Carlton vs Hawthorn Round 22 Review | AFL Season 2024

[Music] for for all [Music] where do we where do we even [Music] start I think that that needed a minute's uh silence when you've got um more injuries than goals kicked yesterday [Music] six weeks ago we were second 6 weeks ago we were flying we were all on Cloud9 we were six points clear of third spot fast forward 6 weeks and cartton has done what only Carlton can do we are now outside the eight with two rounds to go we got absolutely thumped by Hawthorne not not just uh you know goal here or there two goals three goals it was this or that it was five goals 8 38 pardon to the Hawks 1616 112 they kicked more behinds than we did total score 58 like where do you start where like where should we start trash the the whole day was a fuss the whole the whole day we'll talk about the game start start from before the game uh another bubble gate if you call it Bobble get episode two yeah it's it's uh come hawor fans as well come scan the QR code yeah jump in you know what are they gone on you you showed it before on eBay couple hundred bucks um when when I couldn't care less right like this is just for a laugh right but for the kids that are lining up and want to get them and you know parents going for their kids not let's show you membership and claim you know uh your Bubblehead or or do it at a game shout out to to John Holden who we saw in the line absolute Legend but John made a good point do it at a Gold Coast or a gws game when there's no way fans pretty much um and reward the paying members that are coming to to watch you know8 84,000 came on Sunday but no it's fine let's give to Hawthorn fans as well no drums everyone's welcome I know it's I don't care if it's from by hunde or whoever right it's governed by the club already a [ __ ] show right and then you got 22 bubbleheads out on the field they come out I [ __ ] give him my Bubblehead M I'm skip me for now skip me for now what what do you even say what do you even say I was me and George were confident oh way confident you know what spit on me spit on me for being confident spit on my face actually thought you know these BLS are going to come in and show something showed nothing no heart nothing what do you even say like speechless what are you feeling Andy talk to us well like you said what do you say everything to [ __ ] play for everything got finals on the line the club loves the [ __ ] [ __ ] pointless celebration let's celebrate 160 years cool bro let's celebrate 160 years let's give some let's give them some bobbleheads sweet bro we'll take bobbleheads let's put in the worst performance these fans these [ __ ] paying members have seen for years on a on a special day they are a [ __ ] embarrassment to that OJ gy think about the legends that have woron that [ __ ] monogram with that old school gy over the years the [ __ ] Blood The Sweat the [ __ ] premierships and we [ __ ] put that up we put that up that [ __ ] [ __ ] I [ __ ] knew it I [ __ ] knew it you I I I called it and I put my [ __ ] money where my mouth is and I've never been more devastated to win money in my life CU I love this football club we all love this football club and repeatedly repeatedly this club lets us down repeatedly they found so many different ways to do it the players don't give a [ __ ] yesterday's performance reminded me of that game against essendon last year it just had so many moments the couple of boys ran into each other I think it happened twice just no talk I knew we were [ __ ] I knew that my bet was coming up from goal one from goal one where Nick Newman left his opponent cuz why would you defend as a Defender left his opponent and tried to be hero and run down the field got sucked into the play and then we C the goal over the back and then we proceeded to just guard grass for the next two hours it took us to be down by I know eight nine goals before Voss thought maybe we should man up maybe we should set up a one-on-one defense but for now before that it was no no you just guard that grass over there you guard that empty bit of grass over there and then just give Hawthorne all the space they need in the F line I said a few weeks ago that the ladder lied when we were second and it we were only second and in the top four and around there because of other results not because of the way we were playing it was because other results went our way and the ladder lied Michael Vos said earlier in the year the ladder doesn't lie well Michael Voss you're a [ __ ] liar yourself cuz the ladder lied when we wer a top two side um and you know what welcome to Carlton now because now you're about to fill the proper brunt of a fan base who's been gas lighted and lied to for [ __ ] 30 years and the pressure has to be on now cuz week after week it's been [ __ ] coaching for me coaching and select ction yeah don't get me wrong what we saw on field was unacceptable from the players lack of effort lack of Desire lack of want this isn't the first time we've mentioned those those words I don't know if you just let me keep talking I'll talk for another four hours someone else sorry you said you said um what was it it was selection and coaching selection is probably the big one for me cuz I didn't get the opportunity to watch the game properly um CU I I had I had the golf tournament but lucky you yeah lucky me it ended up actually being a blessing in disguise because when I looked at this at this draw six weeks ago or seven weeks ago when I when I looked to book this in it was oh it's Hawks no worries we're second on the ladder Hawks won't be a problem it will probably be a dead rubber by that point anyway I get to get to sat there I'm like [ __ ] I shouldn't have booked it on this day but thankfully I didn't Rock up and didn't have to witness that cuz I tried to watch two or three quarters um earlier today what the [ __ ] was that the Stu difference between us and Hawthorne it's like this it's literally like this the speed at which Hawthorne move the ball is amazing to watch we have more Talent on our list on our playing list than what hathon does I I wholeheartedly believe that but there is something seriously wrong at the core at the foundation of this Football Club and I don't know I don't know what the [ __ ] it is but selection if we pick on one thing and let's go selection for me why are we playing injured players desperation or injury prone players why why why why why are we risking Charlie kerno when some results fell our way some results didn't over the weekend but realistically in hindsight this game wasn't a be all Endor like finals is still on cards for us as much as I [ __ ] hate saying that finals are still on the cards for what no no no it's not for what but this wasn't a dual this wasn't this wasn't a uh we have to win all way out of out of finals why risk kerno why risk this has been a problem for years though this has been a problem for years right so we took a couple years of M Cruz's career by playing him injured this has been a problem for a very long time in the club right so injuries are yes right we'll talk about that but if you zoom out and look at the bigger picture especially this year the club should now put its hand up and say hey whatever we did in the preseason the fitness program or the high intensity block whatever the [ __ ] you want to call it we failed put your hand up we failed that we we stuffed up yes we planned around the opening round in an early buy after round two or whatever it was we failed that now with failing that um and then also persisting with continuous injured players mismanaging injured players that are not 100 % people are already losing their job and more to come there's more to come right you're telling me that obviously talk about Andrew Russell but Brad Lloyd head of football department and whatnot there will be Heads Will Roll right put your hand up and say we stuffed up Andrew Russell's got a few weeks left he's got the he's got a hell of a job on his hands now what 17 17 injured players in growing would he even care exactly why he going to Care think about it if you've got a couple weeks to go at your job you're not really giving a [ __ ] and alleged yeah allegedly he's at loggerheads with with you know I guess the vce and and the board and what not in terms of you know uh players at the club and who should be there and and with Direction they're going in which is why it was I guess a mutual um separation I guess but this has been an issue for a very long time like the mismanagement and continuous mismanagement in game Jordan Boyd so so we we we we stayed till the end right we watched it we that was burnt in my eyes right we all stayed till the final that deserves a round of applause to stay till the end of that that game 74 and for the fact that you guys stayed deserves an Applause seriously that's that's impressive I don't think we had the motivation to get up and it was I to be honest the fourth quarter was a blur for me like I was that angry I remember like heart was racing I was that angry I I don't recall many passages of play purely because I was thinking what what the hell's going on right what's happened to our club and then going home and I don't know what kind of I'm just a sicko right let me just watch the replay because I'm a [ __ ] sicko right put it on and and just see the mismanagement and the mistreatment of Jordan Boyd right okay now now 60 minutes zero touches okay I'm not blaming him right because he did he tried to run and every time he tried to run he'd pull up like so he he done I think he got injured in the first quarter duct or whatever it was bring him on in the second bring him on third throw him at full fourward just leave him in the Square cuz he can't run just leave him there I'd rather play with 17 like what are we doing not even a tackle nothing you know you know you know like when after the game I was I was in your boat George I don't blame Jordan Boyd he was injured you're on the [ __ ] field for an hour bro touch the [ __ ] ball bl's worried about painting his nails touch the [ __ ] ball how do you not touch the [ __ ] ball once bro kle you're right how do you not tackle a player how do you not [ __ ] go someone touch the [ __ ] ball bro all right you got a [ __ ] knee sweet Dippa played with a punctured lung you know what I mean like we're so soft we're so [ __ ] soft we bullied teams last year last year we only did what we did because we bullied teams we [ __ ] scared teams we are playing like we're scared now we are [ __ ] spooked we are spooked I don't know what happened at the gws game but at quarter time something changed and we are playing like we are scared we are [ __ ] spooked and to me I I think we've we we've built this [ __ ] culture at the club where everybody is entitled we keep banging on about how weering deserves all Australian and and how dare the Australian selection committee not give Australian who gives a [ __ ] who who actually gives a [ __ ] we we are not seeing team success we called Tom D Conan king that's a pretty full-on nickname to give to a kid right Jesse mlop runs around like he's Untouchable we've got Jordan Boyd who absolutely loves to paint his nails and give us a post Charlie kerno loves to post his Watchers on [ __ ] Instagram after a [ __ ] heartbreaking loss against Collingwood the club culture we've we've got this culture at our club where it's okay to be soft could you imagine Sam Mitchell telling his boys yesterday take it easy on him take it easy they're hurt they laughed at us after the game that that Whitt Whittle guy kid he's a kid yeah he's a kid he's a kid but that's that's what Colton represents to the AFL that we don't work hard enough we've said that we've said this for weeks that we don't work hard enough if we're just we we're we're clueless right we're not in the in the rooms we don't know what the coaches are talking about we don't know nothing yeah no one in the chat we're all done all of us we don't know nothing about footy we can all see that the club doesn't that the team doesn't work hard enough what the [ __ ] are the coaches doing about it what are the players doing about it what are the leaders doing about it Charlie kerer only played because he wants the Coman no one can tell me otherwise no one can tell me otherwise Harry's in why was it okay for Harry like to be out with sickness but Charlie Charlie couldn't walk I saw him in the warm-up he was struggling in the warmup but but he had to play he had to play now he put himself first over the team and you know what if it paid off and he kicked six sweet bro it paid off but when it doesn't work you know what you got to get called out and I don't give a [ __ ] anymore bro I'm sick of people telling me you're too hard on Charlie you're too hard on Charlie he's going to win us games's he's won US games he's done nothing he's he's had a [ __ ] [ __ ] year man the only reason why he's [ __ ] he was leading the common is because of our [ __ ] [ __ ] game style of just kicking it along to him that's it yep that's it it's not like gws Jesse Hogan has kicked very accurately Jesse Hogan plays in a forward line where other forwards work for him we've ' got no structure in our forward Line Jordan Russell I think is is that who our fors coach is Jordan Russell yeah I think so yeah okay he should never work a day in his life again anything to do with football anything if that if if this is his output what we've done in our forward line this season then he should never get a job again at any any football club not even a local one and I hope he's watching this and I hope you're watching this and I hope I'm hurting your feelings and I hope you're saying this guy has nothing knows nothing about footy but the players and the team the the coaches need to hear the fans at this point stop gaslighting us stop [ __ ] releasing these videos every week bro fans are losing their minds we're we're getting beled every week we're losing games every week we literally witnessed us bottle the [ __ ] season from second spot to now out of the eight right Y and we've said this every week we are watching our season slip away and you know what these guys are posting they're posting [ __ ] these players is having interviews oh what's your favorite color what's what's what's you who's the most annoying teammate who gives a [ __ ] win a game bro play a G play the [ __ ] game show me effort on the field I don't give a [ __ ] if Nick Newman's funny like where the [ __ ] are our priorities as a football club I just for weeks now it to me to this to this [ __ ] sick-minded Arab I I don't see where our priorities lie like I we we're just we're so off the [ __ ] Mark compared to these professional sides John longm came out after they got pumped by poor Adelaide and called it unacceptable and lost his [ __ ] mind we played 10 minutes of good footy against not even good footy Kong just got tired and it [ __ ] showed that they got tired because they did the same thing against Sydney we it start to play good no no no no they just got tired but after that game Michael Vos came out and said he was [ __ ] proud what the [ __ ] kind of message is that to send to your [ __ ] members that we're proud we're proud of the boys for trying trying is a [ __ ] non-negotiable sorry boys but forget about that sending it to your members what what's what message is sending to his players if he's telling so we to lose me and George were talking was was it 3 quarter time or half time and George we just looked at each other and he's like you know what I can't wait for the end of the season I'm just tired man I'm tired I can't wait 6 months off 8 months off S months whatever it is man we're tired we're drained you get you sell they sell us all this hope and people get Jed up and they worry about this and they worry about that and and then for what look how K quick it crashed down like instantly in the [ __ ] hole again you look at H for three was like 13 14 and 15 they went downhill for a bit and look at them now they're already better than us we almost got to rebuild it it it it it's exhausting it's exhausting K I said like I I I and I to the to the C fans that are overly positive oh we're still mathematically in the race and this and that mate stop Yes mathematically in the race guess what it's not on our hands you need Freo to lose or whatever like it that what to make up the numbers and go to gws and get flogged going back to what you said Andy you know the quarter time at gws what happened at qu it's the same question we asked last year what happened what was said at quarter time against Gold Coast and the club completely turned it around and it's the Stark opposite this year where you go there and it's it's not seemingly not a fluke but I I I question everything now I question my whole life now right I don't know anything about this club has just made me question everything was it an illusion was it a mirage right you you you got a five or a six goal lead against gws what happened and and every week like I'm I don't know about you boys but game day anxiety I don't even I've never even known what anxiety feels like I don't know what these like these are you know for me growing up these are made up terms anxiety depression these are made up terms right they don't exist growing up M middle households you can you know you guys know those terms are just like grow up don't be a [ __ ] right yeah Depression was cured with a slap in the face Depression was cured with seven up bro seven Up is the cure to everything that was The Cure right but anyway um I feel anxious on game day I get to the game I can't get comfortable we get a f who feels comfortable when we're five goals up I don't no if anything we get more nervous think of the ways that we've actually [ __ ] up the five goal lead and and everyone's like let it go and let this thing how how man how tell me how tell tell me how show me the way because every weekend like I'm I'm and after the game I I'm emotionally depleted I'm tired man like like the ups and downs of this club and I'm I'm with them I [ __ ] ride to death with them right I don't care fly state right we'll do it we stay to the end all that kind of stuff right we front up but it's it's I miss I miss enjoying my weekends I don't enjoy my weekends anymore I swear to you I don't even when we're winning and again someone called up I think it was scn and they said cartton fans are never happy and I agree with that somewhat I agree with that right they say when they're down and then they'll you know they'll blame the coaches and the players and this and that and then when they're up and they win by four goals they said we should have won by 10 or what notot I I agree with that somewhat but there's so many ups and downs and gas loting and mind [ __ ] with this team I don't know what to feel anymore I don't know what's real or not anymore in 2022 when we had to win I think it was one out of the L last four games and we lost all four right and and then the media and even General around the fan base yes it was a bit of a botling cuz you know we're hanging around the eight all season but it's like there's a young inexperienced slide none of them have tasted finals better luck next year right was the rhetoric fair you get to 2023 you have a bad patch you pull the finger out and we go on an insane run all the way to the prelims well done amazing right you get to this year and you think okay we need to get to the same place or better but it starts with a home and away season don't worry about September at this stage it starts with a home and away season you get a few games in you have a couple of bad losses right a couple of unexpected losses whatever was J Adelaide whatnot you get a bit of a touchup from Sydney you get through a bad patch with injuries and you still beat some of the top teams and you Landing second and you're thinking geez and then and then and then the famous last words easiest run home right they talk about easiest run home and you you completely [ __ ] the bed or you bottle it right and and what's the excuse though like you tasted finals yes injuries play a part I guess as well but effort is a non-negotiable trying is a non-negotiable coaching Brian Cook made it made it public um and said you know Vos needs support around him and whatnot and then the media play on it and they have a laugh about it right they zoom up to the box and they say oh have a look at the brains trust up there in the Box you know you got Hansen you got Cruiser you got Hamill you got Jordan Russell whatnot and then Vos is the king of this on the sidelines he's a king of just crossing his just like this right Crossing his arms so for this year I don't I I I don't have an answer right it's all illusion it's all a mirage you know you can explain maybe the last couple years but this is [ __ ] when you when you you come out of a game with more injuries than goals I don't think I've ever heard of that we' we've set another embarrassing record right before the game they're talking about 160 years you know history oh well we've got a Coler we got a Coler let's celebrate the Coler on the Jersey right how we win Flags every decade next year is 30 years that's more than one generation can I can I um ask a question I had this chat I went on fan cams the other night spoke to Terry um and uh he brought up a good point and I want to I want to kind of build on that point do you guys think um that we are burdened by the past do you think that the Club is burdened by our history as in you're saying it's a it's a real unrealistic expectation and they try to live up to it and we can't is that is that I I um so I'll give you my my opinion it's harder to explain what what I mean without giving an opinion I think I think that we are we are just dead set living trying to reach those expectations of the past um exactly the needs to stop dwelling on the past yes we've won 16 flags and and that should be celebrated absolutely but we haven't won one in 30 [ __ ] years you you're showing 160 years of of you know whatever mate just [ __ ] try to win just try to get to a contest I watched a [ __ ] video yesterday that was the perfect summary of our game yesterday and it was someone posted it one of the Carlton pages on Facebook and I try to avoid all social media when we lose because it gets [ __ ] brutal I don't know about you boys but I get [ __ ] private messages from a lot of Callingwood supporters people that don't even know me but they feel like they need to inbox me of you watching [ __ ] oh mate someone someone registered my number for Beyond blue and suicide watch I believe it but pinet lost the contest and his direct opponent ran p took two I want say quick steps but he took two steps and then just stopped while his opponent just ran and if that if that doesn't epitomize yesterday like mate we you can say they were tired these are professional [ __ ] athletes we'd be tired running out a game but these are professional athletes these guys are getting paid six figures some of them seven they should be able to run out a game doesn't you know they don't have to win but effort and the actual Fitness to do so should be a non-negotiable as a professional athlete I think that's what people forget these are professionals everyone's like oh but they're only human these are professional athletes these are supposed to be the best in the country at what they do remember that Elite bringing the kids we've been saying for weeks so so this is what I'm asking do you guys think that the club is burdened by the past do you think we we put too much value on the past probably do you think it's hurting the current team I don't think it should though to be honest yeah I mean I don't think the team really gives a [ __ ] about it I don't think the team gives a [ __ ] about the the jumper that they're wearing because if they did then maybe they might play with a bit more Pride with a bit more passion what we saw in the weekend had none of that had none of it I'm I'm not going to speak for them but I don't think like a Jesse mlop gives a [ __ ] about a Wayne harms or a jinko or a mdy Kennedy cares about you know Dean rice I don't I don't think they do they don't even know who they are so maybe maybe why you this is the thing right we Australian sport culture history it's enriched in the AFL the clubs that how you can't just do you separate that and say no stay away or you can't that's what the whole uh what do they call Spirit of Carlton or whatever the [ __ ] it is that's what they that's built on right do do you do you not roll these guys out and give a guard of Honor and get him to do speeches and this and then then we'll turn around and say well before car and coling would you should get someone that knows the fixure to come and tell them about the significance of it so it's it's a double-edged sword I I I wish I had an answer for it I I just you know what maybe those path players should have jumped on and had a crack that would probably showed more effort I feel sorry for them this was supposed to be a tribute to those a tribute match to those guys those guys who who bled for the club who bled for the [ __ ] fck a monogram and we put up that the [ __ ] out of here man embarrassing performance we've got two we've got two weding in the um in the back room we'll get we'll start to get them on um this is going to be a long show by the way hit the like button if you haven't already and let me it's half an hour in this gonna be a long show um let me quickly give a shout out as well firstly um to our sponsor before you you get a couple guests in big thank you to Blues crypto.com of course as well for getting around us if you haven't checked out Blues crypto.com get around to the website and all the socials big thank you to ur The Man Behind Blues crypto as 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anymore actually don't know you know playing for the jumper are you playing for a Coleman are you playing for i w I always land Crips but you playing for for him to get a brown low what are you playing for playing for a flag you playing for your fans who knows man who knows who knows are you saying it's more about individual Awards once again aside from the the team goal realistically the whole team I I don't think it is but not everyone's on board and when and when um when one on board and you can see a weak effort from from one player you get the same weak effort from another and then it spread it's just snowballs it's snowballs right it's just snowballs after that are there any particular that you have in mind players that could be causing this um no not it's no one that I I could probably sort of single out but um there were some efforts that were actually yeah I could there were some efforts that were just not there like like mcgavin's head was was so far in the ground that he didn't want to be there he didn't want to be there he didn't want to be there but before we get to Hollands before we get to Hollands how funny was mgov in defense yesterday he was a comedy show yeah he got an assist for a m that was something else um pound you got a [ __ ] Lis get closer to the mic man and bring me a tea while you're at if anyone he's my brother long lost brother I've lost I've actually lost my voice since the the V spray calling and then another one uh on yesterday so I'm slightly getting it back but um like P one stage I think it was two years ago whenever it was he was number one um hit has to Advantage looked amazing right um you know on Sunday he he looked like he he was like I said George he was that slow he thought he was still playing against Dary Cameron black was lost he was he didn't know what he didn't know what he was doing reminds me of that big guy from Happy Gilmore you know when he's you know when he's chasing what's his name it looks like he reminds with that guy when he runs I believe that jacket belongs to Mr Gilmore yeah Happy Gilmore is like porn for a m that's like his [ __ ] golf like por Nana Happy Gilmore is a great movie brilliant great movie where do we go from here I've been saying for weeks I'm not worried are you worried I You' you've been telling me that you're not worried and he's looking at me like shut up man it seems to be worried about I'm not worried I'm still not worried over it you know you you know what do is Dos is that you know that uh meme where it's like I'm not worried but it's a dog and the house is burning around you yeah this this is the best this is shades of 2022 big big 2022 Vibes like the just having to relive it again thankfully thank God our season's not going to end by Collingwood thank God right thank God we're already out of the eight like it could be worse it could end um at the at the hands of [ __ ] silda the the most nothing Club I've ever seen before so if we win this week against West Coast if we win we got a forward line yeah true four forwards are gone out true but it's all good we're bring in leis young oh that's what we'll do we'll bring in leis young probably marchbank if he's not folded in a corner somewhere put Kemp up forward and run B will R I'll be very surprised if they if they actually name Jackson bins I'd be very surprised depending on how he went in the vfl I I don't know but I lose midfielders we are any of them did we actually lose any midfielders they're lost in the wagon bro I'm telling you he won't he won't get a game he'll play out Vos will bait him and on Thursday night team selection or whatever he'll be like come on down Jack Carol he'll bait him that way he's not get he's not getting in it's been a pleasure we got a couple others waiting um but thank you for coming on um thank you boys we'll see you have fun thanks bro who's that Morris Morris Morris turn a lot on mate Boys Boys Boys we're morning but this is my third fourth week of morning I told you guys we cooked I kept on telling you it's season over um and I told you guys yesterday we had a run of it's been a [ __ ] season we had five weeks where we hit the ground running media came out second on the ladder and what was the difference our bottom six started playing good football and what do we do we go to them and say we need you to tick all these boxes they did and all of a sudden you from on the scrap Heap again and Inc comes your Cals incomes um your mlops chera is another one um that that's what changed it for me chera and C coming in they just every week you you we've had four or five changes every week There's been no stability um and you you look at it the club teases us bro and we're a dysfunctional organization I don't care what anybody says last year was a bluff for all of us okay our recruiting and Andy I've told you many times our recruiting is so wrong you take look look at look at our draft picks like last year we take a kid that's 187 CM as our first pick there's 300 of them running around in the competition have a look at our list we've got 10 of the one player okay we we're calling I watched the podcast a jumper punch podcast blue mon blue Sunday um David ree Jones last week David ree Jones was on it for about an hour and he spoke about his days and he spoke about how if they had a bad game the coach would actually berate them in front of everyone family teammates now they're all loved you know oh you're not allow to say this to him you're not allow to say that to him it's a paycheck for them boys they don't care we're all hurting today you reckon they give a [ __ ] no they they run off the ground laughing after after the loss you know it's it it's frustrating Brad Lloyd what's he done but he's he works off his um his brother's name like like I I I feel I feel for Voss because you get a little bit of Intel and the Intel that I get is he's not able to be himself that there's several there's several groups within the club that is still there where there's player dictation like we talk we'll talk Jack Carrol yeah now you you go back the first two gam yeah yeah it's cripper loves him all right pitting it the Midfield the Midfield love working for him I'll give you a stat about P that I've been banging on for two years that he should never wear the jumper again have a look at when pitet plays we lose remember that stat that they had every time foggy played his win record how it was in the positive that we at one stage we never lost well with petet we don't win you know Andy mean you watch and it's not about rck contests mean you watched that show last week the Bulldogs actually play to lose to lose every r contest that's the that that's what they've adopted in this in their in their play um we've got um Primadonna is players I don't and you know what I you know I'm sick to death of them teasing us they ruin um like today today was therapy day for every Cal supporter um you know and you've got the same culprits like cripper like I was chor made of mine and it was like maybe he maybe he's got to go to West Coast oh actually it was you Andy okay maybe he's got to go to West Coast and piss off from the club and do the best thing for him because obviously the message that he's sending goes in one year and at the other um with with the other players you know you've got a you've got a hand full of like Kane K hit the nail on the head with mcgaven he's a contract player he'll play well um when his contracts up and yesterday's performance totally unacceptable the only thing that I'll hang my hat on and give him an out is there was 49 interchanges they were cooked yeah but in saying that you guys mentioned it before they're professional athletes yeah look at soccer they'll play uh professional soccer in Europe they'll play three matches in five days between League um champions league and that so they train for this and we keep going to the same well like I I'll tell you guys the the this week will be marchbank le young Carol um I got a I got a great one for you guys back from injury had his first game in the twos Cory Duran's back I I'll I'll challenge you on a couple things Morris the stat about you know when so and so plays we win so and so plays we loses that goes back to my point about everything being a mirage and and and fake because the stat is with with uh Rio in the team I think we were like N9 and four or something like that right and we've gone on a losing streak without him and and I I I I Ru the day that Crips would ever leave this club because again we we keep talking about player entitlements and things like that as well but this this guy's broken he's back for this team but you can see he gives a [ __ ] right week in week out the thing is he's the only one the thing is I I look at different teams in their approach with their players right I don't think a John Longmire or a Craig McCrae needs to yell and berate their players whatnot because the players are switched on they they understand on every line at every time what they need to do and they're switched on from get-go to the end right there might be off games what not I feel like with our club there there's this codling like for like that that's not going to work right so unfortunately yes if you if it means you need to be firm on them because that's the type of you know players they are there's like a mental fragility and codling that's accept it at the club right I I don't think um like a John longm would come in and coddle the these plays I'm not blaming Voss Voss remember that he was coached by Lee Matthews and that whole group I think Luke po was still at the club as well Luke po there whatnot Voss was one of the toughest players I've ever seen growing up ever right now I I know that doesn't necessarily always translate we we spoke about this yesterday Morris being a great player doesn't necessarily mean you're a great coach correct but and a lot of the talk has been well unfortunately now it's been cheap a lot of the talk is great but nothing's translating to to things on the field and then you know you hear cook saying that we need support around Voss because Voss is is learning as well okay so get that support get the proper support um and don't be coddling the these players in this team because what where is it getting us at the end of the day right they unfortunately need to hear home truths yeah and you look at the the assistance around him like you you know I've been um banging on about like I fell off my chair when I heard we appointed Jordan Russell he came from the Bulldogs vfl team so he started there and it was around their Premiership era and then he went to North Melbourne he comes to us we get Aaron Hamill now Hamill's Hamill's been in the industry for a while we spoke yesterday Matthew Cruz is our rck coach like he hardly plugged himself there or is it we've given a mate a job do you know like you look at the other clubs they'll go and Target like there's a coach sacked there um Hawthorne yep silda sack BR Ren what does Hawthorne do yep come here come to us Richmond do it Collingwood do it and if we go back to the coaches I love Voss I want to stick with Foss I don't think co uh sacking the coaches is the answer we could get Chris Scott from jalong would still be in the same position because it's a culture thing at the club that needs to change for for the coach to come out as a Victor all right but I had a conversation with my cousin last week and we spoke about collingwood's Premiership side last year you got you look at all their Billy Frampton um uh who else who El they had there was about five six players that wouldn't get a game in majority of the clubs but they get a to do and it's all um systems and processes that they hit that they hit they're they got a job Billy framp like Billy Frampton last week pushed Harry mcai around like he was a like he was an 18y old kid now David Reese James was big on it last week we need brute we need someone in defense that's a monster and that's what they and that's what these guys always had you know like make him shave their head can can can I Flo a suggestion to you guys in the chat about about defense um we've always said mcgavin's a pivotal part of the defense this year for for what he does for weering and others right I I felt like the him and Kemp together just the brain Fades and getting sucked into contests and all that had just hurts to watch right and and geez some of his decision making kicking yesterday between him and Holland will'll get to that was one of Holland is a dad Holland is a dad I'm just gonna put that out there go on we we we'll get to Hollands in the SEC definitely but that's OE not Elijah of course but anyway B is the best but um would you see so we we constantly do this thing about uh failed forwards going to defense right mcgaven Liam Jones and whatnot Rory and we talk Rory L we talk about we talk about um needing people that give a [ __ ] are going to give 110% effort brutes physical players they're going to give 110% right next year in preseason God willing he's all fit and doing well genetic DNA is there I called this San I called this ages ago do you try it do you do it 100% I I I said it a year ago why why why wouldn't you like too slow I wouldn't bro weering weering ain't the quickest either Steven Steven May is not the quickest but you know you know what KL I'll challenge you on that I actually reckon that you can even um if you don't want to put SS in defense you could even put uh you can even um turn him into a mid I reckon he's got the I reckon he's got the tank he's he's gonna give 110% no matter what right like we've seen that with him I I just thought in defense they're talking about Nick Hayes you know getting an experienced player plug the defense help weering out weering needs all the help he can get because opposition fans know just put it through to the player who's not on wiering eventually they come up trumps they'll get they'll get a few goals so yeah let's move on can iose another question to you guys hurry up let's go hurry up Morris we've got a show to run mate come on this isn't this isn't the Morris show mate it's not the Monday Morris hey just quickly welcome we need BR strength we need a monster in the backline then endorsees syvan it's in the blood um what how do you guys feel on player Integrity where it's the same it's the same block of guys that always get get the Cho in Block right like you look at last year when we were flying we all turned remember remember the comments that Kemp should never be dropped that was me yeah yeah have we killed him hell where he's scared now if he stuffs up is going to get dropped cuz he's probably been dropped three four times this year he's the whipping yeah he's he's The Whipping Boy for Voss yeah when things go bad it's usually his his goto drop drop cemp is my mic working by the way yeah he gets dropped for a week though but you know what we've been doing this for years it's always the same players in we never give the new kids a run nothing changes it's culture man it's it's been like this for 10 years plus the same guys with the bigger names get a game the rest don't it's always like that well there's a debut this week Andy Andy's Andy oh that PO thank you for joining Morris who's next have a good night bro Che Morris mate Johnny hold it Johnny hey how are you Johnny [ __ ] Holden talk pretty well considering eats a lot of hemorrhoid cream and he's got such a small mouth um good to see you yesterday mate yeah yeah it was good um just did in regards to that I ended up lining up five times can I just say the best thing about the during I was having a great morning right lining up seeing Johnny Johnny like come in line up with us right um go back around snag another one we're going to the car John's like going back again you know I'll your spot yeah well I did and you joined the line and we we got another lot so fans were again might as well enjoy it yeah that's good yeah well you know I got some for not not just myself but also my son I got one for my daughter but he didn't want one so I ended up you know I'll probably end up selling them and or swapping them for the ones that I don't have so you know how how many did you get I reckon you got that many you probably turned into a Bubblehead I got five but anyway um in regards to what Morris was saying um like with KM the one thing I do know with Kemp um watching him with the other guys he he takes off and leaves his man a lot and you see weering constantly not so much parade him but but get into him like stop leaving your man he he chases the ball he forgets he's the defender and where he's his guy is and he gets sucked into following the ball um and then all of a sudden when it starts coming over it's he panics you can see it in his eyes he panics and he's he's constantly that three four meters behind and he fails to get there in time um in regards to like pido like you were saying before about how he he literally just come to a stop after a couple steps that was every that was happening all day Jesse like I reckon I saw him do it about six times he just gave up um I saw Elijah give up in the third quarter but he was spent you could tell he'd been running all day and he was just exhausted um I questioned Brad Lloyd myself um you have a look at a lot of the things that have gone wrong with this club especially since he's been at the helm everyone else gets the chop except him and he's a head of football he's who's making all these calls um our line coaches um you're talking about Jordan Russell and that um before like the guy can coach I mean he he coached um so does Aaron Hamill but are they are they in the right line um that's the question I mean people go how can Hamill be um a backline coach when he played forward what would he know well he played on a bman so he'd know what a bman did to him um a line coach they get taught how to um coach against all lines not just where they played football at um you know you can't just be oh you played as a Batman therefore that's what you are look at Clarkson clar I remember Clarkson as a player he was a [ __ ] [ __ ] he was [ __ ] he was an absolute [ __ ] kicker yet he's one of the all-time great coaches um Damen Hardwick was just a a hard-nosed thug but he had that work ethic they both had that work ethic where they had to work at it what Andy said before like success breeds success I've always believed it how can you set an example if I was a coach at cartton I have no idea what it takes to be a Premiership footballer never done it so how can I preach to the boys this is what it takes to be a Premiership player I got no [ __ ] idea Aaron Hamill's got no idea Jordan Russell's got no idea I tell you who does Justin liage Michael Voss They Know What It Takes um vossy is he being handcuffed by above because you look at him after was it jalong he came up and basically that's not acceptable blah blah blah and he was really hard and firm he hasn't been that guy ever since he's been humbled and every time you can see it in his face he wants to say something but he can't has he been handcuffed that from above where they've said you can't speak that way because even cripper you saw him on the weekend with his press conference he looked like he wanted to say more that was handcuff like you can't say what you really want to say is that happening um I felt the as well I felt the same with BL ak's interview as well yeah 100% you could see it yeah good call because you you've got you've got this the club is about PR so much about PR right that's that's it's the vision and and the visual and the Optics that's what the club's been about right and it happens time and time again where they release a feel-good story after a bad loss you know this person signed or have a look at this or you know it's yeah we've been down for so long they need to keep building the club up every week if it's not with bubbleheads or Jumpers or whatever it may be and that's fine for us supporters now if that affects the playing group we've got huge issues because if players are thinking about jumpers with collars 160 birthday celebration bobbleheads being given away out the front these guys are not the players I'm sorry but but that's if that's what they're they're thinking oh I didn't play well today because my I didn't get a Bubblehead you know under my my you know that looked like me you know I've been here longer than him why didn't I get one if they've got that attitude we're in serious [ __ ] um the other thing I was going to say was um with regards to like our injuries like we are really hamstrung with injuries at the moment now we don't have much to choose from and that's one of the biggest problems we've got you were saying before about we keep getting rid of the same guys all the time and bringing in the same BLS like Jack Carol and that well I know for a fact like with bins yeah he gets 40 touches he turns it over 35 times he doesn't run backwards he he runs around like Jesse motlop on his own doesn't pick up his his man he's all by himself playing all for himself and he's been told that he can't play Bin's football it's Caron football and that's part of the reason why he's not going any further he's got to learn as a team not as an individual and that's why I'm I'll be surprised if he actually gets a game this week because he he he doesn't know how to play any other position other than just run and do whatever you want so he fit right in yeah basically fit he can't do it from the backline he can't do it from the forward line he can't play on the wing no so like that's the thing like if we didn't lose a midfielder I can't see where he comes in and if he does then he's playing out of position yeah and that's the thing I mean we might not have a choice I mean if we're if they're talking like six and seven players that not going to be out this week we got to fill them with something so maybe Lord maybe ly I'd be giving ly a go look he's on an opportunity absolutely why don't you think they will because it's the same [ __ ] we this is what we want though we want these young kids to come through but we it's not going to happen you're going to get your March bank and L young back that's what's going to happen but look at jalong jalong have a really really good way of doing it they don't play players until they're ready or it's an absolute necessity due to injury they let them sit there for two three four years until they get the system and they get it done right before they get bring them in they don't bring them in and destroy their careers like we do because we need someone to play a game oh our draft pick was number two put Patty Dow in and let's kill him bring luy O'Brien in because he was second pick pick number 10 bring him in and kill him we don't we do that you have a look at those other side they don't do that um you know I I just think our coaching side of the game we are we're not experienced enough like Voss has been what this is his third year I think he had three years at Brisbane very very early on and then got the bullet and he's been assistant ever since so he's still a baby um Jordan Russell he's still a baby um in Co in AFL ranks he did vfl but not AFL they're going to come in with ideas it takes a while for these for these guys to sort of figure it out I mean if they come in with 10 ideas and only six of them work they'll come back next year with another 10 ideas and you might get another four or five that might work which then goes to 11 out of 20 or 12 out of 20 type thing it takes time and this is what I was saying to the guys on um jumper punch and also on Blue abroad you have a look at all the good sides it takes minimum bare minimum five years from the time a coach gets there until they're even closely successful except the doggies they're the exception to the rule and people forget about Collingwood they had a Premiership side pretty much when McCrae walked in like they' played in The Grand final two final series had one bad year like we're having this year with injuries and then the following year McCrae got there and took them to where he's taken him so I I think it's just 25 26 will be our years I think we don't we still don't have all the cattle um we need to get guys um we need a good Defender you know we we all got sucked in with March bank and his last couple of games in the final series hoping and praying that he would be that player that we remember in 2019 and the last game and his body's let him down again and he'll be gone Martin's got to go um if if it was me I I wouldn't have kept Williams on um when he's there he's good but when he's not there he's about as good as Cuda we might as well have cter on our list because he's never going to play and that's what we got with Martin you know we got all these guys who were on the list but they just don't show up and they can't that's the story of a lot of players spot onny that's that's the story for cers for marchbank for Martin it's it's the you know when they're there it's nice yeah you know um mov he's not up to it he just doesn't look like he's going to do anything that domay unfortunately he's been on the list now four years I think it is and he don't even look close to getting the game he can't even run out a full vfl game NL so I think you know got about six or seven that'll moved on come Year's End um you got to remember like half our problem stems from Steven Sani I've said this all along I remember him when he got to the club and his motto was about getting guys who were injured that were overlooked if we can get their body right we've got a bargain and that was his big philosophy and he would draft and trade guys who were injured because he could get them cheap and and easy because they'd be overlooked if we get their body right we've got a bargain how's that working for us about four four four mil after a few years for Martin doesn't look so good now we're looking at Nick now aren we that are not on the list anymore that we've moved on now Nick Austin's come in and you can't get rid of everybody too quick because we did that when Bolton got there and and it killed us we cut too deep and it really hurt us so you got to do it in dribs and drabs and it's like five and six at a time at most we don't have I've said it we got about 80 85% of our Premiership side we still need a few more I don't I I honestly don't believe McGavin is one of them he goes here goes missing too much and you said it before when it's a um uh a contract year he plays out of his skin once he gets that second year he goes missing and he's always injured he's not reliable you look at all the Premiership sides the one thing they all had was reliability consistency absolutely they were there every week and they learned to play with each other our guys I don't think mcgavin's ever played a full season I think he's probably played 16 maybe 17 games at bet once I don't think he's play a quarter I think we've only got a dozen play players that can run out a season and say we've played every game like you look go through the names you got pido unfortunately s mcgaven Cunningham marchbank Duran both durans Williams Martin like all all these names can't can't run chera now chera like five hamstrings in last 12 months we got there's so many players that the bar the criteria set now can you run out four quarters yeah that's that's that's where we're at now yeah now we're going to find out next year and the year after I suppose if it's if it's Andrew Russell or is it the player now like I said some of these players came with a broken body and we've tried the Band-Aid fixing and we just can't so who knows yeah I think I think recruitment recruitment this year will be will be massive it's important recruit it'll be one of our biggest years and um because we've got such a big list I mean camparelli boys are coming next year but if we think that these two young kids are going to turn our club around we're kidding ourselves yeah um they're going to take time um one of them apparently is an absolute Superstar the other one's just a good ordinary player um but don't expect him to be Nick D because he's not and and that's what worries me Johnny that's what worries me people are gonna think people are going to put the day cost comparisons from the start yeah 100% you know he's a Father and Son we've got two they've got two our our camparelli was a he was a Premiership player Doos was a Prem they'll draw comparisons they'll come up short and then the club will turn on or the supporters will turn on them they'll be on social media and oh these guys are [ __ ] they're no good and I'm scared it's going to hurt their career or kill their career they probably won't even get a game with us let's be real they'll probably stuck in the vfl well if anything going B Johnny said before we we we ruined some of these uh overhyped I guess by the fan base or the club draft picks we slot them in from the start and kill their careers we've done it time and time again but that's what I'm saying is absolutely if they're ready but don't bring them in because we have to roll out our first round draft pick like we had to previously because that's all we had for so long we had nothing but first rounders that's all we had so problems everywhere thanks to on [Music] and the big Scotty Scotty y Good Fellas are thanks for sticking with us mate back to follow Johnny [ __ ] Holden I'll tell you that I've been like George for the last 24 hours to be honest 40 bring I'll bring the pegs yeah I picked it up from the IG across from flinder Street and I drove home while smashing the fruy lefts should have made a detour to Pas Val mate bottle of Pas true true true well um kind of um I'm doing the old uh uni tutorial here everyone's kind of said what I was going to say I won't pass on there's only one thing that kind of came to mind it was more of a cultural issue within the club because you know pre-season club's you know addicted to media and they were putting out their summer sessions podcast and because I'm just a little [ __ ] in the head I pick up on things here and there and when they had Blake acers on for his interview there was something that he said that I'm surprised that they even that they didn't like edit out because it said so much to me and it was really a poor reflection on the player in question but he said that one of the biggest things that cut him uh over the SE over the pre-season was the fact that OE Hollands had um dropped his number of 14 to take up four and uh had moved his locker away from blakers as a result of that and that um Blake was kind of appointed at his as his mentor in his first year and because you know I know the K he was only like 18 at the time but because he chased a big a bigger number that meant so much to the club and kind of sport that relationship and just cuz something like that something that seems was probably just a passing at anecdote for Blake but for me like when I picked up on that I was like [ __ ] man like how is anybody at the top not picking up on something on that and not realizing how I can Cascade throughout a season or within a playing group it's just it's something that seems so small to me but when you look in hindsight imagine how many of those small things are happening throughout the club that just aren't being picked up on which in a serious motivated Club you wouldn't have these kind of I know these kind of happening between your players where it's just sorry just toar the call though ABS I had no idea about that yeah never heard of that what the only one that actually listens to those [ __ ] podcasts but it's true but but but Scotty that's a great pickup you know why because now now that said reading into it over the course of the season and Blake being his mentor you've gone from all right I've upgraded my number to a you know a cult number in four and it's not just any number it's not just any number yeah but but but then as a result of that right your your locker mates and the people you you you sit with and you see them every day a bit closer than others are acas and docky to motlop and chera not knocking them but but knock 100% knock them I'll knock both of them acers and docky right so you've got senior leadership players right players that so so you'd want to be and if you're oie Holland you'd want to be learning from these guys right so that's that's a yeah good call Scott and it can go either way because on the inside of the caller on the gy it says the number on the back of this gy um is not as important as the monogram on the front um which you know [ __ ] the Legacy number who gives a [ __ ] it's just the number but then there's other like Blake AES in that same interview said and MD cotell said as well the most important thing to him is to have his name on that on his locker for that number he couldn't care what the number was but he want like the number that he got that was the most important thing to him not not the not the actual number that somebody else had warn previously yeah yeah I had no idea that that happened Legacy I'll tell you what you said something you said something about you know it doesn't happen at like you know big clubs or you know good clubs good teams and all that it probably does but it doesn't hit the [ __ ] media like it did get out you know what I mean in Ben Cousins number I don't think I've ever seen anyone from westos like make that comparison yes it's it's Ben Cousins but if it was Carlton and we had a play like that like if Harley Reed came in and put on Patrick ks's number they'd think it was you know it was Destiny yeah yeah yeah exactly and that goes back to what I said like we're we're a legacy club we we're so focused on our on our past what Legacy I was I was born in 94 I was literally named after Scott camper Al I don't I don't care about all I want to see is for them to make their own legac like who cares and then when they like trotting out all these past plays I don't think they've ever listened to a [ __ ] word they've actually said David RE Jones says it all the time and you pick it up like even with diesel some of these others you know the type of block that they are they all say the same things in regards to how they got brought up uh pet mcconville V Vinnie cogio and that they say how brutal it was back then at princess park it used to say that um well coming like coming seconds is as big as a loss whatever but now it's like actually the biggest thing that David Reese Jones said on Sunday was that when he went on 360 uh the media representative from Carlton was coaching him on what to say saying oh it's been a rough few weeks we've had a few injuries it's not being the same but we're going to be up and he was he was flabbergasted and so was I like it's a joke well yeah well he got the you got the right there a man who actually built his own legacy and he telling him what to say about his Club not weering not a nameless person who hides in the shadows of Princess Park as David RE Jones and you're telling him what to say because it's on Fox hoodie you could tell so um I watched him on uh blue Sunday I think that's what it's called on the jumper punch andant I watch I watched him that week so I watched the show just before the 360 appearance and he he went off right he he drilled the boys hard and then his language was totally different on AFL 360 and I just knew he's been told what to say like that's a bit of that I think he's also uh he's a fairly mature professional guy but it also go I re if anybody from the inside of Carlton actually watched fan content or at least good fan content there's no chance I would have let him go on 360 because he's honest that's right yeah it's and that's that's the rhetoric from the club right like from from the inside it's all sunshine and rainbows and and and you know sunflowers and things like that that's what they want you to see and feel and hear and get around the players and and coddle them and and and the fans yesterday um you know the the the overall positivity about no just stick with the boys and get around them and this and that and I get it to him an extent right but they are just constantly constantly enabling this culture and that behavior just constantly right there's I think George it's it's an acceptance of of mediocrity an acceptance of losing this losing culture is just accepting I just want to build on what you just said so I've been reading the comments all night right and I've seen multiple people say and and people we know that we shouldn't make finals and and you what's the point what's the point that's the [ __ ] loser mentality that this club has [ __ ] instilled into the fans now do you know what I mean no you want to [ __ ] make finals even if we finish eight and get [ __ ] pumped in the first round you want to make finals finals is the goal a Premiership is the goal just because we're hurt and upset doesn't mean we don't want to n bro you want to win you want to win every [ __ ] game every contest every quarter that's what the aim should be this loser mentality is like entrenched in our fabric of the football club we tanked for years to get draft picks right maybe we didn't tank maybe we didn't maybe we just [ __ ] right but [ __ ] it looked like we were tanking at some points you've built that Foundation of losing right and I thought we were [ __ ] over it I thought we had passed it and and just in a few weeks we've just gone back to that defe attitude on field like we're just defe do you honestly think that the players can they can they sense the moment I know obviously doesn't look like it I don't think they can I I somewhat disagree iic and it's just a um it's a what is it like it's a it's a strategy or a tactic or like a defense mechanism for us just to just not to hurt does that make sense like we say oh it doesn't matter if we make finals in in a way to just protect our own feelings and emotions we've been through this so much of course we all want to make finals I think a lot of it's out of anger to if you think it's been rough this last week what do you think the next two weeks is going to be like I want us to make finals the hardest steal is forg in the hottest fire and they think that this the last 24 hours has been tough they're going to get ripped to shreds no matter what for the next fortnite and then coming into that first week of finals even we miraculously have a fresh list again and we're at Peak they're going to get everything that's been coming and that's going to make them better and it's got nothing to do with everybody that stands behind them it's all about those that are on the field at that point and I hope they learn every single chance they get because they're going to be better for it but they're not going to learn unless they're there exactly the only people say let's not like I don't want them to make finals that's just that's just venting it's frustration It's Kind it's um what it it's it's cathartic motion but at the end of the day I still I still want to see the boys and blues up there in September but [ __ ] like I also I can't I can't I'm I enjoy catharus myself I kind of like being a c supporter on my life I almost enjoy living in that dread because I want them to feel how I feel because I can pick myself up out of it can they too we we're all kind of sick we're all kind of Twisted we're like J man we're a bit like oh we're sadistic we love this [ __ ] and and this this has been probably our most viewed live because cartton supporters hit the like button freers hit the button exactly exactly I want to say t brother we're at 91 likes get us to 100 we've been over 200 viewers since we started guys get us to 100 at least hit everyone hit the like button now but you spot on Andy we Chase we chase this I don't know what the melona serona whatever the chemical in the brain is we chase this High Ser dopamine that we chase this High when we win like you look at you know the the the second Melbourne game and then the Melbourne semi and then um the Brisbane opening round all the lows are just another you know a wave crashing just to hit that high again right and we're all like we're literally c sporters as a whole B we're like crack at just give me that give me that next win right and then you get that down like I don't want to see him kick a goal I wanted to see a [ __ ] 38 till the end yes yes I want to watch the that exactly what you just exactly what you just said I want to watch the world [ __ ] burn that's how it feels when you're angry at the game and any other club like [ __ ] in Collingwood FL flogs uh ebgs when they're losing they're out they're gone they're like I don't give a I don't care about footy anymore my season's over I don't want to think about it till next week I want to sit there in bed rolling rolling over two full seasons of the car Premiership TV show like fully scripted in my [ __ ] head we've got a group chat all going got a group chat on WhatsApp and it goes off right during games during the week it goes off after a bad loss there's always one person someone one of us will message at [ __ ] two or 3 in the morning just [ __ ] this club [ __ ] this [ __ ] club hey but like I said earlier we're still G to rock up we're still going to go to the games we're still going to pay our memberships we're still going to do this we're going to have that community and and look this is a positive yeah things like this these kind of therapy sessions build a community right so I just wish we were winning Flags in instead of [ __ ] getting flogged at the G so Scotty it's been a pleasure thank you so much for coming on Pleasure for you fell too enjoy that drink mate enjoy the gorge you're you're off the L this month all right Tre yourself just is broken on on Scot Dam it Justin quickly before we get to ad Justin in the chat want a hug from Carl telling me it's gonna be all right I can tell you I got one of those yesterday and it's kind of nice um we all need one of those aen thanks for being B get off your chest bro get it off your chest do it firstly sorry you know what I said at the start I said will will that [ __ ] will that will that loose like most's legs on the Instagram story wasn't even [ __ ] funny oh [ __ ] that's how loose we were in the all over the ground what [ __ ] do you know how relaxed M was at the gym by the way today I'm at the gym with M today and I'm like um have fun tonight when I said bye have fun tonight like I will mate you you have fun you know you're going to be stress he was just smiling I was like this guy's so lucky man the only place hey Chuck the mic get your phone a bit closer maybe bro yeah can you hear me yeah that's better yeah yeah so like I uh I actually called called in sick for the for that [ __ ] yesterday [ __ ] I had I was really op I was really confident leading to the week I'm like oh yeah like after that fourth quarter against Collingwood after what V said and how [ __ ] said oh it's it's a tight [ __ ] year and all that stuff they're G to come out I knew we lost the minute they K those two quick goals immediately yeah like like F I thought we're over this [ __ ] I thought we over getting pumped by 72 points like how can you wear a jumper and like I'm not not going to lie it it was a PR like shame for the whole week that jump out it was just a PR [ __ ] shame from the whole club to release bubbleheads and to have every interview the whole week in regards to 160 years and all that like they just dragged it out they actually just dragged it it was just a PR shame this club's a PR [ __ ] machine we have been that for like six seven eight 10 years now and the fact that you've got like Legends um looking at them while they're coming and you've got cribs touching the collar in their like little huddle thing I don't know what he said by the way and you've got Legends watching you play that have bled in that jump that have killed themselves to win a flag and to win games and they're watching them play in it expecting oh yeah they're going to come out embrace the 160 years embrace the jum what do they do they do what they've done in the last 10 to five years play like [ __ ] [ __ ] and that I'm like even kidding the when we're getting pumped the one thing I was thinking about is just all those Legends watching and how are they thinking because they were there from minute one to the last second I'm like how are they like if I'm CA fees I would be [ __ ] ashamed of all of those players wearing his jumper because it's not theirs it's his he killed himself wearing that do they care I don't like let's be honest the players like they talk to them every single um every year the past players come out I don't even think the players give a [ __ ] about them to be honest they don't the players don't care which is just like the like the like the club that they they just drown our past so much like if you're successful I would understand but the fact that we've been [ __ ] for so long it's just a PR for them they don't care I'm waiting for the field good story to come out this week it's what we do when we get smashed or we have a really bad loss that the club PS puts out a post they're giving something away or they they signed someone for you know five years such a food story Cory Duran's de sister will jump on that's what we do they they they just give us these soft moments just to just to deflect away from the loss and and unfortunately a lot of the fans just eat it up you know you know what burns me more though like you get these comments oh I feel so for this player I feel so for why do you going home their multi-million dollar house and $100,000 car and they're all healthy and all good why you feel sorry for them they couldn't give a [ __ ] about us They Don't Care look they don't care I don't want to name names but I feel like name names bro I feel like there's just a couple arrogant players that are in tell me who for example M because y we name names on this podcast bro for for example mcgaven I remember in his pre in his interview after the Melbourne game in preseason he acted all arrogant like he acted all arrogant even against Richmond I'm like why you being arrogant for you've done [ __ ] all for the last six seven years you you you just milk up the whole club you've made you what 1.2 million that's all you care about you don't care about the fans you don't care about anything none of them do probably chis probably Harry probably Char the rest I don't think they care they don't care enough Fair Point goes on like they like do they like when you're watching them play do you honestly think that they play for the jumpering because I don't think they do I saw MLB jog jog I'm telling you I've seen a lot of footage on Facebook but that that one I mentioned earlier by pitet just summed it up for me what did he what what did he do well enjoy it because we got him till the end of 2027 yeah I don't know know why he's here for I don't know he gave up a I know just a loose ball whatever and then he just gave up on the chase just literally two steps you know what you know what kills me about PID is that direct opponents like in any who was that Lloyd Meek right these other there's all these other Ruckman that that yes they might look like big brutes or whatever but they can make ground they can Mark a ball uh you know around the ground and they might be able to B up and kick goal what frustrates me is that P was actually doing a little bit of that when we first signed him yeah I don't know what's happened since yes there was you know draining the knee and all that kind of stuff his Mobility looks shot he's got nothing he it's strange just the way he mes around the ground yeah I just wanted to highlight this because I know I'm guilty of this and I reckon a lot of us will be guilty of this I'll pull my hand up yeah we we we overrated this list after what we saw last year um and we expected the world mate I think this last week was the first week I tipped against us all year I don't think I tipped against us all year but um I was so sure we have I feel like last year was an outlier if I'm being honest with you because pressure was on them first half the year they cop it from everyone fans media everyone was on them and they and they went on this little Camp I don't know they went that little Camp it worked and then they made a prelim after that I even saw it against Brisbane for a half the cracks was still there because what what we were doing in that half of 40 in opening round we're doing now first half yeah for the first half and then all and then as you said yesterday on fan cams Andy like we weren't playing good footy at the start we were just banking wins and we needed to and then when we Peak we Peak at the wrong time but we're playing out of instinct we're just playing out of our gut and then as soon as we copped second place six points clear that's when the club started getting arrogant and then that's when Vos started changing everything I don't know why he changed everything for but like I don't know really like like we have stupid we have dumb footballers they can't like I I saw them kick and whenever they hitting their target the player has to actually like move two steps forward in order to Mark the ball I I look at Hawthorne they're like 18 19 20 of years of age and they're actually kicking it to the throat of their player they're hitting targets with torps yeah hitting targets with torps it's not only that o Hollands OE Hollands and Sam Walsh and Mitch mcgaven can't hit a player 25 meters in front uncontested that Hawthorne are launching 80 M torps to an uncontested player who launches a 40 meter drop punt to uncontested player who launches a 50 m punt into the square to a 3on one their way like when when what's his name sisly did that to like ey they're taking the pie like like like what's his name on Triple M said we knew that what did he say he said we knew that Carlton normally die they don't have enough legs when he did when he did that I'm like yeah they're taking the like they weren't even in what third gear like second gear they were in probably in their four they'll just to around with us they're 19 years of age they're 2 years into their rebuild like if anything we should be putting them into to the sword and they're going to get they're going to get Battle and barass and they're going to be a top four team next year already two years into their rebuild supposedly I mean the only positive that I can say is voss's press conference was somewhat a little bit better I don't even bother it's the first time in a long time I didn't watch it cuz I was that I was that Furious I'm like he's not going to say what we want him to say I was I was broken yeah George George bro I I [ __ ] swapped my gws Coleman predictor for a Charlie predictor on Tuesday like a [ __ ] cop right in the mouth when you when you did that I'm like yeah we've [Music] lost now we were having such a good morning car we were smart with confident right everything was going well you know I was I was getting cut at how how optimistic K was during the week sunsh we get to the game yeah all right whatever double head this the sunshin we get there early we're feeling good great parking great parking you couldn't get a better car parking that right and you're there early it's good and like no something's wrong something this is this too nice too good this morning shout out Steven mccy uh ker has no like you Walsh can't hit a Target Harry is soft and they're supposed to be our best plays Steven goes whack we love a whack on the poty like I I was planning to get my bobblehead but I came in late and apparently it was all sold out so I'm like you know what [ __ ] it if's got three if anything if anything the club shouldn't release any more bobbleheads because for the past two years whenever they have we've gotten [ __ ] we've got J A cursed J A cursed Eddie bet the Eddie bets Bubblehead we got done we then I think it was a couple years ago then we popped it in the mouth right Hawks I think that I just just just can the bubbleheads gonna lose I reckon the first one you say all right bad luck the second one you say that's a coincidence he three times now three times triple triple what they what are they going to do next year put [ __ ] CRI J and CA fees on there next year I would even surprised and you know what that will work people will buy it 100% I'll be I'll be the first one in line like a dog like a dumb dog let's be real if they give you Jackson BS a Bubblehead people taking them do matter who they people line up because it's free they deserve our Bubblehead that's we have a Bubblehead fetish it doesn't look good for me here does it it doesn't look good for me at all at all it's [ __ ] I just this was before all the the [ __ ] from last year right like you know I like b c you know I don't know representing some players in there but [ __ ] bub look how we dropped off this bad I can't we we I was saying we're I was saying we are probably second to the flag this year now we can't now we now we're not going to make finals I'm conv I'm convinced this week we're going to get we've got what we've got what 100,000 injuries right now I guarantee they're not going to they're not going to play a bin they're not even going to bother playing anyone from the reserves because Voss is that stubbing he's got favorites he won't do that at all he should because someone said it before like jalong they bled in like new blood and all that like young kids why don't we do it for why what's there to lose play play a MOA play a C play I think it's our development our actual development our play development the way it's always been an issue there always been a problem I think a club [ __ ] look at look at how many top 10 talents we've burnt all around in the last six years yeah I mean In fairness I can say to that like with darale and O'Brien they got put straight in with no development at all but I think with like Cooper Lord and all that and beans they're actually getting like a little bit of time into them and apparently like um it's only my opinion but yeah like they've got enough time now just play them like in order to find out what these players are like put them in and unfortunately we have to play them when it's a must-win and we've got 6,000 injuries which is unreal well well you'll see it this with the week right if if Harry and or Charlie or both or one of them are out Louis Young's going to come in and and I'll bet anything on it they won't take a punt with Harry me just like what like take a punt you never know what yeah you you never know what what what you know what he's going to be right if you don't play him man again yes V vfl form doesn't always translate into AFL form and vice version and whatnot but take a chance right the how many success stories are there from Rookie drafted players that own National drafted players right take a chance you never know what they're going to be like yes they might come out and and and be absolute poo right for a couple games but at least guess what you know right how they fit into the system boys we we we we probably had a lighthearted chuckle Saturday night at essendon's expense but [ __ ] the reality is gez we had a chuckle because we're not them but it's worse it's worse I don't know at least we w we won a couple FS I'll take that rather I'd rather lose by 74 than lose the S get the [ __ ] out of here I've gotor really quickly Hawthorne won four premierships rebuilt and are gonna be in the finals again before ess's won a final by the way and you go I've got uh two MC Andrew rookie cards Supremacy rookies which are aging like wine at the moment he he's a star he's a genuine genuine star hey maybe we look into you know getting him out of goal Coast him why would you want to come to us we get him and then we [ __ ] him we've got a we've got a and him able head give him a bubble head he'll be [Laughter] there come on bro F going on but with like vos's messaging and all that like clearly like the way that he talked to them against after cwood I feel like that's how he talks to them inside the club if I'm being honest with you I feel like he's just a mate like arm around the shoulder like everything's going to be okay you should be I feel like he's treating them like as if they're in year 10 treat them like adults man they've been in the system for long enough like like you see John Longmire having a go at his players you who else had a GU their play their Sam Mitchell who's had a GU 18y olds meanwhile Voss is too scared to yell at 28y old men like like come on like call like just say just say that we're not just say that we're not good enough but apparently but apparently after ESS in 2022 in that 34 time speech where he had an absolute goal at them they didn't like it and they didn't appreciate it so I feel like he's had to treat them more like a mate and be more nice which say everything which says everything wrong with The Club if our players had some balls and if they could take it like real men we would be a different club we would be a completely different Club none of and none of us have been an Elite Sporting organizations right but or played at that highest level but do you think Lee Matthews is going to be the players's friend do you think aliser Clarkson is going to be their friend do you think John worall John Longmire do you think Chris Scott do you think these guys are going to be [ __ ] friends with their players no you know I heard Campbell Brown he said on his podcast that apparently he couldn't be bothered playing the in the Nab in a NAB Cup game and apparently clar had a full goal at him he said you're not playing that was brilliant you you're you're never gonna hear Vos say that to [ __ ] who wal see I don't I don't think it's Vost I reckon behind closed doors Vost has a crack I reckon it's the club in general because all the coaches we've had are soft coocks and I don't think it's the coaches themselves I think think it's the people that are high up I agree I agree I agree boss himself was a hard nut he always looks angry let's be real he looks angry yeah but then when he comes out and talks oh I like coaching he does a Bolton you know it has to be it can't be it's it's [ __ ] we're [ __ ] it's like permeated in the in in the walls of the club I don't know what it is it's just we we coined the term cized right cuz the club's that nice like we got cter [ __ ] [ __ ] like I don't get me wrong I love that I like it but we we're we're a poit we're a politically correct Club we're too into polit Political [ __ ] like we're just too nice like I guarantee if Vos said what what's his name Daman Hardwick said how we said we need to hen the [ __ ] up he'd get sacked the day after be like no you're not it's not it's not nice enough it's not good for cter specs even though it's got nothing to do with them you're going to hurt their feelings and then player morale would go down if he said that we'd be [ __ ] and the reality is we got more PR initiatives in the last decade than finals appearances that's the truth of it right yeah you're not wrong just want to give a shout out to Morris who had that uh wonderful donation earlier imagine an Andy bobblehead with real lashes it's funny bro I've been designing a Morris one with real hemorrhoids when you when you squeeze it you got to squeeze it real hard it's not good enough man like like we've made like everyone's expectations were top four The Season's already failure like if we somehow make finals and win the flag I will be shocked we're not going to do that but if I got like we make finals to win the flag I'll tattoo whatever you want me to tattoo on me whatever you want Aiden I want say I'm not gonna say here but on your forehead yeah I love no but no but seriously if I was talking to them like tomorrow I'd be like you guys are [ __ ] 29 years of age you're not kids just grow some balls and take some criticism because you we've got 105,000 members they've got 105,000 people backing them in like imagine 105,000 people supporting you guys to do well if they happen to me I get a [ __ ] heart on and I'd kill myself Jesus she just got [ __ ] dark no like like a way though like actually like I kill myself in a good way no no no like I'd kill myself with a jump out that's what I mean but anyway yeah sounds like a great Monday night I get a heart on and kill [Laughter] myself yeah but but like I'd kill myself with a jumper like I'd go out there onto the field back anyone like just do anything to just win us a flag but like clearly they don't care like when we got 100,000 members it was already a PR spin they didn't a it is it is it is it's not it's not it's it's it's a it's a mirage it's not real it's not 100,000 people they don't care great [Laughter] man we love you work hope you enjoy the game every time I bought a guest pass last year I got a membership so I've got I've got 18 lanyards from last year saying 2023 member like I can I can I can build U rope and a ra M they they're inflating the numbers we know that right it's not and this is the danger right the danger now from from the club is that they're they're too focus on the off field and the dollars and this and that there's a serious danger that next year a lot of that those numbers get depleted right yeah like like we're not going to get 100,000 members next year forget about it yeah that but I'm saying like you're not going to kill yourself bro no I'm not no I'm not but I'm saying like I would die like as John I'll get you bro I'll get you yeah I would die for the J like we don't have players that do that just a it was a it was a very very amazingly worded sentence it got taken out of context so bad if anyone listening needs help seek help Beyond blue all that kind of stuff no but but I know what you mean Eden it's it's it's it's a how frustrating is it seriously like and this is why we've done this this is why we do this right this is literally how we came up with the Monday blues I just wish this show was on when we in 2022 that's all I'm gonna say no after after that that game we won't mention yeah would have been sh down you would have just seen five Arabs crying it would have just been would have been tears it would have been holes in the wall would have been just would been great viewing just Dark Places yeah dark yeah like like yeah I would yeah die for the jumper yeah thaten still trying to justif no because I'm I'm scared someone's going to clip this and then send this [ __ ] no I'm joking but um paranoid his paranoid is going to get done for inciting Mass suicides Jesus Aiden thanks for jumping on bro but yeah it's not [ __ ] good enough I hate this club my my dad's going to wa this week I feel so bad for him he's watch yeah I'm like I pulled out I'm like I'm not I'm not going to watch that [ __ ] [ __ ] that that a bad sentence is on and he's pulling out yeah by th if you feel him down get in touch by Thursday by Thursday Aiden will be on the flight as well to birth watch 100% cycle I guarantee you I'm not anyway thanks for joining BR thanks Aiden just in case is sharing that hey we've been on nearly two hours we've been on oh okay mate bro I don't know I'm going I'm just going to stop you for one second do you watch wrestling no okay you look like a called Kevin Owens bro you look like a Kevin Owens Kevin Owens is [ __ ] look like Kevin Owens bro I'm stuck in wa haven't been home in two months so I haven't been able to shave um that's one of us going home this Friday cuz I cancel my tickets for Monday morning cuz I was meant to go to the game but [ __ ] cancel that [ __ ] change my oh no if I can smart man um boys we bag [ __ ] Andrew Russell and we bag this that and the other but how is it been successful everywhere he's gone but Caron and like by the SS of it from what I've heard he's been telling the club no we we got too many injury Point players we got too many soft [ __ ] we got too many players that aren't are unfit and the club went nut deal with it y your Andrew Russell you deal with it and that that doesn't surprise me if that's the case that's just what I've sort of heard a little bit and it's just like how the [ __ ] has someone come from Hawthorne in the early 2 and tens and absolutely [ __ ] been Mir worker forum and everyone comes here we get a CEO in from jalong who's built jong's plan and we're still [ __ ] unsuccessful we're still a miserable Club I just don't [ __ ] get it from everything from everything that we've heard it just sounds like we've still got that that one powerhouse broker inside the club that that has he just moving his weight around in places that he shouldn't be and it's [ __ ] things up and it sounds like he's got so much p on the playing list um that it's not funny I don't know that's just what it feels like from the outside right because Vos Voss is not a softc he he he's he's a strong he was a strong player and I'm sure that he will bring that across into his coaching the way Voss speaks in his presses does not sound like Vos no sounds reserved it sounds like the people we we have a specific system that we try to play to but it doesn't seem like we're picking the players when it comes to the selection committee um for the for the system that we try and play we try and play we look at we look at playing list and then we look at how much we're paying them and we'll put the players on the park that we're paying the most for yeah 100% everyone else can see up yeah that's that's that cooks me that absolutely cook me yeah because that's that's selection Integrity just goes out the window you got players on the sidelines who might deserve a game and mind you I don't think there are many vfl players who deserve a game we're pretty [ __ ] in the vfl so yeah I'd say a couple as kle said so but still you know what I mean maybe that's why we just keep going to the same well with the same players yeah maybe like not the last of it I think it's a good call Ben when there's probably going to be more that comes out in the offseason um in terms of you know what was said or spoken about if if it does but I think there's more to it so like you've alluded to there's some some some maybe some muzzling happening from the top and and just you know Club aren't Club don't like hearing facts from from from people right and and when they when they do this review after review and whatnot they it's it's a selective process I [Music] guess I got a question for you Ben inter we win the next two games for we win the next two games somehow we make finals do you think before a finals before a Finals game has been played do you look back and say all right we made finals the season is a success no not success we come in we comeing to the start of the year and everyone said we're a top four Club everyone all the media were a top four Club this is their year last year they had a rough start ra and they've learned but we've gone backwards we [ __ ] had to down our hands like yeah and somehow even if we do make a prelim somehow if we do make a grand final then yeah you call it success but if we make a prelim I I still think it's failure like you know you know I'm that sick in the head I'm that I'm that [ __ ] in the head that I I believe that if we make finals from here right so if if we beat West Coast over there all these injuries if we beat s all these injuries we would have earned that eighth spot and I truly think if we make finals that we can actually have a crack at at the big boy I actually think we can see I'm sick like you too I I agree but I'm sick is like all we're gonna we're gonna bring in these kids to obviously fill in the injuries they're going to come in play their hearts out we're going to make finals these players are we're going to bring them back in this is this is a weird year man this is a very strange year where I think s strange things will happen right and and yes I think K you spot on right no matter what happens and no matter who performs on their day right if Jack Caroll comes in and has two blinders right when when other players are fit and firing or what not he's he's got to go right that's probably the way it is that's that's what's going to happen right Harry limy could come in and kick four if Harry and Charli he's not playing leou young might get a crack in front of him this is I guess that's the way it is it's because they look at the the money list right who's on the most money who can we get on the park work down that list yeah I've got I've got a question for all you boys in s's first year and his first 10 games what did everyone fall in love with him why did everyone fall in love with him and why is it changing him CU I say one glaring difference compared to his first season season and a half to now disposal I just want to see what you boys think for for me it's work rate was my one yeah I said dispos I just feel like his work rate was on another level compared to anyone else on the ground 100% he would run from the [ __ ] back pocket to 80 M to get a 15 M kick off someone kick the ball 50 m run another 30 to get another 50 m kick and just wouldn't [ __ ] stop and now we' got a bit arrogant we got a couple of wins and he's [ __ ] stopped completely I love Sam wsh but he's not the same player he was two years ago three years ago his work rates just dropped off a cliff is that because of his back I was just about to say that I think some of it of course has to do with his back but when you see like in games against Port even in the second or third quarter just push yourself for five minutes we can't get a lead we keep on bombing it long just every now and again push one lead out push one of those short kicks out and I just don't see him do any of it anymore and again I get the back but for me for me um the most disappointing thing about walshy is his lack of awareness at the moment how many times is he getting caught holding the ball like it's it's and I don't I don't know if it's if it's lack of structure down the field which we we know is a problem and and maybe he's more aware of not bombing the ball long so he's trying to get the right make the right decision but at this level you're not going to have the time and he's lost his timing and and that's for me that's my fear for him going forward can he get that back and and maybe it's CU because I feel like he had it early in the year and it was that changing rule that that kind of you know got him away from that I think that rule has stuffed him up a lot yeah so I'm I'm hoping a bit of training on it a bit of work on it in the offseason probably can't work on it now no but I'm I'm hoping in the offseason he gets time to maybe work on that because for me that's the most disappointing thing about walshy is just getting that right disposal not getting caught with the ball and going back to fundamentals like there was that kick that um I think it was the second quarter when he kicked it to Charlie short kick to Charlie right that's dropped it was a 30 meter kick he's kicked at about 15 or 20 it's dropped Char Charlie's just gone through a he tried to almost trap it but he sort of didn't and then he got completely pushed off the ball um so again that that kick Kennedy does another one Walch does another one so you're killing your forward there as well but if he cleans that up but what what a stark difference we're seeing from September last year when he was just unbelievable and again is is it debilitating back injury it's it's there's many question marks there's too many question marks on players on on the team on and we've always been a a team where we' always thought we're always like well it's Crips or Bust or was or Bust or it's weering your bust or you know we need to plug these we don't we don't have Wingers so no Wingers bust or Charlie but we always we always have like a condition yeah we do and um like one of the thing with sort of the walshy thing is why the [ __ ] do our fans say it's Batman and Robin Walsh isn't [ __ ] Robin Walsh is Superman why are we [ __ ] putting him as a [ __ ] little sidekick Walsh when he's up and going is a [ __ ] Superstar and Batman Robin he's not [ __ ] Robin I [ __ ] hate hearing Batman Robin that that's one thing that furiates me with their fans he's a [ __ ] Superstar when he's going he needs that respect yeah good call right B Batman wetman Aquaman something something just he's not a [ __ ] sidekick he's a superstar when he's up and going but that's a good call what are he doing stck um I work with the jaws of life for the CFA so I got and service them all through Australia and stuff so my at the moment on good stuff well done nice nice and busy but yeah back home stupidly enough I told work that I had to be home for September what a [ __ ] idiot don't get me started on the plans I have cancelled I've got I've got a misss and it's our first first time I'm spending like her birthday right and it's on the 6th of September and I've told her listen babe like your birthday falls on a Friday night if Caron's playing I'm I'm seeing Caron play and and credit to her she understood I look like a [ __ ] idiot now now I'm gonna be like oh babe I'm fre can I come thanks for joining no thanks for having me boys Trel on your way back mate apprciate what a legend that was having a few people on I I feel better yeah like it's still burned burning we're not we're not we're not alone the the pain that we're feeling is is everyone feels it together we're all kind of we're all kind of speaking the same language of pain and no wonder why no wonder why Terry's so positive Terry from Blue abroad he's really positive during the week and and just about things and he does fan cams every week he does fan cams every week and this it has to help like I I genuinely feel better speaking to a few people he Terry's online for four or five hours sometimes and and and a good call this is why we've done it right like last year we we talk about it we mope about it whatnot but when we get it off our chest like even last against coling by the end of it we're having a laugh right we we forget about a little bit that's what we're here for right that's what and and we appreciate you all um you know a couple hundred of you that's been in the chat um and and watching us all night you know hit the like button if you haven't already but uh this is this is literally what we do for and hopefully you guys have gotten a little bit of Solace and some laughs from it because we're done it thinking geez if 10 or 20 people will listen to us but turns out that it's quite a few more of years but and you know what's funny is we haven't even it's been two hours we haven't even talked properly about the game yet right we talk in bits and pieces um and that's what's to actually talk about what's to talk about 13 shots at goal from from 43 inside 50s do you want to talk about that do you want to talk about two goals in three quarters five minutes 5 minute 30 Mark of the first quarter at the end of 5 minutes 30 sorry left in the first quarter uh Hollands snaps our third goal and then we kick two for the rest of the game for the next three quarters Jesus Christ that hurt thing that I one thing that I did notice with with the game um and this may sound a bit positive and it probably is um and it gives me the slightest bit of Hope for the next two games um the the Hawks movement is is rapid right you will if you rewatch the game if you have the balls to rewatch The Game you will never notice uh hathorne um hit up in transition from defense into the Midfield into the for line You'll Never see them hit someone up um on the lead so running running towards them and hitting them up whereas Colton did that every single dime every single time there were there were instances in the second quarter where we actually did that we created space we created opportunities but we didn't capitalize KERO getting pinged um uh for holding the ball when he had 15 minutes that was the one I want to bring was the moment that that fried my brain fried my brain um and then there was some other opportunities that we created off that where we when we were transitioning we were handballing or kicking it onto people that were running towards goal not not running back onto to the ball you know what I mean those those instances created opportunities in space for us they gave us opportunities to go we just didn't capitalize we wouldn't have won that game regardless we had far too many injuries but seeing that gave gives me the slightest bit of hope that even if if we do make finals we may have an impact we may that's the only positive I took from the game everything else was [ __ ] I hate this club Caron can burn car talk to me about I looked at you in that moment and that that was the that was the the the the decided for me when Charlie got you know what we probably W going to win anyway yeah we probably weren't going to win horw was on they were just on they were quick better everything they were better than us but what that tells me about Charlie moment was I want Coleman and that's all it was I don't give a [ __ ] who you are I don't give a [ __ ] if you're way car your buddy Franklin you got a player by himself in the goal Square you [ __ ] pass the ball you don't pause and think oh I can kick this oh no you know what I'm a [ __ ] dumb dog I'm gonna get tackled instead and then what happened from there five or six goals game was done like anyway that was the moment that was the nail that was the nail in the coffin stupid stupidity the first the first two goals already you could tell it completely Switched Off where where where they're getting out the back there's defensive lapses we looked we we didn't turn up right like I was trying like G to yell wake up like literally we did not turn up but um Isaac shout out to you in the chat I'm not going to say your surname I've learned my lesson on you Isaac or um Mr Dick I'll I'll I'll I'll bait it I'll just tease it um that's even worse just say dick someone someone's gonna someone's gonna cut that now and [ __ ] me over anyway I tried to like be cool with it and I've just Fu it what an idiot anyway uh can't stop thinking about the D now so so anyway uh when he when he when I watched it again at home cuz it looked like he had an eternity on field um he's looked at and he kind of you can't tell me he's missed him I don't care if the sun was the sun was Zack Williams is in the Square on his own you can't miss him because I looked at when you looking at the replay he's looking at the goal Square thinks about it doesn't doesn't kick it takes a moment to think all maybe I'll I'll I'll have a shot then looks to his left he looks sideways yeah he looks sideways does he look to square it up after seeing that Zack Williams is a lone option Square he had about 20 30 meters free it's guaranteed either pass or sh anything something something right and and he's completely that it was one of those things where [Music] um I was watching um it was one of those things I'm watching in the background the M was watching it you know what's that gymnast um the gymnast name was on Netflix it was a doco about it um she's the gymnast she was like yeah that's that's the one she was like the best in she's the best in the world and she's a freak of what she does right and they were talking about a mental she's all right I like I can do a triple back flip in my sleep bro she's all right but she's talking about the mental uh like the twisties they coined a term called the twisties where um not the the lovely chip brand but when your mind and your body can't sink all of a sudden and you just what your mind is what your body is trying to do your mind's not allowing it or vice versa it looked like in that moment he just buckled it looked it was very unchai like because usually what he'll do he he burned Williams I don't I'm not going to I'm not going to shy away from that he [ __ ] burnt him right but okay burn him and shoot burn him and go for goal right you got if the Coleman lights are you know lining up and you you know you're gonna get your back to back to back Coleman go for the goal right but he burnt him and then just shut the bed did nothing so strange so I don't know if that was like a bit of a a block or spooked or whatever you want to call it but strange that was the moment and and ever since that moment we just we' never recovered it was done and then you got Jack Martin smashing into to fogy two for one you know he's like I'm gonna [ __ ] my career might as well [ __ ] your season to bro yeah Jack Martin Jack Martin comes in comes in for for for for what is it his first game in round 12 1 last season all right has a few good games helps us in the way to the finals I don't know what what was wrong this year c t or that was mop he comes he's out for three months comes in for a game against Melbourne I'm out again another eight weeks um comes in plays a couple games he's out again and it's it's time to to to to part ways surely 100% 100% 100% him and it's not just him if if the list was in my control cers marchbank young uh Martin Sam Duran Cher consisting with these guys let me tell you something but let me tell you something let me ask you something if we get rid of them who the [ __ ] are we going to bring in when we cop injuries Peta because we're not we're not like we're not stacked in our vfl that's the thing we're not stacked in the vfl do we just get rid of them and just get better depth players is that what we do instead of like trying to I mean we have to we have to get something for them we can't just delist them we have to fill those spots we need depth players and and unfortunately our depth players are just injury prone very very injury prone so it's it's it's a tight it's a it's a tight rope to walk on we can't get rid of all of them I honestly don't think we can get rid of all of them even are they even dep players they don't really provide anything that's why you want bring the kids in no they know if you if you look if you look at um the soccer globally like in the eepl La Liga Italian league everything like that botball is no longer about individuals right it's all system based it's all system based now there's no more flare there's no more individualism very very rarely do you see it anymore and it's the same it's the same in footy that's why you see teams with literally no names I'll use Collingwood as an example they've got a few names in there but the majority of their lists to be great players but they're in there they're in that team playing a role playing to ass system and that's why they're so effective that's why they're so that's why they won um they won the premiership last year we need Caron needs to figure out what is their system what is their game plan and then go and recruit for that game plan because surely they've done that surely they haven't because that's why surely isn't that what every team should be doing like that should be like we we should have like this I agree with you I like I'm not saying we shouldn't do it but surely surely Vos or whoever whoever someone surely there's one [ __ ] brain cell at the club that says this is our game plan why don't we build a list around the game plan surely but to your to what you're saying I think you're right we haven't done that we haven't we haven't because we go we're trying to fit a triangle into a square and and we we rely on individual bril and and just you know we again we're a club of we need reading down back uh we weering or bust we need kerer to have a Blinder of a season to get us anywhere right and you keep hearing the rhetoric if he's out they're done right you need you got two Coleman medalists in there you got a brown medalist um who's now every year it's it's getting closer and closer to the end for him and what's he thinking what's going through his mind and you forgot the six time should have been an AA uh player well this is the thing we we we have the core the spine whatever you want to call it TDK gez we miss him as well but this is these are the things we we we have we we should have had that next man up mentality but unfortunately it's it's this or Bust or this player or Bust or and Peter V said it there this is a talent based side not a system based side how many yeah how many games have we won purely on individual Brilliance and talent and this is and then you've got too much Reliance on players that cannot run out a game let alone a season let alone a few weeks right so if you've got and going back to your point of Mile there's going to be some some hard decis well I don't even know if it's hard decisions anymore right so when you've got March Bank Martin cers Sam D A lot of these guys that unfortunately just can't play out a season they can't they've shown it time and time and time and time again that they just can't we get like I said earlier we're getting to the stage where the minimum can you play four quarters can you run out four quarters because we're playing guys that you know like like Jack Martin I don't think any one of us are confident that we were going to see him for for running games right he's GNA come back all right then he came back for a couple G for a game missed out on two months he come back he came back and we're all and we're not we're not wishing uh you know bad Omens on the guy by saying oh watch your C and and you know just be careful how he lands or oh he's going to do this or that but unfortunately the the the thing is bl's made out of glass until we get rid of players that are made out of glass him fow Fant we're giving contracts to players that are not just mentally fragile that are physically fragile who's the last player we we resigned is it Cory Duran or did we sign someone after him maybe kowwin I think I can't remember no we signed up Acres acres for AES yeah yeah but we haven't really extended anyone's contract it'll be this week we we'll announce something it's what the club does most likely but I don't know man I don't know should we talk about Ollie it's uh yeah we talk can I can I just this is this is a little one something that really bothers me we keep playing Crips in the Rock and he keeps giving away free kicks free kicks like at what point do the coaches say listen just let the Ruckman go up on his own and you just stay don't even put a body on him just let him go and and and you know we just give away free kicks all the time so I don't know sorry bro let's talk about o Holland how frustrating you know what there's a lot of people think he did well I didn't say look statistically if you read the stats he did well I think you know 20 something touches or or something I don't know few touches 70% you think okay cool but his turnovers directly cause scores cost scores and and and they're just unforgivable they're mistakes that you should not be making at AFL level you make one okay cool but this guy's making him constantly like this it's a trend now it's a trend and he's young I gu get it so I'm not going to go too hard on OE Hollands me personally you boys go hard if you want but me personally the kid's n give him a crack I'll I'll give him you know a little pass but I think year it's the stupid things that he does like a basic kick or gets tackled when he's got 45 minutes to get get rid of the ball yep and it's the same as Walsh for me it's exact same as Walsh for me are they trying to make the right decision every single time and they're just taking too long and getting caught for me that's that that is annoying but that's not the problem for me with Ole Holland it's his Miss kicks and his missed hand balls and he's off OE Holland for one Split Second why the [ __ ] are we obsessed with handballing we're just obsessed with that's our game we get one out of the contest and then we get one to a to an to a runner we we actually get the hand ball out to a runner and instead of you know taking the kick no we'll go one more hand ball there's got on him yeah oh my how many times in the just kick the bloody thing like it's and but you know what hurt even more right after we we stuff it up we turn it over Hawthorne showed us exactly how to do it every single time how many times have we hand balled it incessantly in the forward line just to try to find a free option and turn it over how many times do you remember the jalong game earlier this year Amal I remember me and you speaking about it specifically and I think it was you who brought it up how now you brought up how we were dump kicking it but um I'm pretty sure it was a conversation I had with you where it was almost like jalong were letting us win the Tapout yeah just because they knew we turn it over I'm pretty sure you pointed that out yeah yeah put numbers around the ball around the stoppage they knew pressure we're going to we're going to dump kick it and then they'll they'll do their job from there so the Western Bulldogs Morris brought it up before the Western Bulldogs I think last week were ranked either last or second last in the league for first for first touch after the tap work after the rock work they are then ranked number one in the league for getting the ball back for the ACT clearance so they they've by Design created a game plan where they allow the team the opposition to get the ball but we back our own pressure to get the ball back and I feel like that's what Hawthorne and other teams have done because we're getting hands on the ball first in the middle but then nothing so it's just really really there's a lot of work for the coaches man there's a lot of work and if we're any chance of beating West Coast this week with all the injuries that's another story this this is this is a couple of comments I'll sh this is one thing that just kills me um and I've said it time and time again once he puts on a bit of size but really I I've seen small slender players make an impact when when it comes to tackling Basics I'll never forget so max cus I'll never forget when ay Amon was running down the ring wing OE Hollands tried chessing him down to tackle Amon it didn't even move Amon kept his feet from getting tackled from behind how many times I think was two or three times I counted when Holland tackles a player and the player still easily disposes of the ball on target it just it just happens too often right so getting the basics tackling to uh I guess not debilitate the player but to to impact the disposal OE just clings on um it's either broken or the player still manages to get the disposal so that if that's one thing he can add to his game because he you know he's ferocious he's he'll run he'll run all day he'll you know he'll try his heart out but if he can add that to his game and we said it a couple years ago why can't we stick tackles why can't we stick tackles then we became a ferocious slide and you got guys like Loy foggy doing it well and Kennedy and hu and Walsh but you need that from Holland because you know he's gonna close down on his man and he's gonna try yeah he does he gets himself in Prime tackling position but it's actually sticking the tackle and it'll come I'm I'm I'm not worried about Ole Holland right I think he'll come good but [ __ ] it's it's you just want to rip your eyes out when he's got the ball sometimes you know we're running out of time that's the thing yeah you're right we are running out of time so what do we do do we do we do we like we can't I don't want to get rid of him can't get and and there's nobody in the reses who's going to do better than him no so we're kind of stuck we're in trouble boys [Music] well the reality is now um of course yeah you got to win the next two and you need to rely on fro losing one and they got gws in Sydney win gws and Sydney and they got kind what the last game is they got someone at home Port I think they got port at home for memory who's that Frio yeah port at home yeah but but by the time that game rolls around if they lose to um the Giants their season's done so that that poo season comes down to this week who would have thought that jalong did us a favor there but how how much does it suck when it does it's not in your hands anymore yeah but we're always relying on other teams that's [ __ ] [ __ ] with [Music] us for so long is because all the other teams Bene us were losing exactly everyone was do the Bradbury they were all just falling over but we couldn't get past them we couldn't get it done I said to you earlier today in the WhatsApp group like injuries or not you look at us now we're at bottom forade the way we're playing shocking MH it's it's sad but it's true I've never been more disappointed to win a bet honestly like I just it happened the exact same way I thought it would everything unfold without the injury I didn't expect injuries like that but regardless I just I saw us losing in that exact way they just outrun us outwork us and we're so easy to just get through and get past and get over Collingwood bro collingwood's been [ __ ] for how long now this year and they made us look second rate they made us look second rate if they didn't run out of legs they would have beat us by eight goals they R the leags I don't care what anyone says Sydney did them the same way we did except Sydney got it done so yeah [ __ ] I don't know man six weeks is a long time in footy second spot $350 second favorites for the uh for the flag and you can't you can't blame us for for thinking of you know of how far we can go and and you know we we we keep talking about doing one better than last year and getting into the position to almost guarantee that is you have to be top four to get yourself the double chance and the players had had two hands on it and then you you have a couple losses and you have the teams around you lose but again it's been such a strange season I don't think anyone saw or predicted what would happen to Sydney as well um and for it to be round you know only lock in finals with two rounds to go is is insane so I I still firmly believe that this final series will be a bloody strange one something there'll be left field results someone will win it that is not going to be Sydney that's why I'm so Keen to make it if if you don't if you're not in it can't win it right you got to have a ticket to the game so what's what's the benefit of if we get over West Coast with these injuries if we get over St kildo we got that week off before finals why not why can't we get our best yeah you get that week off before finals don't you yeah there's a by we there's a by week yeah you sure yeah there's a by we before finals there's a week off so why can't we if look and this is a big if right now yeah we like after everything we've just spoken about it's a massive if a lot needs to go right for us we need to get a lot right right so that's that's why I think if we make it we would have really earned it over the next two weeks we get that week off to regroup and and reassess and maybe get a couple boys back who knows we're good enough at our best to win four in a row against anyone I we've shown that and I think we can do it but [ __ ] we just got to get there I haven't given up hope on on making finals yet I'm not going to be that good I want to make finals as long as we're a mathematical chance I want to make it so I think we all do like you said you said ear out of frustration you know you get frustrated but you you want to be there absolutely [ __ ] 24 weeks to not make it m wherever it is whatever it is you know yeah if it's gws and Sydney I'm flying there week one I don't care because because because we've seen what this group is capable of and we know what what they're capable of on their day and if if if the last couple of years is anything to go by back them in right but what a ride how frustrating how frustrating can we be and to have to to have to be in a position to rely on others I hate that right I want to I want to control my own destiny I never want to be relying on others as well for that but we have to now we're in this position it you do and Vos said there will be a response what is the response I want to see it whether we like it or not now this is the position we're in backs against the wall let's see how much they give a [ __ ] that's what we're going to see and look all the injuries if we come out and West Coast beats us I just want to see the [ __ ] bare minimum something we haven't seen in a while just effort four quarters of effort you know what I mean and I can't believe I'm saying these words in round 23 [ __ ] I actually can't believe I just said that I just want to see effort these are the words we said when we were getting pumped back in the day in the dark days that's what you're get see just want to see a game of effort West CO I said this [ __ ] weeks ago man North W going to be easy beats West ghost over there aren't easy beats they're not even easy beats away from home at with away from home so couple in a row as well they've won they're up and about and who would have thought yeah it's it's and that's and that's right it's seba thanks for joining mate good to see you yesterday to see if [ __ ] Flag that's it that's why we wanted that's it that's why it's so important that we [ __ ] win the next two and just get ourselves on the [ __ ] plane you know what I mean just get your [ __ ] seat and see how we go you got to give us a chance man well [ __ ] they make it hard Tom will tell [Music] boys are we are we gonna do votes Fu probably's dropped off poor I think he's uh he's had enough he didn't get to give us his votes so now he's off M he on nights uh we we didn't even mentioned that most wasn't going to be on sorry most did we I can't remember everyone everyone's still based on the chat everyone reckons he's still on the treadmill um any um any closing closing comments yeah actually one thing I want to talk about really quickly Jordan Lewis I think mentioned it was Jordan Lewis or was it um they were talking about and this is going back to your point about effort Andy and also I think this is more so perception and just body language every time the camera panned starting from the second quarter to the bench Jack Martin's in the hoodie fogg's cut fogg's just sitting there with his arms crossed he hasn't moved he's not looking left right he's just watching staring the Thousand yards there Martin's just here got the hoodie on he's just kicking back this the Ben yeah he's done right everyone on the bench it's just it's just dead quiet nothing absolutely nothing um Voss is there with his arms crossed Boyd is there rothing in pain he's just there you know copying it I'll get back on the field whatnot there's one play Kennedy's on his own on the bench you know trying to come back on the the the the Optics looked horrible right people were coming off and on and it was just it looked like a funeral right and you mentioned it yesterday and this seems like a funeral um and I think Jordan Lewis was saying you can still be positive for your teammates you can still instill a little bit of confidence in your teammates right and I remember I think it was was a Euro um was it [Music] 20 uh the Euros where where um Portugal beat France 2018 yeah Ronaldo got the injury yeah Ronaldo got the injury um and he and he he was cooked right I know it's a different code but he's on the bench and he's yelling and he's screaming pointing fingers and he's just he's just ging everyone up right like if you're foggery your man at Le I'm not expecting them to get up and do that but at the end of the day you can at least be positive and have a bit of reinforcement for the players coming off and you know but nothing arms crossed hood on like the Optics that they showed and it was a good call out but I think I'm pretty sure it was Jordan LS it looked like a a [ __ ] place to be and it just looked like hey just give us the the the fourth quarter siren lose a club lose a club that was mentality mentality yeah that's lack of leadership right there bro and and we've we've said that all year that we lack leadership we really really lack leadership and that shows because you know a team with good leaders would have players on the bench that are injured pointing fingers and you know what let's let's let's G them up but nah let's let's just you know woe is me drown in our own Sorrows yeah yeah good call out Georgie I just I heard it yesterday when I was watching the replay and I just I thought it was interesting because yeah if if you're coming off right and you're just seeing Martin with the hood on just looking like he can't be stuffed foggy was just done negative probably yeah it was frustration probably on his behalf as well right he's probably like man I got my own teammate yeah um voids there just look like it just looked like a war zone it literally looked like a war zone but again there was no there was no there was no Voss maybe to create something reinforce positive ites I don't know it was just what I what I um what I what I saw what I heard well here we are yeah vote yeah this has been this has been on record our longest definitely double our longest episode ever so thank you all for thanks for sticking with us there's still 150 plus you guys are in absolute Legends honestly they're like us bro they're depressed like us they're angry like us they they love the club like us yeah thank you all appreciate you all hit the like button if you haven't done so yet um Chuck your one two and three in the votes um I might kick it off um I'll go I was I was going to give one just as a joke because yesterday was a bit of a fuss I was going to give one to boy as a joke for 60 minutes with no touches right but I won't I won't I'll give I'll give I'll give one to to akres um I felt like actually yeah I'll give my one to acres this has been a a difficult one I know my three is obvious but one to acres he he he ran and battled all day um and I felt like he probably didn't stop trying where others did um I'm going to give my two to Cowan because I felt like in a in a team that was and a defense that was Under Siege stood up in some moments and he can't be The Whipping Boy for what happened happened yesterday so he tried he battled it wasn't a lack of effort he took a couple of intercept marks and at least tried something from defense as well um so I'll give I'll give that to cow and three Kennedy I think he was the I guess the only standout um from yesterday where he should never be sub I I can't have Kennedy a sub for me but 33 touches 10 contested he worked all day yes his polish is not always there and whatnot but it's not for one a trying and I feel like at the end of the day when there was all hope was lost he's still in there battling so yeah K and I'll share a few uh uh H three acres 2 Kennedy one ker um I don't know how far up I'll scroll here Morris three Kennedy two Crips One Acres only Carlton some great video today by the way I just awesome video great video Shout Out Boy definitely check him out on the socials three Kennedy two acres one Crips AJ uh Hollands one C 2p Crips no matter what the man bleeds blue absolutely does Petra Khan three Kennedy two acres one human Oz One Acres two Crips three Kennedy Peter Pez three Kennedy two maai one Blake and Brandon three Kennedy 2 Acres one Elijah Holland K can you give uh negative votes minus go for it uh my votes exactly like only cartton um Crips won two to wakers and fre to Kennedy just a [ __ ] just a [ __ ] show boys it was [ __ ] man I was so confident all week me and George so confident at the game it was D my Hing man it was D you know what that's probably the only game I've been so confident all year [ __ ] is can I ask can I ask why were you confident I don't [ __ ] know I'm [ __ ] stupid cuz I was like how like I even message you boys I'm like how how are you so confident like what what have we done in the last month and a half that makes you you said it you credit you actually said it not just your message it but you actually said it um on the on the preview right and and and I I for me it was like mentioned it was the fourth quarter against the pies and I thought we'd go in we know what's at stake I didn't even mention the the 160 anniversary and the you know the Heritage and all that kind of stuff in the yeah [ __ ] they're a curse now um but I just thought with the the the occasion um it's a not a blockbuster time slot I feel like we we do okay in those you know Sunday games you know in recent times when we last year we got all those Sunday slot games we doing well but I I felt like you know we get we're GNA get this win and it's we're going to have a mini run into the finals but gez it quickly evaporated after the first two goals not before the injuries take the injuries out of it before the injuries so you yes you can say that injuries of course injuries play a part right when you got no bench no rotations in the fourth quarter Hawks are just having fun with you right how what a luxury bring on um bring on Bruce four touches two goals you know he was he can do what he do what you want right and and and and Hawthorne had it not been for a bit away with kicking mate it would have been a three figure loss it would have been it would have been 100 points yeah but for me injuries aside it was the first two goals that set the tone after the second goal it just it that was the big dent for me and then it was the Charlie in the second quarter the brain fade that just the one that was the one Andy um yeah I mean everyone's pretty much got the same votes just maybe in different orders um kpo one AES 2 and um Kennedy 3 Kennedy's a star Kennedy does not get the love that he deserves from our coaching staff never should be sub um it's very disrespectful that he is our go-to sub I think he's a Super Sub don't get me wrong but him on the ground I think he's good enough to be on the ground I think he's more than good enough to be on the ground all the time so yep I don't know boys that was that was rough it was a rough watch and I I what I want to give a shout out to everybody who stayed at the game I I totally get you left I'm not for the first time ever if you left I don't even blame you that was horrid but to those who are like us who are a bit twisted in the head who like the pain who like to sit there and listen to that final siren listen to the opposition song and just [ __ ] curse on the way out good on well done we're in this together yeah at the end of the day we're all in this together so and yeah it's a very good call out and I think um leaving leaving the ground I actually we haven't given kudos to hulks H hulks play such a crazy brand of footy right they not just all on momentum they just don't care um Mitchell the confidence the confidence of like I said toring at 80 me out of defense and just and running rings I can't wait to hear this story I don't know the story but I can't wait to watch jumper punch tomorrow night tomorrow jum punch make sure you tune the jumping punch absolutely tune in and of course tjp live show 31st of August um if you haven't got around get around all the jumper punch socials tuneing to the boys tomorrow night can't wait to hear that I just want to give a quick story sorry bro just before half time I'd seen enough I was like I'm going in the rooms I just I need water I went I went in the rooms and I grabbed my water and I'm walking back out and I see Mars walk in and Mars has smoke coming out of his ears and he's just unloads he just [ __ ] Vents and I start venting then a couple of the Carlton uh staff come up to us like boys please settle down m is like [ __ ] just [ __ ] and we just both of us just absolutely yelling we're just if if you if you walk past us you would have thought we were arguing with each other because we were looking at each other pointing and we're just like what the [ __ ] what the [ __ ] we both got it off our chests and then I found out that uh the boys were escorted out of the field so nice can't wait to hear the story tomorrow night Security man they they let you know for sh a bit of passion we care man we it's it's I people tell you oh you know there's nothing worse than it's just a game I hate that sentence I hate that sentence shut the get out of here with that broken up with women for saying that just saying that that's um and and how some fans can just yeah you know whatever they're there for the good times and they don't stick fat and and it's just whatever yeah we're losing that's fine what and not get worked up at I can't I don't know how you I don't know how any like we always joke about it and we say these guys determine our freaking happiness for the weekend or the week ahead unfortunately I don't if there's a way I can remove that help me I can't I can't do it unfortunately the result like I wake up in the morning after how [ __ ] is it waking up in the morning after the first thing I think about my eyes open I look at the ceiling [ __ ] the blanket Lally it's it's um lots of love to the chat though and and um night for everyone dropping off John KN I saw your messages there as well hit the like button if you haven't already guys a big actually a bit of a shout out to Hawks fans um from what I saw anyway during the game after the game no when you're as FAL as pie fans right they would actually quite humble they were actually they were quiet they were I think they were just they felt sorry for us the walk the walk um Carl from your car when I was walking to the station I just passed just sea of hawks fans and they just looked like they felt bad like it was silence like they weren't even overly celebrating your face or anything and look good on a man like how how GED up would you be if you're a Hawks fan now you you were in the abyss last year you know and and now you you've won you've had an insane streak and you we know how they know how they feel that was us last year except we were seven years into a rebuild there too yeah yeah so you credit to him I can't I can't knock him um you know I I only know handful of hawks fans but from yesterday you know they were um they were pleasant they were pleasant and it's there's a bit of banter and whatnot but there's no um you know uh [ __ ] howery like we were cop from and again like that's what foot is about the banter and whatnot right but there's there's also just being absolute Pricks about it like calling like the girl yelling in our face and calling us dogs and telling us to to people walkwood fans are just bottom of the barrel filth that's what I call them just lower than Shar [ __ ] [Music] um literally our longest ever stream and I yeah I can't can't thank you so much for scking with us tonight I think we actually hit record I don't think we uh I don't think we stayed on a single topic for longer than 30 seconds but I appreciate you guys sticking it out with us um especially so late on a Monday night [ __ ] I got work in the morning man I got to get ready no it's been an absolute pleasure boys an absolute pleasure just quickly Georgie I think you no you I think you've got a sponsor to shout out yes absolutely as always as always yeah and I was gonna say really quickly Scotty Tomkins two more hours I will tell you something I've got another four hours of content in his [ __ ] brain we we could go we could keep going right absolutely but I'll tell you what um if the unthinkable happens against West Coast I'm I've got Monday off I've got next Monday I'm taking I'm taking Tuesday off that's I've already got next Monday I've got annual leave next Monday if the unthinkable happens I'll I'll go as long as you I will it will be a 4H Hour episode oh jeez I'll give you the number hey I don't know if you want to do that tonight with and if he's uh anyway anyway anyway we're moving on from that but hey thank you to everyone in the chat um and again a big thank you to our sponsor Blues crypto.com whether you're a seasoned investor whether you're new to investing check out Blues crypto.com The Man Behind at Ur coken holds ask me anything sessions Wednesday nights 900 p.m all the socials are available through Blues crypto.com X telegram they're all also in our video description it's an awesome and innovative way to connect with your team while it's also being part of the 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