>> ALL RIGHT, GIVEN THE NEAR 50/50 SPLIT IN THE POLLS RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE VOTERS ARE STILL TRYING TO WRAP THEIR HEADS AROUND THE PLANS OF EACH CANDIDATE THAT WANT TO GET BACK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. LET'S GET THE READ ON THAT BY PHIL WHO IS THE REAL CLEAR POLITICS REPORTER, THEY'RE BOTH SO FIGHT IN THESE POLLS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> THEY REALLY ARE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING AN ALMOST A MIRROR IMAGE, PERHAPS, OF 2016. AT THIS POINT HILLARY CLINTON LED DONALD TRUMP BY FOUR POINTS AND RIGHT NOW HARRIS IS ABOVE DONALD TRUMP BY TWO. HARRIS SEEMS TO BE WILLING TO RUN THE UNDERDOG RACE AND GO TO STATES THAT CLINTON DIDN'T LIKE MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN. AND ONCE THE NOISE IS OUT OF THE POLLING DATA, WHAT THE ACTUAL EFFECT OF THIS FIRST MEETING, THIS FIRST DEBATE BETWEEN FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS IS. AS OF RIGHT NOW THOUGH, THIS THING IS GOING TO BE A BARN BURNER AND I THINK THAT WE MIGHT END UP HAVING A PHOTO FINISH. >> IF THERE IS NO OTHER DEBATE, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WILL. IT SOUND LIKE DONALD TRUMP HINTED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF ONE, BUT IT LOOKS UNLIKELY, WHO DOES IT HURT MORE? >> THAT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION. WE SAW HARRIS CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY COME OUT AND SAYING THEY WERE READY FOR A SECOND DEBATE AND WHAT DOES DONALD TRUMP DO? HE GOES INTO THE SPIN ROOM AND HE TELLS SEAN HANNITY, IF YOU'RE A PRIZE FIGHTER AND YOU'VE JUST WON, YOU DON'T WANT ANOTHER FIGHT. I THINK WE MIGHT SEE A BIT OF CHANGE HERE, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, TRUMP HAS CHANGED HIS TUNE WHEN IT COMES TO DEBATES PREVIOUSLY AND PERHAPS THE POLL NUMBERS GO TOO FAR IN ONE DIRECTION FOR HIM THEN HE MIGHT BE MORE WILLING TO GET BACK ON STAGE WITH HER. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS I PLAN OUT MY SCHEDULE AND LOOK AT MY REPORTERS NOTEBOOK, I'M LOOKING TO THE VICE-PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN GOVERNOR WALZ AND SENATOR VANCE FOR THE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE POLICY QUESTIONS. THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST CHANCE ON OCTOBER 1ST TO ACTUALLY HAVE BOTH CAMPAIGNS FORCED TO DEFEND THEIR RECORD AND GIVE CLARITY TO STRAIGHT FORWARD QUESTIONS. NEIL: THERE IS A BACK AND FORTH NOT ONLY THE DEBATE, AND DONALD TRUMP SAYING HE WON AND THE CONVENTIONAL ONES SAYING THE OPPOSITE. THAT'S IN ASSOCIATION WITH NOT QUITE NORMAL CHARACTERS, AND WONDERING WHETHER THE PRESIDENT IS LISTENING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TRUTH OR CREDIBILITY YOU PUT IN THAT, BUT IS HE JUST DOING HIS OWN THING? AND IS HE PUSHING HIS OWN POINTS? AND HE CAN RIGHTLY COME BACK AND SAY I WON DOING IT IN 2016 AND HE COULD INSIST HE'S WON DOING IT IN 2020. WHAT'S GOING ON IN TEAM TRUMP RIGHT NOW? >> I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO LAURA LOOMER ON THE WAY TO 9/11 CEREMONY. ONE THING I'M STRUCK BY, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, WE HEARD AGAIN AND AGAIN SUZIE WILES AND CHRIS WERE RUNNING A DISCIPLINED CAMPAIGN AND THEY WERE. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN EVEN HAD PLAN TO REMOVE SNOW IN IOWA. THEY HAD THIS DOWN TO A SCIENCE. THEY WERE VERY, VERY DISCIPLINED. WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT DISCIPLINE SLIP IN THE TIME SINCE AND THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, UNFORCED ERRORS, FOR INSTANCE. WHENEVER REPORTERS ARE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT A CONSPIRACY THEORIST, THAT DOES NOTHING TO TELL A SWING VOTER THAT THEIR LIFE IS GOING TO BE BETTER DURING THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. SO I'M NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN WHO IS DRIVING THIS OTHER THAN THE FORMER PRESIDENT HIMSELF. NEIL: REAL QUICKLY TO KAMALA HARRIS. SHE DID CONDUCT AN INTERVIEW WITH A LOCAL PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA REPORTER, TOUCHE' TO THAT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE AND TOUGHER INQUISITORS. WHAT IF THAT NEVER HAPPENS? SHE'S DOING PRETTY WELL NOT DOING THAT. >> IF YOU'RE THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE ENERGY, YOU HAVE THE MONEY ADVANTAGE AND CERTAINLY YOU HAVE MOMENTUM. IT'S NOT RUN AWAY MOMENTUM JUST YET, BUT YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT WITHOUT SITTING DOWN WITH THE PRESS, WITHOUT BEING GRILLED. WHY WOULD YOU CHANGE COURSE WHEN THE HONEYMOON IS CONTINUING? >> GOT IT. PHIL, THANKS FOR COMING IN ON