Getting Real with John Waters and Alex Krainer, Ep #59

welcome to upth thinking finance a podcast that offers a unique and Discerning view of economics and financial planning here is your host Emerson [Music] F welcome to another episode of up thinkinking Finance Napoleon bonapart once said Victory is not always winning the battle But Rising every time you fall um I'm really pleased today to have two of my most favorite people uh on today um coming to us that are both repeat guests and I just appreciate the time and looking forward to the conversation first we have John Waters who's an Irish free thinker talker and activist who's coming to us from Ireland and then of course Alex Craner who's a former fund manager Futures Trader and the founder of I system Trend following um who's coming to us from the beautiful principality of Monaco welcome gentlemen thank you very much Emerson thank you good to join you Emerson and John one small correction at the moment I'm in Croatia I'm not in Monaco okay oh so's you're in the beautiful well I don't know if is it principality no it's a liberal democracy you know freedom freedom and human rights all that okay awesome yeah just like we have here um great well listen and and before I forget both of you have work you can be both found on substack John waters. substack dcom and Alex crer dos substack dcom um you guys your commentary and your thoughts you just you know to me it's all about timing and I think people emerge when you need to hear other voices and so um John I thought we'd start with and you you know my thought was we'd start kind of here and and you've referred to Ireland as a petri dish of what's going on to the West so let's start in the petri dish and kind of expand our way out and you know if we have time we'll find our way onto this side of the Atlantic but um you recently ran for office you've shared a lot of thoughts and your writings about that experience and maybe just let's dive in there and see where that leads us yeah I run for the European election in Ireland for the constit constituency which is kind of about half the country the upper half of the Republic which is where I come from and you know I ended up getting something like 13,000 votes in the first preferences we have a PR system so if you can stay in basically you keep getting votes but if it's a you know you need to get to a series of gates in order to kind of reap the pastur of votes which may lie ahead of you you know and I kind of Lo without think about the third Council like that but that wasn't a huge surprise I mean I I ran a for for weird reasons because I wanted to alert people to the possibility that that this mechanism is here and even though it has completely you know not alone let us down betrayed us but it has destroyed us the political system the political uh the the party system uh it's one of the ways which we could hope to reclaim our country via as it were uh you know there people there's a lot of people on our side who were urging people to deregister no don't vote you know they're all the same it's swamp they're swamp creatures blah blah all that stuff which is kind of I kind of understand at some level because that's the way it's been but you know when you actually look at it if we're going to reclaim our countries it seems to me there are kind of a limited number of ways you can do it you know three of them begin with v which is you know violent interaction Velvet Revolution and voting right and there's also something you wait for it to to to to spontaneously comp combust the entire system and everything that's part of it and everything is propping it up that's not likely to happen any day soon so that you're down to those three and ultimately the only one that you can actually take action on really legitimately I mean I'm not uh you know VI Insurrection makes its own decisions when the moment comes and it's not for somebody to kind of it seems to me at this point say that it will or won't happen I suspect it will happen if this goes on it will happen all over the place H but it's not I wouldn't be I I I wouldn't be in the position to to recommend it because I'm too old to be fighting so you know um so therefore it seems to me that we have to find a way to the system now I've been saying that you know our political system in Ireland that all the political parties need to be treated as a legal organizations once we get our country back they need to be all baned you know and you know that there's a prison sentence that goes with membership of Fina fall F Gale you know etc etc um but at the same time you know I felt that you know we have to send a signal to our people well this is our system it's it's our country it's our democracy it's our freedom and these guys are only in there at our permission at our behest and if we can take them out we can tell them no no you're finished not we don't want you anymore so what do we do then well we've got to find the people who will replace them and and replace those parties so what I was running was doing was really taking that initial step to send that signal to people that you you can do it and once I done it then to kind of say well what it was like what would the drawbacks what were the potentialities and to be honest there were more drawbacks than potentialities to be honest about it you know I mean but at the same time I felt I had to do it and and I mean I was asked to do it I didn't it wasn't an idea that came to me spontaneously I did run before for the the the general election that's for the parliament in in Dublin uh back in uh very the spring of 2020 believe it or not just before all this stuff started I don't know I got some intuition I felt that something was seriously going right I don't know I mean I have to you know I I can't remember precisely what was the the trigger that this made me decide cuz I wasn't particular particularly well at the time but I did run in in my local constituency which is the worst possible in Dublin which is the worst constituency in the country for me to run in you know at the same time I nearly got a thousand votes which you know H if that was in the west of Ireland I'd be the chieftain of a pretty large Village you know so you know it's h it's um so that's really why I did it erson I I I and when I look back on it I I mean I learned a lot and to be honest is some of it I mean what you what you learned what I learned was that the whole thing is stitched up I mean we had clear corruption where illegal immigrants were being bust into the polls you know uh on the polling day all over the place and told to vote for particular candidates uh you know Tam Hall stuff you know well we Irish we gifted Tam Hall to to America and now we've got it back thanks very much you know I appreciate that that you repay this enormous debt uh but uh you know H and then uh the other part of that was H you then I kind of I saw I I didn't really feel that the the campaign you see you couldn't read this is a strange Paradox that I would in to tell the truth I wanted to tell people what was going on but then you're in there you find it isn't that easy because every sing there are these sort of set pieces you know like not on the media they wouldn't let me on the media on the mainstream anyway but there were like set pieces like the farmers uh associations would invite all the the speakers to a big event right and You' be all lined up on the on the stage 14 of us on one occasion and H but it was all controlled like the questions were all scripted and there was two policing journalists standing in front of the stage kind of saying to you you know no no no stick to the question go back go back go back don't you know and so everything was completely so there was this surreal kind of thing that you the best you could do would be to sneak in occasion the lines like say that we have to deal with the totalitarianism of the European Union know and people would look at me and I see them you know and then they would say you know and so but I I felt that the audience understood what I was saying when I would do that but it wasn't permitted it was you know verboten and so you couldn't really go beyond a certain point and you had to keep answering the most but like you know the cap the common common agricultural policy in relations to Farmers that was the big one you know what that These Guys these journals would say to me no no well how much more money are you going to put into the pockets of farmers and I would say Noone you know but but you know but like I would like the farmers like to be able to continue and and to be able to continue feeding the people I don't want the people to starve and then you know and so on this is so there's two different levels and but you're losing all the time because it's so rigged and so fixed and so rigid Alex I mean you've been writing a lot about what's going on in broader Europe I mean does this sort of bleed into this sort of sentiment that John's talking about I mean do you see this manifesting itself throughout yes obviously uh John's experience with running in the Irish elections is a a whole new level meaning that you know like he has the first person experience that I do not have but you know from the from the perspective of a voter of a European voter as a as a Croatian I'm entitled to vote in in in elections it's very clear that the system is uh deeply dysfunctional and it is deliberately made to be that way um the the will of the people is the last thing that is needed by these Democratic uh establishments they want the legitimacy of the popular vote but they don't want the any upid people meddling in their business and their business is defined by their donors and the donors are people that we don't really know who they are you know they're uh different corporations tycoons um Bankers uh you name it but you know they themselves are frontmen for uh for other interests that are deep in the shadows and we don't know what we don't know who they are and uh you know with time with time this the the dysfunctionality of the system has aifi so you know over time wherever they see that some uh Democratic Free Will of the people might actually manifest itself in actual policy well you know they blocked it off and and so now we are seeing absurd things and I I can't resist you know just uh what two days ago we we had the opening of uh Paris Olympics uh which was which was a very tacky disate distasteful um inappropriate insult to 99% of the people in Europe and around the world and particularly the French people you know this was supposedly this was uh representing them to the world uh I I I can't imagine that the average Frenchman isn't absolutely incensed about this and who brought this forth who you know we know who was the uh the producer the choreographer of all this but somebody decided to hire that guy and somebody signed off on his you know he didn't just you know it doesn't work that way to just do whatever you want somebody had to say like yeah let's let's let's run with this and so they did and then you know that's Europe but things are not much better in the United States where we had a coup in the Democratic party and it was so blatant that you wonder okay so if this could happen why are you telling me that 2020 couldn't have been stolen the 2020 election so this could happen but that was no no way no way could those elections have been stolen I don't know I'm I'm not convinced anymore well I was never convinced really but I mean let's say let's say from the point of view of an Normy who believes what they tell him in the news and then you know the attempted assassination of the former president and then the fact that the there's no there's no official press conference about it there's no word about the uh investigation that the people who are in charge of the Secret Service the doj the the NSA the department of home and security they're all dodging and obfuscating it's it's it's so completely blatant that the system is the system is advancing towards a breakpoint and there will be a breako we don't know you know what might happen from there on but there will be a break break point because um not only are things very obviously dysfunctional people have no way to uh uh bring forward their Grievances and seek redress there the system is only diverging farther and farther away from the actual will of the people I think the same person that uh uh hired the guy to do the Olympics opening was the one that uh the advised you know aneis Bush to use that Mulaney character on The Bite commercials CU it's it's the same result right but so here's a com here's a question I know John go ahead and because I I here's a com or I'm asking for you your thoughts on this because you're right Alex it seems It's like there's no I mean there's no pretending anymore I mean I don't know how anybody can can walk I mean to think that that somebody could get that close to Donald Trump in a situation like that when clear he's a threat to everything that's going on how does that even happen and it's like you said it's so much in your face it almost just seems intentional you know and I don't know maybe that's my perspective but if it is intentional you know then my question to you gentlemen would be you know why I mean you know where's it headed so John I'll throw that in your court it's increasingly difficult to kind of even say what reality is because immediately the after the assassination you had this Babble that started up about you know you know was it a fake assassination was Trump in on it was and so the whole thing becomes fractured you know and you can't help thinking that this is actually in some way an induced context you know it's an induced situation that they can actually do this now that they can fragment reality so nobody knows if there's Solid Ground underneath them at all and this again resonates with the idea of the election the point I was coming to there really was that what their operation is a pseudo reality it's a completely false reality but the point is what the way they keep what we call the normies even though in a certain sense you know we're the normies they're the ABN normies you know because they don't really understand anything about what's going on you know and and and and it's like that they fed this version and in in the version that I was in in the election even though everybody was very polite to me they're creating this demon Demonic Enemy of the people not just themselves but of the people and I'm it you know I mean and they're very polite to me but they're kind of looking at me and saying no no you're it you know you're the bad guy and and and yet I've been in Irish journalism for like 35 years and they all know me and they know that I'm a bit you know crazy and all that about certain things and have certain views that they don't agree with but they know that I'm not adol Hitler but they're that's what they're required to believe and they kind of do in a funny kind of way so you get these journalists who would come up to me and say I read an article and he comes up with an article that I wrote maybe 15 years ago and he say that was a great article you know and we're having this bizarre conversation and I've written all this stuff about journal liers and all the rest of it for the last four years basically saying you guys are criminals and he's not even pretending it's happening and and so so it isn't even clear why I'm the bad guy because they're not actually there's no charge sheet even though they they could by their standard say I I've called them all these names or whatever H but I don't so you know then you go back to Trump and and you can't even you know you look at it thislike and afterwards the aftertaste is like was it an assassination was it not an assassination it's like it's like it's put into this kind of never Neverland in this gray area you know and and H we're waiting for the next thing to happen to obtain Clarity from that so you know it's it's an entirely different way of presenting reality which is not to present it it to present a different version you know that that runs simultaneously to reality and sometimes intersects with it but you can never be sure what that moment is is it is this reality now or is this the fake thing that they're creating so I this is how bad it is you know and we that's before we even got the Deep fake stuff into this you know wait till that happens and we can all just go to bed and pull the pull the blinds and put the Dos over our heads Alex just so you know I had emailed John because that was kind and he's you know he writes I don't know if you know you get to read his stuff as often um but you know you wrot you were talking about the whole assassination thing and kind of my reaction I shared with him was you know I I'm a big RFK guy you know the original you know from the 60s and I've read so much about him and just how he transformed as a person and I actually you know I've watched it was a great um documentary that I can't remember the lady's name who did it on Netflix three episodes but it was just it was brilliant and I found myself weeping you know every time I read about the assassination of RF k i it because it just seemed like he was such a Monumental figure in American history anyway and and and you just wonder what could have been you know and then here you have Donald Trump getting shot at you know I mean some people died around him and you know and then I was telling John you know you got this picture of the fist in the air and the American flag in the background it almost just seems to be perfect and and and that's the thing it's like you don't I mean and I think my my intellectual mind says well of course that you can't fake that I mean they tried to kill the guy you know and there were documented people who did get you know that that that were casualties yet that that's the thing that goes on here so anyway do you have any thoughts on that Alex the reality has become so um surreal now that you might almost be uh inclined to believe anything anything is possible but uh you know Donald Trump is obviously such a problem for them you know they are they are on record making statements you know from the from the the director of the chadam house who wrote an article from statements of various European politicians um EU leaders who are all saying that my God you know if Donald Trum Trump comes to power is the end it's it's like everything is everything is uh up in the air after that um it's a massive massive problem from them and then you know that assassination attempt didn't come out of the blue it came out of at at the end of years and years and years of political public relations and and judicial harassment of the man they've done everything they could to stop him to put him behind bars to uh remove him from ballots in in different states they've gone outside of the bounds of law to try to stop him um and then you know the same basic um structures of power have killed before it's not like this is some kind of a red line where we just we are too decent to assassinate a political uh candidate you know somebody killed RFK somebody killed JFK somebody killed uh McKinley and uh um MLK and Malcolm X and um um got Abraham Lincoln and the list is very long actually the list is very very long and that's just like top level political leaders uh middle level operatives but the the the body count is massive um Seth Rich you know um the assassination of inconvenience venient people is routine business and you know it was just a couple of years ago Esther sales the judge who was supposed to take on the Deutsche Bank money laundering case which involved Jeffrey Epstein case well somebody dispatched an assassin to her house and that assassin took out her son and wounded her husband um so you know the people who are grasping as straws to say that this was a stage assassination attempt um yeah maybe it was but this this wouldn't be just like oh oh if if if it so happens that this uh assassination attempt was staged then everything is Snow White everything else is Snow White and the Dem ratic party and the DNC and whoever their donors are and whoever is pulling the the levers um of this political establishment are clean as a whistle and they wouldn't hurt a fly that's not the case just a the RFK business I mean I completely I'm at itm with you about RFK Emerson I mean I I was only a kid at the time I I didn't really hear about JFK on he was dead you know that was the first almost I I became conscious of him but he being assassinated I remember that very clearly hearing it but I remember far more clearly RFK and I remember when the day that RFK died being serving mass and it was announced off on from The Altar and it was like I was a overwhelming grief for me a little kid you know in in in County West Gman in Ireland like this guy he was such a charismatic and promising figure and I like you I've read all those books and I mean I can't I couldn't get enough of them in various periods and he remains to me the kind of the the guy who is the Lost promise of America you know you know maybe if he'd gone on who knows what would have happened but he he has that sense much more than JFK for me but you see that reality that that you know we we had then isn't there anymore I mean Trump is like a cartoon figure now that's the way he's been engineered it's not his person of course he's not a cartoon he's a real man he's a personality and he has feelings and he has all that stuff but to some exent he does play up to this and they have constructed of this caricature which you know like as as Alex says like that they have created this demonic notion that has no basis in reality in anything he said or done that he's going to kind of you know once he gets in there he's going to lock at all the doors and he's going to stay there forever and it's not even as long as he lives which you know wouldn't be forever let's say h but it's like as if this it's permanent he's going to take over the white house he's going to declare martial law where is the evidence he was president before and none of this happened what are they talking about they don't need evidence they have just need their Prejudice and the Prejudice is based entirely on on a single kind of thing which is kind of I don't know how would you say this that Trump has a certain kind of in yourface personality like he's a certain kind of guy he says what he means and he says it out and he's not particularly delicate in his Mor of Expressions sometimes and that's it that's it that's their evidence and they don't even uce that anymore they just just they say the because they know that's no basis for de crying because you just have to go you don't have to go very far back in American history to find a borish president you know uh Lyndon Johnson for example used to have meetings while sitting on the on the the B you know like you know like you know if Trump did that for God you know me like so what I'm saying is it's like this cartoon everything is now like these car cartoons and their scripts are cartoons you know the climate change is a cartoon script because there are loads of people out there who can could go on TV or radio any day of the week and and take it apart and and you know maybe there will be a debate at least and you know you'd hear both sides you don't hear both sides you know but there someone like say Steven coonan like you know who used to work for Obama who says this issue is not settled like he was Obama's climate adviser as soon as you mention his name to leftist they just climb up they just stop talking CU they know that they can't beat this this is the trump card of climate but you know it's it's all of this is all so rigged and it's like it's like it's for a culture that was happened you know that maybe happened if you can imagine like 120 years ago if you can think of that there's some the myth of progress has some basis to it and that back in the past people were backwards say what it's like we've become backward you know but F going forward you know that is it seems the more we go forward now the more backward and more infantile we become in our responses I mean in public and and we become more childish and our discussion becomes more the most banale I mean if you you can almost now be approved of by saying if you can think the most banale thing that is a kind of a an invocation to feel good you know you know if I was to say on the TV you know in a chat show talk show or someone say you know I am personally completely opposed to PL crashes i' get a round of applause for that even though nobody can stop playing crashes if they could they would you know it's like the banality of everything is like such a has reached such a level in our cultures now that it's like it's actually that the entire population is becoming infantilized literally becoming younger uh chronologically quite grow Aging in their bodies and this is kind of infecting politics it's infecting culture it's infecting like the artists like they're all bought they're all paid and they they would order these banalities you know because to not do so is dangerous for their particular way of being if they want to get their books published they want to get gigs if they want to you know get into the art galleries you know they're going to have to make the right noises otherwise they draw attention to themselves you you can't afford to just go around saying well you know I quite like Trump you I think he's an interesting character you really yeah really that's very interesting yeah when is your next exhibition you know it's this is where we've got to it's like you said before we jumped on you know it feels like things are heading over a cliff and a Tipping Point so I wasn't going to ask this right away but then I've got a question after this for both of you but I mean how important is this the US election coming up from your perspectives you know coming from Europe I mean is that a fair question I think it's extremely important uh and I think that the reason is because you know United States is a massively important uh Chunk on the geopolitical ch board in the world uh namely you know the uh what I would what I would characterize as the Western Empire uh I want to make clarify that I don't associate this with any Nation I don't look at it as a as a as an American Empire even though the United States is the main you know political and diplomatic and economic muscle behind the Empire but the Empire is is simply a network of vested interests who um who control the the political life of Western powers of you know United States European nations NATO EU and so forth and so for them United States is extremely important and useful as uh as the global cup as the enforcer of their order and so as long as they control the United States then they like to regard the United States as a as a friend as an ally as as the as the you know main main enforcer of the Empire of the Imperial Global Order you know and the American people have no choice but they have to Pony up the money for you know hundreds maybe a thousand military bases around the world uh but at the same time if the United States should uh ditch their role and uh maybe think uh hey you know there's this new block the bricks they seem to be a very very large percentage of the global GDP they seem to be very prosperous Nation with real purchasing power wouldn't it be great to export our goods and services to these countries wouldn't it be great to um cooperate with them on a on a on a mutually respectful and constructive basis uh I I'm sure that if the American people were made to understand the pros of and cons of trading with the rest of the world um in a mutually beneficial way versus wasting their future uh their economic substance their wealth their infrastructure and so forth and their blood and and and and their blood right on maintaining these this this Empire around the world and being constantly at war no doubt that the American people would choose to cooperate with other nations and to build to cultivate uh good relations well you know that's no use to the to the uh vested interests that control the Empire and so uh you could see that they're they're they're stricken with a sense of panic at the prospect that Donald Trump might uh become the president again and I think that for them they would prefer to destroy and partition the United States so that this great power doesn't switch sides right against the Imperial cabal rather and so you know if they can't control it they would rather destroy it so the election now I think with with the Biden Administration they're served well Biden Biden Administration officials can't find a war that they don't love uh they all the weapons are going to Israel to Ukraine to Taiwan you know every war any War we're going to next we're going to attack Iran no problem all of it all of it we'll do everything and then um if if if Donald Trump comes into the White House all of that might stop remember Donald Trump wanted to withdraw troops from Syria he was sabotaged he was uh frustrated in that he also wanted to withdraw troops from Germany that didn't work either but he wanted to do it and so obviously Donald Trump wants a different future for the United States so I think that the election might decide the next stage for the Imperial cabal the globalists and they might want to partition the United States and they might want to therefore ferment different secession movements and we might even be on a on a how do you call it on a on a juncture where we're going to have um maybe a replay of the Civil War once more because the Civil War unlike what they taught us in school wasn't about the emancipation of slaves it was exactly the Imperial uh cabal uh who were in charge of the British Empire uh wanted to partition the United States into two weaker client states that they could pit against one another divide and conquer right uh and eliminate arrival because the United States was starting to grow into a major power that was actually jeopardizing British control of the of the maritime trade routes so the decision was made we need to we need we if we can't control the United States we need to destroy it and we need to put it you know rearrange it into two client states that we control uh so the the the history was going to change and it we might come to that juncture again and just a side note it was Russia who intervened in 1863 and prevented Britain and France from intervening on the of the South and so in this way Russians are Alexander II helped Abraham Lincoln to uh preserve the union how by sending uh his Baltic Fleet to New York and his Pacific Fleet to San Francisco where they anchored and stayed for six months to make sure that the Brits and the F French could not intervene the real history is a lot more interesting than what we're taught that's for sure a lot more relevant to the current moment you know because the way they taught us history was kind of just one damn thing after another without context without background without uh and and once you understand that this is not how history happened then you realize that everything that's happening today is very very related to everything that happened in the past so John you've written um you know I I you've written a lot about the election here um you've written a lot about Trump you you made I think one comment not too long ago that said you know it's either Trump or hell on Earth um what's your take I mean you know from the Irish perspective you see there's a weird inversion that's happening in a lot of different areas whereby good is becoming bad you know put quotes around those terms for the moment and bad is becoming good in lots of ways I mean you you see this in in ideological terms left and right whereby you know the the left has abandoned the working class the blue collar worker and they ended up they ended up being adopted by Donald Trump which is a very weird match but it works in a certain way right and and and yet that was what the Democratic party under the kennedies and with the kennedies ETC that was what they were they were the people's movement really and and and that's now switched and now not on that but if you look at the history of say Europe's attitude to to the to America and particularly Britain you know there was always this sense you know the way that those kind of anti-war movements used to always start up and but it was always against Republican presidents it was never against the democratics didn't matter what Wars the Democrats got into it was the Republicans that everybody went down to the streets about you know the bushes and Reagan and all that right so so not K not Clinton you know not Obama and and that's still happening so now you have this bizarre situation that Biden's you know is the most kind of belly Co phase in American history recent history maybe you know in terms of its it's it's its bloodthirstiness and and its willingness to kind of create Wars and and prolong Wars and for anywhere they that that they can find them as Alex says now this is the bizarre thing that actually all the things that European liberals say imply they want you know from an American president they would get in Donald Trump but they hate him they despise him why because he's rude and he says nasty things sometimes and he's funny about people like them you know and and and that's enough to to make them flip their entire ideological model and and cheer on somebody like bid Biden I'm using Biden in a certain kind of corporate sense I mean obviously Biden wasn't even there you know himself Joe Biden he's just the the the guy in he's the dummy in the shop window and and but here we have this extraordinary situation where you know all of our our politics are are really they're they're marrowing marring this kind of Madness because like you know we you know we used to be a neutral country Ireland which meant it didn't mean that we avoided all conflicts although sometimes we did but you know we we had a particular kind of view of of not becoming involved in in in cabal is not becoming not selling ourselves before the fact would take a moral stance in in in a particular situation maybe we would send peacekeeping troops whatever that kind of thing we were also very much involved in the negotiation of the nonproliferation the nuclear nonproliferation theory back in whatever 50 OD years ago uh so like that was a very honorable PA even though some it has its critics here but now that's kind of been abandoned without the single you know discussion of it in public never mind a democratic vote from it uh and it's pretty much now signed up to some NATO thing now and so on and and so our whole lives in Europe has being are being colored by what's happening in America and and it none of it makes any sense it's all a theater which isn't is insane but of course behind it there is something else and that's the Puppet Masters and and they're just moving the puppets around to just to have some activity on the on on the stage or whatever you know it's what's going on behind is that you know and that's what we feel about the entire world in every way now that it doesn't really matter what happens on the stage it doesn't really matter what happens at in the election H the future is pre-ordained and everybody is determined is agreed and the people who might have a role to play in any of this to to the good in Democratic terms in media terms in journalistic terms they're all good with it because they just do what's on the script they say what's on the script and they will deny till the cows come home that there is anything else to know about this and this is the terrifying thing that that at some uncertain dates in March 2020 you know we woke up and the world had changed overnight the Democratic power of the people across the world Across the Western world let's say in that narrow sphere particularly somebody had pulled out the plug from the wall and plugged out the people and plug themselves in and we didn't know who those guys were and we still don't really we have a vague idea we keep coming up with names for them I call them the combine which is you know Chief bromden from one for over the cookness he used always have this idea of the combine was up there you know orchestrating all our lives and grinding us down you know and that that's the way I feel about them but I I can't and I can kind of speak about them in that way but I I I you know they're running the show and in a certain sense it doesn't really matter whether Trump or C Harris by this logic you know that the the the the the the Subterranean narrative is that Trump even if Trump gets in back in he won't actually be Trump he'll be a hollowed out version of trump and that ultimately he will have to do what he was told or they will put a bullet in his head and and this is this is what we've got to you know and if they get CA Harris they won't need the bullets you'll just she'll just she'll just you know whatever you know she'll just write she'll do some BO salads and and it'll be fine you know so so you know in a certain sense what I felt for the last few years is that we have discussions about politics and you listen there there some great streams online like the Jan these guys know their stuff inside out but I every time I watch them and listen to their logic I think yeah but does any of this matter the history does it matter is it is it because actually what what's going to happen is whatever those bastards want to happen it's not going to be anything to do with voting it's got to be nothing to do with policies nothing even to do with ideology it's got to be to do with what do they want to do with us and our lives if I may very gently push back with some optimism please do please do please do I want to be wrong Alex I want to be wrong yeah please I look at the longer term uh context to all this cuz they're they're gaining small Tactical iCal victories here and there not consistently but they do but if you look at where they were 20 or 30 years ago and where they are today you realize that they've been losing in a in a very spectacular way you know for example in 1993 we had something formulated called the wolo it Doctrine so United States was you know they just they just quote unquote won the Cold War and they thought that they were the sole remaining superpower and that the world belonged to them and Wu's Doctrine was basically uh imposing that the United States would eliminate any rival that they would strive for full spectrum dominance and then this this same Doctrine was kind of repackaged into the project for The New American Century a couple of years later in in 99 or or so or so and then they launched the you know the global war on terror because of this uh 911 Terror event that fortuitously happened when they needed it and then uh you know they went on their Rampage with where they were going to eliminate you know um among other countries Iran and Syria well did they they didn't uh then they uh staged the coup in Ukraine uh and they were going to uh basically regime change Russia and partition it partition it it and take over that didn't happen either uh then there there was um there was the pandemic that was meant to Usher a complete new uh normal remember we're supposed to have vacine uh passport and we were going to have to have those always updated with the latest booster to you know get on the plane get into a restaurant a theater on a bus public transport and so forth well that didn't happen either right we're pretty much back to the old normal in spite of the fact that they were promising us that the that the the old normal was never coming back and uh what happened to that full spectrum dominance well they're getting beat by the hooes in the in the in the Red Sea they got their backs back hands handed to them in Afghanistan by the Taliban after 20 years of trying to defeat them uh they pretty much lost Ukraine they lost Syria uh they're getting squeezed out of the Middle East and uh everything went downhill so from where they started and where they are today I see a steep downhill decline whereas they were really really hoping planning on and expecting that they would have unassailable Global Dom dominance pretty much cemented by now and not only that but their whole agenda is now glaringly obvious for anybody with their eyes open to see what you know okay so as as I always Marvel there really is a a segment of the population who could convince themselves that men can get pregnant so you know those people you can convince of anything you can convince them of anything you can convince them that there's manade man-made climate change you can convince them that the camt trails are Perfectly Natural even even if they see John Brenan talking about uh aerosol injections and all this on record but I'm talking about the the the silent majority of ordinary people they now see through the agenda they're no longer cooperating they're no longer complying we see the global is throwing Tantrums about misinformation and disinformation because it's fr rating their ability to carry out policy we see them getting defeated in one you know geopolitical theater after another and I think that they are merely panicked and so what does it mean if they manage to put Kamala Harris in the white house if Kamala Harris tomorrow orders the US troop to attack China or Russia will they obey and my my bet would be that they will not obey they you know know for military to go to war and fight for their country and risk their lives they have to be convinced they could you know maybe they could take orders from FDR JFK Ronald Reagan maybe maybe even Bush 43 but kamla Harris I don't I don't see it I get all that Alex and I you know thank you for for cheering me up a little it's good to hear all that but there are other things there are other things that there are battles we're losing one of them is to mass migration I mean they are literally flooding the countries of the West with aliens who have no place in those countries as they stand they don't they're not contribute going to contribute very much to them they can't it just doesn't they don't fit H and but they're relentlessly doing it Ireland like is all the time out and they're you know they went out around the world and advertise for people and then they tell us that they're coming from war zones but it's all young men right and and uh you know you kind of think well if these are men young men are fleeing War zones shouldn't we be sending guns and and rocket launchers out to the women and children so they can fight to protect themselves because the men obviously have abandoned them but nobody answers these questions in fact nobody in the mainstream ever asked those questions it's that's it's a and again it's that pseudo reality thing because this is all about compassion you know I call it you know the dictatorship of compassion it's like that you you are obliged to kind of because you claim to be a Christian or you CLA that you have to basically give not only the shirt off your back but your underpants and your socks as well you know and and and that's all Pudo because you know when you all you have to look at do is look at these guys and who are doing this and you know that they don't care about anybody like they they've been injecting people with poison for the past three years three and a half years and they don't care about anybody so you know please don't tell me that you love dark dark skinned people because you don't like any people clearly and and yet people you know are blackmailed by this nonsense and so you know that the whole culture I mean they tell us didn't that we we have a demographic crisis yeah we have we do actually but how did that come about well it came about because you drove the house prices of houses up to the roof our 100,000 Irish people went to Australia last year young people and 250,000 came in from other countries no comparison you know like you know we had 10,000 abortions you know could we not kill those children and and and maybe work on our demographic a little bit you know like why do we have to change the nature of Ireland so it doesn't any longer be Ireland you know but oh that's racist oh right yeah okay well actually know I as a friend of mine says no it's it's culturist culturalist he says you know I kind of insist that our culture is so much better than one which buries a woman up to her waist in the sand before stoning for adultery I think our culture is better than that it's not relative it's not the same can we can we at least agree on that no we can't that's racist too you know all this nonsense so like we what Alex is is right in s they're losing all these wars in a sense or they're they're they're they're losing all these bets on Wars but at the same time they're winning in other areas and at the end of the day even to the extent that we win that battle ultimately it'll be perck because you know we won't be here anymore they're actually disappearing us they're disappearing our peoples they're disappear in our Nations I think that is true and I I wouldn't say that we're uh clear from danger uh but you know I would I would draw a difference between destroying things and winning because you know just as you see in the war in Ukraine and other Wars you know both sides can blow things up but winning is is is a much much bigger deal and you know we can see Ukrainian side uh you know trying to blow the Kirk bridge and once they even succeeded uh they can launch Terror attacks inside Russia they can blow up things but they have no way to Prevail that's that's a very very different category of things saying winning and you know even even even if you have a legitimate Army and you send it to invade and Conquer a country that that Conquest can never hold unless it gets popular support unless unless the population actually supports that Army and so what you have now is hordes of immigrants flooding into Europe but they will never have support of the local populations and eventually it'll become untenable I don't think I don't think that the this will succeed in the long run it is going to cause a lot of pain a lot of damage and uh uh heartbreak for the Irish people and and all other peoples around um around Europe and the Western countries that are being flooded by immigrants but that's not to I think that there's a very big difference between sustaining that damage and the globalist actually winning and prevailing with those measures I don't think that's going to happen I think these conversations inspire people because I was talking to Melissa shim yesterday I know you know her Alex and John she's she's familiar with you I don't know if you know her she's in Northern Ireland of course JN knows Melissa yeah no she's great and yeah and she was talking about um you know we're having a conversation very similar to this and just kind of on the economic end of things primarily but you know about this idea of you know sending her son to war you know know and she said he's not going to go to a war for a bunch of rich men you know I and I say the same thing you know they're trying to reinstitute Selective Service here and I mean you know my son's not going to go fight for you know it just and I think that's the difference you know I was going to ask you both the question I know this is sort of going sideways but sometimes my brain comes up with these things in a moment um but you know I think there is something to be said you know John you WR about it your passion for your country and I think you're right you just wrote a recent you know maybe a week ago about why the Irish are the Target and is because the Irish are well-liked there's a tradition there's this well you know there there's there's all this it's a unique group of people that that sort of does have you know it's yeah you I mean you want to kill the spirit of humanity you know that certainly is a good place to start and um but I'm thinking you know the other hand and I tend to lean to Alex because I I you know the thought of trump being a part of the problem I mean then in my mind good Lord then what you know I guess like you said Alex when I first met you you know well the Americans still have their guns I mean you know is that what it gets to um but you know there are people out there I don't know if either of you have heard of this Archbishop Carla Maria vagano yeah but he's out there you know speaking oh I mean this guy he's like I because my question was going to be is there anybody in Europe that really sort of is that person that you know the the hope of the that emerging leader person that really speaks to the people that's not owned that you know like sort of like the Trump figure we hope is the one that you know is is why he's getting targeted like you were explaining Alex there's got to be a reason and and you know anyway but vagano I mean this guy just you know he got excommunicated he's been going against the pope for I don't know how long I mean back in 2020 he was writing letters to Trump that were beautiful that laid out this whole battle and you know and so I feel like there's some point where people as they wake up come out of their coma um you know and I'm speaking for one that just started to see things four years ago during the co so I'm not like you know I'm a I'm a newbie in that sense but you I think there's more people I'm just curious is there anybody that kind of comes to your mind I mean Orban I don't know in Hungary is he a guy yeah Orban yeah you have one on your podcast oh today Tom John Waters oh yes okay I'm not trying to pass a cheap compliment but you know obviously John has difficulty reaching the Irish public as as he mentioned you know but I I to me that means there must be thousands of people across Europe like that who are trying to do the right thing who are trying to send the right message but they're being silenced but I think it's only a matter of time before their voice manages to penetrate through yeah I think that's right Alex H in this sense you know that that there are lots of people but there's there's the whole the whole panoply of events and and repercussions that flow out of what happened in 2020 the complexity of those is having all kinds of weird effect undertoe effects on culture uh one of them has very much to do with the MRNA H poison Jabs which is that there's this weird thing now where where there's a consciousness of growing about the effects of those but equally growing at the same time is denial of those effects or an avoidance of it and it's really understandable you know that people who maybe have taken a lethal jab or their their children or whatever and all of this and people are you know because that's mixed in there that's keeping an awful lot of people away from everything else as well you know that they just want to go into any of this stuff because to do so would mean having to look I I I kind of know this from Talking even among myself and my family and friends you know that you get this strange effect whereby you know even those of us who know what's happened but if there's some loved one that we're fearful for we don't know exactly what their status is we're concerned and suddenly they got a flu and it's really bad and it's not getting better and you think you you start threatful but what I found in myself and others when that happens I become utterly defensive you know like you know in a particular situation my wife might start asking me a question about somebody well what what did you say to the person and and I say well look look let's let's let's leave it you know and so I'm doing that thing I'm I'm I'm operating that Deni in that thing for the very good reason that I can't bear to think that this person could be doomed that's even to say that hurts me grievously you know so uh that's what I I you know that all of that then is is is like a it's like a Lego set you know it's all click together and it's in there in the middle and you can't you can't isolate that piece because Trump is related to that and the elections and you know and your position on climate change all of those things and and it's all got to do with the that I call it mut mutism that descends on people it's that they they have this it starts in Ireland first about 10 years ago with the the referendum on gay marriage where these kind of goons LGBT goons descended on the our population and and basically told them there are certain things you can't say anymore and there are certain things you can't even think about anymore is that all right J you got that no okay continue you know and that's the way it's kind of gone on for the last decade you know and now the the good news is that going back to Alex's point about the Olympics and and France is that I think that's the end of it now that it's that's kind of like they're they're so tone deaf now that people who are tolerant of them before tolerant means basically keeping your mouth shut and keeping a fixed smile in your face while a bunch of gobshites are destroying your civilization and you're saying oh yeah I'm quite happy you know I'm happy with my C my my civilization being pissed upon you know yeah yeah yeah I'm happy I'm good with that but that's going to stop now I think they say okay enough already just get off the stage and shut up right that's what I think is next and hopefully that will be next so that's so so that so it's complicated I mean that's so in Ireland certainly I don't know I I know there are signs of Awakening in different situations internationally in Ireland I can we thought we had one back in March where there was a couple of referendums about family related issues and suddenly in just about three weeks before like it was all Runway yes yes yes yes yes the government wanted to impose all these things to do with mass migration had to do with all kinds of sneaky things but people started to wake up and started we started putting out the message you know and we won 75 to 25 in the end and we thought wow it's a revolution but not a single vote of that translated into any of the elections two months later three months later yeah because they were rigged probably well that's right they were rigged of course they were they were bsing in as I say they're Bing in that would explain it yeah yeah that's you know sorry I for forgot about that you know hams razor well this is the strange thing about running for elections that at a certain point in a certain way you kind of you kind of factor that out because you kind of expect it to happen anyway and you say okay we still have to kind of beat them even though they're going to do that and you and when you don't then you're still kind of surprised or disappointed so you shouldn't be at all of course but that's just how mad we are you brought up a good point I'm glad I asked that question because you're right guys like John and I think yourself I mean you're both very outspoken um you know and I think every I think people I mean even some of the conversation here you know if I was having this interview with two years two years ago I'd probably be a little more you know more reserved but it just seems like at this point I mean good Lord you know I mean you hold back it's like death I mean you got to put it out there and and and I will say from my side just My Little Pond or whatever people I interact with um people are seeing things people are waking up and they're realizing too and this was a point that came up I think I've probably talked to both of you at one time or another about it that yeah even and it's come up here you can't just because a person gets elected I mean it's not like all of a sudden there's this we don't have you know this not the Savior we we have work to do at our in in in this you know empowering people to to not be afraid to get out there and do what you did John and Alex man I know you travel all over the place and you're speaking out um you know even like you know betterway conference a year ago ago I mean that was pretty you know in the context of I mean even a year ago that was a very uh you know I don't know controversial is the word but certainly I mean you had a group of people there that were taking a risk and putting their sticking their neck out you know pushing back against a lot of things at the time and so um I think you know I'm seeing the fruits of that I'm seeing you know my clients with our firm who who just are starting to really realize you know things don't add up um but it's just it's there is seems to be a higher conscious and so I think that's been a for me if there is a positive that's it because at some point we're all going to be called upon I think to really take ownership of our future um ourselves and what and you know and everybody is in a different place where they you know they're going to influence but you know it's like that movie you know it's crazy it is ants you know there's a lot more of us than there are them and I think that's going to matter you know I really do because um anyhow any final thoughts I I'll I'll go to you John and then Alex why don't you close this out and I'll let you get on with your evenings I know it's later there than it is here it's been really good and particularly listen to Alex I mean it's it's very good to hear that that kind of and it isn't just the polyana stuff it's it's it's it's positive and it's constructive and it's real H this is complex you know there are little pockets of different entities you know and different forces and and it's good to to hear that and and you know I vacillate between you know optimism and despair you know I mean that's just the nature of this you know sometimes you think yeah we there's a of light here and you pursue it and you follow it you know maybe comes nothing but you know you know the point is to keep you keep your heart strong and and and keep keep uh uh hopeful and and you know ultimately I do think we can we can defeat them H you know because you know this is the nature of human reality is that ultimately ultimately good triumphs because otherwise none of us would be here you know the life wouldn't have gone on in this way so you know these people won't they want to destroy Humanity they want to destroy the world H that's not going to happen because Humanity at a certain point will switch into a more fundamentalist position not that you know the material won't matter people will when they come to realize that they would come and then you know they will realize that you know their their Nations their their families their their their relationship with the world is what matters and that these are fundamental and that they they must be fought for and that you know you know I just think that you know is quite bizarre that we're fighting this thing for the last four years and it has no Authority whatsoever it has no energy that is can be described as deriving from anything other than evil right through the systems we're talking about the people have not given any acquiescence to this at all all at any point uh except in a certain passive way because they're terrified of some stupid virus or something you know but so once people realize what's at stake that's the hard thing and that's again going back to election that is it was became one of the problems was it was impossible to to use the election really to be effectively telling to tell people effectively what was happening and what what they needed to be aware of but if we keep going we will find the code and we will break through to them and once we do that I think is it because I don't think that you see these people can't Prevail with violence even though they can buy all the police force and all the armies they're still we're still more numerous than they are and ultimately you know it's going I think to go back to what I said about the three V's you know the the violent Insurrection Velvet Revolution or voting well you know I still have a hope for that Velvet Revolution you know because that's what happened in Prague in 1989 you know when the you know because the rumor went around that one student had been killed by the by the police a a million people just went onto the streets spontaneously by word of mouth and pull down the Communist Regime and installed vas hav as president you know and and that's that's the Hope most hopeful thing I think that's the the probably the most likely thing that will happen in our countries at the end of this and I hope it is the end I don't I don't cherish your welcome or the prosp of a violent Insurrection anywhere that's always going to be bad because that's the the the the the the the the the combine and their minions like that that they're trying to they're trying to ferment that they're trying to to instigate that all along all the time antagonize people and make them retaliate and the voting well you know we tried it you know and maybe we'll try it again who knows Never Say Never but you know it's not it's not a very adaptable instrument at the moment for what we need to do thank you yeah Alex we're at a unique point in history unique because we today this generation of of of people have something that no generation before us has had which is the internet and the social media and for the first time in history ever we no longer depend on um you know printed media like newspapers radio and television we have information flowing from point to point almost in instantaneously and most of it cannot be controlled by anybody and uh I think that that makes such a huge difference that it might even be you know we might even be able to compare it to humanity growing a nervous system you know until now we were a blob maybe like a jellyfish carried by carried by currents and you know responding to immediate stimuli from our environment with a nervous system we can act uh to to to a large extent in a deliberate way we can decide our own course and move in that course in that direction deliberately uh I think that this is an enormously powerful thing and you can tell that it is by the reactions of the people in power because uh this year in January in Davos we saw um John KY orsula VLAN and uh I think was it Mitt Romney or somebody like that absolutely throw Tantrums about misinformation and disinformation and orander and said that it was a greater enemy than even Russia and Global terrorism because it was frustrating their ability to implement policy uh which which to my mind is a different way of saying that we are winning and they are losing and so I think that what we just need to do is carry on continue you know questioning uncovering the truth uh and and spreading it you know regardless of can you speak to two other people or 10 other people or or a million other people I think that for every one of us who care to live a better world uh to our children in future Generations this is what we have to do we have to uh we have to fight for the truth and then you know as as as the saying goes the truth you will know the truth and the truth will set you free I think that we are well on the way to realizing that ideal so I I feel very very encouraged and you know no matter how dark the moment is uh you know there's there's there's light at the end of the tunnel and all we have to do is put one foot in front of the other and uh we'll do well I appreciate you both you know and I think Alex again you brought up a good point in that the heroes really are at the end of the day you know each of us everybody who's just taken one step to push back whatever that looks like and you know it's inspiring to me um you know I we've done that in our work you know with where our approach there's a narrative in the financial industry we push back on it and and we're making little inroads you know as time has gone on and it's it's and you know and and maybe it's not a big deal but again it's one little brick that gets added to this this this what we're building and you know and what's just inspiring about it is you know connecting with men like you and um other people I've had a chance to connect with it are doing the same thing and it's like you said John you realize there's a lot of people out there you know there's a lot of people that are doing these things in their own little way and so um you know there's power in that like you said Alex so I just I appreciate you both you know I got to tell you I love you guys you're just good men and you're good human beings and you're out there and you care you know and I think that's the thing that inspires the other people that you know listen to these conversations is they just they realize they're not alone in their thoughts they realize that you know you can't go out and take a risk and stick your neck out and live to fight another day um you know so uh just God bless you both thanks for coming back on and giving me the time today and sharing your thoughts and I just it's great to see you both thank you thank you very much em thank you thank you for having us always a pleasure thank you Emerson is a registered representative with and securities offered through LPL Financial member finra sipc advisor services offered through LPL Financial a registered investment advisor and separate entity from capital investment advisors the opinions voiced in this podcast are for general information only and are not intended to provide specific advice or recommendations for any individual to determine which strategies 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