HEAR SOME PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT, S AT LEAST PUBLICLY, HOW THIS HAS IMPACTED THEM. IT IS REALLY TERRIFYING A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THIS RELATIVELY SMALL OHIO TOWN, ALEX. >> YEAH, I AM JUST SITTING HERE STUNNED, SHAKING MY HEAD AS YOU ARE REPORTING. MAGGIE VESPA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING SO. >>> JOINING ME NOW IS A PROFESSOR FROM COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY AND FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NEW YORK STATE DECORATEDÃDEMOCRATIC PARTY AND FORMER AIDE TO FORMER VP CANDIDATE PAUL RYAN. I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE HOW FAR REMOVED TRUMP OR VANCE ARE FROM ANYONE WHO HAD FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THESE RUMORS. THE WOMAN WHO INITIALLY MADE WO THE FACEBOOK PASTE THIS MY POST SAID SHE IS NOW FILLED WITH REGRET. SHE HEARD IT FROM A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A NEIGHBOR AND SO ON, RIGHT? I MEAN, ARE VOTERS SEEING THE UTTER DISREGARD FOR FACT IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN? >> WELL MITT HAS EXISTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE NATURE OF WHAT TRUMP WILL SAY IN RESPONSE. HE WILL SAY SOMETHING AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, THE CONTROL OVER THE NARRATIVE, HE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T SAY IT. I HEARD IT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. >> I MEAN, COME ON. >> YOU ARE A NATIONAL POLITICAL LEADER. YOU HAVE A PLATFORM WHERE WHAT YOU SAY DOES MATTER. YOU KNOW, HE HAS NEVER REALLY, BACK IN 2016, HE FELT BELIEVING IN THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES, SOME FELT THAT YOUNG PEOPLE WERE BEING TRAFFICKED AT A B PIZZERIA IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE, I HAVE SAID IT A NUMBER OF TIMES BEFORE BUT WE HAVE NEVER HEARD IT FROM THE MOUTH OF A PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE. IT IS DISGUSTING, SHAMEFUL AND HAS REAL-WORLD CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLES ACTUAL LIVES. THAT IS WHAT FOWE ARE SEEING PL OUT RIGHT NOW. >> BRENDAN, ON THE DAY THAT THE CITY HALL WAS EVACUATED, TRUMP WAS POSTING MEMES LIKE THIS. THERE YOU GO. HE WAS ASKED IF HE WOULD STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION BECAUSE OF THE DANGER IT BE CAUSED. HE DID NOT ANSWER. HE SAID THE REAL PROBLEM IS AT THE BORDER. DOES TRUMP NOT UNDERSTAND HIS WORDS HAVE RIPPLE EFFECTS? IS HE NOT CARE OR, WORSE, DOES HE INTENTIONALLY DO IT? >> YEAH, I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT. THAT WAS A REMARKABLE MOMENT. IT WAS POINTED OUT TO HIM THAT SCHOOLCHILDREN ARE BEING EVACUATED FROM THE CLASSROOMS BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS HE IS MAKING AND HE SHOWED ABSOLUTELY NO REMORSE, RIGHT? UT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, IT IS NOT JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLINE CHATTER THAT MADE ITS WAY TO HIM, THERE IS STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN FOR DOING THIS. THEY WANT TO DEHUMANIZE THE W MIGRANT POPULATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT ROUNDING UP MILLIONS OF T PEOPLE AND TEARING THEM AWAY FROM THEIR COUNTRY THAT THEY HAVE LIVED IN, SOME OF THEM, THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, FROM THEIR FAMILIES, UNLESS YOU DEHUMANIZE THEM. I THINK THAT IS ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND WHY THEY ARE LEANING INTO THE HAITIAN COMMUNITY. IT IS NOT LOST ON ANYBODY THERE IS A RACIAL COMPONENT TO THIS, AS WELL. THERE IS NO REAL, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, ON THE REPUBLICAN RIGHT, THERE IS NO BL LIMIT ON HOW OUT THERE YOU CAN BE ON IMMIGRATION. REMEMBER, DONALD TRUMP TALKED ABOUT ARMING MEXICO TO STOP GANGS FROM COMING IN HERE. HE PAYS NO PRICE FOR IT AND HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN IS BUILT AROUND TURNING OUT PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THESE KINDS OF THINGS, SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY, WE SHOULD HAVE NO CONFIDENCE HE WILL TAP THE BRAKES ON THIS ANYTIME SOON. >> OKAY, BASIL, WAS MOVED TO FAR RIGHT CONSPIRACY THEORIST LAURA LOOMER, WHO IS ALSO SPREADING THESE LIES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SHOCKINGLY, SHE JOINED TRUMP TO COMMEMORATE 9/11, WHO RUMORS THAT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. EVEN THE MOST MAD OR REPUBLICANS, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE EVEN SHARED AND CONDEMNED THE POST LOOMER MADE THIS MONTH. WHAT DOES TRUMP HOPE TO GET OUT OF BY BEING NEXT TO YOUR BEING ADVISED BY A CONSPIRACY THEORIST? >> FOR A LONG TIME WE HAVE BEEN SAYING DONALD TRUMP, POLITICALLY AND ELECT ORIOLE, HE CAN'T GO ABOVE CERTAIN NUMBER OF POINTS. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RAISE THE CEILING, HE IS DIGGING DEEPER INTO THE FLOOR. HE IS GOING INTO THE DARKEST PLACES OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THEORISTS TO GO AND GET SUPPORT. TO BRENDAN'S POINT EARLIER, WHICH WAS A VERY GOOD POINT, THERE IS A POLITICAL BENEFIT HE SEES OUT OF DOING THIS. O AND BY EXPANDING AND AMPLIFYING THESE, THESE, THESE THEORIES, THE STATEMENTS AND ACTUALLY HAVING SOMEBODY WITH HIM, WHISPERING IN HIS EAR, YOU KNOW, AND FEEDING THIS TO HIM, IT REALLY DOES TALK A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR, I DON'T EVEN NEED TO SAY HOW FAR RIGHT, JUST HOW FAR AWAY FROM REALITY HE REALLY HAS. AND I IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE VOTER, I DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE DEMOCRATIC, INDEPENDENT OR REPUBLICAN, YOU HAVE TO FIND THIS, NOT JUST STRANGE, BUT ALARMING THAT SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT DEAL IN ANYTHING CLOSE TO REALITY HAS THAT MUCH INFLUENCE ON A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. >> UNTETHERED FROM REALITY, ABSOLUTELY. SO BRENDAN, WHAT DOES IT SAY THAT EVEN FAR RIGHT MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE TRYINGE TO STOP TRUMP FROM ASSOCIATING WITH LOOMER AND THEY ARE FAILING. DOES THIS SUGGEST TO YOU THAT TRUMP IS JUST NOT INTERESTED IN EXPANDING HIS VOTING POOL DECK, HE BELIEVES HE CAN WIN WITH HIS CURRENT LEVEL OF SUPPORT? >> DONALD TRUMP'S POLITICAL STRATEGY HAS ALWAYS BEEN CREATING HIS OWN REALITY. I THINK HE LIKES THE REALITY THAT PEOPLE LIKE LAURA LOOMER TALK ABOUT FOR HIM. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY CREDIT TO A MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE OR I SOMEONE LIKE THAT WITH A VOICE OF REASON, I JUST THINK THAT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE WISHES SHE WERE HERSELF WAS ON THAT PLANE, SHE HERSELF ENGAGES IN CRAZY CONSPIRACY THEORIES. WE NEED TO TAKE A BREATH. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS, WE TELL DONALD TRUMP HOW HE SHOULD ACT BETTER AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS, HE WILL NOT DO SO. THIS IS NOT ABOUT HIS CAMPAIGN, IT IS NOT ABOUT LAURA LOOMER, THIS MAN DOESN'T HAVE ANY REAL RESPECT FOR TRUTH, FACT, REALITY, HE JUST WANTS TO LIVE IN THE REALITY THAT WORKS BEST FOR HIM. HE WANTS TO HAVE POWER WHERE HE IS AND IF WE FIND