all right if you really want to get to know Donald Trump you're going to want to pay attention to this interview I have a special guest denes duza denesh thank you so much for joining me today hey it's always a pleasure great to be back I've got my uh Trump mug shot hat on I'm ready to go with this interview um just some background uh on you you're an author you're a filmmaker you brought uh one of the most explosive uh documentaries in the last little while 2,000 mules which uh proved that there was ballot harvesting in Georgia and and other key States uh you made 2016 Obama's America death of a Nation police state now you have a new movie out called vindicating Trump um I want to get into that but first I I just want to talk about this because uh just within the last day or so Judge Scott McAfee has ruled down in Georgia that district attorney fonny Willis H doesn't even have authority to bring these charges against Donald Trump uh she had him arrested he gets this mug shot uh in the end it's been a blessing for him and a curse for her but what what are your thoughts on this judge dropping uh these criminal charges and the fact that now there's all this evidence coming out that there's been uh a racing of ballots or that maybe those ballots never existed in the first place place your your thoughts on that well I think that uh going back to 2020 lots of people could see that something was wrong they spotted anomalies they spotted Windows being boarded up they knew that the rules of the game had been changed they learned later about the hunter Biden laptop so this was election interference at multiple digital censorship multiple levels but I think it wasn't until 2000 mules that the evidence began to be more systematized and more visual I mean you could actually see it's kind of like watching people breaking into Fort Knox and uh and now what we see is that the criminal indictments are falling apart one by one again it's I think it is a testament to the creativity and resilience of trump because think about it if you and I had been told here's a guy he's facing 91 criminal charges in multiple jurisdictions like what's the chance he'll beat all of it well it would seem like almost zero how does anyone do that any other Republican would have fled from the race so the uh the magnitude of trump as a man and his ability to withstand stuff that I think no normal human being can do uh the assassination is another little window into Trump's kind of character and his bravery uh we bring this out in the film because there are so many people who say of trump you know well you know I don't really like the guy but you know I I like his policies but it's important to realize that Trump the man is himself very unique he has some vices but he also has great strengths and we have to balance the one against the other yeah absolutely um were were you shocked when the Georgia election board said there are 500,000 ballot images that either never existed or were purposely wiped in order to conceal their content I mean I'm starting to wonder if these ballots maybe never even existed it it's a mystery that I hope they'll get to the bottom of but I don't know that they really want to get to the bottom of it I I agree I mean if you look at the disclosures we've only had disclosures really in two places um in Maricopa County Arizona and in Georgia and both are extremely eye openening because it becomes very clear that you have massive malfeasant horrible practices which have the clear impact of influencing the election and then the Maricopa guys in Arizona go well you know it was just a glitch somehow the tabul which we tested but when Once once the election day came along they just stopped working and uh the probability that that could be by chance is remote similarly in Georgia all these new disclosures uh each one more incriminating than the other and by the way in the new film vindicating Trump what we do is we do something a little different than 2000 meals because in 2000 meals you look back and you say what happened a year ago in 2020 here we sort of look forward and we say all right if we were the criminals and we were trying to break break into Fort Knox like how would we do it why because the old techniques aren't won't necessarily work right I mean today if you have mules this year going to the dropboxes showing up at 2 am at night with backpacks they're going to be Patriots looking for that so they're going to have to cheat a new way so we anticipate how would they do it and we put some very disturbing revelations in the film but the advantage of blowing the whistle beforehand is once you you you show this is how you can do it it makes it harder to do it that way okay so you guys are letting the genie out of the bottle you're letting people know what to look for um I agree I think uh if there's going to be Mal feasance and cheating they're going to have to do it in a different way but that doesn't mean that uh people like Mark Elias uh Hillary Clinton's private uh attorney haven't been trying to change laws haven't been trying to persuade judges uh County officials um you know this year Mark Zuckerberg's not going to pump $400 million but they are funneling money through act blue and and maybe some of these other groups so they're they're they're still getting wise as to how to uh pull off uh you know election interference the the most uh recent one that we're seeing is a whistleblower coming forward saying ABC News uh leaked the questions to KLA Harris as sample questions and then happen to ask those same ones and then also gave assurances that Donald Trump would be fact CH uh fact checked in real time and kamla Harris would not and that's exactly how it played out now that you know this do you go back and look at that uh debate with with different eyes and go oh okay now I can see how perhaps a team of people crafted this question and then David M's followup and then as soon as Trump was getting to an answer they shift to comma and what do you think about Donald Trump being such a human being what what are your thoughts on that whole ABC Story I mean watching it even before these bombshell reports about her getting the questions in advance I thought the whole thing was a circus and by that I mean you know imagine a boxing match where right in the middle of the fight the referee puts on some gloves and starts pummeling one of the fighters you know everybody would be like what what's going on here what kind of a wait uh and and that's exactly what was going on it's like the two moderators jumped into into the ring and started Landing blows on trump it was Insanity now we're accustomed to media bias but this kind of almost active intervention is is really a step too far but let's look at a couple of new forms of electoral interference sort of Circa 2024 the first one is the the criminal cases themselves if you think about it the idea was to is to hang a felony badge around Donald Trump's neck and hope that that becomes a kind of a millstone that drag them down may not have worked but they that's what they went for the other is the massive influx of illegals now the point here is not that there's a bunch of illegals who are going to say yeah we're going to break the laws we're going to vote the the point is that when the illegals get these registration cards if the Democrats can figure out how to get them to check that box that says I'm a US citizen and there's really no checking mechanism to verify if that is really true then somebody else can vote their votes this is the key not that the illegals themselves are going to organize some massive election fraud program but the illegals get their names get added to the voter roles and then somebody else can vote their votes yeah that that so at first I thought they were going to have all these people voting right but now I realize that it's like it's like a an artificial way of amplifying the voter role so that they can justify the printing of of the ballots right the paper artifact and then once they can get that paper artifact in okay going back to Arizona and also back to Georgia look how damn hard it's been to get your hands on a single ballot e even the people that did these indepth forensic analysis and data analysis we're eventually told you cannot touch the paper ballot uh or you can but it's got to be in small batches and we're not going to release the full thing and you can't show it to anybody do you do you think that's exactly what they're trying to do denesh let me pause for a quick commercial break as you know Donald Trump and RFK Jr have teamed up to make America healthy again uh this starts with us but since children are still growing it's imperative to give them the right building blocks here's some critical stats that you might not know about American children 70% of kids are have insufficient levels of vitamin D 60% don't get enough magnesium 4 40% are calcium 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and that's this compare a ballot to a $20 bill now on a $20 bill there is a watermark uh there is also an elaborate ID number and uh the currency itself is not easy to duplicate and people are trained to look to see if someone is presenting fake bills even for 20 bucks even for that sort of denomination of a bill a ballot has no watermark a ballot has no ID code uh once a ballot is sented in an absentee ballot and somebody removes the ballot out of the envelope the envelope contains the address the envelope contains the signature but those two items can never be put back together again so it seems to me that a very cunning cheater is going to look there to figure out how to rig the 2024 election so let's just say that we have really good stuff on this topic uh but really what the movie is about is it's a it's a defense not just of Trump's policies but also of trump the man vindicating Trump and the website by the way if I can give it vindicating trump.com and I will also have a book of the same title coming out in in a couple of weeks okay great yeah yeah that that's actually a really good uh point denesh I I remember I went to this Mexican restaurant we sat down I usually pay with a card but I end up paying with cash and even the waitress she like pulled out this marker to check whether my $20 bill was real but we don't do we don't do that with ballots um now one of the things that I noticed in uh the the new movie that's coming out vindicating Trump uh is you you sit down with somebody and they talk about how they were able to I guess openly buy 10,000 ballots uh tell tell me how is somebody able to do that like shouldn't those be under lock and key I mean gosh I go to Walmart they're they're locking up laundry detergent now because of you know kamla Harris and biomics uh how how can somebody get their hands on 10,000 ballots well the the what is revealed in the movie is that one can make an unlimited number of ballots we just demonstrated 10,000 in other words we hired an investigative team to demonstrate that ballots can be purchased replicated and made on mass so not one or two but any amount now this seems crazy right because in fact there are so many people who think that the cheating only occurs because of you know machine switching votes and things like that and that if we go to paper ballots guys it's all going to be okay and part of what we show in this movies no ironically our system is so porous that even the paper ballot part of it is vulnerable um because think about it we where do we get our ballots we get them from the state right but so if you want an absentee ballot the state of Texas will send you an absentee ballot but where does the State of Texas get the ballot answer they contract with private printing companies to make ballots of a certain specification so let me just say that's the key uh once you realize that there's a whole bunch of sort of wholesalers and retailers in the country that are in the ballot making business now when I say ballot making business I am talking about the ballot stock I'm not talking about the the the M the the information that appears on the ballot but now let me turn to that for a moment and and show you how easy that is if you go on the Secretary of State's website right now of your state you will see a sample ballot it has the word sample ballot on it but if you can to remove the word sample ballot the ballot is identical with any other Ballot or if you request an absente ballot they'll send one to you all the information you need for the ballot is right there it's on the absentee ballot doesn't even say sample ballot it's a real ballot so you now have the ballot paper you have all the information that needs to go on the ballot paper all you need to do is make your way to the UPS store or any other print shop and you're in business so what we do in the film which is really powerful is we don't just talk about this we show people doing it uh and uh and we carry it through at a level that I think is going to be very eye openening for people so this is a a kind of important dimension of this new movie uh vindicating Trump yeah uh one of the things that I like that I think my audience is going to absolutely love is you sit down with President Donald Trump in a way that I've never seen him sit down you know he's just now starting to do podcasts with people like Theo Von and Shan Ryan and others but but sits down with you and it it it in it it made an incredible impact on me just how human he is you know like when Melania talked uh wrote that letter where she said you know someone tried to take away my husband this man that loves music and you know like has grandchildren and and really humanized him and then you did this interview what what were your thoughts did you enjoy that interview um did did you uh did you also feel that was a setting that allowed people to really see who this man is well here's what inspired this conversation with Trump uh when I first met Trump this was in 2019 it was shortly after I'd gotten a presidential paron it was kind of it seemed like a formality but my family got to sit down with Trump in the Oval Office and my wife Debbie asked him an interesting question she said to him you know um how do you like take it in other words you are abused on every plat platform every hour of every day this kind of uh it's un unnatural the kind of pressure you're under and how do you sort of hold up against it and and honestly both of us expected him to say hahaa it doesn't get to me I enjoy it you know it's fun these people are crazy but he didn't he was like well he's like you know I I fight back but he goes you know it does get to me he's like it it it he's like because he goes I'm doing this I'm trying so hard for the country he's like look at this recent solomani operation Al bagdadi he goes I'm I'm trying to promote the country's interests and and I get roundly abused in other words it was so against our expectation that he shows vulnerability now I will say that his personality is not to do that he never likes to do that when Dr Phil tried to interview him and go down the psychological Road he would not go there how what does it make you feel no he won't say so Debbie actually warned me she's like it's going to be very hard to interview Trump you got 45 minutes with him but you might only get in two questions because this guy is gonna take off on you and I was like no no I cannot let that happen our movie has certain themes and some important things we want to cover and some of them are kind of deep I mean well I'm going to relate the the problem of tyranny to a speech that Lincoln gave called the Lum speech when Lincoln was in his 20s I need to be able to ask Trump about stuff like that and so I'm going to sit him like six inches from my face and like do eye contact and have a normal back and forth conversation in which we both listen to each other and talk and and I'm delighted to say that he actually he participated in that and I think it it makes it it makes for a real centerpiece for this movie yeah yeah no I I agree um there was a part in the interview you said um with Trump that the J six in Insurrection was a setup and that if he had called for an Insurrection he would have got a real one Trump responded I'm not sure I want that power I just want the power to make the country better I was I was very shocked at his response uh to to your question and your comment um what was what was your response because he's painted as such a vile monster in the media his his answer I think is in some ways uh very deep and I'll I'll try to uh explain it by putting it in the context of Lincoln's lysium speech Lincoln basically says that when a tyrannical threat arises in the country and he's thinking here about the threat from the sort of the slave owner class he implies that there needs to be a power of equal magnitude on the other side implying of course himself now the problem with with saying that there needs to be a force of of equal power is that what that means is that there is a tyrannical Temptation on both sides Lincoln is essentially saying I too could become a tyrant I too could abolish slavery by force I could ultimately go around the Constitution and and there were people who accused Lincoln of doing that uh he suspended habus Corpus Etc so what Trump is I think saying is that yes you know I understand the left these people are big they're powerful they control a lot of Institutions we need a lot of power to take them on but the difference between us and Them is not that they're powerful and we're not but I want to use that power for good I want to use it for the betterment of the country and this is really Lincoln's Point Lincoln's point is that is that even though he had the same kind of dimensions of a Caesar he was not going to subvert the Constitution he was very actually nervous about issuing the Emancipation Proclamation did he have that kind of power to do that before the war he denied he did it was only after the war that he agreed that as an emergency War measure he could do it and even then he didn't free any slaves in the border states or in the union he was really only freeing slaves in the Confederacy where he had really no power to do that so this uh theme of connecting a problem and a prophecy raised by Lincoln is then picked up in this movie so that's that's the intellectual range of this film okay yeah no I it was it was uh the way you framed that and then his response was uh I'm I'm so glad it was captured on camera um one of one of the main themes of this election cycle is that Donald Trump is the biggest threat to democracy in our nation's history you see the media saying this you see Democrat politicians saying this you now have people from uh the George Bush uh Administration saying this the view is saying this it seems everyone is saying this uh yet if I put myself in their shoes it feels like a wise move to try to discredit him to make him a hitler-like uh character do you do you think that they have succeeded in making their voters genuinely believe that Trump is a threat to their life and their country's democracy to a degree yes I think the reason that it is a it is a wise move on their part uh it's a calculated move I mean they really know that he's not uh in fact I can I can kind of prove it uh right after the assassination attempt it was standard fair for the Democrats to essentially post uh you know thoughts and prayers thoughts and prayers for Trump's recovery but it makes if you call someone Hitler then you should be really happy if someone tries to assassinate them and it makes no sense to offer Hitler thoughts and prayers for his recovery because that he's endangering the whole Republic and it'd be better off if if someone got rid of him so the very fact that they were doing that is a sort of a hidden confession that they know he's not Hitler but why are they calling him that why are they calling him a tyrant and an autocrat and a Caesar because he's an unusual Republican he has that kind of Dimension now he's not the only Republican in sort of American History I would say that Reagan to some degree had that Dimension Teddy Roosevelt had that Dimension but apart from Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt and Reagan I can't think of anyone else who has that Larger than Life Dimension you can't go around like calling Marco Rubio a Caesar or you know Paul Ry it makes no sense but with Trump you can get away with it he was a huge cultural celebrity before he even entered politics so the Democrats are very careful to say this is the guy who could take away your Liberties and the correct answer to that is not no but rather yes Trump does have that kind of Larger than Life power but he already was President for a term what Liberties of yours did he take away which Democrats did he lock up uh the you know the audiences would chant Locker up for Hillary he didn't do it in fact he even says and we show him in the film he goes no no no no no he's like let's defeat her in November so Trump played by the rules and even when he firmly believed he lost the 2020 election he gracefully exited the scene he didn't he didn't have to be dragged out kicking and screaming so this is a guy who's played by the rules and that's what makes the charge against him so unfair and what makes it particularly egregious is it's coming from people who are doing all the tyrannical things that they warn about yeah oh that's that's a really good point he ha he has that track record of not doing the things that they keep accusing him of you know and that you know you bring up Julius Caesar um you know he he comes back from war the Senate is meeting he's to leave his army and weapons and cross the Rubicon and he goes into the Rubicon and he betrays everything in order to become emperor so that they're trying to portray Trump as he's going to betray everything including the country in order to become the Emperor of America and yet his track record shows that he didn't uh even with his beliefs about the election uh having Shenanigans or or cheating uh he doesn't put in into play the Insurrection act he doesn't call for martial law he doesn't make the military round up all of the voting machines he he he tries to go to the courts he allows time to play out and now we see stuff in Arizona we see stuff in Wisconsin we see see stuff in Pennsylvania and we see it down in Georgia the truth is unfolding on its own he could have been a Julius Caesar and crossed the Rubicon and he didn't but if they can continue to Trump up the fear that Trump will do that that fear and anticipation is almost as terrifying as as him actually doing it and so I can just see how they're using this as a weapon against the minds of their own voters this is a great Point uh by the way I have a book vindicating Trump which you can pre-order on vindicating trump.com and I mention it because this whole discussion of Caesar I I carry to a the nth degree it's very I actually look at it through the lens of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar because that is a very interesting Play Caesar doesn't do anything tyranical in the play in that sense he's like Trump he's a larger than life figure and even Brutus and Cass as two of the conspirators against Caesar their case against Caesar is sort of futuristic in other words Brutus says something like well you know if we don't assassinate him he could become a tyrant in the future this might the idea that people are cheering him it could change his nature which implies that he hasn't done anything tyrannical yet but he might if we allow him and so there's this ambiguity in Shakespeare's play where Caesar is depicted as a tyrant and yet we never actually see him do anything tyranical yeah that that reminds me of the movie uh Minority Report where you know you have these uh these conscious beings that they can see crime in the future uh or the intention or the thought thought right and the next thing the police are arresting people because you might be capable of killing somebody you might be capable of abusing your spouse or your child and then next thing Tom Cruz is on the run for something he never did or was never going to do but because he had it within him that he might be able to do that but amplifying that I think that's what they do with Trump right is they go listen this evil is could be inside of him therefore it is and we've got to shut it down before it comes out even though again he has a track record of never unleashing any of that um but that that doesn't that doesn't help their cause that doesn't get votes um and so they've got to continue to drum up the fear that he will be this tyrannical empi Emperor uh that that rules with an iron fist I mean in the Modern Age starting with the 20th century Caesar is um reflected in a somewhat different way it's if you look at the tyrannical State the totalitarian state which we've seen now in dozens of countries we saw it of course in the old Soviet Union in North Korea in Cuba now in Venezuela in China look at the distinguishing features of these police states you have mass surveillance of citizens you have a widespread systematic censorship you have ideological indoctrination in the schools and the media you have criminalization of political differences going after your Chief political opponent trying to lock him up some times you have assassination attempts as we saw with Naval in Russia the point I'm trying to make is looked at this checklist it's all happening so the threat of tyranny is real but it's not coming from the right it's not coming from the Republicans it's not coming from Trump it's coming from the left and from the Democrats it's being cheered by the media it is being uh supported by Democratic activists around the country so this is the point that they accuse Trump of being a Caesar but the cesarian threat so to speak is coming from the other side yeah oh wow well put um what uh just final question what what is your hope as as people pour into the movie theaters they sit down they they watch uh this this movie what is your hope that they'll walk away with uh you know the the Food For Thought or the the idea that you're hoping that they'll pick up on in the movie the film is called mitigating trump it goes in theater September 27 tickets go on sale next week so they're not up yet but you can watch the trailer on the website which is just vindicating trump.com here's the thing the movie makes uh and and makes the way movies do it doesn't tell you it shows you the case for Trump trump oddly enough is not accustomed to making the case for himself he does his thing he has a shtick he kind of shows you a part of himself but he's very different than Reagan Reagan would get up there in the campaign and say here seven reasons to vote for me he'd make the case for Reagan Trump doesn't do that so this film and the accompanying book takes on that task but does it in a way that situates Trump in a much larger canvas so to speak uh and shows you why I think that this guy is the man uh for today he's more of a wartime General it's it's paradoxical to call Reagan a peacetime General because there was the Cold War we're facing something more of a domestic Cold War but we need a different kind of a leader and Trump who may not be ideal for other times in history I think is the right guy for our time and the movie and the book make that case okay great well I'm excited for people to be able to see it I was able to get a sneak peek it is fantastic uh like the cinematography the storyline the the information you share I think will be new to a lot of people and it it does a really great job okay so the 27th uh tickets go on sale on I believe the 17th and vindicating trump.com is the best place to send people absolutely and you can actually sign up there now for like email updates and stuff so go to vindicating trump.com okay I'll put that down below denesh thank you so much for coming on thank you for all you do exposing uh you know sunlight on top of all of this uh corruption and evil and these plans to get Trump uh and and the these plans that go against the good of the country country you're doing an excellent job thank you so much I hope you have a great rest of your day my pleasure