What Is Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei Really Thinking?

good morning good afternoon good evening and welcome to the Jerusalem Center for security and Foreign Affairs War Room update you heard correctly we are no longer the Jerusalem Center for public affairs the jcpa but now we will be known as the jcfa the the Jerusalem Center for security and Foreign Affairs today we are on day number 327 of the war with Gaza it started way back then on the 7th of October with the massacre and really the war has continued on without respite ever since in Gaza in the few in the last really in the last 24 36 hours there have been dramatic developments yesterday Ida forces managed to secure the release of a of an of an Israeli Arab Muslim who had been held hostage by Kamas Farhan kadi rejoining his family a father of 11 children from Israel south from the town of Rahat and really in a daring Mission carried out by the idea forces in the Southern G Gaza Strip just today about an hour and a half ago um the IDF also announced that it had managed to recover the body of shaked danan um also from the southern Gaza Strip that means that now we are left still even after those uh really daring operations with 107 hostages still being held by the genocidal terrorists the IDF also announced today that it had neutralized then exploded a 3 kilm long tunnel in the central Gaza Strip just to give you a an idea at that part of the Gaza Strip it is only about 6 to 8 kilm uh um wide and so a 3 km tunnel really did uh span very much of the Gaza Strip um at that point um in judan samario also dramatic developments with the IDF launching a really quite an extensive operation in Zaria in Janine in tuas inim and facing there what was clearly an imminent threat we've seen really a spike in terrorism coming from that area over the last few months it's being led by zah Jain their replacement for saluri in Kamas and for the person who's meant to be running the terrorist activities for Hamas excuse me injured an Samaria and he has been trying his utmost really to initiate develop and carry out as many terrorist attacks from Kamas in that area to relieve some of the pressure on Hamas in the Gaza Strip there are also a continuing signs of the demise of the Palestinian Authority created by the Oslo Accords it now appears that the that the PA is losing the little modicum of control that it still had over Judean Samaria financially it's really um getting to a point where it can no longer be sustained and it's control of the different areas that it's meant to be in control of um is uh quickly diminishing today as part of those uh uh um operations in the northern area of Samaria we also found ourselves facing officers and soldiers yes soldiers in of the PA who are fighting with the terrorists against IDF forces in Lebanon after really the the the the tremendous attack on Sunday morning to thwart what kbal had planned as a massive response to the elimination of fad shuker um the the war of attrition has carried on his Bala according to the reports are still trying to understand the extent of the damage that was caused the extent of the IDF attacks on the rocket launchers in the South and just trying to understand how the IDF managed to so thoroughly infiltrate uh the organization to uh come up with exact intelligence that took us exactly to their launchers and prevented that large scale attack from Yemen the htis are continuing on with their aggression really going under the radar no one's talking about much about the ktis attacking um the the ships moving along in the Gulf of Aiden and up into the Red Sea maybe now maybe now there's an event which could possibly awaken um not only the world leaders but also ecological groups as one of the ships of they attacked a Greek Flagship an oil carrier that was carrying 150,000 tons of crude oil now seems to be leaking that oil into the southern area of the Red Sea maybe if the attacks on Israel didn't bother the rest of the world too much maybe now the ecological disaster that's impending will bring about a different response all of that really brings us to the head of the snake Iran after thep ation of is supreme leader of Iran Ayah decided and announced that Iran would be carrying out a massive attack on Israel in his words he said that it was going to be larger than the April 13th 14th attack in which they fired 330 plus Rockets uavs cruise missiles ballistic missiles this response was promised to be larger but that response hasn't yet come yet now that event has to be taken in its context the the connection between Hamas and Iran is not something which should be taken likely it seemed to be that the desire to destroy Israel had managed to gap an abyss a, 1400e Abyss between sunna and Shia the two different factions of Islam that are fighting against each other now represents Shia he is vowing a response against Israel for the death of a Sunni leader that's something which really did bring into question well have we managed to get over that Gap but thankfully the Ayatollah in his great wisdom uh it has to be said just recently tweeted out a very clear uh um message to the Islamic World saying that the battle between the front the husseini front and the yazidi front is Ono that means the battle between Shia and Sunnah is ongoing the battle does he necessarily mean that this is the excuse for not revenging the attack on isia or is he trying to give a message specifically to Saudi Arabia that is considering as a Reports say deepening its connections with the US Administration and even possibly moving forward with some type of normalization with Israel to uh to try and help us a little bit understand what's going on uh with the regime of the ayas we're joined today by a special guest Katherine Perez shakam who's the executive director of we believe in Israel and the forum for foreign relations a former consultant to the UN Security Council um on Yemen and an expert on Islamic terrorism radicalization and anti-Semitism Katherine is perfect to help us better understand what K is thinking since she was once a journalist who regularly contributed to the official mouthpieces of the Iranian regime in tan itself and even had the opportunity to meet with the Butcher of tan with Ibrahim rahisi himself before he was elected president of Iran and to actually sit and meet with um with Ali himself Katherine thanks very much for joining us a great pleasure oh the pleasure is all mine I can assure you thank you so much for the kind introduction so really among your other titles and degrees and and really they are extensive I have to say just for our audience um I know they don't include necessarily A a degree in Psychology U but give us a little bit of an insight into what is thinking as you wrote in the times of isra in Times of Israel this morning or or the JNS I forget um I apologize to both organizations if I've somehow slighted them or offended them uh um what you wrote today is that the release of of faradi really does expose the hypocrisy of Iran they're keeping it all quiet how can it be that the Zionist government aarte government as so um often referred to is now endangering the lives of its soldiers in order to free a Arab Muslim from the genocidal hands of Kamas in the Gaza Strip in the same way as it would do for all of the other hostages give us a little bit of an insight as to what he's thinking Catherine sure it was in The Times of Israel actually um look I think that you know this narrative that the regime has perpetuated and that since 1979 uh that you know the Zionist entity Israel is really out there to to get you know Muslims community that they are profoundly racist that we we are we have produced um a s of apartheid and that you know it's it's something that that defines the word Zionism I mean it has been very clearly um I think derailed in that of course the state of Israel since this um establishment has has thrived and worked TI you know very very hard um to make sure that all communities are protected equally uh everyone is equal under the law as it should be and I think that Israel has done a tremendous great of good in in really promoting multiculturalism and proving to the world that it can work when you put you you when you commit to it um and the fact today that you know um faran aladi has been able to to rejoin his loved ones and uh and we I'm I'm profoundly grateful to the IDF to have exerted that kind of effort to make sure that he would go home just as they would for anyone else for that matter um I think really unsettled the regime in in tan in that what what can it say when you have you know the Jewish State literally standing for a Muslim man and AR Muslim men and AR Muslim Sunni man Noel and make sure that he goes home um you know where he belongs uh and doing that at at a great deal of of risk to to its um to its soldiers um and very often we assume that you know if you're part of the idea then you must be you must be a Jew and an Israeli Jew it's not always true I mean you know the idea again is a reflection of the state of Israel it's it's the multitude of communities that are you know that have called and continue to call Israel home and so I think that there's a lot of assumption that are being made and of course the regime had has a lot to answer to when it comes to that and I'm glad I'm glad that it happened I'm glad that it's home I'm glad that again we have visible proof that it's a lie it's just a fallacy you know this argument does not stand anymore is it never did but it was perpetuated because again of the assumption that are being carried out by the likes of CNN and and and other mainstream media organization that are only too pleased to to report on you know the bad things that Israel is allegedly doing without any context and you know surprise surpris they've been very quiet when it comes to the release of of faran saying that oh it doesn't you know it doesn't really matter and what else is happening in the world that we could blame on Israel um and I think again it goes to show that it's impossible to carry The Narrative of the regime without looking like a fool um and I think thatai now feels very much Alone look every day that passes for every victory that the IDF is scoring against Hamas is proving number one that Iran doesn't really have the back of its proxies number one that Arab blood is being spilled in the street and I've actually written something in the Jerusalem Post a few month ago talking you know to that very subject that it's so easy for the rgc in the regime in tan to be hiding behind his proxies but what Arab capitals are not realizing and I hope that they do is that Arab blood is being spilled Arab blood is being sacrificed to the altar of this you know this ideology that thec came up with that many engineer thatai carried um you know since his death in the death of I mean and it's time to put an end to it because he's not promoting Arab um uh is not promoting Arab anything is not promoting their welfare it's not promoting a strong region it's not promoting a peaceful region or stability it's not promoting the economy it's not doing anything you know to that would benefit uh Arab capitals and yet they so willing to Pedal it and if not pedal it to refuse to back his with everything that they've got knowing that Israel is in the front line of this war against Terror and that themselves and by that I mean Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and the UA um even though the UA is slightly different in that they signed the Abraham Accord um are not backing Israel the way that they should bearing in mind that themselves they are aware of the threat of Islamic radicalism that they have done everything to keep it away from their borders uh and that I think that the greatest Testament to that is that they have refused to take on Palestinian refugees and not for the you know the the the idea or the notion that by doing so they would somewhat revoke the refugee status I think it's just a clear son that they do not want Hamas to break into their borders and it's impossible to tell today from Gaza who Who's Who and so they decide to you know not accept anyone same goes for Egypt I'd like for them to move away from this Narrative of not doing anything or protecting only thems quietly um with let's spell it out let's just make a stand let's stand with Israel I wouldn't go as far as say sign the Abraham Accords today although I would like them to uh but at least to say look Israel is not the enemy if anything it's an ally of ours against the Islamic Republic because the Islamic Republic is pushing an an agenda that is number one sectarian sectarian in nature genocide genocidal in effect and also profoundly anti-s Sunni and we need to remember and I think this is for me the biggest takeway when I was in Iran that number one this this slogan that the regime um continues to car death to America death to Israel has been misunderstood what he really means by that is that death to America and that America represents capitalism and democracy Western democracy Western liberal democracy Al so it says and then death to to Israel represents actually and that was that came from the horse's mouth H told me that himself that by that they meant the Sons and Daughters of Jacob and initially understood that as the Jewish people as a whole not just Israel but the Jewish people everywhere in the diaspora too U and then I thought about it a bit more and I came to realize that actually it is the Juda Christian world that they are after if if we if we hold the to the line that you know Jesus of course you know was from the tribe of Judah and and and is inscribed within the The Inheritance or at least the legacy of of Jacob Israel and so you know this is a threat that um is is posed and leveled at the Judo Christian world and we're not paying attention we are not paying attention even though October 7th happened even though we have seen we have seen in the streets of Paris and London the violence and the level of propaganda and the incitement to hatred the funning of anti-Semitism and anti-zionism we have seen the stabbing we have seen churches being attacked we have seen a synagogue in France you know uh being burnt um with an attempt clearly to endanger and harm Jewish people and it cannot go on it cannot go on because where where do we draw the line where do we say enough is enough Israel will be fine because Israel is defending itself Israel Israel is not under any illusion that um it's it's survival is not at stake the same cannot be said of the judeo-christian world and my fear is that we're going to see this line um this front line Against Terror move away from Israel not that I don't want that to be to be true I want that to be true but I don't want that to be true you know at the cost of the Juda Christian world and and for Europe and the rest of the the Western World to not be prepared and not understand that Israel by criticizing Israel by continuously leveling Force accusation at Israel's feet they are actually endangering themselves and and for me it's it's a great concern so that really people I think sometimes try to define the conflict between Israel and and and and really the Iranian regime as as as a war of civilizations when when rarely it's not if I understand you correctly it's a war of liberal civilizations against barbarians that are trying to export terrorism export genocidal ideas and really undermine the fabric of Western societies that's seems to be the the direction that they've chosen to go to is that a positive choice of theirs in your experience is it a positive is it a is it a positive choice of the Iranians to undermine the Judea Christian world as as really as part of their strategy well it is I think they have done I would say the greatest Victory and where they've been very clever is that they managed to convince the world that their their war is against Israel Israel for me is literally just an excuse and and and a way to distract the west by playing anti against anti-Semitism so if if you go back into the 1980s wheni we realize that being a a Shia minority within the the Sunni Islamic world you know wasn't going to play in his favor and so he needed to build a bridge towards the world and to somewhat you know remain relevant at least as far as his ideology was concerned and so he devised a very clever plan to you know to to to back the prop Palestinian cause and to weave it around his ideology and somehow link Notions such as Liberation and resistance within it and he was successful look at Kamas and all those people that claim Liberation when really what they're doing is is an exercise in colonization of the worst kind is not just territories it's literally of the mind um and I've written something to effect on the gns talking about Hamas and actually what does it look like you know to live life on the Hamas for people to next time they say free free Palestine or free whatever maybe read a book um and most importantly read the charter of that group that you seem to be still King supporting um what Iran is doing now with Israel is basically replicate that that formula and and use the anti-Semitism that unfortunately is still you know very much alive and we've seen it since it's October 7 how Keen people were to you know fly that flag and basically throw everything that they had everything that is hateful that they carry within at Israel and say you are the evil of the world you are everything that is wrong with the world when actually Israel with everything that Israel has done so far has been to try to improve people's life to come up with clever way to you know develop technology and to offer it back to the world to come up with medical uh breakthrough and give it back to the world to you know stand true by international law and do everything it could as far as its military is concerned you know to do that to to wage war as morally as possible now we're talking about wars of course you're going to have you know casualties it's unfortunately a reality of War but you have a military that is so concerned with preserving life and the sanctity of life is unheard of and yet we're being bashed and blam for thing that we haven't done when other crimes have been committed in Iraq in Afghanistan in Libya in Yen um countless other countries across the world that the West has been guilty of and no one is looking at it and everything that we hear is about Israel Israel is doing this Israel is doing that and so I would say the danger is that again we are being fooled into thinking that Israel is the end game it's not it's the very beginning of Israel is I would say a taste a test study in that everything that Iran the RC are doing against Israel awaiting the reaction of the West will be used and exploited against the West when the time comes and again what I'm saying is this is that there's a warning here Israel is capable of Defending itself it has demonstrated it time and time again the war will end Israel Will Survive Israel will prevail I don't know if I can say the same thing about the West when it's not even willing to realize that it has a problem it has a problem because people are going through its borders without proper vetting we don't even know who's coming it has a problem because he doesn't want to attest to the reality of Islamic radicalism without feeling that it's being islamophobic and I think it's a disservice to moderate Muslim voices across the world because they are being lumped with Islamic radicalism through the refusal to attest to the reality of Islamic radicalism um I think he's doing a disservice to multiculturalism by isolating Jewish communities and basically sending the message that we are Paras that we don't belong and that we should go home I'd like them to Define what their home is and where it is because uh I think that people are quite unclear sometime it's Poland sometime Israel sometimes we don't know um you know Jews are real people we belong uh we belong wherever we decide to belong as long as we follow the law and Israel is our home and this is not it's not supposed to be uh it's not open for debate Israel is is a sovereign state within its own borders again not subject to um interpretation it's a reality people need to get over it because by doing so by challenging Israel's sovereignty but they don't realize that they're actually challenging the reality of their own sovereignty uh and there's a danger there but again people are so intense on playing the antiem anti-Semitism C that they can't see that they playing the game of the regime and that the regime wants them to make those arguments because those arguments would be used against them when the time is right and the time is getting closer and um I fear I fear that our Jewish diaspora is in danger in the west I fear that a narrative that I know will come that I've warned about for over two years now but no one has listened or when they did they didn't do anything about it um is to basically paint us again even though we would potentially be the victim of several attacks to paint us as the instigators somehow uh and to say that it did not H you know happen in a vacuum and this is something that Antonio gutterz from the UN has been very keen on saying very quick on saying you know right after October 7th um and you know this formul the formulation of this narrative worries me because I know exactly what it looks like and where it's going it's to say that Jews deserve it that they deserve to be par that they deserve to be castigated that they deserve to be threatened and hurt and harmed uh that they don't belong anywhere and that they are basically the scapegoat that the world needs to atone for sins that we didn't we were not aware we committed um it's terrifying and what terrifies me the most is that again people are not aware um and I and I fear that even our commune is not aware of the very real threat and I think that after October 7th we can't we can't we can't afford to be complacent we can't afford to not pay attention and I don't think that and why I've been accused before being overly dramatic and and trying to um to create a crisis uh I'm not what I what I believe is that if you are aware of a threat then you can react and you can plan to protect yourself and I think we owe it to our children most importantly for me it's it's it's about the Next Generation what are we telling them if we are not doing everything that we can to protect them and give them a world that looks in a much better State than when we found it um and I think that for fitting on our duty of care towards our children is uh is a grave sin so sometimes Katherine it needs a conversation like this for for and and a message to be articulated before you can really um till it can really seep in and and to hear what's being said I want to focus on one thing that you that many things but one thing specifically at the moment uh of of what you just said it appears that probably the most successful messaging in this cognitive War this war of a um really of hearts and Minds that the Iranian regime has managed to spread around the world and which has then forms the basis for I think what is modern day anti-Semitism is really that called to destroy Zionism focus on Zionism let's just we're only anti- Zionist we're not anti-israel we're not anti- Jews it seems to be that that was a very very clever Ploy of the Iranian regime that has then managed to really filter down and across the world to become really the the focus of modern day anti-Semitism absolutely I mean think about it on the back of the show it would be very hard for anyone to sell anti to sell on you know anti-Semitism and to say yeah it's fine uh because you know people will have a NK reaction to it and not because they don't agree it's just because it's not it doesn't look good and you know you you would be guilty of a great sin that has been recognized universally as a sin and so people you know kind of shy away from this but now you give them on onanism and they're like oh that I can do that I can do quite safely that I can do and you know and hold the more High ground and you know climb on that horse and you know ride away in the sunset um and it's for me onanism is literally a reformulation in iteration of the blood of the blood liable and it has done it has been done gloriously well unfortunately and um you know people are so Keen to jump into it and to to hug that narrative and to make it their own that they almost you know created an identity around it and you could see this on you know the campus in on you know Colombia University you could see it in New York you could see it in Los Angeles you could see it everywhere in London in Paris um Germany less so because I think had the bad days when it comes to doing anything against the Jews and so they kind of obstain um but it's insane to me that you know people that claim to be liberal would so easily hate um an entire group of people on the basis they're not quite sure of because it's very loose um you know committing Act of genocide and then very you know you could see where the for line you know starts where because if truly it was just against the state of Israel and you would you would argue genocide which is ridiculous of course but let's just go with the the logic that they have then why blame the Jews if truly it's about antis Zionism and yet they do and it really tells you exactly who they are when they do that because this exercise of oh you're a Jew therefore you you know you're a Zionist well yes of course it's like you know accusing a woman of not being a feminist well why why why would she not want to you know to to promote her own right but it doesn't mean that she has to be a radical it's the same thing about being a Zionist I consider myself to be a Zionist I'm not radical in My Views I can I can I'm enough to know that people you know need a space in which to exist and that goes for everybody including the Palestinians now do would I want to cohabitate with people who do want to genocide myself and my people no of course not why would I it's a ridiculous notion to be asking Israel to co up to a group Kamas which is a terrorist organization and and befriend them on the basis that this is what the world wants us to do no and so yes the regime has made has has done a great job at telling anti-zionism um and not calling it anti-Semitism but it is it is anti-Semitism of the worst form because it's actually hiding uh Hitler at least had the courtesy um of being honest about his views and was very clear people F because they wanted to now the regime is literally hiding its uh it Its Spots and uh claiming to be something that it's not but people are falling for it and they falling for it because they want to I don't believe for a second I think I know that the argument has been made that people in the America and in the West in general are not educated enough in the region to understand the Dynamics of what they say um I I disagree I think they know exactly what they're doing and they're doing it because there's something so profoundly hateful about them and they want to find a scapegoat and it's so easy and it's it's it's been taught uh to hit the Jews and so they do it and they do it happily um and they will come a time where it won't look good everything lives forever on social media so I wish them good luck uh because they won't be able to run away from that one um but would they would they be able to claim you know ignorance I I'm afraid that they will um I don't want them to get away with it because they need to Ator for their sins and it starts with accountability you cannot wish away entire people and say I did not know yes you did when you say free Palestine even if you don't know what river and what sea in between I don't actually care I don't care because you said it you said it knowing what you were saying um and you're trying not to Har and pretend that you did not know if you are willing enough and I would say able enough to say those words then I you should be held accountable for them even if you don't understand because the second you open your mouth I'm going to take I'm going to take the view that you do and if you don't then shut up but you know Unfortunately they still very vocal so and they want to par the regime the regime is a terrorist organization the greatest that we have ever seen being set up in the world and it has many many proxies and unfortunately I think that me States official I'm not going to say who because I would be Su um are toing the line of the regime and so I'm asking the question uh on whose side are you because not on Israel side I'm afraid you are on the other side and that's not a good spot to be in so I sometimes try to argue that that the position of the the the Western us European uh uh um leadership towards the area is really fundamentally racist in its in its Outlook not a not necessarily in the from the point of anti-Semitism which you touch on but rather this idea that well the Arabs don't really mean what they what they say they don't really mean that they want to uh uh murder all the Jews when they say from The River To The Sea well they're going to let the Jews be second class citizens there it isn't necessarily genocidal in its nature doesn't really mean to kill all the Jews and and so really it's the Jews that have to show more Flex ability no I know I know I mean I mean you know like you know the the the impedence of us you know to want to leave as equal citizens on our land I mean it's ridiculous right um I mean it's insane I mean the fact that these things those ideas could be even formulated is so antisemitic to me that it just it just baffles me that people can't even hear themselves say those things because if you were to replace you know the word Jew by any I mean pick an ethnicity and I think that you know people would be up in arm screaming and you know calling you a racist or Zen xenophobe and they would be right um the fact that people are so happy to digest this when we say Jews or Israelis it just baffled me um again Israel is a sovereign state Israel does not commit Act of genocide it's a case of great projection Israel has never committed a genocide a genocide would actually mean that there would be a dip in demographic there was never one as far as the Palestinian population is concerned Israel however has had to deal with terrorism since the beginning um and sometimes and I would say this if Israel with all the technology that it has at his disposal and and clearly the the Miracles that the idef can actually perform on the ground if really Israel wanted to commit acts of genocide I think the question would have been dealt with a long long time ago the fact that it hasn't the fact that you know population in in in Palestine territories including Gaza have you know gone up 10 fold if not more than that over the past 50 years just tells you that it's not committing acts of genocide Israel is not an apart State I think that has been proven you know yesterday um because we freed an Arab Israeli and so should we we we had just the same duty of care towards him that we have towards anyone else and look if anyone comes to Israel and actually walks the streets of you know whether it's the L or Jerusalem um people don't walk around asking each other are you a Jew are you a Christian are you a Muslim are you a Jews are you yeid are you whatever because nobody cares the point is you have a people wanting to live the life and to actually do something with themselves um and maybe we should do the same here in the UK and everywhere else maybe people should stop asking question judging other people by the color of their skin the level of melanin whether it's summer winter um you know it it depends who cares people are people as long as people follow the law don't break it um and strive to do better what's the problem who cares where they come from um again Israel doesn't seem to but the whole world seems to have an opinion on why Israel is is doing that when it's not doing it I don't understand I think it's just a projection of you know the world's sin onto Israel to try to to abstain them themselves from being held accountable when Israel is doing none of it and it's it makes me laugh because I know that there's a point where they will be this great realization that actually no it's not happening in Israel and that the issue is with the rest of the world not with us and that maybe actually they should take um you know a page out of a book and read it he reads read and learn that you know the sanctity of life in Israel is respected um that this is something that comes with a long long long tradition um that we're not about to give up because uh this is not who we are that we we're striving to do better they are welcome to come and do better with us if they don't well then I'm afraid we're going to have to fight but not in the way that they think we not out there to wage war we wage defensive War uh what we strive to do is to um you know to to better ourselves and if we have to do it alone we will but then people should not be surprised if you're not willing to share in you see the danger that that that Israel is facing and really denying or or attacking Zionism is really denying that same really Zionism is just a an embodiment of the Jewish right to self determination in its historical uh Homeland that's something which if you were to deny that to anyone else you would obviously be called a racist if you were to deny that to the Palestinians uh uh um this newly formed uh body of people uh then then you're clearly racist and you're prejudicial to their rights but when it comes to a attacking Zionism attacking the Jewish right to selfdetermination that seems that that's something that's much more accepted on the street today it's something that's very clear and and if I understand correctly it's only the precursor for for the next step once we finished with the Saturday people we'll move on to the Sunday people it's already happening but I I tell you something else you know for me Zionism and and maybe this is just for me um and actually I was I was very surprised I published something in the Dai Express um for we believe in Israel and I really wanted to uh you know to Define what Zionism was for us as an organization and it was published and I didn't I didn't mention one's Britain so I was actually quite surprised that you know the third most read publication in the UK was willing to do that and I'm so grateful that they did but for me Zionism it's also about Freedom it's about um you know attesting and affirming um not just you know Jewish right it's about you know your own individuality to say I am and I stand and for me it's a very powerful cry for it's it's Liberation and freedom at the same time it's an assertion of identity and and also um you know a desire to tell the world that I don't need your validation for me to exist and and be here you know um a French philosopher used to say that I think therefore I am and and I think that wian ism is different is like I am as therefore I am I am because I am a Zionist and then for me Zionism allows me to be truly and fully myself in all the complexity that I means and you know just as there's over 50 million ways of being Jewish the same with Zionism it's an expression of a of of an identity an individual identity within a group you know we are a tribe ultimately and and for me it's is the better the best way to define us as a people is to you know ISM because you can there's so many ation of it and they're all beautiful and they're all true and they they don't stand in conflict with one another which is actually quite rare when it comes to any IDE you know ideas or principle um and I think that it encompasses also the beauty of multiculturalism you know the stability that people have to be different and yet they are united by the by a Common Thread that is so strong and so clear that it allows people to not be in conflict with with one another but move together in respect of their own differences and that is is such a powerful message that I wish the world could Embrace and I wish for the world to be Zionist in their own way for their own country and and you know rejoice in in their sovereignty because anything else for me is treason and what are you doing why do you actually want to live under the Yoke of Hamas or heah even the rsgc Iranians have desperately called for people to free them from the regime because they feel being they feel you know colonized and yet the world continue to concentrate on Israel and say oh you have colonized we have colonized nothing if anything we stand on our land it's it's the greatest exercise in decolonization and yet people are accusing us of you know of of committing a crime of colonization um but they're not talking about Iraq being colonized by thec not talking about Yemen being colonized by the rgc or so many other countries in the region including Lebanon that is literally losing its identity its religious identity and being absorbed byah and and and even they even that those group that claim to be Shia Muslim are not even representing Shia Islam they're trying to absorb them into this you know romanism and this Cult of the personality that doesn't resemble anything from the scriptures and so this you know people have so many things that they should be standing against and stop busying yourself in being against Israel Israel has nothing to do with anything if anything is your greatest friend um and and you're doing yourself a great disservice by no standing by Israel and I believe and I I've said it and I would continue to say it until I'm blue in the face the world has every interest at throwing everything it has and I mean that behind Israel because if you don't and if they don't if they don't help Israel win this war quick and destroy the regime in tan then I'm afraid that Israel Will Survive and Thrive while the West will have to battle the Islamic Republic of Iran because it will come a time where they have no choice they will not be able to hide anymore and they're going they may have to do it without Israel because Israel has stood alone so far in its fight not completely but mainly and it's not okay it's not okay when and when you talk about the the really the motivations of the ilc of theism as you as you as you call it it comes from a place of very very clear knowledge very very clear understanding from personal experience how do we pass that understanding on to um Western leaders to Western Society because that's something that it appears to me that that that they're just not willing or or unable to understand to break that barrier almost of of willful blindness actually take these people for what they are saying how do we get that message across I I don't know I I gen don't know Morris because I've I've tried I've tried for years and um and I'm baffled because look in 2022 I've written in the Jerusalem Post I I talked about you know the of the Jewish diaspora and I warned against this plan that that Iran had um concocted and I was there I mean they talked you know I was there inan it was um you know it was a breakaway session from the Palestine conference uh where I literally stood meters away from um uh from you know several people from leaders from Hamas just saying you know death is around there to America and I was like me just the way thinking like doesn't look good for me um and you know they explained to me what they wanted to do and uh you know trying to you know to just literally mapping out for me this agenda that they had and and I was thinking okay so let me let me talk about it now because it made sense I could see I could start to see the crumbs of information that would allow me to you know to make people realize that yes I'm not this is not you know figment of my imagination this is real it's happening look look at the look at the crumbs that they're living for us and then the story broke out a few month after that the Jewish Chronicles you know run an entire feature on the story that was actually 48 hours later confirmed and validated by you know the then Minister for security in the UK and so it was made clear that yes everything I had said so far was true it was backed by intelligence that the minister of security was willing now to come out and say you know we know and my question lies okay so what have you done about it and I'm not saying that the government owes me any favor in saying hey Katherine let me tell you what we doing behind closed doors but I'm talking in terms of you know the Jewish community in terms of even you know a government official that could still say something or at least maybe not make it worse for Israel or the Jewish Community by saying that everything actually exists in our in our head that no we're not a threat that yes there is a problem um and what can we do to make things better what can we do to protect each other because again the Jewish diaspora is not a foreign element within Society uh you know Jews in Britain are not foreign agents they are British um you know same thing goes for America and France and Germany and any other country for that matter and so what is being done to protect you know your own your own Nationals and I I don't know if anything is being done I hope that something is being done but we don't know about it and we don't know anything about it so what I'm saying is you know what's the plan um are people actually aware of the reality of the situation and again I'm not saying any of those things because I want people to panic what I want is people to be aware I went to you know I took risks but that that is my problem that was my choice nobody forc me um and so I'm a big girl and I I I don't expect people to say thank you or even to feel sorry for me because they shouldn't um I knew what I was doing mainly not all the time but you know for the most part um but I just I if someone is telling you the truth and someone is warning you and you have every reason to believe that this person is telling the truth why aren't you changing your behavior and your mind mind and actually saying okay let's come up with the plan let's let's make sure that the next time someone comes along and says something and shows that shows enough proof or at least has a reasonable you know um narrative that demonstrated and prove that yes maybe she's not completely crazy do something listen to people do not let people tell you twice who they are or show you twice they've shown us already October 7th happened it's the most most single terrible thing that has happened to us as a people since the sh and who are we to dishonor the memory of the Fallen by not doing something and ensure that the next generation Our Generation us our children are protected and I mean protected to the point where nothing can happen to them and I know that we can't protect people forever and all the time but we have a duty of care we have to do the best we can and right now we're not do it's not good enough and I'm sorry I know that we have ins insurmountable task at hand we need to free our hostages we have many things that we need to do but the Jewish diaspora needs to get basically the act together and do something and this is not an attack or a criticism this is me this is out of love I'm saying please protect yourself I don't want to see Bloodshed I do not want to lose any more people I don't want us to mourn anymore what I want us to do is to take a proactive stance against the isgc the regime I want to see this organization prescribed um you know I want everyone to prescribe this organization I want people to be clear about who is Kamas who is what they do to stop you know flying their flag across the the streets of of of Europe and and America I want people to be educated I want University to take the responsibility of of educating the Next Generation seriously and to stop pedaling you know terrorism I want people to be accountable for what they say on social media not to end Free Speech let them say what they want but for us to tell to hold them accountable for what they say because aiding and abating terrorism is illegal on The Intern law and yet and yet you know people are happy to be refunding HRA that has proven to have TI with Kamas by saying oh know the proof are not you know sufficient enough well I don't know there was pictures and there was videotapes of unra um employees you know being Kamas so I mean I'm sorry if he walks like a dog took like a dog it's a dock um you know Kamas is Hamas Hamas is a terrorist organization what are we doing the UN the UN the beautiful un United Nations um I mean I'm so glad that they just omitted completely not just a little bit but completely um to mention you know Jews and Israelis um you know from their commemoration discussing the the Fallen victims of terrorism terrorism day I mean come on come on this is this is revisionism at its worst and this is something out of the Playbook of the Islamic Republic of Iran and so my question is this if you are not serving international law and by extension here the the state of Israel if you're not actually attesting to what has gone on in Israel and the suffering that Israelis have gone through and I'm saying Israelis I'm not saying Jews I'm saying Israelis as in Christian Jews Muslims and actually don't care atheists whatever you want and say something terrible was done to them and against them then I'm sorry but you are no better than the rsgc and so you know question is to be answered what you RAR described previously Katherine is if there was ever a point that we could give any type of really um Force to the idea of never again it would be the ability to identify something like the van conference and say where these Nazis are getting together they're mapping out the Jewish communities around the world and preparing them for Destruction that would be a point to intervene and yet you're saying so now that that's exactly what the what what what Iran has done what the their regime has done and falling on on De ears it's it's worse than that it's just like okay we keep saying this it's falling on De ears but are you sure because there must be a point where we have to say if they keep doing what they're doing and we keep giving them proof of what they're doing and telling them you are serving the agenda of their rsgc and they disgard those proof by alleging that it's not enough that you know it's not precise enough that you know it's an ex in hasbara that oh we are we are self you know we are serving our own interests then my question is this do do you do you do you not know or do you actually know exactly what you're doing but ignoring us because we are the agenda is my question we have to ask this question at some point because how long how many times do we need the United Nations to say the things that it says to do the things that it does to literally excuse what was terrorism the worst kind possible and for us to continue to believe that the UN is actually an institution that has a leg to stand on and I'm I'm sorry to say I believe the right now to be serving an agenda that is very close to the rsgc and question is to be asked and and and the harsh question but you know if we don't ask them we're not serious about protecting our people so I'll say that possibly a little bit more bluntly than you did how many dead Jews do you need in order to persuade the world that these people actually intend on committing a genocide but as we uh unfortunately Katherine our time is running out um and U um I I I end these programs at least tried to end the programs on on a positive note give us a short positive message going forward where are we winning the battle well we no we are winning the battle because uh the the the rgc and K are actually terrified and I I recognized this in the in the speech that um Hassan gave just a few days ago uh it was very apologetic um they they scared they Running Scared they're running out of um of Runway and I'm really happy that they are uh I think the idef is closing in on them not just on the ground but um we're winning the narrative um at least at home with the diaspora I think that the Jewish people are united uh and that that gives me great joy because it's it's beautiful to see when we move together Miracles happens uh it happened many times over across history you could see it happening and I think that there's also a shift you know with the Arab capitals where they start to see the power that Israel actually holds um and they start to realize that it's it's it's it's a much better bet for them to be on the side of Israel and supporting Israel because the future is there rather than support the isgc and I think that you could see Signs Now also within the regime that cracks are appearing um there's there's a lot of fear paranoia the one thing I would like to say that is not talked about is that what you see happening right now the arrest in Iran uh allegations of you know um collaboration with mad whatever um it's actually a sign that there's um there's a bit of um a purge taking place in the regime and that is because there is there's um an agenda that was set out years ago should the leadership falter and by that I mean if he was in a position where he could not hold the country together anymore but they Ary to actually uh enact a coup and actually re Rebrand the Islamic Republic under a military dictatorship uh and I could see this happening so we need to be mindful of this and understand that um you know there is there is a possibility that actually the regime is cracking from within uh and that we might see Chang a lot faster than we think it doesn't mean we're going to be any safer because you're going to have proes of your own that going to be left very much alone and I don't know what that means on the ground and how they would react whether they would stop or just go Rogue well so I'm I'm not sure if that's a positive message or I think it's a positive because we're winning we winning we're winning against a regime that you know is tentacular so I said it's yeah yeah us but you know that really getting rid of the evil that there is is definitely something uh uh positive it may be replaced by another evil but we never know for another day we'll leave for another day uh Katherine thank you very very much for joining us thank you for your really for your great Insight um and I I reserve the the right to uh to call on you again do help better understand what's going on in the meantime good luck with all of your efforts and uh really to everyone around us we'll be back with you again next week in the meantime just stay safe and shabbat shalom to everyone