it started programming like as a way to not be homeless it was between programming video editing and psychology just want programming cuz it's easier to learn online how do you learn online Harvard puts their computer science courses online you don't need to go to Harvard you can just like look at the Harvard class online it's crazy YouTube's like the best dude you can go on there and there's like a 100 part series of just this random guy in India doing a full course on Java or C or Python and it's all good quality stuff the same stuff you learn in college did you actually end up getting a job in that After High School yeah I worked for the government of Hawaii do they not check that like you went through like a program or anything they do care a lot less now because they know that you can just learn online there's like a lot of people at like SpaceX and Tesla especially the fan companies don't give a sh if you've been to college for programming they just want to know what you can do and like see your portfolio but like it doesn't matter how you know how to do it you just know how to do it