I'm curious you say the government's so evil like I haven't heard you say one good thing is there anything good that the government's doing they're really good at being evil they do a great job I said the thing about the Nazis what they did with the Jews they put up incredible numbers sh you don't think there's nothing that the government is doing that's good oh no I mean there are well-intentioned are there well-intentioned people in government oh yeah yeah yeah sure sure no I think there are well-intentioned people in government and I think that they get shot in the head off they will if they're too well intentioned they know too much but it's like it's like I don't know like of course there's things they do that are good but in the same sense that there could be like a serial killer could still do something that's good in his life like he might you know what I mean like a serial killer at some point they might be like will you donate another dollar for children who need so and so and he's like okay and it's like um I think that the instrument itself is kind of evil so the the so anybody who plays it is just going to be complicit with the evil yeah you're you're going to get caught up in that it's like a system you can't but in the same it's like I look at the government as like a criminal organization morally speaking so in the same sense if you were to ask me like has a has a mob family ever done anything good like yeah I'm sure I'm sure they have sure were yeah I'm sure right and I'm sure they did like even that guy like you know like in any of those gangster movies you watch I'm sure there was a time when some guy was like beating up his wife and they went and tossed that guy a beating or something like that like yeah there's some good things they do sure yeah sorry go ahead I was just going to ask is that American government or is that like capital G the institution of government itself the institution everywhere I think the sorry I think the illusion that we have is that every other country's government is corrupt except ours right like that's kind of how like Americans go into maybe black Americans are a little bit more uh distrusting of the government but but I once you find out that there are these government institutions or just like corporate entities in general that operating with like high level collusion and Corruption it's kind of a staggering moment it what's even C I think that's right but what's even crazier to me is that people who are kind of like on to the government corruption and start realizing how corrupt this whole system is still if there's a conflict between us and Russia they kind of snap back to they're like no matter how corrupt they see our government as being they could still never see it like Russia you know what I mean like it's it's been amazing particular with the War uh since the war in Ukraine broke out uh how many people in the US will just be like we can't stand for someone invading a sovereign country and you're like you are you are familiar with very recent history right very Rec like I'm not saying like 80 years ago we did something like this I'm saying we're still there like we're we still have troops in Iraq right now we still have troops in Syria right now is like what are what world are you living in that like our the the vehicle we have is our government to but so what you think that's DC's motive is that they're just like we just can't stand by while someone invades Another Country what is your solution well I mean like ultimately the solution would be for uh government to stop doing a lot of the evil stuff that they're doing but how do we get that I'm I'm I'm look I'm asking you as like someone I consider a leader in this idea what would your your solution be I'm not like trying to do gotcha well we're already in trouble if I'm the leader um but I would I think that uh that I think I I really think that propaganda is incredibly powerful like as I was saying before and I think the fact that like there's so many like shows with huge audiences now that can kind of like shine a light on all this stuff I think that's really powerful so in short I think like telling the truth is very very powerful and then in terms of what would actually roll back kind of government corruption I don't know you know I mean I think there's there's a there's something going on we have not figured it out yet but but I'm not saying anything positive about how Donald Trump actually governed but the fact that there was so much hunger for a Donald Trump like figure I think shows something of people waking up I think even Bernie too ber both s Bobby Kennedy like all these guys hon I'm not just saying this because I'm Indian V oh yeah 100% V ramaswami was like I me he he took a very hard line yeah on government corruption I mean when he was on the pot he was I was like I was like what if this corruption benefits Us in certain ways like hypothetically what if these government policies this interventionism that we're doing benefits us and gives us a better lifestyle would you if you found that out would you still want to go through it and uh if would you still want to go through it if it meant getting rid of the managerial class that's what he talks about I'm sure you've heard the term oh yeah yeah and um he goes uh the people deserve a government uh that represents them for better or worse so he's like I will take a shittier America or or higher price for food or higher price for medication whatever it is if we get if we're actually making the decisions there people representing our decisions yeah how would you answer that well I think that uh so I'd say that I think I if there's one like kind of universal truth that I've found in my life is that like lying to yourself is destructive um I think it's worse than lying to other people and lying to other people is bad too but lying yourself is like the most powerful destructive thing you can do and so if it were the case that us going in Mass slaughtering a bunch of people in Iraq and Libya and Afghanistan and Syria and Yemen and Somalia and all these places that gave us a better a higher standard of living then let's look ourselves in the mirror and have that honest conversation is that who we are do we is the role of the United States of America that we are the world Empire and we're going around to take your [ __ ] and give it to us and if you want to have that honest conversation with yourself and then conclude yes that's what we're going to do then at least have that honest conversation don't sit here and pretend I've had that conversation this is why I know I ain't [ __ ] I've been like yeah all right my life is much better so either I can leave or I can just accept this is what it is and I ain't leaving well fair enough unless there's another coming that's the first step would be to ask that question um but I don't I I just don't believe that it's true I think that like I think that it has made um there's there's special interests that have benefited tremendously off of all of those Wars but I don't know I mean I'm like looking around the country it's like no I don't think this has been good for not only our economy but just like our soul I don't think it's you know I know that's a Biden thing you said the soul of the nation or whatever something there's something to that you want people to be proud of the country they're living in I think an American Pride right now is an alltime low and you got to give them something to be proud of I actually thought a lot about this like a friend of mine I got to give him credit Ben U I was like what why do you why are you proud to be American and uh and he's like I think you can be the best version of yourself here and I thought that that was that was the that to me was is America and something you still can be represented by yeah and like but it was it was important I it was like July 4th and we were thinking about like doing a piece on it and it was like like yeah why should we I think you know we have to Bolter some like American sentiment this is a great country this is amazing there's all opportunity we get to be [ __ ] comedians running around talking [ __ ] we actually get to you know provide for our families but he brought that up and he was like yeah we can be the best version of ourselves here yeah I mean I think that's always been the best thing about America is that you could kind of be the author of your own story and you can kind of like you know it's never been perfect never will be perfect but it's like yeah you could like make something of yourself and I think we very much take it for granted um it it has not been true in most of the world for most of human history that you could like come from something kind of humble and make something really cool of yourself here and that's awesome but in terms of like say like the war stuff and dominating the rest of the world I just I don't see any evidence that that's connected to like that the two are connected I mean look even after we we get hit on 9/11 we launch the war on terrorism in late 2001 we start the war in Afghanistan 2003 the war in Iraq in 2008 we have the worst Financial recession in a 100 years I don't like see this evidence that it's like oh this is building up our well it's it's really beneficial to loed Martin andage I don't think so