you're a standup by trade right you would say that so how old were you when you started doing standup 16 and what was your first gig oh I was doing churches oh yeah I was that's the only place I was allowed to perform and what kind of jokes do you tell at a church you know I think I told a lot of jokes about being young and how sorry I was about it I just felt bad that people had to watch a teenager perform and probably feel scared for me and I think it made people uncomfortable that I was so young so I would try to address that really quickly like I remember I was so concerned about moving the mic stand out of the way when I first got on stage cuz I felt like if I stumbled at all everyone would go oh it's a talent show it's a talent show now so I think I had to learn really early on to appear more confident than I was do you remember the first either joke or gig that you did and you said to yourself oh okay this I can do this for a living now oh I mean I did NAA uh which is like a conference where you audition for college students to hire you I saw I saw that on the Pete home show so that was when I was 20 I believe and I booked so many colleges that I was like oh I can quit my job and do this full-time so that was maybe the first time that I believed I could be a full-time comedian but then even then I don't think I stopped being worried until like my second Netflix special I think after my second Netflix special I was like okay I think I'm one of the guys now wait you had a Netflix special yeah that people saw yeah that people would pay to come and see you and you still weren't sure if you were good enough yeah cuz the first one went really well but I was like that might be a fluke and then I did the second one and that went well and I was like okay and now I feel I have I've done a a good amount of late night sets I did the 15 minutes on Netflix I have two Netflix hourong specials I think maybe I'm going to be a comedian and I won't have to go back to school