now joining us now is the New York Post 2024 swing state reporter Victoria Churchill Victoria thank you so much for coming on the program want to talk to you about uh the debate and JD Vance who we've sort of not focused on too much because Trump and the debate has taken all the oxygen here you were in the spin room with Vance after the debate what did he have to say how did he say it how's he looking well Vance came in joined us very confidently after Trump's debate with KLA Harris but he said what I think a lot of Americans already know and it's that kamla Harris is all fluff she has no substantive Pro policy proposals and the voters know that and Trump and Vance and their team are making sure that Americans know that and if Americans care about policy they know that the choice they're going to make is going with Donald Trump and JD Vance in November now I want to ask you about something that haveen the debate which suggested that maybe Trump Advance were at odds over their stance on abortion Trump T tried to distance himself from Vance's claim that Trump would veto a federal abortion ban have a look at this JD Vance has said that you would veto if you did come to your desk well I didn't discuss it with JD in all fairness uh JD and I I don't mind if he has a certain view but I think he was speaking for me but I really didn't look we don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it is this a sign of a possible Rift between the two uh the two candidates here or is this just a media Kur fuffle I believe that it's just a Kur fuffle look at the end of the day uh for example if Vance was to for example have to tie a cast a tiebreaking vote for something like this in the Senate you know obviously as a vice president you get the tiebreaking vote you know he is currently a member of the United States Senate where he has that voting power he would maintain that in those instances as the vice president so you know I think would probably vote for a National Abortion ban uh but also that means that they have to get at least 50 other presumably Republicans to vote for that and I don't know with even if Republicans do take uh back the Senate um whether they will be successful in holding that vote uh because you know this this issue is very contentious in a lot of states and I think that that means that even some Republicans may not be very much in favor of it depending on the makeup of their constituency if right now their campaigning and their Outreach is to get a lot of Swing demographic voters that aren't necessarily very socially conservative and you know if those Senators want to get reelected in six years you know if this is brought up in the first uh if Trump is elected and he's you know if it's brought up in the beginnings of his seventh or his second term uh you know those vote those Senators would still have to face voters so I think there is a lot of hypotheticals in this situation is the abortion issue sort of the Republican equivalent of an issue like immigration is for the Democrats one of these things where they're deeply divided between what they have to say to people who might be living in sort of urban and Suburban centers and you know people who are maybe more religious and more uh conservative on this issue in maybe more rural issues how does Donald Trump get ahead then of this issue so that he can satisfy both sides I think that answer is really twofold so on one hand I think he has to lean on his record from his first presidency this is actually another thing that Vance mentioned you know uh despite how the other members of the media May spin it this is really a race between an a current incumbent and a former president so both people have a record uh which you know we don't always see in elections such as this and so what we have here is Trump has a very solid pro-life record to lean on and so that will satisfy the social conservatives now on the other hand I think he's making other comments uh you know about for example leaving things up to the states that I think will play better with middle ground voters because at the end of the day people can split a ticket they can vote for him for the presidential race but they could also vote for other people for Governor's races for example they can vote for their state representatives and state senators uh and so you know at the end of the day I don't think necessarily You know despite the demographic that I fall into which is you know women under 30 which everybody always loves talking about as being insanely liberal uh you know despite a lot of compatriots that I have in my demographic being very fired up about the abortion issue I think your everyday voter really isn't I think the media spins it that way and that's the perception because of because of the media but I also think that actually what's going to decide the election is going to be pocketbook issues it's going to be safety or I call it kind of consider it the three prongs of security personal security National Security and economic security and you know that's what I'm hearing from voters in swing States as well well I want to ask you about the swing States tell us where have you been what swing states have you been covering visiting uh what are the polls like but the polls are kind of trailing indicators what is the mood on the ground of people you're talking to where are they seeing this going so I'm on the Eastern Seaboard I am based in Virginia which actually is kind of in conversations to be a swing State this year uh and then I also travel north and south of where I'm at so I also go to North Carolina which is just south of Virginia and then Pennsylvania which is just North so those are the three main states of uh my focus of my reporting at the post uh you know Pennsylvania I think everybody has been saying it so uh you know I'm I'm just going to be another voice in that category but Pennsylvania is the swing state as well as North Carolina actually Harris is there today um and Trump is not there himself but he's actually having an event with several surrogates several congressmen uh talking actually about policy uh you know believe it or not again I think that's something that voters care about and want to hear about um folks from and actually I think it's very clever that his team is engaging these congressmen because again policy there's only a very limited amount of policy that can come out of the executive branch uh there's obviously a lot of policymaking that has to go in Congress especially if we want that to be codified and so engaging those members early on that would be leaders um you know for some of Trump's agenda items I think is very clever that his team is doing that uh but yeah you know again voters I think again how I see it is the the security election it's Economic Security you know people want to know that when they go to work and they work their butts off that it's actually going to mean that they can afford to live uh you know it's National Security under Trump obviously again I'm not the first person to say this but under Trump we had no new Wars under Biden our foreign policy has been a complete mess uh and then again I think personal security you know I think that feeds in what border migrants are causing spikes and crime in communities all over this nation and uh again there's the line of every county is a border County you know I live in Northern Virginia um that's where I'm based when I'm not traveling with the swing state team and you know our crime rates just you know maybe not in my direct neighborhood but very close to where I live maybe 20 miles 10 miles away from where I am there's illegal immigrants committing crimes so they're getting through the very poor Southern border under the Biden Administration and they're going all over the the country and raking Havoc and people see that all over the nation Victoria we're going to have to leave it there thank you so much for your time absolutely fascinating I think that Economic Security point is going to be huge in Pennsylvania so we'll watch that with that tax proposal on overtime wages