VIGOROUS TONE IN SHARP CONTRAST TO HIS DEBATE PERFORMANCE WHICH WAS DESCRIBED AS SHAKY AND LACKLUSTER. >> LET'S GET INTO THIS. HOW MUCH CAN ONE VALLEY LESS THAN 24 HOURS LATER BLUNT THE TAKE AWAY FROM THE DEBATE. >> IT IS THE FIRST STEP WITH 128 OR 129 DAYS AWAY. WHAT WE SAW ON THURSDAY NIGHT, PEOPLE WILL SEE WHAT THEY WANT. A GOOD MAN, A GOOD PRESIDENT HAD A BAD NIGHT. A TERRIBLE EX-PRESIDENT AND TERRIBLE PERSON WHO DID A TERRIBLE JOB REMINDED US EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS DONE, WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO. THAT HAS TRANSLATED ODDLY INTO NO REAL SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE POLLS. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN IN JOE BIDEN'S FAVOR. I THINK THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. PUNDITS WATCH THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN AND VOTERS WATCH THE LEFT. IF YOU WATCH THE LEFT YOU ARE REMINDED WHY DONALD TRUMP SHOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR THIS OFFICE AGAIN. AS AN ASIDE I WOULD SAY THANK GOD. NOW WE HAVE TO SEE EVERY SINGLE WORD HE SAID AS OPPOSED TO ALL THIS TALK. THE MUTING DID NOT HELP HIM. >> YOU CANNOT SAY IT PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN VERTICAL. DID THIS OUTWEIGH THE SUBSTANCE OF HIS ANSWERS. >> WHEN YOUR DAD IS 81 AND YOU MOTHER IS 78 YOU DON'T SAY DAD MARRIED A YOUNGER WOMAN. I WOULD PUT JOE BIDEN'S ACUITY AGAINST DONALD TRUMP'S ANYWAY. JOE BIDEN IS IN GREAT PHYSICAL HEALTH COMPARED TO DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP HAS LIED ABOUT HIS HEALTH SINCE 26 -- 2015. IT WAS A BAD NIGHT. IT WAS A BAD 90 MINUTES. THANKFULLY IT WAS JUST 90 MINUTES. THERE WILL BE SO MANY OTHER MOMENTS INCLUDING THE STATE OF THE UNION. >> WILL THERE BE OTHER DEBATES. THERE ARE GROWING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP NEVER DID ONE DEBATE. COULD THE CAMPAIGN JUST ADMIT, LET'S SAY A DEBATE IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH VOTERS ESPECIALLY TRYING TO COUNTER AN OPPONENT WHO LIES AND AVOIDS ANSWERING QUESTIONS. . IT IS HARD TO GET IN THE PUNCH . HERE IS WHAT I'M GOING TO BRING AND LIFTING THIS UP. >> I PLAYED DONALD TRUMP AND THE HILLARY DEBATE PREP. I WAS SPEWING THE HATE AND LIES AND TOTAL INACCURACIES. ON THE ONE HAND IT IS INCREDIBLY HORRIBLE THAT THIS GOOD MAN, GOOD PRESIDENT HAS TO SHARE THE STAGE. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID HE SHOULD NOT HAVE. ON THE OTHER HAND, I BELIEVE IF YOU PLAYED THAT GAME 10 TIMES JOE BIDEN COMES OUT LOOKING GREAT AT LEAST SEVEN TIMES. >> THAT IS SEPTEMBER. IT IS A LOT CLOSER. THERE IS TIME TO TURN THIS AROUND 4 1/2 MONTHS AHEAD. >> THERE IS A SECOND DEBATE UNTIL THERE IS NOT A SECOND DEBATE. I THINK IT WAS INTERESTING THAT HE DID NOT SEE INCENTIVE FOR DONALD TRUMP TO DEBATE. YOU ARE TELLING ME AND THIS ENTIRE CYCLE OF THE GOP PRIMARY THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD DEBATE WELL. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT CONFIDENT IN HIS OWN TAKE. IF I WERE HIM I WOULD BE PRETTY EMBARRASSED. THAT WAS JOE BIDEN AT HIS WORST AND DONALD TRUMP AT HIS BEST AS DEFINED IS NOT LIGHTING HIMSELF ON FIRE OR SHOOTING SOMEBODY ON FIFTH AVENUE. THE NUMBERS ARE STILL TIGHT BECAUSE PEOPLE REMEMBER. I THINK THERE WAS ONE MORE POTENT THAT I HOPE VOTERS PICKED UP. THIS IS JUST NOT A MATTER OF REMEMBERING THE FOUR YEARS OF DONALD TRUMP AND THE MOVIES THAT WE SAW. HE GOT WORSE EVERY YEAR. REMEMBER WHERE HE LEFT OFF. HE LEFT OFF WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. THE JANUARY 6 ATTACKS AND COMING AND REFUSING TO LEAVE OFFICE. HE WILL GET WORSE EVERY YEAR. THAT IS NOT A MOVIE WE HAVE SEEN. THAT IS A HORROR FILM. PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A CHOICE. YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT IT IS THE CHOICE. WE HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN AN OLDER MAN WHO'S DOING A GREAT JOB AND CARES ABOUT 100% OF AMERICA AND ANOTHER OLDER MAN WHO IS NOT SMART, WHO DID A TERRIBLE JOB, AND BY HIS OWN ACCOUNT IS COMING INTO OFFICE SAYING HE WANTS TO GET AN DICTION. HE DOES NOT EVEN DENY THAT HE WANTS VENGEANCE. >> LET'S GET TO YOUR EXPERIENCE. SOME OPPOSITES ARE PLAYING THE PRESIDENT'S TEAM SAYING THEY OVER PREPARED HIM WHICH STIFLED HIS NATURAL STYLE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO OVER PREPARED CANDIDATE? HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> I KNOW ENOUGH PEOPLE ON THE TEAM. THE FIRST CHIEF OF STAFF WHO RAN THE DEBATE PREP. I DO NOT THINK THAT THEY OVER PREPARED. I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH PREPARING FOR DONALD TRUMP IS THAT IT IS NOT JOHN McCAIN OR BARACK OBAMA. THERE IS NO CONSISTENCY TO IT. BECAUSE OF THE EROTICISM AND WHAT CAN HAPPEN AT ANY MOMENT EVEN THOUGH IT IS PREDICTABLE, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. FRANKLY, I DO NOT KNOW HOW. I TRAVELED OVER 1 MILLION MILES TO 110 COUNTRIES AS AN OFFICIAL WITH HILLARY CLINTON. WE WOULD BE DONE AND I WOULD GO TO MY HOTEL ROOM AND'S SLEEP FOR A DAY AND A HAVE. SHE WOULD DO FUNDRAISERS AND EVENTS. I THINK WE ARE UNDERESTIMATING WHAT JOE BIDEN DOES DAY TODAY. DONALD TRUMP IS STILL UNEMPLOYED AND WILL HOPEFULLY STAY THAT WAY. THIS IS A BIT MUCH. IT IS HARD TO PREPARE FOR DONALD TRUMP. HE HAS DEBATED ONE-ON-ONE SIX TIMES BETWEEN 2016 AND 2020. I WOULD SAY HE HAS DONE PRETTY BADLY AND AT LEAST FOUR OF THOSE SIX. TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE IT PERFORMATIVE JUST BECAUSE THE LAST ONE IS NOT AS HORRIBLE AS PREVIOUS. THAT'S HOW WE GAUGE DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP RAISED $14 MILLION . OF DONALD TRUMP RAISED $14 MILLION WE WOULD ALL BE TALKING ABOUT LOSING DEBATES IS GREAT FOR DONALD TRUMP AND BEING CONVICTED IS GREAT FOR DONALD TRUMP. JOE BIDEN WILL DO HIS JOB AND HOPEFULLY THERE ARE MANY MORE MOMENTS OVER THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT. IT WAS HEARTENING FROM WHAT WE SEEN SO FAR. I COULD END UP EATING MY WORDS BUT IT IS HEARTENING THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO BE OPEN TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING. YOU HAD THE HATERS LOOKING AT BIDEN READY TO POUNCE. I UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT SAYING IT LOOKED GOOD BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER JUST NOT SURE WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW BAD THE OTHER GUY WAS IN A WAY, DONALD TRUMP WAS EXPOSED IN THAT DEBATE IN A WAY HE HAD