[Music] well you know when I was in davo Switzerland for the world economic Forum two names kept coming up the two names they were most afraid of Not Afraid in a personal sense but afraid that these people would stop their agenda this globalist rootless stateless socialist agenda technocratic um the kind of thing that would caused kir starmer uh the prime minister of the UK to say he preferred Davos to the westmin Parliament remember when starmer said that let ask you quickly you have to choose now between Davos or Westminster Davos well the enemy of Davos according to the davians these are the world economic form people was number one most obviously Donald Trump he would stop so many of their schemes and stop some of their Wars too which they love but the number two name and it was very close second was Elon Musk now Elon Musk is a great industrialist a great entrepreneur a dreamer a vision a futurist I mean my gosh the man wants to colonize Mars that's the kind of sort of crazy utopian schemes that they normally love at the world economic Forum but the fact that Elon Musk believes or at least says he believes and it seems to be true in Freedom and using Twitter to free once censored people that irritated them in a very deep way and there was a link between the two you felt it when they talked about Trump that Elon Musk was rehabilitating him and his supporters it was very interesting and so when I saw the other day that a billionaire Tech Tycoon uh paval durov born in Russia the founder of various social networks and now the CEO of a messaging app called telegram when I saw the durov when he flew into France purportedly at the invitation of the French President Emanuel macron who said hey come to Paris let's have dinner when durov landed at the airport he was arrested and charged with a whole roster of crimes allegedly being perpetrated by his social media app called Telegram and all I could think of was that is what they that is a test drive that is a dress rehearsal for the big game they would if they could and they might do that to Elon Musk himself joining us now to talk about this and so many other social media things is a man who probably knows more about economic sorry about internet Freedom rather than anyone else I've ever met someone who's been studying internet freedom and the loss of it at the hands of government and by woke entries in those corporations themselves you know who I'm talking about his name is Alan bukari he's the managing director of the foundation for freedom online and we're just so happy to have him back as a guest today Alam great to see you again great to see you Ezra do you agree with the world economic Forum delegates that I met with that after Donald Trump a close second in terms of jamming their plans is Elon Musk do you agree with them should they be worried about Elon Musk uh I can certainly see why they said that and it seems very accurate um what's really frustrating to them about Elon Musk I think because you know the the delegates at the world economic Forum have a vested interest in the thing that Global Internet censorship is trying to protect which is this global system of narrative control and corresponding political control they worry that internet freedom is going to eventually undermine their political power because it'll undermine their control over narratives and over what the public of Western countries and countries around the world believe and Elon Musk really epitomizes that and his takeover of Twitter really epitom that it um it really broke down this system of censorship that they been able to build up over the uh over the preceding uh five half decade or more and what's really frustrating to them about Elon Musk is that he's a little bit different to someone like paral Duro because you know you mentioned P Duro Duro founded the Russians version of Facebook he founded telegram these are most big big platforms with you know massive influence but Elon Musk had has many many other companies and he's kind of essential to uh to Western governments they can't just you know arrest him or or bankrupt him or get rid of him in some other some other way because you know just look recently at at at the story with the stranded astronauts so NASA had to request uh help from SpaceX because they have a couple of astronauts stranded on the International Space Station because the Boeing built spacecraft that took them there malfunctioned and can't bring them back home to Earth so SpaceX has to come into the rescue the government's increasingly depend dependent on SpaceX Rockets uh you go to Ukraine uh Ukraine uses uh uses stalling for a lot of their operations um so you know musk is kind of essential to the Western uh Western Aeros coming essential to Western Aerospace to Western internet infrastructure to Western militaries and so even though the State and the governments of the West hate him for bringing Free Speech back to the people and threatening their the the basis of their political power they also need him because he's Shoring up their their military power and he's succeeding where you know older older companies like Boeing are failing so you know on the one hand he's this massive threat to them on the other hand they still need him that is such a good point I I hadn't heard it expressed until you said it here I mean durov is an interesting personality he's sort of a brooding guy but he's he's he's an innovator of course um but he feels like sort of almost like a Lone Ranger whereas God forbid if Elon Musk were arrested I could just imagine what would happen to the price of Tesla it would plummet SpaceX neuralink all of his projects he's responsible his company alone sends more than 90% of all payloads from planet Earth into space so SpaceX the company he runs does more space work then NASA China the Russian cosmonauts all combined times 10 and he has starlink is the name of his civilian system but he has a military system and he's putting up there just as quickly I forget the name of it right now but it's it's military so you can't take him out he really is a an essential man um you know they say the the graveyards are full of Irreplaceable um men but I think that El musk might be the closest thing we have to that um you would see the New York Stock Exchange tank you would see and he and he has a lot of friends that he's made very wealthy along the way I don't think there's actually another person in history who has created more wealth for others than than he has that's a very good point so in that I'm not going to say he's Untouchable but I don't know U why do you think they went after durov this way it said you know if you look at the official rap sheet they say well you're allowing drug trafficking you're allowing human trafficking you're allowing other crimes you're not disclosing all that I suppose in a technical sense that's probably true just like cell phone companies are letting people commit crimes on the phone and you know just like um the post office lets you commit crimes if you write mean letters I mean I suppose any platform allows crimes to happen on it you don't generally charge the owner of Apple with a crime for with crime for what's done on their phones am I right that's correct and this is what liability exemptions for social media platforms and online websites are supposed to protect uh protect them from it's obviously ridiculous to say that you know a phone line is responsible for someone using the phones to commit a crime um but this really epitomizes the new relationship between governments and Tech platforms um after 2016 and right up to say 20 2021 2022 there was this extraordinary pressure that Silicon Valley really succumbed to from the deep state from their allies and the NGO media complex and you know the advertising industry which Silicon Valley is quite dependent on to force them to censor their platforms and in particular to censor the 2020 presidential election now musk taking over Twitter was uh you know the the first big crack in that system that they developed but now we're seeing more and more people in Silicon Valley coming out and saying you know we don't support you know these government demands for censorship we were even tricked by the government you had uh Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg tting the Judiciary Committee recently that um the FBI told him that the hunter Biden laptop story was uh was going to be a Russian hoax and that was obviously a complete lie so I think many in silic Valley feel that they were that they were Hoodwinked by by the Deep state and its allies that they were unduly pressured by it uh as well as the media and advertisers and so on that they were forced to do things they really didn't want to do but with the entire industry acting as one it was very easy for every company to do the same thing and engage in the same kind of censorship and I think Elon Musk uh you know was a real sign to those people in Silicon Valley those other people who had misgivings about what had gone on with censorship over the previous half decade that you know it was time to uh to roll back the censor ship to come out and say they didn't support it to come out and say they were pressured um so it's really really been a massive massively positive development and I think this coming presidential election is going to be far less censored than the 2020 election although there are still holdouts like Microsoft and Google which still have their censorship regimes in place [Music]