boying employees humiliated uh that upstart rival SpaceX how dare will rescue astronauts stuck in space it's shameful this is a New York Post story let me read this whole thing to you so boing employees are humiliated after NASA decided astronauts stranded on the ISS due to boing's troubled Starliner spacecraft will be rescued by it one boing worker candidly expressed the company's frustration saying we hate SpaceX we talk about them all the time and now they're bailing us out it's shameful it's I'm embarrassed I'm horrified the boing Starliner which suffered from Helium leaks and Thruster issues was initially meant to return the astronauts after an eight-day Mission but NASA decided it was safer for them to wait for spacex's crew drag mission in February 2025 despite uh boing's belief that Starliner could bring them home safely NASA's opted for SpaceX that is so embarrassing with the boing employee noting they have their own PR issues and don't need to dead astronauts Tom thoughts on the story well first of all let's play forward what happened the Boeing capsule the thrusters don't work so if you've ever seen pictures when they re-enter they re-enter on one side because it has what's called a heat shield and you see there's all this friction and this uh this fire and almost Molten on the bottom of the spacecraft then it crosses through that part of the atmosphere comes into the clouds where it cools off and then lands in the ocean safely okay Boeing says yeah we've been having thrust problems with the thrusters turning off so if that thing's coming through re entry and the thrusters turn off it turns over and you go from RE from re-entry to Cremation ceremony yeah that's what happens and that's what they don't want to do especially those pink spongy things you know the astronauts inside don't do well above 140 and so Boeing is saying we don't think we we're really worried about it we don't think it'll work and NASA is saying well what are you going to do and they're like can our guys hang out at the Stace space station we got enough water food and all the stuff up there and they're like uh yeah but what's your plan it says we'll get back to you Boeing doesn't believe they can do it they want to send their capsule back empty and they wanted to do it without news coverage or notice why is that Pat because if it comes back in and it flips over cuz the thrusters fail it burns up and the basically a few pieces of metal land on the ground they're like boy I'm glad the astronauts weren't in there right what terrible for Boeing Boeing's in a no- win situation so they do they take the tra well it would have he comes back safely and he said well you know we could have put our guys in there but we didn't want to risk it so it's just more Boeing suffering from making something that's not full full QA and whether you've got a big company and you're trying to build a software system or you're trying to build a capsule to bring people back safely QA and getting it right the first time is important so now Elon Musk is well my uh you know I've got really high safety records and NASA likes it and NASA told the Boeing board the Boeing board said we really don't want to take this risk and NASA says well we like the safety record of SpaceX we'll have them do it and Elon Musk the entrepreneur and matter of fact we could be there week from Tuesday if that's okay it's and now the B people are just like they're worried about all this stuff they're not at all worried about her hair like do they do don't they think that's like a bad publicity that's the Korean jeampier look I think it's theot that by the way you know what I can say about these two guys I've watched many clips of them the fact that they're calm relaxed chilling knowing their employer may not bring him back anytime soon and another guy named Elon Musk May and they're careless about it you know what it tells it just tells me they're having a blasion out there okay they probably enjoy each other's company they're they're I mean I don't know there's a lot of different thoughts that went through my mind on what happens out there in space let's go there let's go deep into the that's your show but that's that's not the show here but when I think about it I just really I looked at these guys said listen they're enjoying each other's company well maybe they're playing maybe they're playing Monopoly which is you lose money and air right how do you play that game maybe they're playing Scrabble right the letters are like flying there's my letter Maybe they're playing domino I don't know what they're doing but what are your thoughts on this I'm curious do you guys know what's the longest somebody's been in space for because these guys are due to come back in when 2025 correct I think it's 251 days okay is the record so they can't get them till like February March right so this 437 days okay I was way off but I had a guy on that was on 251 days okay so this will not be the longest anybody's been in space okay I was just curious to really know like the health implications like you know everything like that did fun said this I had a guy on who was out there for 251 days astronauts and my interviews about astronauts Crush Rob our numbers when I interview as they Crush no but they say when you go in space and you come back you grow 2 Ines taller they did the comparison with the twin brother do any does anybody know what I'm talking about where they had an astronaut who went into on the podcast oh that was him okay exactly they grow two in there was other differences as well um you know that they can point to so I don't know it's really interesting obviously very very embarrassing for them I'm also curious to know when did this take off and was that already after the Boeing whistleblowers came out for the planes on like the stratosphere on earth like you know how how how much do we need to establish these policies on Earth before they also realize they apply to space too it's it's just insane to me by the way Scott Kelly's the one Rob if you want to pull it up Scott Kelly is the guy uh uh his height after coming back that's the one she's he's not the senator that's Mark the brother Mark Kelly the Brother Scott Kelly is the one that uh was in space and then Mark Kelly was on the short list for six months in space so most of the results were mixed good and bad Kelly's Health break down and turn over a bone actuality increased 50 to 60% during the first 6 months but that failed off to during six and the skeletal system resumed a normal replenishment rate after he was back in gravity environment interesting these brothers you know regardless of where they're at politically kind of awesome one became a as astronaut one became a senator it's like what's the what's the brothers who run um um it's the ram Emanuel and his brother Ari Emanuel I mean these are these are beasts right here back to the initial point about Boeing has any company tarnished their reputation Legacy worse than Boeing over the last few years pre-co they were at all-time high stock price uh 370 now it's cut in half and the most ironic part because we've covered this is they were so focused on keeping their stock price up that they forgot to keep the planes up and look what happens when you forget your customer so to speak and now they're paying the price so we'll see if Boeing um Can recoup from this and then meanwhile you have I think Airbus who's their biggest competitor on the flights I think they're based out of France I want to say yeah who is I think their their stock price must be doing great these days for 13 and 12 years I know this sounds kind of weird I've been working on a fiction book I've never written a fiction book before until now it's called The Academy damn I've been working on this thing since 2011 um it's a story about a kid who gets recruited into a secret society that's been around for a long time that develops the greatest leaders in the world and you get a chance to go into this Vault to learn from different leaders imagine having a one-on-one conversation with people that have been dead for many years but this technology allows you to have a conversation with them ask him about any issues that's going on there's 10 characters in this book Tupac's one of them Marilyn Monro is another one who else can I tell you Aon Ran's in it KL Marx is in this book there's a lot of tense moments there's one character in the book that's going to be very controversial the whole idea for these guys in this book is uh I've never written a parenting book but for some of you guys that uh uh like a Divergent meets Atlas Shrug meets maybe you know those two books uh this is a book you're going to enjoy reading specifically if you have kids ages 14 uh 14 to 18 as well as adults you'll enjoy it as well this comes out next month September the academy Rob if you can put the link below you can go to Amazon to place the order of this book we'll be talking more about this year but for those that order early you'll get your copies these things sell out fairly quickly can I see this thing it kind of reminds me of the painting your most famous painting kind of come painting is the book so you'll see some of the conversations that's being had here so if you like this clip clip and you want to watch another one click right here and if you want to watch the entire podcast click right here [Music]