The Family Business: Brian Bosworth on the OU family, Brent Venables and acting

hello and welcome to the family business I'm Joker sigon Jr have my co-host Isaac stops in the house today the man who needs no introduction Brian Bosworth Brian thanks for joining us how are you doing I'm doing well guys congratulations on the show happy to be on with you guys thanks for taking the time no no we're really appreciative uh usually the first thing we kind of ask is you know I.E the name the family business uh you know you've been around the program um you are family to the program you know you're kind of coincide with ou and so like what kind of makes since you stepped away from Oklahoma in the plane days like what makes Oklahoma a family type atmosphere well of course you know winning creates the atmosphere of the culture in which success happens and when you're successful um people become closer um the expectation from coaches to players players uh to other players the senior players the you know under the um the younger players of freshmen are coming in uh creating that culture that at that atmosphere where um you know everybody is counted on um there is no weak link as long as everybody's giving effort and as long as that effort is is being seen with a great attitude and a buy Allin um kind of approach uh then the family just kind of grows but it really starts um from the success and the success really bleeds down from the head man and if the head man believes and is a great motivator and has great intensity and uh great knowledge of not only the game but of the personal um relationships of the players um it just creates you know that kind of fertilizer in which the family Dynamic can grow because everybody um wants to um not well want to impress everybody but they don't want to let anybody down so I think that's the biggest part of having family is not to disappoint and in order not to disappoint um everybody's got to have that I'm I'm all in I'm buying what you're selling and I'll go uh you know to the to the links that it takes to uh to prove that you can count on me so I think that's we've had that for decades um there's been some times where it didn't exist like in the 90s we struggled a little bit but in the 70s coach Switzer you know dominated college football but it was the way in which he recruited um and he took that same style through the 80s uh and then Coach stops took over and reestablished uh kind of what Barry was doing and with great players came great success and great you know games and you know the ability to you know win championships year after year and you know everybody wants to be part of that so when you're looking at Oklahoma as a top tier program you know there's not many uh that can you know stands toe-to-toe with Oklahoma and the success they've had decade over decade yeah obviously winning you know cares all you know you have a legendary coach like coach Switzer and you know all those things that go into picking a school um I was going to ask you what made you choose Oklahoma but that kind of speaks for itself right there but did you consider any other schools and I've I've heard a a interesting story about Coach Switzer in A&M in your lunchroom you got to you got to tell us that story while you're on today well I committed to every school I went to so um you know uh I I was in the mindset uh that I had a lot of Doubt coming out of high school my head coach wasn't one of those very um motivating kind of guys he didn't instill a lot of confidence and and you know reinforcement of my ability uh my assistant coaches did but uh you know was a head coach that was CAU was really making the phone calls and and talking to the the recruiting coordinators coming in at the time but you know when I went to SMU um I committed to them in the locker room when they won the Southwest Conference Championship um and then went to Baylor committed to Grant Taft Went to went to LSU I didn't commit to LSU because I just couldn't I couldn't stand that food I was on Pepto bis mol for a whole week coming out of thatp uh went to A&M really had a great time at A&M Jackie Cheryl was the head coach there um and uh my recruiter uh was um Jerry Petty bone and he he instilled um something that I hadn't really had in my life kind of a relationship with with God and Jesus and and the family that they had built down there and I really felt like that was the place that felt right I always wanted to go to Oklahoma and actually promised my grandfather that I would go to Oklahoma when I was 10 but my fear was uh looked at the roster and I thought man I don't know how I'm going to break that uh that you know that barrier where I can get in there and play some play some football because they had some some dominant players and I always looked at the big eight as just that tier above the Southwest Conference even though Texas and SMU and Arkansas and those guys they were competitive but you know the big eight conference back in those days they were just they was they physical dominant you know they were always in the you know National Championship pictures at the end of the year it was always at orange bow was always Nebraska was always Oklahoma um Oklahoma state was you know always good there so I to me it just felt like you know I wanted to play and I didn't want to sit and watch um so when I committed to A&M I I I called the coach there at Oklahoma and said hey look man I think I've made my decision I'm gonna cancel the trip to Oklahoma Barry switcher shows up in my C cafeteria two days later you know and thousand kids in my in my cafeteria lunchroom and he's screaming the B you know where is he where is and he's got all his Hardware on and he's you know wearing his his mint coat and you know just being you know Suave ble you know coat Switzer just a Swagger that everybody sees uh it's real uh but when he's calling you out it's you know it's a little intimidating um it's it's impressive at the same time because fact the guy knows your name um especially you know coming from a two and eight football team my senior year so it wasn't like a lot of success but he he was a he was a guy that that saw talent and uh he the way he talks the way he motivates and he talked about family and he just said hey you got to come up here give us a chance you want to win a championship and you're gonna get a championship if you come to Oklahoma um it's just a matter of we want you to want to be here uh and then when he when I brought him when he brought me into the office after the recruiting trip he had said um you know how how was your trip and I just frankl's asked him I said you know two and eight that's what my senior year was you could have any linebacker in the country uh and you're really pressing hard to get me to sign you've already got a couple of commitments you've got two all-americans playing right now why why do you need me and he just said you know I believe you have something that you don't know you have uh I can pull it out of you but you got to trust me uh and we want you to be part of our family uh and when he said that um that made all the difference in the world to me because he was the only one that went as far as he did to convince me that my presence in Norman was not only wanted but it was needed and I wanted to be part of that that atmosphere that's such a cool story I've heard it but hearding it straight from from your mouth is like a different level and uh for those of us you know who weren't even born then and you know we didn't get to watch coach Switzer coach and see that level of dominance you know we hear these stories we watch the documentaries but like you know hearing it firsthand you know is a different level uh what was what was it like playing for Coach Switzer I mean like we said the Swagger um did he really have that as much the level as like we hear today because we think of like man he rocked for coats and well yeah even now I mean he's just a larger than live figure you know he's the king you know so I wonder what it was like you know in the during you know his prime how was that for you guys yeah he he um he was the most charismatic head coach I think college football has really ever had I mean if you can put maybe another one or two up there I don't know who they would be that would you know stand toe-to-toe with the way coach Switzer walks it talks it believes it breathes it um you know bleeds it all of it um and he does it for his players uh he goes out and gets Talent he doesn't care where they're from he doesn't care their background he doesn't care you know their ethnicity he doesn't care about any of that stuff he looks at the person he's a great um he understands how athletes work he knows how to push the buttons and not every athlete has the same button so you you really have to understand psychology you know and and Coach is just real he's just real I mean he he's emotional um he I kind of modeled a little bit of you know the BOS I think it it might be a little Switzer um because you know when he when he's in a you know a press conference he says whatever the hell he wants to say he smokes a cigarette if he wants to smoke a cigar he'll drink his drink if he wants to drink um he doesn't care U because he's winning and he's winning um with the players that uh other schools wanted but they couldn't get um and he he didn't steal him he just convinced him that winning a championship means an awful lot so come to Oklahoma and you're going to get a chance to do that um and he's just a genuine guy and when you look at what he's done after he's coached and he's I guess in retirement but I don't think he's ever really retired because he's always working and he's always working with his players from every year that he coached he knows all of the players the mam the daddies he knows the players he didn't get and those Mas and daddies so the his Encyclopedia of knowledge in his head at his a is amazing I mean if we could transplant coach Switzer's brain into Biden man he'd be amazing he'd get 100% but he wouldn't because he can't because coach Switzer is one of a kind and uh I don't know anybody that has a bad word to say about him because he's just he is the real deal the king yeah no doubt I mean you talk college football has obviously changed so much from when you played and you know during that era um and I mean the culture like you said around Oklahoma it's it's remained consistent because we're you know we win and that's you know what kind of defines us but now you have the the transfer portal and nil and so things are just a lot different now and you know we talk so much about it being a family and that family can be a little bit harder to build when guys are coming in and also you know going out and you know that happen year after year um what are your kind of thoughts on the transfer portal do you think you know at some point them you know some guard rails or you know what kind of challenges do you think that might bring that you guys didn't have to face when building you know obviously your family yeah I it's a big difference now the culture um the kids that are coming out of uh College they've got the handout you know um attitude that mentality of what are you going to get me to you know give me to come to your program yeah um during our hard years to get a scholar a colle a college scholarship offer was such a big deal I mean it's everything that you worked for from the time you were in junior high and through high school and that want to desire and passion that you had you didn't care if you got paid you just wanted to go to your favorite school if you got a college scholarship offer from your favorite school you hit a grand slam and now these kids they're not looking at going to their favorite school they're looking at going to the school that's going to pay them the most or give them the most um exposure um or Cache or just it's it's frankly horseshit and it's it's going to ruin this the game because a coach can't recruit the players and keep them in the Corral because the Corral is full of chaos and if you got too many wild horses they're going to be kicking each other and a lot of the guys um they're not in it for the same reasons that the guys that want to be in the program whatever program that is are there for so creating that family all those things we talked about at the beginning it makes it increasingly harder uh and more difficult for the coaches to create a four-year program by bringing in guys that they want to cultivate and they want to mature through the program and get them involved um and bring them through the whole process making them bigger stronger faster smarter and buying in you don't buy in the first day you get there you got to see the culture and the the older guys have got to you know reach out to the younger guys and bring them along and and you know stir that that that soup and make it thick um and when you got money involved especially dark money coming from all over to mom m and daddies taking phone calls and say wait you're going to offer my son what if he does this and he just has to J Jump into the portal and it's automatic and it's it's ruining the essence of what college football is really all about which is the one of the very few sports that is paid played with so much passion you you know you could be number one in the country and a team the Snider rank can come into your house and because they got that that Mojo going and they feel good about themselves they can knock the number one team off in the country and that's the beauty about college football when you have a bunch of non names come in and beat a bunch of you know everyday household names and it's hard to do that when you got your stars leaving after one year because then school over there is going to pay me more money match me and I'll stay if not then I'm going to go over here so your skill positions like the quarterback the wide receiver linebackers the DBS you know the left tackles all the centers all these guys they have one good year and they still have three years left on on their on their college scholarship they're already looking out the door out the window and down the road they want somebody else unless you got some True Blue Bloods that want to be at Oklahoma for four years um which I know we've got some and the challenge is making them happy and letting them be patient to go along with the process so that playing time comes when they're ready to go but you can only be ready to go when you put the work in and you're ready to go when a coach calls your name but you got to be prepared so there's a lot of ingredients on both sides but the players right now have too much leverage and they're not smart enough at the age that they are to understand what their their their sacrificing what the risk is by going in that transfer portal they may lose something that they didn't know that they had if they had just stayed and been patient because a lot of these guys go in the portal and they don't get picked up and then that's it game over and what are they going to do there so they got to put some guard reils on maybe go in the portal one time you know second time you got to go in you got to sit out a year um and then after that that's it you only get one opportunity um you know there's got to be some some you know I've always thought you know instead of doing a one-year college scholarship offer you know make it a four-year or make it a threeyear you get a three-year offer I'm sorry you can't cannot leave if you leave and you get ni nio money to get there you got to give that nio money back so how bad do you really want to leave you know so there's got there's ways to kind of get around it but you know right now the the NCAA is you know they're they' they're like ostriches they've stuck their head in the in the sand and they don't want to know anything what's going on which back in the day they were up everybody's caho because they wanted to know everything was going on they were opening people's mail speak for it's it's completely different I think those two solutions that you proposed uh are two of like the more realistic Solutions you know you can only transfer once and then after that you have to sit out a year or you know having multi-year scholarships to prevent transferring because it I just at that age I can't imagine like the pressure you would feel from people who are making decisions for you that don't have your best interest I.E like I mean you have these nil agents you have agents you have family members you have handlers well some sometimes it's even aunts and uncles or it's a family friend or it's you know and a lot of people have a lot to say about something that's ultimately not going to affect them long term like it's going to be the you know the person that it's happening to and and those people don't hear any dog in a fight I mean they're not actually living it day in and day out they haven't put the work in and they don't really have anything to to risk the player the athlete has everything to risk and if he goes to a school the coach that the coaches love him and and the players love him and he's and he's in a great environment and he can get a great education with a great alumni base uh and all he has to do is just put the work in just put the work in I mean because it ain't nothing in life for free and you're not gonna get handy to anything you might get a silver platter for one year because they everybody thinks you know you made one great catch or you made one great run on we could use him but then you go there it's like you know there's not one player doesn't make the team you need 11 guys that love it on the field at one time all doing the right thing for everybody to look good you know just so just because you got one guy can throw the ball and the other guys can't catch it doesn't mean you're GNA get more yards I mean it just you just have to you have to trust why the coaches came in and offered you the scholarship to begin with yeah if they offered it to you because they loved you then you should stay there and see how much love you can get get out of it yeah it's like well you know the grass is isn't Always Greener elsewhere it's green where you water it I think that's something that BV has done a really good job of is is you know bringing back that culture and um I mean just establishing such a strong relationship with his players but also just his message of just being around him for that little bit while was student coaching like he's a you know a leader of men and he he won't ask you to do anything that he won't do um so yeah what are your thoughts on you know the team now on BV on how he's kind of you know brought a little bit of that edge back you know especially in the linebacker room but overall as a defense I mean I guess we could start um where your thoughts are there well you know I like what he's doing as we go into the SEC um you have to have a dominant defensive front line linebacker and defensive back and you then have to have depth along with that because when you go into the SEC you know you're going to be playing four full hard-nosed quarters of football you can't get it done in a half um there's not going to be any runaway games everybody's got great talent in the SEC uh and every game is going to be a battle all the way into the fourth quarter and you got to get these guys to understand that um your mental toughness has to sustain itself from quarter first quarter to the second quarter and then gear it back up in the third and fourth quarter uh and keep it at that high level uh I mean you've seen coach Venable in action you know and he's a great um you know soft talker but man when he's in a room you know he's as intense as they all are uh and you got to love that because he's played it he knows it um he knows that um there's got to be uh and I'm really on both sides of the ball um maybe a little bit more cerebral on the offensive side so that they know um how to you know how to execute the plays but on the defensive side of the ball what he really is trying to to get the guys to do is one be intense you get intensity attitude uh the willingness to sacrifice oneself regardless of how that that blow is going to feel um is the key to being a great defensive player and and if he if he can get those players which I know that he's cultivating he's bringing some the kids in got that kid from TCU I like him a lot um the Dom Dominic Dominic yeah he he's going to be a dominant player the you know we've got a lot of great kids that are coming in that are brand new um but what he does in motivating uh the players I've seen it when he was defensive coordinator uh under Bob Stoops and he just honed that and made it better when he was at Clemson uh and then he's brought that back home to oklah and what I see in the locker room because I've been blessed to get into the locker room several times and see him do his work both on the road before game during a game at Halftime and then how he uh celebrates with the guys or commissures a loss um he's right there in the thick of it with these guys so you talk about a coach who's all in for his players I don't know a coach in college football that is as intense and is as all in as coach Bren brenol is for Oklahoma and his players speaking of that enen you've kind of developed this interesting relationship and it's interesting for a lot of reasons because he's a linebacker there's some similarities with the Swagger and stuff and so coach bv's got this relationship with Danny stutsman because he's kind of his Workhorse his leader right now in defense along with Billy Bowman of course and then you also have that relationship with Danny stutzman of course being in his return video last year when he was announcing that he was uh passing on another year of the draft um so just kind of talk about you know your relationship with Danny you know as he reached out to you you know about being a face of a program and leading a defense um and bringing that to a championship level well you know I saw Danny come on when he first got there and you know I knew that he had some talent and and he worked hard and that I will give him a lot of credit for the work that he's done but he um he came up to me last year before the season started and he asked um what does it take to be a leader you know and I said you know it's not so much what you say it's what you do um if you do it consistently and you do it play after play and you rally the guys and you always have that attitude that we don't quit um that's not what we do I don't care what the scores you just you just never quit um it permeates not only your linebacker core but it permeates throughout your defense and then people look at you as the leader um and not only does he hear but he listens and he does and he he executes not only his job but he's he's he is a great leader for that defense he's spiritually there he's emotionally there um he's physically there on on a lot of the plays um he makes the players around him better um and and I know coach vbls loves him I loves I know he loves the effort that he constantly gives and and and kids that see that you know the young kids see that you know they they see his effort and you know you might fail on a play I mean that's just happens you know you're not going to win every single play but players that watch other players and they always have 100% effort whether they win the play or they lose the play there's 100% effort no matter what um that's the kind of leadership that you need to have in order not only to have a successful transfer of what Brent took over from Lincoln but then to lead it build it and created for that next Generation coming and I think it was valuable for for Danny to listen not only to coach venerables I had a small you know conversation with him about how I thought my personal opinion was he needed one more year of seasoning um that video that we did was actually done to help promote him for the buckus award but he got he got injured in the Kansas game I was there for that game and and uh he couldn't go in the Kansas game second half and he couldn't go in the Oklahoma State game and I think that kind of cost him um the the chance of getting in that conversation but the kid that won the buckus award last year was welld deserved kid was amazing um I think he came out of South Carolina um but but Danny is is not that far off from being there and he needs this one more year not only the season and it's a win win it's a win for Oklahoma and it's a win for Danny because I think another year of seasoned work in the SEC at that next level of of competition and he leads us and creates uh much success for himself um is only going to translate better for him at that next level in the NFL draft you know and he I think he if he' had came out this last year he might have been a fifth sixth round pick uh if if he stayed and goes and has a great year and does what everybody hopes and prays that he does you know he could be a first or second round pick um I think that highly of him he's a smart cerebral guy with a lot of intelligence a lot of intensity and that's exactly what coach Bren Brent venerables needs um not only as a coach off the field but a coach as a player coach um in the locker room um with the players with the younger guys to bring those guys in and go this is what you're expecting to do at the University of Oklahoma yeah I I mean I love I love watching him play and obviously I mean coach vinal defense is very complex and it you know it's very fluid like it changes a lot based on pre-nap things and I think obviously him and uh Billy do a great job of of making sure we're all in the right places um before we close here in a second I got to I got to ask you so like the longest yard is one of my favorite movies I think it's so funny um and then obviously I've seen your 30 for 30 everyone has um and then the you know Pepsi fansville commercials I know because you kind of stepped into pepper Pepsi not Pepsi Dr Pepper see I'm glad you caught me but um I know you kind of stepped into the acting role for a little bit what did you enjoy that or like how was that experience you know for the most part you know it took me um it took me some time to um to realize the career was over um because you know I knew what I was built for I was built to play to play football and I put everything heart soul everything into it and um you know the 90s was tough um one physically and emotionally spiritually um all of it that was a really tough decade for me because I just felt like um a lot of things I got abandoned I got left behind I got whatever you know um happened I was fortunate that I had a guy that you know was my agent that wanted to do uh you know have an athlete that was a you know played football and he translated into the movies he told me that when he when we were talking before you know I signed with him and I said frankly I don't have any desire to be an actor you can do whatever you want to you know off the field um but I plan on playing as long as I can and you know somewhere down the road if there's you know if there's a desire there and it works out um great and I didn't realize that desire was going to have to be put in my face as quickly as it did cuz you know year three I'm out and I'm just going now what do I do with my life thank God he planted that seat it it was intimidating because I'm not a trained actor I don't know I didn't have any idea what the hell I was doing and you know he throws me in a movie right off the bat where I'm the star I'm carrying the film that was at Stone Cold oh yes um I was blessed to have a lot of guys around me that were great actors and I it's not a bug you catch what I think it did more for me than anything was it filled a hole um it was a it was it was a canyon really of Despair um because it gave me something to do and I didn't start to learn to love it until I didn't want to do it anymore uh because it I I didn't feel like I was doing it for um it wasn't adding anything to my life I I guess you can say uh and I think that's when I really came to the Jesus moment of you know I've really got to do something different um and and I need I need some help and I don't know what that help is but I need it to come in some way shape or form and it actually came in in the form of a film and it came in U you know in a script that I I told my agent at the time I said I'm not interested I'm done I'm finished I'm going on you know to different stuff and he goes no no no you got to read the script they love you they want you you don't even have to audition for it I I'm not interested and and I ended up reading the script because I knew that if I didn't get off the phone with him and tell him I'd read it you know he'd Badger me for for weeks and and then I got before I got off the film or got off the phone with him he said I gotta warn you it's a Christian movie and I go oh great that's not what I ever wanteded to you know read for uh but when I read it uh it it rocked my world because um it showed me exactly who I was as a human being what I had become what I had allowed myself to become and and I didn't like it and I wanted it to change so I did the film and it and it it really changed my perspective on on what his plan for me really is because I think I was working so hard on making my plan work for me that I was missing all of the great blessings that he had really planned for me and I was just ignoring them and you can't do that um if you ignore what his purpose is for you even though that purpose may not be what you want to do at that time there's great blessings in it but you have to be willing to open up your mind heart and soul and let him guide you and you got to go along for the ride so uh that changed my life and since then you know things have been great uh doesn't mean that I'll continue to do the things that I'm doing because I you know Hollywood is one of those businesses you have no control over um but I I have been blessed you know the the Dr Pepper fans Bill stuff has been amazing we've had a great time doing it we're doing another season this year uh and you know I'm just I'm taking it as it comes but I have been fortunate enough to be in the longest yard that was my favorite movie when I grew up the riginal you know and then to have the opportunity to have that moment with Bert Reynolds on the goal line you know and that's another great story where he you know we were we shot that at the you know in in the morning he wasn't even on set we shot it with a stunt double and he comes out after lunchtime and he's all fired up hey boss man we're we're doing it we're doing it I said no we're not we've already done it he go what do you mean I said we shot that this morning and he goes uhuh I'm the longest start I'm the original they're not making this movie without me uh and I said well you can go talk to Peter Peter seaga was the director and Adam sand was over there standing with him and Bert's just throwing a piss fit and he goes uh I'm we're doing this bring everybody back and we're doing the on the goal line play with BOS and and Adam's behind the director and behind uh uh Bert and he's like shaking his head going no man cut it off cut it off and uh I said how do you say no to Bert Reynolds but you can't say no to Bert Reynolds I'll never work I work work again uh but we ended up doing it you know and he had a blast uh getting hit um he even got mad at me because I didn't hit him hard enough so it was it was um it was an amazing experience and I think that's I take that same attitude that because I was an athlete into all of my projects because I really kind of look at it as a family when you go on a set movie Set you got to have a family atmosphere and an attitude because you got to work with everybody everybody's got to be you know feeling good about what they're doing their job to give them encouragement you got to give them criticism you got to work with them you got to be present for them you got to be appreciative of them and that's the same thing you got to do as a you know you know as a football player as a football coach as a as a trainer all that stuff all the small little pieces that go into to making a championship football program um they're all important and you know what they're all at the University of Oklahoma and they've been there for years so I think that's the great thing and I think that's why coach venerables has had so much SU success in his recruiting I mean we talk a whole another hour about his recruiting success going into the SEC versus the number of players he's lost and he's replenished them with maybe even better players so I think only time will tell but I think it was everybody's super excited about the SEC this next year I am I don't I don't think there's a single person who's not uh one thing we' like to do on the family business is we like to give the opportunity for our guests to ask us a question um we always put put them on the spot we never give them heads up so don't don't don't we do it for everybody but uh any questions to us about us in general our fathers are upbringing Oklahoma what we're doing in the studio what am I doing tomorrow like anything am I doing after this uh Mr castillon all right so let me ask you um how is it being the son of Joe um with him resurrecting Oklahoma not only in football but across the board in the success that we've had in so many multiple Sports basketball gymnastics um baseball softball uh golf all of it um do you do you feel the pressure of living up to the uh Legend of what he has accomplished and then how do you you feel like you're going to follow in so that you're e you're not necessarily a shadow but you want to maintain your own light your own bright light but do you feel sometimes that his success over Shadows anything you could possibly do or do you have uh a path for yourself to see to success it's a really good question and some you know I've asked myself you know throughout my life uh I kind of talked about before actually about how for a long time I didn't want to go to Oklahoma CU I didn't want to be you know J Joe's son uh but something that I've kind of adopted uh you know when speaking with my mentors and stuff is like I always say like I'm my Father's son but I'm my I'm My Own man I'm my Father's son but my own man and so um just trying to carve my path um in a different direction for the longest time I did want to go in athletic Administration and I haven't closed that door yet but that's just not something that I'm called to do right now um and so I don't really any feel like anything's overshadowed uh per se but I mean I'm named after the guy so I always they're like if I ever go to get get a to go order and they expect to see my dad and they see and they see me walk in they're all disappointed I'm like I'm sorry about that uh or people are like oh like I was expecting another one like yeah but you got the younger more outspoken one but uh and so I don't feel like everything's overshadowed just trying to carve up my path um it's kind of funny you talked about just like your calling and stuff and so I'm just taking everything day by day um handling my business and going forward but I mean it's been a blessing I've never looked at it as anything other other than that um extremely fortunate to be able to watch that growing up and see how he's built it step by step and having him as my father and so I it's a blessing I've never you know looked as a burden um sometimes you know I have uh people who have different expectations for me or you know sometimes I may just feel some internal pressure to do this or that um but it's a blessing you know for sure you I I like the fact that you use the word path that you're carving your own path and I use an acronym for path pass attitude Tri trials tribulations truth honesty you can put all kinds of different words to the to the letters that suit your need but the first one's the last one's humble honor home humility all that stuff and I think that's really if you if you stay along those lines you'll find that specific path that he has in in store for you now Isaac for you yeah um obviously your dad um Legend uh but you've also got your Uncle Mark Mike you know they're all in coaching do you feel like um because I that's one thing that I think I regret um when I got the call um hey your career is over that's it I was so mad at football it was like the last thing I wanted to be is round football and what I should have done is just turned around and thrown myself back back into the game and give back all the passion that I had to the other players all that so they could feel the same way that I feel um and maybe they play you know and I get to be part of their path but I didn't and I've always regretted not going into coaching do you see yourself going along the lines into a coaching career so excuse me um so I I I actually got into coaching uh I was a sophomore and college and one of my old coaches called me up and wanted me to coach Varsity receivers at more high school so I did that um really enjoyed it you know at the high school level just like you said pouring back into those guys giving them all the knowledge you know that I have and the passion that I have and just you know the camaraderie anybody who has played football and been around the lock room when you leave it you miss it you know it's like that's like the my most favorite thing I don't care all the plays I've made or any cool things I've done it was always just the fun times in the locker room and being around you know that uh that culture but and then I student coached for under under coach grinch here under Lincoln and then a little bit for BV for almost two years and um just kind of like what Joe said I just I just didn't think it was my calling at the time I haven't closed that door by any means it's just you know how it is growing up around it you spend a lot of time away from your family and now it's even more recruiting and even longer hours and you know it's just it's it's changed a lot it's definitely a very attractive attractive profession you know obviously because you get to do what you love different it is a lot different though yeah so but I don't feel any pressure you know in regards to my uncles or my dad it's I'm it's just really like I I take a lot of pride in my name being um from that family from my you know my grandma D raised all of them and she did a good job and they've poured that into us so just very thankful to you know be a part of it and um you know people have expectations and you know that's that's honestly a blessing so really don't look at it any other way than that so one last thing for both of you guys so what is your favorite thing to do as a pastime living in Oklahoma mine was fishing I go any Pond any place can pole no pole Zebco didn't matter I'm fishing off a pier off the side of you know dirt road what does doesn't matter what do you guys like to do I like the golf I'm not very good at it but I don't know if that counts but yeah I it's kind of similar to yours but I just like going to the lake you know Oklahoma has a lot of lakes and you know some are a little bit more prettier than others but I go out to Lakey Falla which is about 2 hours East I was there this but just being there and you know whether that be fishing or going out on the boat or going on a walk um just taking some time there I mean that's like about as much nature as I get in have you been to K tin killer yet oh yeah I've been to Tin killer is beautiful tin killer is a nice Lake that's a beautiful Lake that's that's a little bit north and so when you get a little bit north tin killer uh Grand those are a little yeah those are a little nicer than Lake e Falla but Lakey Falla is dirt bottom and you see it yeah yeah yeah so we we greatly appreciate having you on it was awesome thank you for coming had a lot of fun guys thank you uh for everybody who's watching Remember to like comment and subscribe that helps us help you it helps Alm and so we'll see you next week and remember to keep it in the family bummer