Yahoo New Top-25! Steals, busts and changes in the 1st and 2nd rounds!

[Music] [Music] [Music] all right get hyped you jerks we got a brand new Yahoo board as of this morning what the hell is today Tuesday yeah it's Tuesday August 27th it's yahoo board Edition number two uh and it happened a bit later than we expected like a solid nine days I think later than expected the first board uh lasted for 19 days that's way longer than we thought it was going to kick but it was dragged out kicking and screaming now we got a brand new board up and today we will start our new exploration because and I say this quite genuinely Yahoo this board is a lot better than the last one they are much much closer the values are tighter the busts are closer to where they belong names bounced up some bounced up some bounced down but by and large like I'm getting attacked by a moth early show here again I don't know what's going on I think there's an issue maybe it's in this golf bag over here every once like one every three days a little tiny moth comes out by and large more often than not not everything is perfect but they did get better which means the values are harder to find and we need to find them welcome to old man squad fantasy basketball I'm Dan bis you can find me on Twitter Dan besbris d nbb r i s when we do mock drafts we put the call out on Twitter reason number one to follow me over there we'll also have a lot of content on social media you can also follow our Network feed at Oldman Squad that's where all the podcasts get posted that's where our uh other hosts are able to interact it's where those shows get posted please do give that a follow and it will follow you back and I ask you again before we dive in face first Wham out face first right into the rock that is today's show please click that thumbs up button on YouTube please please please please pretty please and subscribe if you like what we've been doing here on the old man squad and if you have a moment Apple Spotify in particular please drop that festar review the new board is different than the old board the new board is different than the old board with with the exception of numbers 1 through 4 number eight number 11 and that's it I believe in the top 25 everything else is different those names that St the same are Victor wanyama nicoa yic Luca donic Shay gilis Alexander Jason Tatum and Trey young everybody else moved which is not that surprising because as you move down the board it's just easier to bounce from place to place and there's more guys that can move around you what is kind of fun and we'll just start at the top we're going to go through Today's Show one by one I'll tell you the guys that I like and the guys I don't like as we work our way through especially now that they're in a new spot so some of that information actually actually changes from the last time we did this top 25 edition of the show wemi joic Luca and Shay top four the fact that they stayed the same means my feelings pretty much stay the same which is that I prefer joic over wemi at the top of the board you guys can yell at me all you want it's not like I don't like wanyama he is my number two but I'm still a yic man it's probably because in my heart of hearts I remain a roto guy first I love the fact that joic is very good at points and steals out of the big man spot he is Hyper Elite in rebounds assists and field goal percent he is good at free throws he is fine at Blocks he's really only a negative in three pointers which again 1.1 out of a center I think we can all live with that and it's just such an incredible foundational piece for your team you can build in so many directions some people are like I like to go wmi and then I just immediately punt field goal percent because you know odds are field goal percent maybe gets a little bit better maybe you don't have to punt it blah blah blah like Lots tied up in Blocks he's going to be really good I mean it's why he's the number two but with yic or wemi you don't know who's coming back to you at pick 23 24 25 26 you don't know who's going to still be on the board the reason I like joic is it just gives you more Avenues you can go you can lead into being bad at three- pointers you could lean into being good at boards or assists or percentage or steals if you take a scorer it helps I mean you could do it with wemi also but with with Victor who's also by the way going to be very good in steals this year because his arms are 9,000 feet long you kind of have to make sure your blocks stay good rebounds is a Hyper Elite category he probably gets pretty good in scoring I don't know that he gets much much beyond what joic did this last year at 26 that's a pretty big number threes are going to be pretty good I would think so you have these Avenues but there's just more options with joic and that's why I prefer him over wemi because you just like whatever players are left you can kind of pick any of them whatever you like best in the second and third round and suddenly you just have a magically great team build I don't want to spend too much time on the top four so very quickly Luca donic at three is the consensus three um obviously fits the head-to-head mold better because he is Hyper Elite in scoring threes boards assists and pretty damn good in steals he gives you those five foundational categories he's fine in the percentages now much better than he used to be but uh there is you know the negative free throws a negative turnovers are a huge negative Luca's obviously amazing in eight category leagues and in a lot of head-to-head spots you go that direction uh the problem with LCA right now is since the last time we did one of these top 25 shows his playoff calendar came out and he has a two- game week in there in Yahoo public leagues it's the first week of the playoffs so you could get knocked out early if you're ending a few weeks early he might be your finals so that is a reason to maybe overlook him the problem of course is that Shay who was also amazing last year doesn't have as many foundational categories that are easy to build on on the head to head side he has just as many for Roto Kay is also very very good in scoring not not quite Luca level but excellent excellent in steals although that was a number that came down partway through the year so just keep that in the back of your head and he's terrific in both percentages which is great four awesome categories for Roto building or head-to-head building but in head-to-head building on the percentages making those your focal point with your first round pick is troubling it's nice if those are a byproduct of having a very good first round pick but they don't have to be the focal point and frankly with free throws being as uh the variance in those as much as they are I would argue more than field goal because guys just take more field goal attempts over the course of the week so it's harder for that to bounce around and then like I Dan you were just saying how much you love Nicole yic is awesome at field goal percent he is so good at field goal percent that the down weeks for joic you still have a really good shot to win that category where you know are with Shay at 53 and half perc you could have a down week in there and he doesn't carry you quite the same way free throws do and that's fine so we can call free throws a really nice positive and one that doesn't fluctuate as much for Shay and Steals and points but that's still really only three head-to-head foundational categories where Luca has four or five but sheay is still the obvious choice at four for head-to-head you could again possibly argue him at three three for Roto three for head to-head if you're worried about the playoff schedule but let's move on and let's start talking about these other guys one by one those that have been listening to the show throughout our draft season prep so far you know how I feel about Tyrese halberton and he has moved up the board halberton from six to five an intriguing twist as he flip-flops with Yannis on DMO who was five and now he's number six I already was not overly enthusiastic about halberton in the six hole so it goes to show goes to figure that I'm also not as overly enthusiastic about halberton in the five hole and it's not because I think halton's going to be that you know 20 some OD ranked guy that he was when he was sort of half playing remember when they were dealing with the hamstring stuff it's just that I think halberton is probably the guy that was healthy quote unquote healthy halberton but with Pascal cakam soaking up some of the usage that nobody was soaking in the beginning of the year Halton down the stretch last season got his minutes back up to 32 he averaged 18 and N with 2.6 defensive stats 2.7 threes 46 84 splits which again you could see those come up a little bit that was good enough for number 11 in a limited sample size but you know some guys were out that weren't and like kawii Leonard was number 18 over that stretch for reasons we don't really fully understand little things happen happen little things here and there where guys bounced up guys bounced down I happen to think halberton is more like that range kind of guy 9 10 11 12 type per game dude maybe he has the durability you're looking for had he didn't last year with the hamstring thing but at five he's too early for me I don't think that I want to spend my fifth pick on Hal Burton Giannis at six continues to make total sense if you're playing if you're planning on punting freee throws and actually Alex ricklean on this morning's show put it really nicely which is there's no issue with taking Giannis in this range if you're punting free throws in fact you pretty much have to take him as soon as Shay is off the board if that's the path you're going to go because if you don't go Giannis the guy that does is going to have a much better inside track to punting free throws than you do but if you're not planning on punting free throws then taking Giannis there doesn't make any sense CU he's number 32 if you're considering free throw is a competitive category and if you're not he's top he's a top five kind of dude because he's hyper lead in points boards field goal percent those those three things again pretty darn good in assist not yic level but pretty good in steals pretty good in blocks and then doesn't shoot any three-pointers he's kind of like joic with a bad free throw number that's Giannis Giannis is joic who can't shoot free throws from a fantasy standpoint scores a little bit more assists a little bit less everything else is pretty freaking close like you can look at it if you just look at the punt free throw board it goes joic ad Luca Giannis that's your top four in punt free throw mode and the reason that Anthony Davis is ahead of Giannis is because he's got lower turnovers but otherwise like look at the gap between Yannis and yic Giannis plus four in points they're separated by half a three-pointer one rebound two and a half assists point2 steals point2 blocks field goal impact giannis's higher and then turnovers Giannis is a little worse but then there's free throws you Giannis the worst impact free throw shooter in the NBA yic like slightly above average so jannis is totally fine here I'm comfortable with him going at five frankly if you're punting free throws if you're not obviously he doesn't belong on your target board Joel embiid slides up in the recent reiteration here to number seven from number nine I just did a show like two days ago where I was like if embiid Falls to me at nine I am absolutely taking him because I you know I think he's going to play 60 ball games this year and if you take him at nine and he's number one or two per game he beats that number seven is a questionable play because you still have a couple of guys on the board that maybe you feel a little bit more comfortable with Anthony Davis was going ahead of Joel embiid before this Readjustment as was Jason Tatum perhaps we should talk about those three guys together now because it looks like halberton is starting to distance himself above those guys Giannis as well in the punt mold so do you go MB do you go Tatum or do you go Anthony Davis there's an argument to be made for all three Jason Tatum is the Young Buck in this group but his team just make a did make a finals run and won it they're the Champs so he played the longest season of anybody in this upper threshold he went to the Olympics even if he didn't play all that much in the ball games there was a lot of traveling there was a lot of basketball there was a lot of practice embiid was also in the Olympics looked kind of slow and clunky Anthony Davis was also in the Olympics looked quite spry actually neither one of those two teams Sixers or Lakers made a super deep playoff run so at least they had time to rest before the Olympics still embiid I mean dude looked very slow until the last two games then he kind of woke up a little bit started to beat up on teams where the US needed a little more offense good points can be made all around no matter how you look at the numbers you can kind of create the narrative that makes the most sense Anthony Davis had three very bad Health seasons in a row with the Lakers before a much better one this last year which also by the way coincided with his highest minutes per game number since 2017 with the pels ad's been a Laker for Five Seasons he's played an 85% of the games or more two of those five seasons this is a bit of what I talked about at the end of our morning show today which is how do you compare the health risk of Anthony Davis against the health risk of Joel embiid I'm not a big Jason Tatum fan this year I think with por Singa Sai has a chance to get back in that top 11 top 12 neighborhood but I also think this might be the year that we see Tatum finally kind of miss a few ball games where last year he played in 74 out of 82 he's always in that 90% range deep finals run and Olympics dude's a little bit beat up right now emotionally too after not getting to play does that put a chip on his shoulder I guess there's the possibility that that's how that situation turns rectifies itself but you know the Celtic's going to be really good they're going to want to make another deep playoff run they're going to have to pace themselves during the regular season and so whatever extra stuff you think Tatum's going to get with uh kristo porzingis out half the year you have to temper that Joy with is he G to play fewer minutes I think they'd like him to 35.7 according to basketball monster last year almost 36 minutes a game would they like him to play fewer games I would imagine so Jason Tatum is obviously the safe pick here because again youth is on his side but it's hard for me not to pick Anthony Davis because I know looking at the embiid track record go back the last few years this season he missed 43 ball games previous year 16 before that 14 that was his like true Health year 21 the year before that 21 the year before that 18 the year before that 19 the year before that Joel embiid very consistently misses 15 to 20 ball games every year other than really two seasons where it got much much worse Anthony Davis is the he will or he won't this year ad played over 90% of his team's games in 2020 the bubble championship year where the Lakers had a three-month break then played the bubble then had like a two-month break and had to come back Anthony Davis played 62 out of 72 Laker games that season and they had an opportunity to go easy on him because they were boat racing the league during the regular season that year but then he had no chance to recover the 2020 2021 season was a disaster for ad his body was just a mess he had his worst field goal percent year of his career came back the following year after another short off season remember that was the one that the season started late and ended late on purpose and played only 40 games the only recent season for ad where I look at it and I'm like I don't like the way this went healthwise was not this season but the previous one where he played in 56 games that was I think the if I'm remembering the foot that was the heel injury that knocked him out for like 15 to 20 ball games then he kind of played through it the rest of the year last two years ad has forced himself to play through the small stuff I actually kind of like that so once you get past Giannis at five I'm willing to lump halberton in with this next group and I know I have embiid flashed up on the screen but we're also talking about Tatum and Anthony Davis all of these faces are part of it I would go ad then I probably go halberton because the assists are really hard to pass up then I'm probably going embiid and Tatum I don't even know if I'm doing yet probably Tatum after that so that would be 6 Seven 8 n that would put Tatum at n although as you look at the board now and we'll scroll down along with everybody as you look at the board Kevin Durant at 10 makes a freaking compelling case to go over Jason Tatum other than again he's older odds are Tatum probably plays more games than KD this year and odds are they're probably within about three or four slots of each other on the per game side so Tatum is probably the pick there but KD is definitely the one right after it so KD at 10 actually makes a ton of sense 11 remains Trey young somehow everybody's shifting all around on either side of him but Trey young stayed exactly where he was and this is fine he makes no real sense here uh if you are not punting the things he's whack at Trey young is whack at field goal percent and turnovers although you know for turnovers in the first round not a huge deal Trey young is a punt field goal guy he's going to be very strong in points threes and assists and free throws which for head-to-head is a really nice base to build on because you can add steals to that mix and you'll probably want to pick one other category my guess would be rebounds would be the next easiest one to try to gather up you just get a like high scoring rebounder who's good at shooting free throws in your top you know three rounds grab another assist dude and suddenly you're kind of Off to the Races in a Trey young build Roto it's not so great because the weak stuff you have to try to cover up all of it or most of it like head tohe head you can cover up one or two of them cover up the weakness in rebounds cover up a weakness in I don't know blocks turnovers probably not maybe the other stuff Roto you want to cover up the weakness in boards cover up the weakness in blocks make sure you get enough steals that you're definitely going to have to do on the head-to-head side as well try to cover up the field goal percent try to cover up the turnovers one of those maybe you could let float but that's why Trey young is a head-to-head guy at at 11 I'm fine with Trey it head-to-head because you can build on it Roto I wouldn't do it I don't I don't think it's a good start on that side I'd rather have this dude in Roto and that's Steph Curry at 12 uh head-to-head I'd rather have Trey young most likely because again you know the um and you guys have probably heard this concept the the minus one ranking board where you remove a player's worst category what do they look like now uh with Steph he doesn't really have a one God aul category subpar this last year in steals blocks field goal percent and a little bit in turnovers but not eliminating any of those didn't move him up or down the board very much where with someone like Trey young you wipe out the field goal percent issue and he takes a pretty good flying leap up the board so give me Stephen Roto at 11 give me Trey Young head to-head at 11 and frankly I don't want Trey young even at 12 on the Roto side he's he belongs down where he was you could choose to punt Trey's worst category which is actually turnovers with 4.4 of them and he jumps up to number 14 so that's the argument for him in rodo but now you're stuck probably punting something uh if you punt field goal percent Trey young jumps into the middle of the second round which is again probably an easier one to pull off and in head-to-head you can kind of throw away two categories if you really had to Roto you kind of can't so that's why for me at least Trey young doesn't quite belong on the board just yet foto sorry clarification donov Mitchell is at number 13 he slides up the board as did Steph by the way Steph went from 14 to 12 Kevin Durant went from 15 to10 I forgot to mention that before that was a big jump up the board KD went from one of my my Prime targets to someone that I think is just going in the right spot now same story for Steph I liked him a ton at 14 at 12 I think he's pretty much where he should be going Donovan Mitchell was borderline Target for me now he's borderline a void for me I like Donovan Mitchell obviously he's terrific if you're punting his worst category which was field goal or turnovers we'll kind of ignore turnovers for this discussion but much like Joel embiid you need the health and Donovan Mitchell played in only 55 games last year and he and like we keep talking about how embiid and AD are these these terrifying health risks Donovan Mitchell missed 27 games this past season and going backwards 14 15 29 and then you f the 13 which isn't bad that was the oh sorry that was three that year and it was 19 the year before screwed up my games missed there uh so the last four years ronov Mitchell have been not great a little bit embiid like you know 14 15 to 25 somewhere in that neck of the woods 19 15 14 27 that's the last four working forward that time instead of backward he got into the 30 range by totals this last year and if he gets up to 65 games played he's a win at 13 I don't know that there's a guarantee he gets there I think it ends up being relatively safe at this spot but certainly not my favorite if you had any kind of injury risk in the first round and right behind him who only shifted a tiny bit Kyrie Irving down from 13 to 14 I still don't like him he was on my avoids board before he's on my avoids board now he's Donovan Mitchell with more injury uncertainty because Kyrie hasn't come close to playing a full season like at least Donovan Mitchell had what A4 in there in games played Kyrie's last I mean crap you got to go all the way back to his Cavs years 2016 people that's eight years ago now working backwards he's missed 24 22 53 that one had some other stuff going on uh 18 that one was close actually that was like at least 75% of games played we that was the good one uh that was year two in Brooklyn by the way year one in Brooklyn missed 62 games 52 games sorry math math hard uh back with the Celtics he missed 15 and 22 and then in his last year in Cleveland he missed only 10 rough Kyrie Irving often often makes the old man squad he will not this year dein Booker at 15 slides up to probably around where he should have been from 18 he's still a relatively safe second round pick but there isn't much in the way of upside on book anymore so take him there that's fine Anthony Edwards Falls he's a big Faller here from 10 down to 16 he was a big avoid guy for me at number 10 I don't mind Anthony Edwards in the second round I'm still not overly enthused about him he was number 20 by totals last year because he played in 79 out of 82 damn basketball games I don't think there's any way he gets up near this mark on a per game side he's probably a second rounder by totals again this year which makes him a little bit safer but probably just someone I'm not gonna draft but I don't hate it anymore midc round I don't hate Anthony Edwards the way that I did late first round and deis sabonis it's kind of a similar situation he also dropped five slots uh Edwards dropped six sabonis is another dude who slides into a much more interesting spot because he played an all 8 two games last year and finished at number 12 by totals if you're looking at the per game side sabonis was number 29 Anthony Edwards was number I might have said Anthony Davis in there Anthony Edwards was number 37 so I would rather have sabonis at this spot honestly he makes more sense for team building because sabonis is very good at a few things rebounding and assists and field goal percent he helps cover up the deficiencies on some of the guard heavy builds so like a Trey young deonis sabonis pairing is pretty good at scoring pretty good at threes pretty good at rebounds very good at assists meh at steals can't block and then pretty good at both percentages so now you have this like Foundation of okay well I want to continue to get scoring and threes and Counting stats and steals I don't have to worry about blocks all that much I need to make sure that my free throws don't take any other hits my turnovers are not very good you kind of lean into a particular build if you don't want to go guard guard but sabonis takes care of those assists so you don't have to go with another punt field goal guard like that would open up competing in field goal percent if you wanted to I forgot to put him up on the screen for the YouTubers sorry about that guys sorry YouTubers let's take a very quick break from for a commercial and then we'll finish things up with our last seven or eight names on the board today at number 18 jumping all the way up from number 25 and remaining one of my preferred picks on the board is James Harden he eliminates quite a lot I say he like he like James had something to do with it yaho has eliminated a lot of the per game upside with Harden going in at the end of the second round I personally thought this year that he could end up with a per game rank around 12 to 15 well now you don't have a whole lot of wiggle room there if he doesn't quite get to that Mark but the floor is so obscenely high on Harden that's one of the biggest reasons that I like him is that a worst case scenario barring injury Dan Knox on wood a worst case scenario for Harden is like number 25 so getting him at 18 at 25 whatever still really safe and there's still a little bit of upside built in so I still like you James Harden even at this slightly higher Mark lamelo Ball on the other hand not as enthusiastic anymore he's now at 19 he's a big Jumper in this new board especially in the early rounds lamelo goes from 29 to 19 he was in the middle of the third round a no-brainer because he's a 20-some per game guy even in nine cat and if you're going with the negative one the minus one rank board where you remove lamelo's field goal percent for instance he jumps up towards the edge of the first round that's a big big big buffer against injury risk well now you got to take a mid-second round which is where he is when you eliminate field goal percent anyway and now if there's any injury stuff that goes on you wipe it all out so this is fine it's not a disaster spot but given the injury risk I think we've wiped out a lot of The Upside Scotty Barnes at number 20 didn't move all that much uh spot over spot he went from 23 to 20 he was I thought like a relatively safe pick at 23 becomes a little bit scarier at 20 not really a guy I'm targeting despite the fact that he's pretty freaking good at basketball Scotty Barnes averaged 28 and six last year with good defensive stats lower percentages I mean if he fixes those a tiny bit if you see a little bit more shot making perhaps uh I don't know how much higher he can climb I don't know that he's going to fall much Beyond like 35 if the assists drop back down or if the blocks come back down at all so he's a guy that I'm probably not going with I don't hate him but if I had to say like in my right hand I hold players that I would like to have or have I in my eyes a 50/50 shot or better of beating their Mark he's not in it he's in the left hand he's in the 50-50 shot or worse of beating the mark last five names jayen Brunson at number 21 also a very small mover Brunson from 20 down one slot my opinion does not change Brunson was like number 12 13 14 down the stretch last year when he was taking 26 shots a ball game he'll be lucky to get to around 20 this year with Randall back and Mel Bridges in town and the Knicks just having some other offensive options he's still a main dude and his percentages are good and his scoring is going to be good and the assists are going to be solid uh and I mean the floor is not catastrophic level low but I do think that there's a chance that Brunson is like near 40 when the team is at full strength 3540 range so this is just a little bit too early for me to take Jaylen Brunson Chad hren Falls from what was he 17 or 18 before he was 17 he falls to number 22 uh we talked last week late last week Dan paleo big fan of Chad holr this year I is not a guy that I'm really aiming for in the second round but suddenly now at least he's being drafted back of where he finished last year on a per game basis and I think given the fact that he is a little bit unicorn like if anything in his actual basketball game gets better hopefully that's kind of the buffer against what Isaiah hartenstein does but that of course is my big fear with holen if we move him off the five to the four slot do blocks take a hit do rebounds take a hit even if he does more offensively is that enough to offset I've got Homen as a mid 20s guy this year so I really didn't like him at 17 uh I don't mind him at 22 but I'm also kind of trying to avoid taking the guys where again with hren forget the minus one rank board we kind of need to do like the plus one so what does he look like if you take away his best category what happens if you're punting blocks and say okay he he's not going to drop from Two and a Half to League average but if you pull blocks out hr's just like not even on the board anymore he falls to number 70 but that's not going to happen he's not going to fall back to League average but what if his blocks go from 2.3 to 1.9 he falls probably around to a round and a half so not really a guy I'm targeting in chat uh but the guy behind him is I love Damen Lillard he's still in that same spot actually went down two pockets from 21 to 23 I love it big fan for a number of reasons Dame if you're going minus one ranks he's number 13 take field goal percent out or in my eyes I think he has a chance to get a little bit better in field goal percent this year so the floor in my eyes for Lillard is 30 the ceiling is up near the turn I don't know that he's going to get all the way quite that far but be able to get him at the end of the second round and well you have that kind of tight window he's safe but there's also a chance he could be better big fan one of my big big guys that I'm I'm targeting in this range two names left Paul George at 24 he was also a little bit of a jumper here only by two 26 to 24 Paul George is someone I'm looking for closer to 30 I think he does take a pretty goodly usage hit in Philadelphia from 17 shots per game that probably comes down by one or two field goal attempts can he maintain the efficiency he had last year can he maintain the health he had last year this is a fairly safe spot for PG but when we saw him falling to 30 that was a spot where I think a lot of us were like yeah I mean I'll take Paul George at 30 at 24 call it safe this is safe on PG and finally dear and Fox at pick 25 uh yeah that's fine I think he'll you know I think we're going to see a little bit of a drop off for Fox he was number 25 last year with no D rozan around so expect the field goal attempts to come down a little bit I don't maybe the steals do they hold it two that's a big number to try to replicate I would assume that with Fox the more likely and again this is all playing the percentages more than likely things get worse and not better from a fantasy standpoint meaning 25 and nine cat is probably the absolute best case scenario but he is also the main guard punt free throw Target in this part of the board so if you have Giannis you're probably taking fox in the middle of the second round or Lebron he's probably not getting back to you in the middle of the third round one of those guys is going to be coming off the board and if you're punting free throws he was number 13 last year so Fox is going to go in this range because someone's going to be punting free throws and that's where they're going to take him and that'll be totally reasonable if you are not punting free throws he's fine here at 25 but he's not my favorite he's a again probably loses to this Mark on the per game side but also probably not by all that much recap it's the recap part of the show where I will take the board off and I will put my face on instead Heaven help you all Heaven help you all indeed the players that I like and there aren't as many anymore I think there are three guys that have a really nice shot to beat their Mark both per game and totals that's the way I'm trying to classify this and those guys are Anthony Davis because he should be able to beat his Mark at nine per game pretty easily and so if he gets to 6869 games played he'll crush his Mark by totals as well James Harden at 8 18 I think beats his Mark per game that'll be a tighter squeeze but by totals I I have enough faith in him and then Damen Lillard uh tougher one to beat it on both I think per game barely Dame could get up to like 20 21 something in that neck of the woods but again if there's some health there he has a great shot to beat it on both ways by a half round or something to that event there are a number of guys in this 25 that I think beat their Mark either one way or the other like embiid per game yes totals H tough and that's why it makes it hard to put those guys on the board you know Steph maybe Donovan Mitchell probably per game totals H Paul George maybe and exclude the guys at the very top of the board as well Tatum totals perhaps per game no and that's why I sort of landed on the three I did Anthony Davis James Harden and Damen loed and there are two guys in this mix that I think have a very hard shot at beating their Mark in both meaning I feel like there's almost no chance they do it on both sides those are Kyrie Irving who probably does beat it per game but I don't think beats it by totals and Jaylen Brunson who has a shot to maybe Beat It by totals but I don't think has any shot to do it on the per game side and then everybody else in my eyes has some chance to beat their mark again excluding basically like the top four CU it's impossible to beat your mark up in that range of beating on one way or the other minus the punt dudes so Giannis Trey young are punt guys lamelo is kind of a punt guy not entirely those are the one okay those are your punt guys so if you take those out of the mix everybody else has a shot to beat it one way the other you could probably take halberton out also say he'll have a really really tough time beating the five pre- rank on either per game or totals but I'm trying to be nice to the guys at the top of the board because it's freaking impossible for any of those guys to beat their stuff but look at everybody else Tatum maybe total Durant maybe both Steph maybe both Donovan Mitchell per game definitely totals maybe Booker per game probably not totals maybe yeah Anthony Edwards per game hell no totals a outside shot sabonis per game no totals yes but again that's my methodology for coming up with the ones that I like the most it's the guys that I think have a good shot to beat it them both and the ones that I don't like are the ones that I think have almost no shot to beat it in both for some reason one reason or another thanks for watching everybody this is the brand new Yahoo top 25 the new board it is here please follow on Twitter at Dan basp and Oldman squad on the way out take a second hit that like button it's right there so easy just do it 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