OR NOT. WE HAVE KATIE PAVLICH, EDITOR TOWN HALL.COM AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR. WE HAVE HUE HEWITT, HOST HUGH HEWITT SHOW AND COAUTHOR ALEX MARLOW. THANK YOU FOR BEING ON. KATIE, I'M GOING TO LET YOU START AND PEOPLE SAYING TRUMP GOT LOST, EVERYTHING, THIS AND THAT. I HAPPENED THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS. KATIE PAVLICH, YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WEIGH IN FOR ME, PLEASE. >> I WOULD NEVER TEAR APART THE GREAT LARRY KUDLOW'S RIFF. ABSOLUTELY NOT. WHEN WE LOOK AT PURPOSE OF THESE DEBATES, WE ARE IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CYCLE. THE PURPOSE IS TO SERVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON ISSUES THEY THEY CARE ABOUT AND THIS DID NOT DO THAT. THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR PEOPLE IN THIS IS THE ECONOMY. INFLATION DESTROYED FAMILY BUDGETS AND DESTROYED LIVELIHOODS AND DESTROYED THE AMERICAN DREAM FOR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND NUMBER TWO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND DIRECTLY TIED TO THE ECONOMY AND HORRIFIC INFLATION WE'VE SEEN AS A RESULT OF THE BIDEN HARRIS OPEN BOARDER AND SENDING IN 15, 20 MILLION NEW PEOPLE INTO THE COUNTRY. AND THEN HE FUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE HOUSING SHORTAGE IS ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TAKING AWAY THE VERY SCARCE HOUSING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY. THOSE TWO THINGS ARE VERY LITTLE TALKED ABOUT AND SO I THINK THERE WAS A HUGE DISSERVICE DONE TO PEOPLE WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TWO THINGS AND RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS AND KAMALA HARRIS DIDN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ARE WE BETTER ECONOMICALLY TODAY THAN FOUR YEARS AGO. SHE DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE SHE CANNOT HONESTLY BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS NO. THAT'LL STICK WITH PEOPLE AND ASKING THEM TO BASICALLY SAY VIBES OF THE KAMALA HARRIS CAMPAIGN AND IGNORE WHAT YOUR LIFE WAS LIKE UNDER TRUMP. LARRY: I'VE GOT ALEX MARLOW ON THIS. I ARGUE THAT ENOUGH. I DON'T THINK HE SAID ENOUGH ABOUT THE ECONOMY OR ECONOMIC GROWTH. I DON'T THINK HE SAID QUITE ENOUGH ABOUT HIS SPECIFIC POLICIES ON TAXES AND SPENDING AND HE COULD HAVE MENTIONED IT MORE BUT HIT HARD WHEN HE HAD A CHANCE, THE MODERATORS WERE BIASED DEFENSE HIM AND KAMALA DIDN'T HAVE A RESPONSE AND TAKE UP WITH KATIE TO SAY YOU, ALEX, ON THE ECONOMY, ON INFLATION, ON BORDER. HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS AND DO YOU THINK THAT KAMALA HARRIS COMES OUT AHEAD OF TRUMP ON THAT OR NOT? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. I THOUGHT WHAT TRUMP DID WAS OKAY AND PRETTY GOOD AND CALLED HER A MARXIST AND NEXT TIME MAYBE OUT FOR IT NEVER WORKING AND IT'S A STEP FURTHER AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME I WAS ON WITH YOU, LARRY, ABOUT TRADE POLICY AND EFFECTIVE AND DOESN'T LEAD TO INFLATION UNLIKE ALL OF THE JOE BIDEN POLICIES THAT KAMALA HARRIS RUBBER STAMPED, BUT SHE WAS TERRIBLE. WOULDN'T ANSWER A SINGLE QUESTION. SHE WAS SMUG, SMIRKING AND ROLLING HER EYES AND AVOIDING ON EVERY ISSUE AND COUNTED 21 MAJOR LIES HER CHAPERON AND ABC DISNEY PROTECTED HER FROM. TRUMP GETTING PUMMELED BY THREE PEOPLE AT ONCE AND VERY PRESIDENTIAL AND TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY, AND SHE LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS REALLY NEW AT THIS. LARRY: JUNIOR TAKE ON ANY OF THIS? >> WELL, I WANT TO SAY KUDOS ON YOUR RIFF, LARRY, BECAUSE THE OLDEST CLICHE IN NEWS IS ALSO TRUE, FIRST REPORTS ARE USUALLY WRONG. AND THE FIRST REPORTS LAST NIGHT ARE THAT TRUMP LOST AND HARRY WON. OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY, I'VE BEEN SAYING NOT TRUMP'S BEST BUT GOT IN HAY MAKERS AND ANY TIME YOU'RE FOCUSING ON IMMIGRATION YOU'RE WINNING. KAMALA HARRIS BY CONTRAST WAS AT HER BEST AND FOOTBALL GAMES VERY GOOD. THIRD, THIS MATTER AS LOT, IT WAS THE WORST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN MOTT EARN HISTORY. I DO NOT BELIEVE EVEN AN INDEPENDENT OR EVEN A MODERATELY FAIR DEMOCRAT WILL CONCLUDE OTHER THAN THAT WAS AN AMBUSH AND AS THAT SETTLES IN AND THE VICE PRESIDENT DIDN'T ANSWER ONE QUESTION, NOR DID ABC, WHICH IS OWNED BY DISNEY ASK ONE QUESTION ABOUT CHINA. NOT ONE QUESTION. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THEIR THEME PARKS AND MERCHANDISING AND THE NBA AND TALKING ABOUT CHINA. NOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT IRAN. THEY DID NOT BRING UP OUR HOSTAGE THAT WAS EXECUTED ALONG WITH FIVE OTHERRED IN ISRAEL. I'M SO AMAZED WITH THE UNPROFESSIONALISM AND THE DEEPLY DISRESPECTFULNESS OF PERFORM AND PERFORMANCE BY ABC AND BY THE WEEKEND, TRUMP MAY HAVE WON THIS AND A MOVING RIVER OF OPINION THAT GATHERS MORE AND THAT'S THE BEST IT'S GOING TO B. LARRY: I'M GLAD WE'RE BASICALLY ON THE SAME BEIGE. THESE ARE SO DIFFICULT, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER AND A FEW THINGS I'D HAVE LOVED MR. TRUMP TO ADD ON AND A FEW THINGS I SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT BUT DIDN'T GET IN, THAT'S LIFE IN THE FAST LANE BUT, KATIE, I MEAN, TO HUE'S POINT, LET'S ME JUST GO BACK AND HARRIS LIED ABOUT TRUMP'S RECORD ON ABORTION. SHE SAID YOU'D SIGN A NAGS PAL BAN ON ABORTION? HE SAID HOW MANY TYPES HE OPPOSES A NATIONAL BAN. ON THE FERTILIZATION, IN VITRO FETOR VAGUES, SHE ACCUSED HIM AND LIED. THIS WHOLE 2025 STUDY OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED 6789 HE'S SAID A MILLION TIMES. THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST GORDON CHANG BADGE, IT'S NON-IS -- GARBAGE, KATIE, SHE'S THROWING IT OUT AND KNOCKING THEM BACK. HE DID WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO THANKSGIVING THERE. >> THE ABORTION QUESTION IS ONE OF THE BEST OF THE NIGHT ACTUALLY AND HE FINALLY DID WHAT REPUBLICANS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING SINCE ROE V. WADE WAS TURNED AND FLIPPING THE TABLE ON THE LEFT AND EXPLAINING HOW RADICAL THEY ARE AND OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE COUNTRY AND HE ASKED HER DO YOU SUPPORT ANY KIND OF LIMITATIONS ON ABORTION AND HELPFUL SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE A ABORTION UP TO NINE MONTHS IN ANY STATE BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE. AT LEAST FIVE PLACES IN THE UNITED STATES FASHION TO BE SEEN IN MEXICO AND OTHER STATE WHERE IS YOU CAN HAVE A ABORTION UP TO NINE MONTHS AND BACK TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE NOT ASKED BY THE MODERATORS AND GOING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THIS WAS A DEBATE WHERE THE MSNBC PRIME TIME LINEUP WOULD HAVE ASKED AND CHARLOTTESVILLE, NOT DEBUNKING THAT LIE AND THE FACT CHECK ON THAT WHEN IT'S BEEN DEBUNKED BY A NUMBER OF FAR LEFT FACT CHECKERS SO-TO-SPEAK. AND RATHER THAN CURRENT ISSUES AFFECTING PEOPLE TODAY AND QUIET FRANKLY TRYING TO HELP KAMALA HARRIS AND END UP HURTING HER IN THE LONG RUN. >> IT'S A BIT ODD AND THE ECONOMY IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE AND IMMIGRATION PERHAPS NUMBER TWO OR MAYBE CALL THEM BOTH NUMBER ONE. WHATEVER. THEY JUST ASKED ONE QUESTION ON THE ECONOMY RIGHT AT THE START, AND ACTUALLY TRUMP GOT ROLLING ON THAT. THAT'S THE WAY I SAW IT, TRUMP GOT ROLLING ON THAT AND THEN THEY STOPPED. PUT THE BRAKES ON AND STARTED GOING OFF TO ALL THESE MSNBC-TYPE QUESTION THAT KATIE'S DESCRIBING. ALEX, THAT IS ON ODDITY, IS IT NOT? >> IT IS, AND THE WORST PART OF THE DEBATE WAS HOW MUCH TIME WAS WASTED WITH THE MODERATOR DISTRACTIONS AND THE MEANINGLESS CHOICES OF TOPICS THEY CHOSE TO FOCUS ON. BUT THE BEST PART WAS THE OPENING AND THE CLOSING AND THE OPENING PART THAT SHE COULD NOT QUESTION AND IT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION AND ALL AMERICANS ARE BETTER OFF NOW THAN BEFORE AND SHE WAS ABLE TO GET IN SOME POINTS AND HIT THIS HARDER NEXT TIME AND GET IN POINTS ABOUT HOW THE ECONOMY WAS THRIVING UNDER HIM AND SHE TRIED TO LIE HER WAY OUT OF EXPLAINING WHY THERE'S BEEN NO GROWTH OR WHY THE BIDENOMICS IS WHAT IT IS, WHICH HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR HER. LARRY: TWO MORE THINGS FOR YOU. YOU'RE ALL WONDERFUL AND APPRECIATE VERY MUCH. REGARDING FOREIGN POLICIES, YOU'RE MENTIONING CHINA, WHICH NEVER CAME UP AND ALMOST TRAGIC. BUT I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT MR. TRUMP PUNCHED AWAY PRETTY GOOD ON CATASTROPHE IN AFGHANISTAN AND, HUGH, HOW THAT YOU COULD CONNECT THE DOTS FROM AFGHANISTAN CATASTROPHE INTO PUTIN RUSSIA INVADING UKRAINE. YOU'RE A FOREIGN POLICY EXPERT AMONG OTHER THINGS. DID MR. TRUMP MAKE THOSE POINT S? >> HE BEGAN TO AND WE HAD AN AGREEMENT AND CONDITION-UATIONED AGREEMENT AND MIKE POMPEO AND DOESED AND BROKE THE CONDITIONS AND NOT GOING TO WITHDRAW AND YOU DID AND IT WAS CATASTROPHIC. HE COULD HAVE GONE ONTO LA CONTROVERSY AND HE DIDN'T. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT WAS VERY GOOD. THE DIFFICULTY AND I'M A LAWYER, KAMALA HARRIS IS A LAWYER, WE'RE VERY GOOD AT SAYING NOTHING AT GREAT LENGTH. THAT'S WHAT SHE DID. DONALD TRUMP IS A DEVELOPER AND CAN SMELL A RAT IN ABOUT FIVE SECONDS AND HE KNEW THERE WAS AN AMBUSH AFTER THE SECOND QUESTION ABOUT ABORTION, AND HE GOT MAD. HE CAN'T MAD. LARRY, YOU WORKED FOR HIM, HE CAN'T GET MAD AND HE RUSHES AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. LARRY: I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT. LAST ONE, KATE PAVLICH, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SECOND DEBATE IN YOUR JUDGMENT? >> I HOPE SO. DONALD TRUMP OFFERED THREE AND SHE ACCEPTED ONE AND NOW WANTS ANOTHER ONE AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE COUNTRY IF THERE WERE DEBATE MODERATORS HOSTED ON A NOTE WORK, HOPEFULLY FOX NEWS AND ASK SUBSTANTIVE QUESTIONS THAT AMERICANS ARE INTERESTED IN TO HELP THEM MAKE THEIR DECISION BEFORE THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. LARRY: WOULD BE HELPFUL.