how easy it is to get a job working for the Michigan football program you just approach a coach somewhere and say hey I'd like to help out and they say yeah sure show up we'll find something for you so I thought all of that was pretty damn strange but with all of those things aside let's get to and again there was very little substance I think in this documentary there was a lot of insinuation a lot of speculation but there really wasn't much of substance that I found in the documentary number one right out of out of the gate here's my first note Conor stallions is a liar the guy is a liar he is very clearly lying he's lying about the tickets about the sign stealing scheme he's clearly lying about the central Michigan stuff we talked about this on Monday Trent I didn't think they were even going to bring it up on the documentary you said you thought they would it turns out did they bring it up yes did we get an answer from Conor stallions I don't know I mean you tell me Trent when they handed that picture I can tell you the answer he doesn't recall okay I have an issue with that Trent this is a guy who has like a 1,000 page Manifesto which he went through which was you know we didn't get to see all of it but even the little bit that we saw was impressive I mean he pulled up like an interactive map of recruits over the last like 10 or 15 years across the country where they're from where they got drafted all this I mean this guy was extremely detailed he had quotes and he had notes and he had different analytics and all these things you mean to tell me that he can't recall whether or not he would have been dressed in Disguise on the sideline of that part of his brain just sort of malfunctioned and he can't remember that part A guy who's that detailed Trent I'm not bu I mean you saw it when he when he was handed the picture he did this thing that I've talked to you about it's this sort of I'm Gonna Act Like a smartass a little bit I'm going to play up this sort of mysterious figure thing he holds up the picture and he looks at it and says I don't even think this guy looks anything like me with a smile that was one of the points in this documentary where I was like okay this is not a serious thing this is not a guy who's to be taken seriously Trent when you saw that were you disappointed in the response do you think maybe that should have been handled a different way or did you do you enjoy the sort of a cat and mouse game that that Conor stallion seems to be embracing well no I don't exactly enjoy it but it's it's exactly what I thought was going to happen I thought that they would bring it up I thought they would ask him about it we talked about it on Monday's podcast but I didn't think that he would go into detail about why he was there what he was doing there how he got even got onto the sideline because then it it's going to bring Central Michigan into it even much much further than what it what they are already involved with and I me personally I didn't think Connor was going to get Michigan more in trouble and I didn't think he was going to do anything to get central Michigan more in trouble than what they already in so no like it didn't surprise me whatsoever it kind of shocked me when he's talking to when he was talking to the NCAA during the zoom meeting that he did say that well I don't recall a specific time that I was on the sideline for that game or or at that game I should say that kind of shocked me because yeah I mean clearly that was him on the sideline uh Dave P poroy from ball or bar stole even said like yeah yeah he he told me like yeah man like he he was there like he told me that so clearly that was Conor stallion on on the sideline did does it shock me the way he answered it no did it shock me that he said he doesn't recall to the NCA yeah kind of like that that part kind of shocks me I mean he's a liar he's lying we we know he was on the sideline he knows he was on the sideline he was cute with it in the documentary but then when faced with the question from the NCAA which again I'm not advocating for the NCAA but they asked him point blank are you there and for a guy like that who's that detailed who goes into that level of thought about everything he does to just sit back and say I can't recall I just think it's a little bit ridiculous and so to me it's that disingenuous it's that he's not willing to tell the truth that I think it might be fun for a documentary it might be fun for people on social media to Banter about and go back and forth I just don't think it's a great look for the Michigan football program and I think this is part of what's at the heart of the issue is this lack of transparency this lack of honesty coming from Folks at Michigan about what exactly happened here and so okay so we'll start there we know he's lying about the the the ticketing scheme we know he's lying about not being on the sideline um let's go to the the second part of this this other note that I had here why did he do it this is another question I have why would Conor stallions do it and if you listen to him by his own admission right right he said something to the effect of he said you know I don't need video from people in the stands he compared it to like that receiving a gift from your Aunt of something that you already have right he's like you know it's nice to get it you're not going to be rude you say thank you or whatever but I didn't need it I already had the signs I already decoded everything he says he doesn't need it so why are you paying people to go to these games on your behalf if you're also turning around and saying it's not necessary Trent help me understand help me get in I know it's this is a weird scary place but help me get into the mind of Conor stallions if your stance is that it's unnecessary that you don't need video from people then why are you paying not just for the tickets but for the travel costs for individuals to go to these games on your behalf and record them what what's the thought process there yeah I thought that part was was interesting and obviously like we've already kind of talked about Connor stallion was not being fully honest in this documentary and I and obviously if he's okay let's just talk about the tickets first so he was saying that he made a bunch of money a profit by buying and selling these tickets to other games first off why are you buying and selling tickets to a Clemson Ohio State game like why as a Michigan coach why are you even attempting to buy tickets and then sell them like granted I realize there probably could be a profit made in that but why are you even going about doing that well this is why Trent right here I mean Joe from the Facebook page says it these are just gifts because he couldn't he's a kind guy he he wants to buy and I mean he's not what he said he doesn't want to put you up in the nose B Trent he wants to put you down first row 50 yard line at Premier G this is a this is a kind guy I think maybe he's just looking out for the greater good no you're not buying into that not not exactly I mean I I think he was he was more than willing to give these tickets to his friends and family that that might record video evidence of what the sidelines were doing I but past the tickets just talking about the video surveillance and stuff like that I do think it's fascinating and I do believe him on this that the every school has someone like a Conor San where on Sundays they will call each other and give give signs away that for example Michigan plays ruter well I'm gonna call Indiana I'm going to call their Conor stallions and talk about it what what Ruckers might be doing since we we just kind of playing them so I thought that was fascinating and again I do believe that is part of of what they do so you have that you have the film like he was saying that he used is is what he said that he uses the film that they get to study the signs signs and signals of the other team sideline so yeah so if you have all of this at your disposal why do you need to buy tickets and send your friends and family to the opposing games or opposing Team Sidelines to to look at it I clearly he was using it clearly that it was a lie so to answer your question I can't get into Connor stallion's mind to figure it out because it was clearly a lie yeah once again like another thing that he was lying about which I just you know I have to imagine he saw this thing before it came out right this wasn't his first time watching it I just don't know how he thought this was a good look for him because in multiple instances you can see he's not being truthful um especially for a guy who prides himself on being so detailed and I go back to that interaction that he had with the NCAA investigators right which I I am blown away that they put that footage uh in the documentary because there's not a chance in hell that the NCAA approved that I don't think the NCAA was any part of this documentary in any way shape or form but to see this sort of virtual discussion back and forth between stallions and his lawyers and NCAA investigators not only did they ask him were you on the sideline of the central Michigan game which he couldn't recall if he was there odd stance to take they also asked him specifically about you know did you instruct people to go to these games on your behalf did you instruct people to take video on your behalf was there any sort of Video Exchange he said he never instructed anybody to do anything but that there were some people that went to games on the tickets that he sold them or gave them that sent him video but the funny part about that Trent is that he couldn't recall who those people were so now I'm supposed to believe that you're selling somebody or giving somebody a ticket those people are going to the game sitting in your seat turning around and sending you video footage from the game and you don't recall who they are you have no recollection of that a guy who's that detailed Trent are you buying that he admitted he received video right from the people who attended the games on his behalf or sat in his seat but he couldn't remember who it was you buying that no once again I don't think that that's entirely true either I'm sure he had I mean what was in the initial report he had like 15 20 people that he would vast Network yeah vast Network I thought I thought there was like a more detailed number at some point in time I was think it was like 15 20 people that he he used to go to these games but yeah I mean his mom was one his friend Zach on the on the film was one of them and and you know and and to be fair maybe he didn't exactly go hey here's this ticket I want you to film the entire game for me I want you to send me all the film it could have been a hey here's this ticket to a game if you would choose to send me some film or something you know I mean it wouldn't hurt type of thing like so maybe he didn't NE but he didn't need it by his own admission right right he didn't need it but maybe maybe that's how he didn't exactly Direct so maybe that wasn't an actual lie I don't know the whole thing the whole thing's extremely um ah man there was a lot of BS in this thing that's for sure but at the end of the day it was definitely it was interesting it was interesting it was you know somewhat entertaining only because you know this guy has been sort of this mysterious figure for the last 10 11 months right we haven't heard anything from him now all of a sudden here he is on your television set basically going through here's the manifesto I'm not going to give you all of it here's a little bit and kind of you know there's this network I got plugged into and this happens all around college football and you know being cute about the central Michigan stuff and not giving straightforward answers to the NCAA when he's clearly lying I mean we all know that he wasn't being truthful so once again I go back to I know he saw this before it was released I can't imagine that he would think that this would paint him in a good light and more importantly how this would paint the University of Michigan in a good light because where where I am now as not just somebody who covers the program but as a fan I said this right at the very beginning if this is what the NCAA has had to deal with in terms of what it's like communicating with people on Michigan side how how forthcoming they are with information what the strategy is here I would be pretty irritated too because it doesn't sound like anybody wants to give a straightforward answer I mean I know Grant Newsome came forward on um eventually came forward on the recruiting violation stuff but Jim Harbaugh by all accounts was very stubborn same thing couldn't recall didn't remember it wasn't until he was faced with a receipt that oh yep I guess I was there you can tell him I was there sort of thing and so maybe this is Michigan's approach just deny deny deny we're not get to admit to anything until we get caught red-handed which it does sound like I mean is Conor stallion outside of the central Michigan thing do they have him caught red-handed in the building no but Dan Wetzel of Yahoo sports very plainly said like I went and you through an foa sort of form I I reached out to these different programs and the security footage shows somebody sitting in the seat that Connor stallions purchased holding a cell phone recording the whole time in all of these different instances so I just think this whole and I saw somebody bring it up plausible deniability just deny deny deny is that really what we want to do is that the best look because to me all that strategy does is drag the process out longer than it needs to be and quite honestly I think it's part of what's going to contribute to the punishment being harsher than it needs to be because nobody from Michigan side seems to want to fess up or admit to anything Trent how much I guess validity do you give to that like if this was a window or insight into what it's been like between the NCAA and the University of Michigan do you think that this type of conduct is going to have a positive negative impact on what the ultimate decision is from the NCAA in terms of a punishment moving forward I mean I'm sure ultimately it's going to be more negative than it will be positive if Jim Harbaugh or Conor stallions or Michigan itself would have just came out and said hey here's what we did here's our phones here's our computers do whatever you want to do look through it we'll answer any questions you want we'll be completely honest but I don't think that's real life I feel like we're we're talking about this because it's Michigan and we're we're we're in the no because it's Michigan we're covering the team but I feel like if you look at any program that's been investigated from the NCA I feel like the big reason that it just goes on and on and on and on for investigations is because nobody wants to be completely honest with what they did example uh recently Kirk fence from Iowa he suspended the first game because of illegally contacting Kade mcamera out of the transfer portal I get those are two completely different things but that happened two years ago and they're just now getting solution I'm fairly certain Kirk fence probably didn't walk up to the NCAA when they first asked him about it and said yeah I did it like you know I I went out and contacted Michigan's quarterback to come be my quarterback like I'm sure it didn't happen that way I'm sure Iowa had their defense I'm sure Kirk fence had his defense But ultimately the NCA won over and he suspended one game I just I think this is probably a norm for for every school and how the NCA handles everything they're probably used to it granted it's Jim Harbaugh we know how Jim Harbaugh is uh Michigan kind of has their way about things as well and I'm sure it's not helping situation but I really don't think this is out of the norm at all yeah I you know I agree with you and and Bobby from the Facebook page the problem is the the NCAA broke some of their own rules with the leaks I mean look once again nobody is going to bat for the NCAA it's a trash organization and they deserve everything they get from a negative standpoint and they're probably not going to be around in the next two to three years and so it's an irrelevant organization but I think two things can be true at the same time the NCAA is trash and Connor stallion broke some rules right 1161 I think is the bylaw that clearly states you cannot do any sort of inperson Advan scouting of an opponent when you play that opponent in the same season and so two things can be true at once this doesn't necessarily mean that we're advocates for the NCAA but Josh from the Facebook page he says if nothing was actually done then why confess to something you didn't do just to take the heat off I'm guessing by the profile picture here Josh you're you're you're you're talking about Conor stallions uh I don't know does anybody believe Connor stallions didn't do anything wrong at this point I mean I know that there's some super fans out there that probably believe that but Trent I mean we've pretty much established that he did some things wrong right like not I'm not saying everything was wrong but he definitely crossed the line and did some things he wasn't supposed to do are we in agreement on that yeah I mean he I think he definitely crossed a line and I I actually want to talk about this a little bit earlier when we were talking about sending people to games you know at the end of the documentary he was he was 100% confident when he said that he believes that he didn't break any rules that he he exploits them and I think that that is where the gray area is with how the NCA worded their their rulings on on different things The in-person Scouting he was not at the games other than we we know he was at one okay we know that he was at Central Michigan and Michigan State other other than that there's been no evidence or proof that he was at any of these games that he bought tickets for he sent family friends whoever to these games and I think that's where the gray area really is I mean it according to the NCAA roles you as a coach or staff member cannot go and Scout these games there's nothing to be said though of you Chris that you say you want to go watch Penn State in Ohio State well you you cover Michigan we all could DM coaches if we wanted to I mean what's stopping you from going to the game and taking a 15minute recording of Ohio State Seline send it to shr Moore via DM and be like hey man if you want to look at this go for it the NCAA can't they can't punish Michigan for because you wanted to send them evidence of or send them footage of Ohio State of their Sidelines I think that's where this thing's really intriguing because by definition of the rules I don't know that Connor stallions truly broke it because he wasn't there himself he was sending people there and and obviously with Michigan not being forthcoming I think it's just kind of made a ripple effect of the whole of the whole situation I think you make a good point and I do you know obviously that was one of the the the able quotes from the documentary which was Conor stallion saying you know like am I a good guy am I a bad guy I don't know I I live in the gray area did I break the rules no I exploit the rules sort of thing like and and I get what you're saying that there there does seem to be some gray area there and I guess I I would respond to what you said in a couple ways one if if that is the case if you are living in the gray area if you are sort of exploiting you know this loophole in in a rule that doesn't really specify whether or not what you're doing is okay or not why lie about it why not be straightforward why not just come out and say like look this is what bylaw 1161 says it says this it doesn't say I can't do that and because we already know that stealing signs is part of the college football game to me if there's no rule that says you can't do what you're doing there's no reason to hide that you're doing it so I think that when you take that approach it makes it seem like anytime you act like you've got something to hide it says to me that you know what you're doing you shouldn't be doing right otherwise there's no reason to lie about it you're just transparent right like if I go to the store and I pick up a a Diet Coke and I come home and my wife says where were you I'm gonna say I went up to the store and got a Diet Coke now if I say I'm going to get a Diet Coke and I go out and have some sort of Affair or whatever and she ask me I'm probably not going to be straightforward with that right probably a bad analogy hope she's not probably is I'm gonna lie to my wife you can never go get a Diet Coke again in your life I'll never be able to go to the store and get Diet Coke but you get what I'm saying right like if you're actually not doing anything wrong you don't think you're doing anything wrong there's no reason to lie about it and so this whole pattern of dishonesty is something that I take issue with because to me the dishonesty says we knew what we were doing wasn't right when you go and stand on the sideline at Central Michigan in a disguise you do that because you know you're not supposed to be where you're at and so this whole thing of like I live in the gray area and I push the boundaries and I you know this this whole deal like I found that to be very irritating and I go back to what I said before I find it to be irritating because Connor stallions himself right if he and let's not forget the guy from The Washington Post regardless of what you think of him or or his part in this whole thing you know he said that what this investigation uncovered was essentially a spreadsheet from Conor stallion's computer that had a list of games a list of names who was attending what so it wasn't like an on the-fly like Hey Joe what are you doing this weekend oh you got nothing going on why don't you go take in uh you know Georgia Alabama or something like that right this was a detailed plan on who was going to be where obviously the tickets were expensive it needed to be funded somehow but Connor stallion himself said that none of that was necessary I didn't need video from people I already had the signs I already decoded it it was sort of a yeah hey thanks but I don't really need it sort of thing I just didn't want to be rude by outright refusing it and so if that's truly where he stood on it then why do it that's the whole thing and the only reason you do that Trent is because you're so damn arrogant that you think you can exploit a rule that you think you are smarter than the system that you are willing to push the boundaries that put your own personal Ambitions above what is best for the team what is best for the program and I think that that's what happened here ultimately Trent that's I guess my biggest takeaway from this documentary and listening to Conor stallions is that at the end of it he knew he wasn't supposed to be doing what he was doing right he thought he was smart enough to exploit a loophole but he doesn't want to be honest about how he did it and why he did it and the reason you don't want to be honest is because you know you weren't supposed to be doing it and when you combine that with the fact that he himself said that whatever was being done wasn't necessary and on top of that at the very end of the documentary saying by the way I wouldn't change a thing like are you kidding me you wouldn't change a thing there is a dark cloud hanging over Michigan's National Championship run Jim Harbaugh is no longer in an arbor he had to serve a three game suspension at the end of the year your ability to even Coach Connor Stallions at any level Collegiate level is in Jeopardy they want to impose a three-year ban he says he's going to fight it you wouldn't change anything you wouldn't do anything differently so I guess when I sit back and I watch the hour and a half long thing overall to me the the documentary was a joke I thought it was interesting that we got to see the exchange between Connor and the NCAA but the rest of it was speculation like oh this LLC here and who was the investigative firm that dug it up and blah blah blah and and you know Ryan day's brother and all this other [ __ ] like I don't care about that right I think it's interesting if it comes to find out that you know somebody associated with Ohio state had something to do with it sure let's explore that and let's talk about it but the guy from The Washington Post I think articulated it well which was at that point it doesn't matter because what's happening with the NCAA is not a civil matter it's not a legal matter the NCAA has the evidence it has now they're going to determine what they want to do with it they don't care how that information was gathered and that's not really any of their business po Point Blank they have the information they know something was happening that investigation is well underway now so overall man like like I think we wanted to get some answers on things like why were you sending people why were you at Central M or at you know Michigan State on Central sideline like what was what was the line of thinking there here maybe a little bit of remorse a little bit of regret and I just didn't really get that from Conor Stallions at all to me he wanted to spend most of this painting himself out to be as a victim somebody who does the same thing that everybody else is doing he's just better at it and he was treated unfairly but at the end of it you know he sort of pumps up his chest and I live in the gray area I exploit the law I don't break the rules I exploit the rules and I don't regret anything to me it was just such a bad look and um again I'll say what I said on Monday and Conor St started out the documentary this way reciting that Bo shm Beckler speech the team the team the team you get after you know you finish up the hour and a half watching this documentary what to you screams that Conor stallions was about the team versus being about himself because to me it felt more like Conor stallions was trying to do anything he could to put himself in a good position maybe the Phantom cross path there and he wasn't thinking I don't know man I don't know what went into it all I know is that he certainly crossed the line and he doesn't seem remor remorseful for it other other than the fact that he got caught and maybe some other people got caught up in it I think we can both agree it I I know we can both agree that he was not being truthful in multiple areas in this documentary like we know we know that he knows who he sent to games we know we know that he knows that he used the footage that was sent to him among other things just like the central Michigan sideline like we know we know that he knows that he remembers being there type of situation with that being said though if you take a step back like don't try to bring the Michigan emotions involved to it but Conor stallion the way he got brought into coaching go be in a Navy for example very first day he goes into the office hey can I be on can I be a coach sure let's go talk to our offensive coordinator hey you're GNA decipher signals he becomes really good at it so then he goes to Michigan he's still really good at it and by the 2022 season I think it was when or 21 season he was actually hired on staff 2021 2021 okay by that time I'm sure that there's been some stuff rolling around uh that when the sending people to games so on so forth but with how the NCA rules are written he himself was not going to the games he's sending other people there so with that being said like do you see it being a possibility that he truly believes himself that he didn't actually break any rules like that that's why he doesn't regret doing what he did because he followed he followed the rules no I don't because if that's truly what you think then you're just honest then you're just honest about it right like if you don't think you did anything wrong then just be honest about it but he's not honest about that he's not honest about what happened at Central Michigan and to a certain extent he seems to enjoy that that cat and mouse game same thing he talked about you know with the signs you know it's a cat and- Mouse game and whoever gives their signs first you're the mouse you know and how can we be the cat like to him it's all sort of a a war win or lose sort of thing and so I don't think he's thinking of it as like I don't know maybe I live in too much of an idealistic world right where you get caught there's some [ __ ] that happens you just say look I screwed up like I didn't think that what I was doing was wrong but if there's some sort of punishment involved like let me know and we'll figure it out but here's why I did it because I looked at this bylaw here's how it reads and based on what I was doing I didn't think that there was any sort of issue with that I think that if that had been the approach from Conor stallions and from you know maybe to an extent Jim Harbaugh and from Michigan as a whole maybe we're not even here you know what I mean maybe we're not even at this point where this thing has become such a it's like reading a comic book it's like watching a movie I mean [ __ ] we did watch a movie an hour and a half long right I just think if there was some honesty upfront about what happened and why you did it and if you truly didn't think you were doing anything wrong then just say that just be upfront about it but instead of that it's been all this [ __ ] and it's really just created this narrative that won't seem to go away once again we're sitting here talking about it it's going to be the topic of today probably tomorrow and then eventually we'll get to Friday you know and start talking about the football game but we talked about this on Monday right we know that the NCAA any sort of punishment they hand out this process is not going to go away anytime soon any punishment that Michigan faces likely is going to come sometime in the 2025 season right it seems highly unlikely we'll see anything happen this year which means it's another year of wondering and waiting and you know watching what's going to happen with this when in reality I think it could have just gone away pretty quickly had people been honest and upfront about what happened all right so here's my next question with him not being fully honest in the documentary so as of now like I we all know that's Conor stallions on on the sideline but there I don't think there's actually been any physical proof that the NCA has that is 100% Connor stallions on the sideline also with sending people to games the NCAA has been trying to connect Michigan to to that obviously we know that Conor stallion he admitted to it but if Conor stallion is 100% truthful with everything that he did does that possibly tarnish Michigan even more than what what it already is because maybe stallions leaks some more information that the NCA doesn't have like evidence well there's their evidence if if if stallions tells the NCAA everything they want to know does that possibly hurt Michigan in the future so like maybe maybe he's saving Michigan's butt per se by by not being completely honest but then doesn't that tell you everything you need to know if if the best policy is to lie about what you did because honesty would would be even worse like doesn't that really say everything you need to know like I get what you're saying but to me it's we go back to this whole thing like you asked me maybe there was a chance that Connor really didn't think what he was doing was wrong and so if that's the case and and at some point you find out along the way oh [ __ ] I'm under investigation for this and they want to talk to you about it maybe that's when you just say like yeah this is what I was doing I didn't realize I was doing anything wrong I just again man I dude I got a a daughter in first grade a son in fourth grade I tell them all the time like just be honest with me like if you lie to me I'm going to get pissed off but if you're honest with me we can figure it out we can work it out and and that's always the best path Travis from the Facebook page says he could have been on CMU sideline but nobody has actual proof that he was if your proof is some photo that looks similar which is a stretch then that's pretty sad uh Travis look man I don't know what to I don't know what to do here to help you I think 99.9% % of the population that pays attention to college football whether you're a Michigan fan or not you know that was Conor stallions on the sideline if you watch the documentary the way that he even responded to the photo that told you everything that you need to know and then oh by the way Dave pornoy take that for whatever it's worth He said yeah he told me it was him on the sideline it was him on the side I mean [ __ ] I can give it to you right here here well I know he answer that because he told me um yeah that was Connor on the sidelines Conor on the sidelines Conor on the sidelines that was Conor on the sidelines so it's not just me over here speculating from some like screenshot that I saw online you have people saying Connor told me that he was on the sidelines and to be quite honest and I've said this on the show before I had people tell me that Connor admitted to being on the sidelines it just wasn't appropriate to say it at the time so I don't really think I mean listen there's a lot that you can debate about what's right and what's wrong and you know the NCAA this and and how things are playing out this is not a hill that I would die on because that was Connor stallions on the sideline I I don't think anybody's arguing that at this point Kevin from the Facebook page he says why not just be honest in quotes wow you think authorities care the NCAA isn't yours or anyone's friend Kevin I agree with you I'm not saying that they are which is even more reason why I think you should be honest because it's clear that the NCAA is not letting this go even if they're not getting honesty from Connor stallions or they're not getting straight forward answers from Jim Harbaugh look at what happened with the recruiting violations from 2020 he got a what a a four-year show cause how what was that what was the whole I mean he's banned from college football for four years we just saw a running backs coach who had uh who was it Demarcus I forget what his last name is Marcus Murray yeah Murray from Oklahoma right I don't know how many like 60 something text messages with 17 different recruits he got a one game suspension because I think Oklahoma self-reported it right there was a little bit of honesty up front there maybe so that's my whole point is that it's clear the NCAA has no interest in going away or letting this thing go and so to me honesty would always be the best policy in this in this instance but you know clearly some people disagree I mean they they like the hold middle finger to the NCAA don't give them anything don't say anything my argument to that would be how how much has that helped the program has that really done a lot of good things for the program over the last 10 months and and my my answer to that would be no but clearly people think differently and I fully agree with you I I've always believed honesty is the best policy but being realistic about the situation again we're just diving into this because it's Michigan like Tennessee was just in trouble uh last season there there's all kinds of programs that are constantly getting under going under NCAA investigation and I would bet a lot of money on it that the process is probably identical to what's going on with Michigan like they're going to have their case they're going to have their defense they're not going to say they're not going to say yes to what they did wrong until the NCAA gets that hard proof and like okay here it is like Jim Harbaugh we have a receipt of you buying a cheeseburger when these recruits were there like until that comes to fruition everyone's going going to say I don't recall or I can't remember or no I wasn't there until that that proof is presented to them yeah and I mean I'm I am certainly people appreciate your more realistic view of the situation compared to mine we've got Brandon from the Facebook page who says sorry Chris but have you learned nothing from dealing with the NC no I've never dealt with the NCAA I haven't learned anything uh there but honesty doesn't buy you any favor that's willful ignorance Connor did wrong he knows it everyone else knows it but there is nothing to gain by admitting it I don't know I don't know what to do with that I don't know what to do with that because you're basically just saying yeah he lied he did wrong he knows it everybody knows it but just keep lying because honesty is not going to get you anywhere I I I don't know again like I said maybe I'm too idealistic maybe I just don't understand how the I'm just a 40-year-old dad like living in my own bubble here I don't know how the real world works but there seems to be a lot of people that are advocating for this whole sort of just keep lying because you're not going to gain anything by being truthful anyway I have a real hard time with that stance particularly from people associated with a university that are leaders and best and we do things the right way and Jim Harbaugh being quoted it's hard to beat the liars and the cheaters Brandon I mean the consequence of what you're saying there is you're essentially saying we're just like everybody else we're no better than everybody else and if you want to play in that sandbox that's fine I can get down with that I've told I've talked about this before like throw a bag to somebody you know all the dirty tricks with recruiting I don't care bring some sort of elite five-star quarterback here with a rap sheet who can't passes classes but he's incredible on Saturdays do whatever you have to do but when I was making that push everybody no that's not the Michigan way and remember when Michigan was getting their asses kicked by Ohio State left and right it's like well we do things the right way our players have to go to class we don't cheat we don't lie Brandon that stance that's kind of counterproductive and uh counter to everything that Michigan claims it stands for Trent I mean what do you have to say about that there's nothing to gain by being honest so just lie I mean once again I don't I don't endorse that like I don't think that you should lie about being in the wrong like yeah I think you're right I think if Michigan would have came out and I I say Michigan but Conor stallions if Connor stallions would have came out and been forthright and honest I'm guessing this whole thing would probably be basically over by now and I think we would have known what would have happened but realistically it's just it's just not what happens like again like these teams have their defense they're they're gonna they're G to put their foot in the sand and be like okay here's our stance on it and we're not budging and that's exactly what that's exactly what Conor stallions and and Michigan is doing right now like they they have their foot in the sand they have their stance they've had it since last season and they're not budging on it yeah I mean again Travis like no my proof is not barstable uh like that was clearly clearly just look that that that is Conor stallions on the side Travis you can you can die on this hill if you want I mean it's going to be a lonely Hill to die on because the vast majority of people understand what they saw including Conor stallion himself but I'm I'm not gonna have that debate with you uh let's go through a couple more here before we hop off because I am over it I've seen a lot of the people want to talk about that bro Hyo guy what what you think of him what what are your thoughts when you saw bro Hyo uh on your screen who uh you know in the get up there he had the face mask and the sunglasses on he's apparently some sort of Message Board Warrior sleuth detective type gu connecting the dots I mean this is who's leading the charge down in Columbus this is who's putting together the pieces I mean I didn't know what to think I'm like who like who is this guy why is he hiding his face like most people wouldn't take all credit for what they're doing and if he was truly the the ring leader putting the pieces together and this and that like wouldn't you think you want to rip that mask off me like here I am follow me on follow me on Twitter follow me on or add me on Facebook here's my here's my IG account like follow me everywhere instead like he's he's hiding behind that mask I thought that was absolutely wild yeah I I don't even really know how to answer the whole bro thing I mean I think it's just so on brand for the story so on brand for Ohio State in general like it just all made sense to me as I was watching it I was it's just here's another unserious element uh of this documentary Jonathan from the Facebook page he says it's one thing to outright lie it's another thing to be smart especially if you look at this through a Judicial perspective which it's not by the way but he says you don't just roll over and plead guilty you go through the process answer like a smart lawyer I mean look Jonathan I can push back on that all I want but like it worked pretty well for OJ right I mean you know we all know what happened there but it worked pretty well turned out good for him in the end and so yeah I you know I I don't really have a good argument for you know for people who are advocating for being dishonest when you think it can get you off or there's nothing to gain by being honest I just I don't know man that's just kind of the world that I live in where I think if you try to lie and you try to drag things out to me that's why we are where we're at today because there wasn't honesty up front that's not to say that the NCAA wouldn't have tried to do something or that there still wouldn't have been some sort of punishment handed down I just don't think it would have become everything it became I mean let me ask you this Trent how less interesting is this story if when news breaks you know let's say a day two days after Conor stallions resigned slf fired whatever you want to believe about what happened there with the University of Michigan he does some sort of interview with local media and he says here's what happened yeah I paid people to go and Scout Games here was the NCAA bylaw based on what it said I thought I was well within the rules to be able to do that it turns out I may have been wrong and so I'll have to come to terms with that and figure out what that means um the central Michigan thing like yes that was me on the sideline I was helping out Central I was doing you know let's just say he took that route how less interesting do you think that story would have been over the last 10 months um much much less interesting I guarantee you there's not a Netflix documentary about it like if this story if this story would have been over two weeks after it broke because Conor has has his uh his meeting I think it's probably about over like obviously you still have to go through the NCA investigation you still have to hear what they have to say but with everything that's transpired since I definitely don't think it would have been where we're at today that's for sure I mean if the glove doesn't fit you must equit and uh I guess we'll find out in the coming days whether or not the glove fits for Conor stallion but uh yeah you know what CJ you're right how dare I I you know I shouldn't be thinking rational I shouldn't be approaching this as a sane person I should just holy [ __ ] I was my microphone here I should just join the cult I should just you know put on the Maze and blue glasses middle finger to the NCAA screw everybody Conor stallions is a hero Michigan Wolverines are national champions everybody else can go to hell maybe that should be the stance that I take I just look nothing that happens with this with Conor stallions with the NCAA whatever it is they choose to do in the future none of that is going to take away from the enjoyment I had over the last three years nothing is going to rob me of that those are experiences that I had that I'll carry with me for the rest of my life but when we talk about this instance in particular free stallions stallions the goat yeah I see it it's not a cult it's I mean Jen let's be real here I you know I I love Michigan fans there's a lot of them in here it's not a it's not all common sense among this group like let's just you know let's just be real about that there's some common sense in here and we can disagree and we can come at it from a different perspective but there's some people that are just really embracing this and enjoying it and I think that that's uh I think it's a bad look for the football program I think it's a bad look for Conor stallions I think it's a bad look for the whole thing overall but that's just me uh CJ says let's inject some Joy back into this we got football on Saturday let's leave it there Trent as we are approaching 53 is there anything before we get out of here anything that you feel like you got to get off your chest because I'm going to be honest I'm making a deal with myself that Beyond this show now somebody might bring it up on Wednesday on fatland Wednesday and we'll have to you know we'll be polite we'll answer the questions or whatever but I am not going to do another Conor stallion related topic on this show breaks right I'm not doing it I'm not doing it I am not going to be the one to do it right we've got uh Fresno State on Saturday it's the 2024 season I am turning the page on this [ __ ] that's why I wanted to SP let's just get on here today let's spend an hour talking about it and then let's move on I am not talking about Conor stallion on this podcast moving forward so Trent this is your last opportunity anything you want to say about this guy any proclamations any love you want to get I mean anything you want to say about it do it now I'm like I'm I might not be on the same level as you with your hatred for for everything going on right now but I'm definitely I'm definitely tired of of talking Conor stallion so I've I think we both kind of had our our say and our our piece at it so I'm with you like after today let's unless something major drops like we can be done with the Conor stallions talk amen who's got it better than us let's just get to football talk we'll be back on Wednesday uh let's you know we're going to send the show out the right way we didn't come in come in with any music but let's send it out the right way we'll be back Wednesday fan L Wednesday that's right it's giving me heart issues I cannot talk about Conor stallions anymore best of luck Conor I'm glad you got your 15 minutes we're moving on we'll see you Wednesday here 6 PM for fan Le Wednesday appreciate everybody for J dropping in here extremely active comment section love you guys Trent nothing but love for you have a good night this this was a good one had great interaction it was fun great interaction we'll see you Wednesday [Music]