now before we get to our guests I want you the viewers at home to know something our team has spent days reaching out to dozens of lawmakers and Biden Advocates and allies we've had numerous interactions with the Biden Harris campaign but not a single potential guest was either able or willing to join us on today's show to defend the president and his decision to stay on the ticket so we will be having a conversation without that voice which we have been working around the clock to avoid joining me now former Ohio Democratic Congressman Tim Ryan um welcome to the show sir good to have you thank you okay so you were one of the first prominent Democrat voices to come out and say President Biden needs to think about stepping off the ticket and he needs to think about where Democrats do replacing that ticket with vice president Harris this is what the president said Friday night when he was asked about whether he's getting pressure from current Democrat leadership here on Capitol Hill if Chuck Schumer and hakee Jeff and Nancy Pelosi come down and say we worried that if you stay in the race we're going to lose the house and the Senate how will you respond i' I've go into detail with them I've speaking all of them in detail including Jim klyber every one of them they all said I should stay in the race stay in the race no one said none of the people said I should leave so he says they want him to stay in the race and short of the Lord Almighty coming down he's not leaving but we know that the House's top Democrat Congressman Hakeem Jeff is having a virtual meeting today with other Democrat leadership is there a chance he comes out and publicly says something different and would that be what it takes to nudge the president you know from what I'm hearing from Rank and file members of Congress you saw a couple come out this weekend Angie Craig who's in a a swing District up in Minnesota Minnesota is now in play I think you're going to see a significant amount of pressure uh whether it's today or tomorrow sometime this week as the members come back that that this may be untenable for them to all you know want to run under a a Biden ticket because it's going to be it's going to drag everybody else down and I think that's a major major concern for leader Jeff who's a phenomenal leader uh and but I think his members donors activists around the country are very very concerned so I think you'll see a lot more of that this week so the president was pushed Friday night repeatedly about negative numbers things that are not going well for him uh the reality of the situation and he pushed back saying he doesn't believe that data now do you get the sense that he's still being insulated by his inner circle from the reality of his situation or does he simply believe that that data those polls are not correct I you know I think it's incredible how presidents get so insulated and sometimes from reality and I think we saw that uh with the president the other night like you can't deny it and it's not just the polls I mean I'm here in Ohio like just you can't go to a coffee shop you can't go to a bar you can't go to a soccer game where people aren't talking about this uh in a negative sense and so that that reality is there and I think you know it's it's important to be loyal but part of being loyal is being honest and and I think we have to be honest to each other of just how difficult of a situation this is and Shannon I'm telling you the American people are dying for some aspiration for some inspiration for some hope some reconciliation coming together some fellowship some healing and we need a candidate that can get us to that point and that candidate uh is going to I I think do very very well in this election so the president was pressed though if he stays on the ticket and loses to president Trump about how he would feel about that here was his answer and if you stay in and Trump is elected and everything you're warning about comes to pass how will you feel in January I feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job as I know I can do that's what this is about what was your reaction to hearing that as his assessment of how he would play this thing out you know I just that that was very frustrating and I think that is what really got under the skin of a lot of members of Congress uh it it this isn't like we get participation trophies here and congratulations you did the best you could if this is a sporting event and you throw three interceptions the uh coach pulls the quarterback if you're a pitcher that's not getting the job done and they're hitting home run dingers left and right you the the manager goes in and pulls the pitcher out and that's kind of where we are right now in my estimation I think in the estimation of guys like David Axel rod and James Carville like really high functioning political strategists on the Democratic side the ones that actually helped us win over the years are saying the same thing and it's like look this this is out of love we love Joe Biden like he he accomplished so much I think reindustrialize the country in Ohio we're building chips we're building electric battery plants uh batteries building electric vehicles like we're we're the economy is being reshored jobs are being reshored for the first time in decades he did that he helped do that like we have accomplishments but that message isn't getting out because it can't get articulated and the vision that we want for America the healing the reconciliation people want to come together they're so tired of like the Vietnam era generation and the fights that we've been having basically since the Vietnam war with each other we are not each other's enemy we are each other's you know we're Patriots here to try to make America successful we're we're we're friends we're family members and we got to heal but we need a candidate that can come in and do that I particularly think kamla Harris can come in and help us help us heal but we need a candidate that can do that because the country is ready to move on from the Trump Biden all those double haters that you've talked about over the last few weeks they don't they don't like Trump they don't like Biden let's give them a candidate they can rally around so this country can heal and we can become Americans again and not just Democrats and Republicans let me ask about this because so much of the conversation we're hearing from Democrats publicly and privately is they're worried about him being unable to beat president Trump it's not the conversation that he may be unable to govern now those are two very different things New Yorker magazine has this they say this is what the 25th amendment was designed for if Joe Biden doesn't willingly resign there's another solution which would allow Democrats to unite around a new incumbent so should we be having the conversation if you think he's so ill equipped to run and win about whether he's able to govern now would you support a move on the 25th amendment I think I think it's a totally different argument because making the argument being on the campaign Trail being in a debate is much different than deliberating in private around what direction the country is going to go in on a particular foreign policy issue or domestic issue those are two separate things I think the concern now would that be a concern in two years yeah I think that's what most Americans are evaluating now they they they see the president whether at the debate or even in the interview the other day and say well I mean he could probably you know do this for another six months or so but can he do it two years from now the answer is probably no and I think that that's what people are going to vote on but when it comes to a campaign like what happened during the debate is Trump which obviously lied 27 different times he was able to you know make a make a new narrative out of the economy when he was in new narrative out of covid when he was in and the president President Biden was not able to push back and articulate why he was wrong in what direction he wants to take country it's an important part of campaigning and I would note that fact triers including the New York Times found that President Biden lied as well during the campaign and that uh debate uh Congressman we appreciate your time we'll see how this plays out thank you I'm Steve duy I'm Brian kilme and I'm Angley aart and click here to subscribe to the Fox News YouTube page to catch our hottest interviews and most compelling analysis