Tucker Carslon's Exclusive Full Interview of Vivek Ramasarmy & Robert Kennedy: Interesting to Anyone

ladies and gentlemen V from Swami wow love you guys this pretty [Applause] cool this is a real California here I like this oh yeah this is the good kind love you guys oh it's it is the coolest date oh breaks my heart so glad you're here this this a good kind yeah so we we were talking um we were talking backstage well I just said that I read your books oh thank you I appreciate that I spent so many years in TV selling other people's books that I'm I'm never selling anyone's book again and I wouldn't even bring up your book except I love it and it's called truths that's the new one that's coming out okay so this is why I'm bringing this up right now so I said he said I said what have you been doing I'm writing a book um it's almost done or it's done what's it called truths truths oh what are the truths and I said what are the truths and off the top of his head he listed them and I just thought it's so great you got to hear this what are the truths V yeah God is real there are two genders [Applause] fossil fuels are a requirement for human Prosperity reverse racism is racism an open border is not a border parents determine the education of their children the nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to mankind capitalism lifts us up from poverty there are three branches of government in the United States not four and the US Constitution is the strongest and greatest guarantor of freedom in human history so there's the 10 I love that now you don't have to buy the book so so you start with God is real yeah why so I think that's the ultimate truth and you know I say this in particular I put that first for a reason because you know a lot of people in thinking about I ran for US president it was new to think about somebody who is not of the Christian faith who was running for US president but is a person of deep faith and I think the beauty of the country is it was founded by people who believed that God put them here for a purpose right this country was founded against the backdrop of Divine Providence and so I think part of what's going on in the country is that especially young people people my age and I love a lot of young people here too our generation is so hungry for purpose right now we are hungry for a cause we're hungry for meaning we want to be part of something bigger than ourselves yet we can't even answer what it means to be an American but I think part of that hole in our heart it's what blae Pascal said he's a famous scientist 400 years ago he said that if you have a hold the size of God in your heart and does not fill it something else will instead you think about wokeism or transgenderism or climatism or cism or globalism or zalinskis or whatever the case may be that's a bad one but but but you see these things serially coming up over and over again they're substitutes for the real thing and I am a big fan of the Revival of faith in America not by force the beauty of this country is you don't have to if if it isn't natural to you but the Revival of faith in the real thing in true God and I think if we revive faith in this country we'd actually be much more united as a country as well but it it's interesting so you you just spent um one one of the everyone makes fun of politics and considers politicians loathesome which they are which I can confirm that yeah yeah but the one cool thing I like about campaigns and is it does force people who want to hold power to go meet a lot of people people and to get on the road and get to a lot of different places in this fast country and you said there is a Revival of Faith did you feel that on the road absolutely I mean there is a hunger for even people who are questioning what their actual beliefs were and sometimes when you do that you actually emerge stronger on the other side of it so I met a lot of people across the country say you're traveling in Iowa meet a lot of Evangelical Christians have a fair question ask question of can to be president that forced me to confront what a lot of my own beliefs were in a way that I wouldn't have if you weren't really pressed on it day to day and I think one of the traps you can fall into and at times I would catch myself falling into as well is you treat conversations as pattern recognition right so it's like okay that's where I turn on the auto script that sounds like the best answer to this question and I decided halfway through the campaign I'm not going to do that I'm going to treat every conversation as a unique ation probably talk to tens of thousands of people across this country and you know I hope I contributed something but I can tell you I definitely emerged as a stronger human being and a stronger person because of it and you know I think we don't do that enough in this country anymore is just you don't have to agree with me on everything and I have to agree with you on everything but the more we're able to just talk openly without a filter about questions like Faith about what our actual convictions are about what it means to be a citizen of this country one of the things that I learned is that this Narrative of national division is actually a myth I I do believe that and I'm not saying in some fake Kumbaya kind of way that oh we're all United because we agree on everything because we obviously don't but I think most people in the country do share the same National values in common the idea that you get to speak your mind or you do or I do as long as our neighbor gets to in return the idea that the people we elect to run the government ought to be the ones who actually run the government not some unelected bureaucrat as a Hired Hand issuing edicts from anai I think most people in America agree on these things or at least 80% do and 20% are younger than me who are never taught those ideals in the first place who we can bring along too and so that was probably the number one thing I took away from traveling the country is we had protesters at my events often my rule of thumb was unless they're being totally violent and disruptive we'll give them a mic they get to speak their mind as long as they sit down and listen to what everybody else has to say and there were some beautiful thing Beautiful Moments that came out of that that I didn't expect during the campaign and so I just do think in this true way and if you take away one thing from my own experience in the campaign it is that this myth of national division is just that it is a myth it serves certain interests of the people who perpetuate that myth but if we cut through that I think we are actually far more united United as a country then they will sell you and I think in a few months hopefully in about 2 to 3 months we may be seeing that on a scale that people may not expect I I I agree with that um this is of course everything is accelerating because of the election something happened yesterday that you know it it's getting harder and harder to be shocked by what the Biden Administration does um so much of it is unprecedented but something did Shock Me uh yesterday where the admin the Department of Justice so-called which is a grotesque really parody of a Department of Justice uh indicted two foreigners and named in the indictment three conservative podcasters internet figures all Trump supporters as somehow connected to a foreign country and immediately their content started disappearing from say YouTube they pulled a big documentary off YouTube this morning because the bid Administration said that yeah it's it's beyond belief so basically you have the Biden administration's Department of Justice shutting down criticism of the Biden Administration and I don't know if I'm going insane or I'm missing some B is anyone noticing this how is this allowed so so there's I'm glad you write this up there's definitely something really weird going on here so I don't have any facts any different than what other people have read about this in the last 24 hours but I do have a gut instinct about it that's pretty strong and it comes from just basic pattern recognition of the last two election Cycles okay by the way my background is an entrepreneur I have not been paying super close attention to American politics till about 2016 and then much more in 2020 and then of course I'm in the thick of it now but let me take those last two presidential elections so this myth of and does it exist some sort of foreign election attempts at interference of course it does it happens worldwide it happens here in the United States but this idea of Russian election interference in particular let's trace the history of that in each of the last two elections let's go to 2016 the the allegation of Russian election interference to support Donald Trump when you double click on that and look at what was the actual foreign election interference there it was actually us election interference in the US election through the steel dossier but laundered Through The Narrative of actual Russian interference and actually there was a Russian intered to perpetuate that attempt at election interference about Trump's Russia collusion hoax that's in 2016 now we get to 2020 again domestic election interference is the systematic suppression of the hunter Biden laptop story that didn't happen by Russian companies it didn't happen by the Russian government it happened by us social media companies acting at the direction of deep State actors in the US government that suppressed probably a story whose suppression changed the outcome of the 2020 presidential election but again what did they say they said no no no this was Russian disinformation so now you're seeing a pattern in 2016 there's domestic attempts at election interference but they run it through a Russian smoke screen in 2020 there's domestic election interference but they run it through a Russian smokees screen so this time around when I see merri Garland in the Department of Justice sitting under the Biden Administration suddenly alleging election interference by the Russians I don't have any facts other than to say my radar goes off and says I want to know where that election interference is actually beginning a lot of those allegations that they were somehow helping Trump I actually got curious actually you could make strong arguments that a lot of these posts or whatever actually weren't helping Trump at all but the fact that they called that Russian election interference again just suggests to me that this may be part of a pattern of what we saw in 2016 and 2020 well yeah think so I don't really buy what they're selling on this yeah is losing which she is she is she she's losing in the states that matter Pennsylvania Wisconsin Arizona it's amazing um so all of a sudden the other side is being funded by Russia of all the countries that interfere in our elections and there are many Russia's at the bottom of the list okay in terms of Effectiveness um but it's a little they're literally going back to the Russia Russia Russia well again yeah I think this is not a super clever group right I I think that I think the problem is they are actually a super clever group I think that this is just the beginning of a volley so this one's not going to land I think the public fool me once fool me twice shame on me fool me Thrice you know shame on you some whatever the expression is the reality is I think there's going to be some weird things that happen in the next two months I think there going to be some depending on what happens in the debate so I'm going to the debate next week in Phil Philadelphia it's going to be Tuesday I think it's going to be a probably a Donald Trump demol demolition destruction of the other side but but don't cheer too much right because I was at the last one and that's actually in some ways was a trap it was obviously a trap right they scheduled the earliest ever presidential debate in US history why did they do that it was obvious it was that they wanted to test Biden as a final trial balloon and they got a free option cuz if he did great great they turned the race upside down but if Biden did as poorly as he did they swapped him out it was something Unthinkable that became the obvious so I think if we have another debate SmackDown on Tuesday as I if I was a betting man I'd predict that's what we're about to have I also would predict we're going to have some very strange things that happen on the back of that as well and I think that in some ways the Republican party has just been so behind on this I'll probably make some people mad by you know lifting the curtain on this but last year to make the Republican Party debate stage the final condition is we had to sign all the candidates Ronald McDaniel's requirement I um had some words to say that it had a certain you know outcome there but but she she made a sign a beat Biden pledge and so this is in July or August of last year and I said this is this is dumb this is silly because we're not going to be running against Joe Biden so we're going to spend an entire year of Financial political and messaging Capital running against a candidate who is not the actual candidate we're going to run against but it was the beat Biden plge that was just the dogmatic messaging of the Republican party and what do you know a year and a half later we've wasted a lot of money a lot of time a lot of credibility with the public we even boosted The media's credibility because they got that last month where they got to criticize Joe Biden so now when they're not actually going after Kamala they still look evenhanded to the American public because they went after a Democrat most recently in some ways it was the worst of all worlds and so I think we need to get better as a movement I think as a Republican party on staying skeptical on skating to where the puck is going and I think ultimately the way we're going to win this is actually not even by focusing on kamla that's sort of where I've landed on this is you know people say she's a communist or she's you know a socialist or whatever I think that is giving her a little too much credit cuz it assumes she has an ideology I agree she doesn't have anide ideology right she she just she just doesn't most people in California here who know her she's just another Cog right she's another Cog in a machine we're not running against a candidate we are running against a system and the way we're going to win this is forget who they put up come if they make her the president before the election who knows whatever it is it doesn't matter if we actually win this by offering our own vision of who we are and what we actually stand for right individual family nation and God beat race gender sexuality and climate if we have the courage to stand for it but that's how we that's how we protect ourselves against what I think is going to be a complicated complicated couple of months ahead is what I predict so smart and I I don't we talked about off stage I won't bore everyone here but what you're going to do next but I I think it's fair to predict that you will remain part of of what you're part of now which is an effort to save the country um but I think we're falling for it for sure the idea that KLA Harris is like an actual person I'm sure she can fog a mirror but beyond that she's just decipher she'll be whatever you want her to be can I mean pay her enough she'll be a radical vegan or anti-circumcision activist or whatever it doesn't matter she might even build a wall CL she wants to 100% you know she's a kind of sad puppet clearly unhappy terrified I mean I know benzo deas use when I see it and I'm like that chick's had some Xanax just vacant she's afraid she wakes up afraid every morning and you can tell the people who are afraid which is a lot of people and she's Chief among the fearful but anyway the Republicans fell for it the leadership fell for it they're falling for it now and they also fell and I hope you'll flush this out a little bit they fell for the idea that the media act independently of the democratic party M yeah I I think so I mean I think that that's an that's a trap we have repeatedly fallen into over the last eight years but I I just think this idea it's not an accident that you get Joe Biden then K Harris there are a lot of intelligent people who are believe it or not intelligent people they have high IQ brain power they can make their own decisions they're thinkers who are Democrats people on the left ideologues who people like you and I might disagree with but some of whom you and I might actually be friends with because we respect them even though we disagree with them it's not an accident that you get Joe Biden and then a kamla Harris and then the next puppet they put up Biden has cognitive deficits right those are not a bug they are a feature for the people who control him kamla Harris has a different kind of deficit she has policy deficits cognitive deficits You could argue those are also again not a bug they're a feature for the people who actually operate the papa and so I think that it's going to be a losing game unless we see ourselves as running against that system and I think this is actually going to be let's assume Victory here right let's let's fast forward it's not just winning the election it's actually are we actually going to do what conservatives Republicans when they've governed have long failed to do I think we fall the real myth we've fallen into is this trap of believing that we can reform this system that we're going to reform the Deep state that we're going to fire Christopher Ray or whoever at the top of the FBI and put in a new Figure Head On Top that we're going to reform the bureau ocracy and I think that reform is just a myth right it's impossible we're not running against it's not that Christopher Ray is an individual bad actor at the top of the FBI he's just another Cog in the system just like KL Harris just like Joe Biden and so the question for us the real test for us I think Tucker is not going to be the election in November it is going to be whether we have the spine to actually see through and do the hard thing that we've never done before nobody's done it no you know Donald Trump in his first the closest we've gotten but nobody's really stepped up and said no no no no are we actually going to try to reform and massage this thing to incrementally window dress it and advance to our own goals or are we actually going to get in there and shut it down and I think that is the one answer that will save this country and and I I'm supporting Donald Trump because I believe he's he's the man who is going to be the best suited to get that job done but the real test comes not in November but after that to me I mean I couldn't agree with you more and I'm thrilled to hear that I I think I spent 35 years living in Washington so I have some appreciation for how rotten the system is it's so rotten yeah it's like mindboggling actually um but in order to shut it down or in order to make the changes necessary to preserve the country you're going to have to actually ignore the media yeah and why can't Republicans do that so so I actually met uh I met Georgia Maloney when she came to to the United States not that long ago she's a good she's a good leader so I had a good conversation with her she gave me a tactic I'm going to try it you know if if I'm in the position if I'm if I'm in a comparable position ever and I think anybody who's in a comparable position of leadership to do the same thing she said she doesn't read the newspaper she say I couldn't tell you what's on the front page of the newspaper I couldn't tell you what's on television I just talk to people that's all I need to talk to and then I make the decisions that actually need to be made that'd be my recommendation to every Republican politician I don't follow it I have to I have to admit I only pick this up after my campaign but if I were to run my campaign again if I was to go back in time and do it again that'd probably be the number one thing that I would do too you don't need to watch it you don't need to you could participate in it you could actually you know take a hostile interview anybody wants to but whatever the headline is whatever the TV commentary is social media commentary in some way don't even bother looking at it just talk to those tens of thousands of people across the country where you actually learn that that myth of division that you're the whole thing was false you can just call the bluff by literally switching it off and pretending it doesn't exist I think it's actually a pretty good tactic oh I haven't had TV in many years and I worked in TV you know I don't think a lot of crack dealers leave it around the kitchen you know what I mean yeah this is an ugly product I don't want it in my house um but you know I totally agree but it's just interesting even now I know Republican leaders who probably pretty well-meaning people who if they get attacked on Twitter and the New York Times or if Chuck Todd um of NBC News I mean it's all like a joke but if they say something critical of the politicians we have to deal with this why to just Hoist the middle finger and laugh I've never understood we did some of that during the campaign but well you did for sure but but I think that and and and you know I was surprised by what an effect some of that actually had that was actually one of probably the unexpected successes that I did have in my campaign I only got 8% of the vote in Iowa but actually in taking down a lot of the media and exposing you know a lot of that corruption I think that that's that's important work to continue to do there's a risk I mean there's always and here's what I would say we talked about shutting down the Deep State we talk about taking on the media here's here's the honest truth you're always taking some risk it's just a question of which risk you're willing to take so in the context of speaking back in the context of when the media is attacking you or you're confronting a hard truth one one risk you might take is that you're going to be too unfiltered that you're just going to take your filter off say too much and say something that offends somebody that's a risk I've done it I've made that mistake I don't think you've ever made that mistake but I but I I've made that mistake and that's one risk you're always going to take that risk the other risk is that you self-censor and you say that okay because I'm going to offend somebody I'm actually going to restrict what I say and think three times before every utterance I make both of them are risks his only question is which risk are you willing to take same thing with respect to reforming the government right I say get in there and shut it down Fine what does that mean I would fire 75 plus per of all federal bureaucrats on day one shut down the FBI the ATF the CDC the Department of Education just shut him the hell down all right but you're taking I mean just shut it down now now you're taking a risk right I mean am I going to tell you that's the exact perfect amount we need to cut I can't tell you that you might take either the risk that you're going to cut so much fat that you also cut some muscle or you're otherwise taking the other risk that you're not cutting enough fat you're eight-headed Hydra you cut one off it grows right back it's just a question of which risk you're willing to take and there's times in American history where one of those might be the right risk or the other but right now I think we live in a moment where the risk you need to take and it's not just me or Tucker or Donald Trump or anybody else the risk every one of you needs to take is when you're the only person in a room who believes what you do for God's sake stand up and say it say it with the spine don't apologize for your beliefs say in public what you will say in private at the dinner table and you might offend somebody that's a risk you're taking but take the risk when we put Donald Trump back in the White House hold him or and JD Vance or me or anybody else who's part of it accountable to say you said you want to get in there and actually drain the swamp and attack the Deep state by God's sake get in there and actually do it and you're going to take a risk is it going to be perfect there's going to be some bumps along the way but that's just the risk that we choose to take and so that's kind of where I land on this is It's not that I'm giving you some perfect answer it's just that that's the risk that I believe we need to take and I'm willing to take and You' you well you have taken that risk and I just have to ask sorry that there are people watching but I'm going to anyway what effect has that had on your personal life your friendships your family because people don't say what they really think because they worry about the cost what's it been for you yeah I mean I think so it's been different stages of it okay so initially so I'll tell you this there's a lot of people in the campaign there's there's a lot of things that I would do differently too so a lot of people who worked for me in past companies I've LED for example or close friends one of their frustrations that they've shared with me now the six eight months since is he everybody got to see you as the fighter that's great but that's not the side of you that we know there's more of you than that and the risk you're taking there is my philosophy in the campaign pain was somebody hits you you hit them back 10 times harder I don't care if you're a republican Democrat that's how we're going to run those and and at some point you that's the way you got to you got to proceed in the first step but I also preach to myself what I would teach my two sons is that the number one person who's most responsible for whether or not you achieve your goal it's not the only Factor but the number one factor of whether or not you achieve your goal is actually you and I set out to achieve a goal last last year I didn't achieve it and I think that I could blame the media I could blame a lot of the Consultants I could blame a lot of factors along the way but you know at the end of the day I think that there's a lot that I would probably do differently as well to make sure that I'm able to allow the people of the country to see the whole of who I am and that's one of the hardest things to do as a politician because you ask about friends and family that's the thing that probably hurt my family the most is not that they couldn't deal with the insults or the the dirty of partisan politics but the sense that there's someone they know but the impression that the public is given is of a very different person that disconnect was probably the thing that was hardest on my wife and and probably some of my closest friends but you know they're tough they can handle it and they were still supportive of what we did and it's a process that bruises you a little bit there's some sort of wounds and scars that never fully heal but I got to thank my family who was I got a three year- old and now four-year-old son he was three during the campaign came with me to every campaign event my wife is a surgeon who did not actually sacrifice seeing one patient over the course of the year that she was supposed to see and still traveled with me for the entire campaign and during that pain and you know what those are the you know they're the people that got me through it as well I judge Men by their wives and I liked you much more after meeting her I have to say um that's fair no I do I do I'm very judgy that way um was there any poit so you came from business you had a really successful business career and then you became so distressed after writing these books about what was happening in America that you want for president but you weren't a politician you had contempt for politicians were there any you met who you were impressed by yeah a good number actually actually I I say this not in some sort of like large scale flattery but I actually have been more impressed by Donald Trump The more I've actually gotten to know him and I say that because he's also somebody who I know how hard it was for me to sort of make the TR I lived a good life Donald Trump lived a good life but to be able to lay that down and actually say no no no this is my purpose in calling I'm not going to stop at anything I probably wouldn't have run for president if he hadn't done it first so I got to give credit where credit's due there I think when I think about other other people who I respect I like a guy like take a ran Paul or Thomas Massie right guys who that they're probably the ones who get closest to that Georgia Maloney model of like not giving a crap about what the Press has to say but they're actually just going to step up and say it anyway I've only got to know Thomas Massie a little bit more recently but ran Paul have gotten to know over the course of the last couple of years and his father Ron Paul I would give even greater credit to for blazing that trail so yeah there there's a longer list of others I could I could probably give you but uh not that much longer but but I would say there's a handful of people that that gave me you know real inspiration that somebody with conviction that doesn't compromise on it can still drive change and those would be some of the guys I'd give you I strongly agree with you I've spent my whole life really despising politicians not just on principal but also personally um as people and I feel that way about most of them still with a lot of evidence but I have to say I look around and there are more people I admire I can't believe I'm saying this in politics than really at any time I can remember and I think there's so much pressure downward exerted pressure on all of us to obey to repeat the lies to get in line that the people who refuse to do that are extraordinary people and our our special guest tonight we're I'm about to ask on is one of those people and he's in the rare position of typically you know a public career begins and people are so impressed by the person and then they see his flaws and he falls from Grace the person we're about to invite on is the only person I've ever met who spent I don't know 20 years being denounced pretty much every week by every single news organization in the world as a dangerous mentally ill lunatic making totally unsupported anti-scientific claims about totally safe medical products and this man in the face of opposition that no politician I've ever seen ever seen including from within his own tribe and family he persisted in saying what he thought was true and I've known this man for a while and I've admired him for a long time and what's amazing is to wake up in a country that in some ways is not getting better but to wake up in a country that all of a sudden has stopped mocking this man as a crazy person and it started to realize that the lone Brave voice may have been right all along and so it's an honor to introduce Robert F Kennedy Jr so we we had this conversation last week that I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of people on camera but the conversation that we had the things that you said to me last week I will not forget and it's from an Outsiders perspective it seems like your public career has not only not ended in some way it's beginning in a new way in a really powerful way and you described um you described three issues that are Central not just to your politics but to your to your life um and if I'm remembering correctly I think they were slowing down the number of people who are killed abroad in Wars okay we have a lot of Wars opposing the pointless ones um protecting the natural environment that God created for us to enjoy nature and protecting the health of children and I think those are the three things you mentioned I'm wondering if you could just expand on that love [Applause] you I I got into my career was most of it was spent in Environmental Protection and I went to work in 1983 for a blue collar Coalition of commercial and recreational fishermen who mobilized to reclaim the Hudson River from its polluters and they were people um who were capitalists they came from an industry that was 350 years old is the oldest commercial fishery in North America on the Hudson River and they saw this industry destroyed not because it had any intrinsic flaws but because a large company the general electric company had been able to use its political clout to do something illegal which was to dump its toxic pcbs into the Hudson River and I when I first started working on the Hudson there were 2500 families working on the river enriching our culture our pallet our economy um the life of the Hudson Valley connecting us to our history to the to our Landscapes um to the waterways and the 10 20,000 generations of human beings that were here before they were laptops they were using the same fishing methods that were taught by the alonquin Indians to the original Dutch settlers and New Amsterdam and then passed down through the generations and all of a sudden they couldn't fish anymore because there were plenty of fish in the Hudson but they were loaded with toxic pcbs and the state of New York said you can't eat them and they recognized that you know these were capitalists they were people small business people and they realized that that government was in cahoots with the polluters and that if they wanted to reclaim the river for themselves they were going to have to do it themselves they went to the government agencies the core of engineers the conservation department the Coast Guard and they were given the bums rush they were told these are important people we can't force them to comply with the law and they came to the conclusion the only way they were going to restore the river is if they confronted the polluters directly they found an ancient navigational statute called the 1888 Rivers Harbors act that allowed people to prosecute pooters and then collect bounties and they started suing polluters they hired me as their attorney J in 1984 we brought cases against over 500 successful cases on the Hudson we forced belters to spend about 5.5 billion dollars remediating the river and today the Hudson is the richest waterway in the North Atlantic and my experience was was different than a lot of environmental as um who have a kind of look but don't touch my experience was about people who their communities were absolutely the people who were part of that commercial fishery it it dictated the purity of the Hudson the abundance of the fishery dictated their livelihoods their property values their recreational values it was their social safety net if you you know if you lost your job you could still fish you could feed your family and that was something that the state of New York the constitution of the state says the people the state own the rivers they own the waterways the state they're not owned by the conservation department they're not owned by the General Electric Company they're not owned by the big polluters they're owned by the people everybody has a right to use them and nobody can use them in a way that will diminish or injure their use en joint by others every child in New York has an a constitutional right to throw a plug into the river and bring out a stripe B and bring it home and feed it to their family that that was the essential you know that lesson that I learned there about agency capture then allowed me to kind of understand have a model or a blue print for the things that I saw when I started studying the pharmaceutical industry and and so those are critical issues the other is I came into the you know this campaign three major issues one was the censorship and you and I feel the same way and any government that can silence its critics has the has a license for any kind of atrocity and can I just repeat that any government that can silence its critics has a license for any kind of atrocity right put that on your refrigerator cuz that's true and you know Hamilton Adams and Madison said that we put the freedom of speech in the First Amendment because all the other Bill rights are dependent on it and sure enough when the government found out discovered that it could censor our speech in early 2020 silence doctors silenc mothers silence people who were uh you know people scientists who were saying wait there are other alternatives to what we're what you're doing a lockdowns aren't going to work the masks have no signs behind them the social distancing has no signs those people were silence they were marginalized they were vilified they were demonized and as soon as the government figured out that it could get away with that it went after all of our other constitutional rights the first thing it did is it it went after the other leg of the First Amendment which is freedom of religion it closed every Church in our country for a year with no scientific citation it went after the third leg of the First Amendment which is freedom of assembly with these very bizarre social distancing regulations that again they now admit we not science-based they went after then the Fifth Amendment which is property rights they closed 3.3 million businesses with no due process no just compensation no scientific citation no notice and comment rule making no public hearings all the things that I been suing governments and corporations for 40 years all the indicia of democracy that [Applause] are that that government officials have to go through before they deprive us of Rights and none of that happened and they went after the Seventh Amendment which B jury which which the seventh amendment gives us the right to jury trials it's the seventh amendment is very simple it says no Americans shall be denied the right of a trial before a jury of their peers in case their controversies exceeding $25 that's all it says there's no pandemic exception and by the way the framers the Constitution knew all about pandemics there were two epidemics during the Revolutionary War one of them a malaria epidemic that decimated the armies of Virginia and then a smallpox epidemic that decimated the armies of New England at the very time when Benedict Arnold who was our greatest General conquered Montreal so we were in the inner city of Montreal we controlled Montreal which meant we controlled Canada and he had to withdraw his troops cuz he could not hold the city cuz so many of his troops were down a small part otherwise Canada today would be part of the United States but for that small boox epidemic and the framers all knew that and when they gathered 10 years later nine years later Philadelphia to ratify the Bill of Rights between the end of the Revolution and the ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1792 there were epidemics in every city that killed tens of thousands of people malaria epidemics with small Ox yellow fever tyus typhoid chera so they all knew about epidemics yet they did not put an epidemic exception in the Constitution they wrote that document for Hard [Applause] Times what one of the things you bring that up Bobby and I think one of the things we often fall into the Trap of in an election year is to see let's take the most important of those amendments the First Amendment through a partisan lens do we have a Democratic party that has been using social media companies to silence speech through the back door that they could not through the front door absolutely we have is that somebody we need something we need to hold them accountable for absolutely but I but I think that if we're to this one of the things I love about you Tucker is you're willing to challenge people 360 Degrees I don't care if you're a Republican or not is yeah I had conversations with a number of Republicans in the last week who are in appropriately against Brazil for its Banning of X which is preposterous actually this is a major Western supposedly Allied Nation the very people who claim that we want to stand for human rights and democracy abroad have nothing to say when it comes to Brazil Banning a social media platform but then I challenge some of these same people because I know what their views are in this question to say gee it seems sounds like a pretty bad idea for a government of a a supposedly free country that just bans outright a social media platform because they don't like the way that it operates and here's the part where we challenge our own people that's exactly what the US government has done with respect to a platform that I don't love that much I don't like it I don't like many aspects of it all Tik Tok but I do think that we live in one of these moments where the trap in an election year this one of the things I loved about your candidacy Bobby is leaving the Democratic party to run as an independent allowed you to do what more of us in either party need to be doing is question the orthodoxies of both parties and go back to First principles of what's in the US Constitution and you got have the same shoe fit the other foot whether you're a Democrat or Republican and that's one of the things I loved about the way you ran your campaign man thank you I saw vice president Harris this week uh gave a a statement where she said that um she said two things she said one that that Elon Musk better watch out because if because if he abused free speech on Twitter that he would get that privilege taken away from him it's not a privilege yeah oh and it isn't a privilege as you know it's a right and and she said he gave a press conference in which he said that these companies need to be punished for putting disinformation and misinformation and hate speech up on the internet and uh the thing is with the and and and vice president candidate um walls said the First Amendment does not protect disinformation and misinformation but but that's not right the first amendment protects disinformation and it protects misinformation and it protects lies it protects all speech it was not written for the speech that we all want to hear it was written to protect the speech that nobody wants to hear [Applause] and we have uh Democratic party the party I grew up in and the word liberal is a derivative from of the of a the term for free speech so that was the central core of this party when I was growing up my father my uncle loved this country so much because of the they love the the freedom to debate have conversations the free this this idea that the the free flow of information was the was the sunlight it was the soil it was the it was the water for democracy and without it democracy would wither and die they knew that oh I have a case right now against the Biden Administration and I was just granted an injunction in the federal courts but Kennedy versus Biden and judge Dodie the federal judge in that decision wrote in the earlier decision he wrote 155 page decision that details what we now know about the Biden White House's censorship program and what do details in this is that 37 hours after he took the O of office swearing to uphold the Constitution which is includes the First Amendment he began opened up a portal and ordered the social media companies Facebook Instagram YouTube Twitter to begin censoring his political critics and on medical information but also other information as well including CR criticism the Ukraine war and I was the first person that they began that they ordered Facebook to censor Facebook actually pushed back at one point and said you know they Facebook complied and took down my entire Instagram account with almost a million followers but they couldn't find a single factual misstatement error on my Instagram account and Facebook during the email exchange which we now have pushes back at one point and says this is actually not factually erronous I and so they had to coin a new word which was Mal information Bel which is information factual assertions that are technically correct but are nevertheless inconvenient for the government it is and they ordered Facebook to censor misinformation disinformation and Mal information so that portal which they open they the Biden White House turned over to the FBI to manage so the FBI participating in the censorship of American citizens engaging in political speech the FBI then invited the CIA CA which is a group that you may not have heard of but it is the center of the censorship industrial complex the DHS the IRS which I don't know what they were censoring I'm larger platform and uh an NIH CDC and FDA do you agree with that to participate in this censorship project and I I now have an injunction against the Biden White House from doing that to me [Applause] anymore but it's troubling to me for the very reason if v v just mentioned about what happened in Brazil and Tucker you and I talked about this woring emergence now of totalitarianism in all the Western democracies like nothing that I could have ever imagined Europe no longer has free speech Europe has uh is now the European Union is officially censoring information on the internet and you know the the head of the the European commission a man named tyri Bretton recently sent a letter to Elon mus saying that if he aired an edited version a live interview with President Trump on X that he would be fine as much as 6% of the value of the company and and then France a week later arrest okay I'll get it pav dero when he land the founder of telegram wnes when he lands on a gas stop a fuel stop ful built in France this is particularly alarming because France had as as robust a a passion and tradition for free speech as we had in this country during the American Revol or during the French Revolution 1789 the French Republic adopted all of these very very strong laws guaranteeing freedom of speech and then in the 1880s they passed another of laws again protecting free speech and they guarded that and nurtured that as much as we did in this country as much as any country in the world so to see France do this and and by the way there's no reason for them to arrest him because he's a citizen of Abu Dhabi France has a um a an extradition agreement with Abu Dhabi so they can exite him furthermore the European Union already is censoring content so they went an extra step to arrest and punish this person and put him in prison to send a message to all of us that you know about who's in charge and that is terrifying to me I have so many Democratic friends know Jimmy door was on here earlier fantastic and he was talking about January 6th and what I say is people broke the law on January 6th if you broke the law you should be punished but was the Republic threatened on January 6th was right and even if if even you know if a building was burned down it's not the end of the Republic it is not and you have the US military there you have these agencies we have institutions in our country that are still functioning we have a congress Etc that would resist the violent overthrow of an American government and I don't think we were close to a violent overthrow of the American government but those attacks on Free Speech to me are a genuine existential threat to democracy and the Republic amen so the question is you I I think you've correctly described and I hope you will say it every every time you speak publicly and I I hope to do the same that we're watching the transformation of the Free World into a totalitarian system I don't think that's an overstatement and so the questions for each of you start with you aake how do we stop that because if we don't then we're done yeah so I um I agree with everything Bobby said I think there's two steps to stopping it that I want to highlight though I do worry about what's happening in England I do what's wor worry about what's happening in Brazil and France and other Allied supposedly free Nations but I worry most about when it's happening right here at home in the United States of America and so the best step to stopping the rise of this authoritarianism around the world is to first stop it permanently here in the United States of America and I do think that that is especially important even for the world because as much as you you correctly laid out France's history even if you look at even France but let alone the other countries none of those other countries put the First Amendment first right so we can preach to other countries about their failure to respect Free Speech but our whole national identity like who we are as Americans the existence of this country the fact that we all call ourselves American that only means something in reference to our actual rights that we have given the people of this country since 1776 so it goes to the heart of our own national identity itself so the first thing I would say tucker is yes are we seeing it around the world yes but fixing the problem starts right here at home the second thing I would say this is the harder part is that as much as the three of us here and we're in lock step alignment on being free speech absolutists on this stage as much as we can point our finger at the government and its overreach of working with corporations and working through backdoor government regulation and backdoor action to suppress and Silent speech that only works if you have a population that is willing to comply okay and I think that there's another half of this problem that if we're being really honest with ourselves we have to talk about which is what is it inside each of us that makes us as so many are want to bend the knee to that new regime and we can complain about the regime all we want we're missing the other half of the problem unless we also fill that void that causes people to bend that knee right if you don't pledge allegiance to the American flag you're going to pledge allegiance to a different flag instead if you don't believe in God you're going to believe in a new false idol instead and so I think that that's the harder part we need to fix in this country is that Revival of purpose and meaning and grounding ourselves in our identity As Americans and I think if we do if we get that part right if we as a citizenry we as individuals say no no no nobody's going to tell me or shame me or threaten me to do anything other than express my opinion and tell you who I am and what I believe then I think the government part will actually solve itself along with it and so some of that's not just on the government it's on us and they put the Second Amendment after the first amendment for a reason it's the one that puts the teeth into all of the others and that too is part of what our founding fathers envisioned since 1776 that's what I think Bobby are you are you hopeful that the tide of totalitarianism can be turned and if so how I think it all uh depends on this election is I don't think that and I you know I try not to um bad mouth other candidates because I know I just I I think you know my Approach is to try to dampen the vitri all and the anger and the the hatred I think we have to stop hating each other but I don't from the from the statements that comml Harris makes and that her vice president makes I don't think they have a have a clear vision of what the country is supposed to look like I don't think they understand the first amendment I don't think they understand the Constitution I saw kamla you know at the convention and she gave a speech that was very bellicose and belligerent it was like it was a kind of speech that was written by neocons and the CIA they had a they the first time in history they had a CIA former director speaking right before Leon Panetta and military people speaking at the Democratic Convention democratic convention was a you know was a Democrat with the Anning War party they were the pro Constitution party they were the party that was against Wall Street and against and and representing the little guys the cops the firefighters Union and labor people and I talked to you about this on the show last week in the 2020 election roughly 50% of the people in this country voted for Donald Trump and but that group that voted for Donald Trump represented 30% of the wealth in our country the 50% of the people that voted for Joe Biden represented 70% of the wealth there's been an inversion now where the Republican party has become the party of the Common Man of working people of the middle class and the Democratic party has become the party of Wall Street of the military industrial comp Lex a big Pharma big agriculture um big big Tech the big banking systems and all of the what you know what Donald Trump calls the Deep state which is this this web of financial interest that not is not necessarily a little conspiracy but it's a conspiracy of self-interest that functions together in tandem to shift wealth upward to clamp down totalitarian controls and to transform this country from the world's exemplary democracy into a uh a corporate kleptocracy and a very very oppressive oligarchical system the kind of system that we fought a revolution to overthrow in 1776 wow bless you for saying that okay I have a I have a final question for for each of you and it's one of the reasons that I'm fascinated by you both respect you both and I'm grateful that you're here neither one of you needs to be doing this you both just ran you both dropped out you both kept going again you're not doing it for the money you're not doing it for the agulation the media hates you both doesn't make your life no it's true doesn't make your life less complicated it's incredibly tiring and in some points tiresome but you persist both why for f gratitude I think that my parents gained this country with no money 40 years ago and in a single generation what have I found in multi-billion doll companies my wife lived the American dream we're raised in two boys in Ohio thankfully God with God's blessings healthily and happily it is my sense of gratitude to this country to have made possible what my parents or Me growing Up would have never imagined was possible and you know what I I uh I've been given a lot of thought to this idea of obviously we say it a lot making America great again and you know of course there's a nostalgia in that right the country that my parents came into we we talk about the Melting Pot back in the 1990s this notion of assimilating into one country which had a common identity that's now become a microaggression so there's certain elements of what we missed from the 19 90s the idea that the best person gets the job regardless of their skin color or the idea that you know what you get to speak your mind as long as I get to in return these basic quaint ideas we want to bring that back but for me I think that's not good enough actually I think that we in some ways part of America isn't just making America great again it's I think this is what Donald Trump means it when this second time around you can hear it between the lines of what he says it's what moves me too is I want to make America greater than it's ever been before actually I think our best days as a country can still actually be ahead of us and as a relatively young person you know I hope my best days are still ahead of me I don't take that for granted every day is a blessing and we wake up tomorrow that's a gift too but I hope my best days are ahead of me and I do think it's also going to take some people from the Next Generation to make a country whose best days are ahead ahead of us too and so I don't know what form that's going to take for me in the next step but whatever it is we're going to keep going and each play our part and uh if we each do I think that not in some fake politician way but in a true way I think we are going to make America greater than it's ever been before and that's what we're shooting for in November thank you Bobby it has been a long slog for you and you are more energetic and energized than ever it seems to me why are you doing this well I I talked to you a moment ago about what I see as a Devolution of American democracy and how it's turning into something that is um that is I I I would describe as a totalitarian system and I see because of what I've been doing for 20 years working on chronic disease issues and what I did for 20 years before that working on environmental issues I see how these Powers these these economic aggregations um Can commoditize everything if they commoditize the water they commoditize they steal it from the public they they turn it in when General Electric dump pcbs the Hudson it was privatizing all the fish LS and turning them into its own private property that they privatize our Landscapes the purple mountains majesty and then when I started fighting on public health isues I saw how they're privatizing our children they're literally stealing their health we have we have in this country now the sickest children in the world we have the highest chronic disease uh burden of Any Nation on earth when my uncle was President we were spending we we had 6% of Americans had chronic disease today almost 60% do and when my uncle was president I was a boy we spent zero on chronic disease in this country today we spent 4.3 trillion and that money is going upward into the pockets of certain people and mainly it's the pharmaceutical industry the the the most the the mo the the the most valuable asset in America today is a sick child cuz if you can get a child sick with they're very young and get them dependent on OIC and adderal and insulin and uh and seizure medication you have now a client for life that is spending is generating thousands of dollars potentially a week in revenue for these interests and so I see how they're commoditizing everything they're stealing everything we value and there ultimately that comes from them being able to overrun our constitutional rights and I saw it during Co I saw the whole thing in in miniature you know compressed time exactly what they're up to and I remember in 20120 in August I was in Berlin I was giving a speech to 1.3 million people who had come from all over Europe it was like Woodstock but for for political freedom because they saw what was happening with these mandates it came from every nation in Europe to protest them and I was I gave a speech I ran into an NBC film crew there and they were all wearing masks and they said to me why aren't you wearing a mask you're in this big crowd shaking hands aren't you scared of of dying and I said there's things that scare me a lot more than dying and and they said like what and I said like losing my constitutional rights like having like having my children grow up in an America where they cannot speak freely and criticize their political leaders and I we had a whole gener eration in 1776 of people of men and women who gave their fortunes they gave their property they gave their status and their lives to giving us this constitution to giving us this incredible gift and we became the template for the rest of the world in 1776 we were the only democracy on Earth by 1865 there were five by the time my uncle was President about 130 and by the end of the 1960s there were 190 all based on the American model so we truly were the exemplary democracy we were the hope the light for the whole world and you know today we've lost our we've lost our role as a model nobody wants the system we have uh We've L we're no longer a moral Authority we've erod at this through this Dynamic and I you know I don't want that for my children I want my children to grow up with a hope with a love for this country that I had I'll say one other thing and and in 2013 there was a poll where they asked Young Americans under the age of 35 are you proud to be an American 85% said yes the same poll taken six months ago 177% said yes we have a whole generation that's lost their pride in being an American citizen and they've lost hope for their own Futures and we had a generation in 17 76 20,000 of them died a huge number it' be like a million people today to give us our Constitution and you know they they said to us that every generation must water the tree of Liberty with its own blood if you're going to hold on to this so it's not something that I want to do I I have a really good life and I had a and I had a great family that loved me I still have a a nuclear family that loves me um but and I have a big big family now [Applause] too but I you know I didn't I really didn't feel like I had a choice I felt like I had I have to do do this the same reason people left their homes at 1776 to do something for an idea and I want to keep that idea for my kids well God bless you for that and God bless you be what an amazing experience a wonderful experien this has been thank you and thank you [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] the big tech companies censor our content I hate to tell you that it's still going on in 2024 but you know what they can't censor Live Events that's why we are hitting the road on a fall tour for the entire month of September Coast to Coast we'll be in cities across the United States we'll be in Colorado Springs with tulsey Gabbert