Trump/Kamala Debate Reaction, WTF Is Going On With Cats In Ohio?! & PIRATE IDOL Week #4

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[Music] they're eating the dogs the people that came in they're eating the cats they're eating the pets of the people that live there right away while I was watching this story I thought oh but the memes were Relentless they will get to the bottom of this I'm so convinced people really really love cats and if something happened to a cat like the internet will solve it it's like 67 million people tuned in to watch but overall a lot of the takeaways I saw were people saying KLA maybe did better uh than expected mostly standard platform slot I've said this before and I'll say it again I would love to drink with her and gossip about the people in Congress and you want a queen out with comma I'm interested what's up guys welcome back to the Pod we have in the chat special guest hosts Eid back for more back for round two say hi Eid hey and John cougan the iconic the one and only good friend of the Pod uh thank you for joining us today sir thanks for having me have anything that you want to John do you John has a great podcast um or a great sort of YouTube rather um that you should check out with the name John it's just my name John cougan on YouTube it's just the John cougan show he does incredible I think sort of unique documentaries uh in Tech that you should check out we use them ourselves when we're sort of showing off cool companies they're [ __ ] excellent he does an amazing job job and then Eid as I mentioned is just an incredible poster and uh a brilliant mine a light in this Dark World unless you have something that you want to plug I don't know what what you what oh I'm working on an agency there we go you need a TV commercial call me interesting I might I mean we gotta get these sub these we have to get the daily subscribers up my friends tell the world to subscribe to the pirate wires daily it's doing the well really well but I want want we got to grow so an hourong documentary up right now about Donald Trump it has over a million views uh and people are watching like crazy I made a I made a documentary like an hour long about Trump the full history of his career and life and then same thing with Biden and then Biden dropped out so no one's watching that one and now I have to like scramble to maybe do one about the Harris campaign which I think would be interesting because not that many people actually know her for it would be interesting I would love to see are you gonna start with San Francisco local politics yeah yeah no I I think where she was born everything yeah all the way through well we have a pack show today um coming up we have uh a few things so we've got apocalypse meow obviously we're going to talk about the Haitian cat situation and we're g to be responsible adults about it but facts will be shared and opinions will be stated um we are going to talk about the debate slop and uh and we've got a great polym Market segment coming up in which we're going to do I think it's time I don't like to just typically do um a pure horse race type thing but a lot there have been a lot of changes in the comms Trump pulling and markets that have been interesting to me and I I do want to do a recap right now especially after the debate it feels like a good time to do so uh first up let's talk about Haitian Migrants & Cats.. Where Do We Even Begin.. cats so let's see where do we even begin this this curs this cursed story is the most cursed discourse okay so Springfield Ohio has been uh a growing story a percolating sort of bubbling story for about a year now um over the last couple of months it's been I've been not that's I noticed it a couple months ago for the first time and that's when I first heard the quite shocking figure that a town of less than 60,000 people Springfield Ohio um had received around uh 20,000 Haitian migrants so that is a shocking change to the city and I had a lot of questions they were not really being parsed by the mainstream media I will say to the times credit they have covered this they covered it about a year ago I believe I'd have to go double check um but I'm pretty sure about a year ago was the first time they covered it correctly as this interesting flash point in the immigration discussion in America they responded they referred to the uh Haitian immigration to the city as the revital the revitalization of Springfield locals have mixed a mixed opinion on whether or not the town has been revitalized certainly the tax figures have gone up more taxes being collected that's always an interesting way I think to um for a leftist to analyze how a town is doing is just how much money is being made I don't know about that myself but none of that really matters because what matters is the cat meems now the background is this town is incredibly important in the immigration debate it was really a powder keg we've been seeing sort of pieces of this story for a while it was only a matter of time before a picture of a man carrying a goose that he got it in a park went viral uh alongside a Facebook post in which a woman claimed that a neighbor had her cat stolen and eaten by a Haitian migrant now right away while I was watching this story I thought oh I dug in I double clicked I saw that the entire story was coming from a Facebook post and I thought oo you in danger what is that whoopy Goldberg uh clip Molly you in danger girl he's like you in danger girl I was like no no no no no no no no don't you don't want to get too involved in this discourse because we have no idea what's actually happening out there I'm not from Springfield don't know much about the Haitian um migrant influx other than it's happening and no one wanted to talk about it on the left until today um but the memes were Relentless Matt pull up the memes [Music] we have seen really uh I mean just a really interesting use I would say of chat GPT um it's interesting I don't we're not seeing a lot of fake news with chat gbt what we are seeing is the rapid memeification of news and uh it's become an integral part of the political discourse are these quick pictures in many different contexts but the cap one was really special I mean obviously what immediately happens is uh Trump is framed as the man who saving the cats and the ducklings the kittens and the ducklings from the angry uh sort of terrifying foreign horde um it is all obviously I think we just have to be honest here there's a crazy kind of impossible to miss racist undertone to this no cats were if no cats were eaten and you were telling the story of um Haitian immigrants eating cats there I don't know how to read that in any way other than you're trying to mislead in a way that triggers our disgust impulse and use it to generalize on an entire group however um I don't think that's as important as the immigration crisis that we're not talking about I do not think that's important that's as important as the fact that a town of 60,000 received 20,000 migrants there are lines out the door of people um at the government services Center receiving welfare and food stamps okay there's a housing crisis in Springfield there's a housing crisis across the country and then um in the New York Times piece on the revitalization of Springfield they're talking about oh well no Americans wanted these jobs no Americans could afford to take these jobs that's the only they're Americans don't have an aversion to working working class Americans it's like they have to pay rent the rent is incredibly high and if the wages are low the only people willing to do that are new migrants to the country usually illegal migrants willing to to basically live 10 to a house in a way that's way better than Haiti and so here they come whatever it's a job and we'll just pack ourselves in and we'll take the low the low wages and that's that now I sound like Bernie Sanders but that's where the left used to sound and suddenly they don't care about things like the working class I do think what's happening um I think that uh it's worth noting that the town denies any cats were ever eaten um or they ever heard about that the police department I believe it was a police officer just today I was reading uh the police department saying there there actually have been quite a few reports of geese being eaten in the park or killed in the park and taken home to be eaten but they didn't believe that was really true it seemed racist um and unfortunate that anyone would suggest such a thing I mean we have seen pictures I don't my honest sense is I don't think the cat thing happened Chris rufo put out a bounty if you have evidence that a cat has been eaten you can give it to him and you will get $5,000 but I do think a few geese have gotten whacked in the state of Ohio at least a few um the high level thing here is just uh there's an immigration crisis it does matter we do have to talk about it and now because of this meme we are it's complicated it's fraught where are you guys standing on this have you seen don't with cats the documentary I think it's on Netflix no one of the most insane documentaries basically there's uh some video that someone puts up of this person they're like torturing this cat and basically like the cat Community online goes insane and is tracing like oh this power outlet means that it must be in this city and they go like total you know the guy who can like geog off of like oh I I see the background I know that this is this city and this country like the cat Community will discover if this is real or not they will get to the bottom of this I'm so convinced that that like people really really love cats and if something something happened to a cat like the internet will solve it and the fact that there hasn't been any evidence that's been that's come up maybe we just need to give it time but I'm very skeptical and then if he's a dog I think if you if you kill my dog like I'm going John Wick mode it's over and and so and so if if a dog was killed and we don't see evidence of someone going John Wick mode I'm skeptical that a dog was killed yeah I agree with that I think it's where I want to just add also to the recap everyone shared so that I also draw a distinction between starting the lie if it was a lie and sharing the cat memes which I think on some level are just objectively funny the problem is is maybe what they do to a group of people I'm which I think is pretty gross if it's not true um and uh we have I mean there's a whole long list it's like Don Jr obviously Eli musk was in there um Donald Trump himself uh well Ted Cruz there were two different Republican Congressman that I saw online um JD Vance on Twitter not only shared the memes and joked about it and he actually said that he's been receiving calls of pets being um eaten in Ohio for a long time he I mean he straight up I mean he just was like no no we're driving this ship for and Donald Trump of course this is the important last important Point here he brought it up in the debate which we're going to talk about longer a little bit later with just I mean what is objectively an iconic it is now an instantly iconic line Matt play please play the clip in Springfield they're eating the dogs the people that came in they're eating the cats they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there and this is what's happening in our country and it's a shame and that is that John you you isn't it crazy how much of our political discourse has been driven by people eating different animals like the co thing was all like bats and Penguins and then the RFK thing he was gonna eat a bear I guess or something that and where did he get you got the just dumped it in the park no I I mean I he ran he there was roadkill that was a bear and he dumped it in the park but I think that there was a quote of him being like I thought I could maybe eat it and I picked up the bear and put him in the back of my F because I was going to skin the bear and it was very good condition and I was going to and put the meat in my refrigerat and you can do that in New York state you can get a bear tag for a road kill bear it makes sense brain warm there's something about like you know we're having a big cultural discussion over like what can and can't you eat like and years before it was like the shark fin soup doing a lot of it was conservation based but now it's devolved into just like what is weird to eat or not well I think that eating someone's pet is not only it's like horrifying theft yeah it's theft as well as well as animal CW and then the geese thing I think that's illegal if it's h again if it's if it's happening if it and I don't have any evidence personally that any cats have been harmed in the making of these memes I understand the goose thing a little bit more at least they like look kind of delicious yeah I agree I've thought about the geese eat people eat Haiti I have thought about eating geese I I I mean I've had doc like but Canadian geese specifically in the Parks which are I think a cons it's like there's some agreement with Canada it's a migratory bird thing I don't know it's also just weird to eat animals in a park like there's like hunting but that's maybe us that's our culture we were it's like we're this very I mean you think they just like you think these uh these immigrants just like Listen to Too Much Joe Rogan and they were like we got to get out there and do some bow hunting like got to return they're doing the return meme well we're returning to something I I don't know if we want to go all the way back I mean we want to go maybe some some things we want to turn back to turn back to the hunter gatherer era I don't know about that H personally I'm not ready that's what people were talking about so on top of this um the the pet eating you there's this instance of an 11 year-old boy dying um which people you know people online were saying they you know he was murdered um by a Haitian immigrant uh the actual story is that a Haitian immigrant um got into a car accident with a school bus uh and it is still tied to the reality uh I mean he did get charged with um like man involuntary manslaughter but they're they are asking for $25 million and for Highway Patrol to come help local police because none of these people really understand American driving laws and they are getting into accidents and things are less safe and they need reinforcement for it I have a question about that how are you getting your license if you don't understand American are you do are you do even have a license like why is there a separate set of rules for people who came here for from a different from a different country you do have to follow and again I actually I've looked into this a bit and and most of the people in Springfield are just there to work right like you have a lot of people in factory jobs they are working but you have when you in when you in in sort of move in 20,000 people from a different country that is war torn and [ __ ] and culturally not anything like what we want to be in America it is nothing like we are in America and nothing like we want to be in America you have to expect that there is there are going to be extreme differences and there's going to be certainly a minority probably a large minority that's just not jiving and not fitting in and they should have to fit in you should have to become like America and one of those things is like learn how to drive this is not just what we're saying also these are this is we have reports of this that have predated the catem The Great Cat memeification of the election of 2024 uh you have Non-Stop videos being released from uh locals in Springfield talking about this uh and I would finally add it's not I don't believe it's it's not so I said racism earlier it's it's more like it's culturalism you have black Americans in Springfield right they are not Haitians there is no similarity in culture between Haitians and black Americans and um and you have plenty of black Americans living in Springfield who are pissed about this one of them going wildly viral because he was talking about the duck thing um which one of the congressmen quoted um yeah so I think it's a little it's just more complicated obviously I mean you're 100% right it is just like such a complicated thing and so I feel like we haven't we haven't like had this discussion of like like when there's a crisis nearby there's going to be migrant flows like how do those Cascade through like how do we decide that 100,000 is the right number to take in and then 20,000 went to a single City like is that the right thing like it kind of makes sense to Cluster people around their friends and families but then maybe taking a more diffuse approach and spreading people out over the country and you know ingratiating people in smaller numbers might be better and and then also just the question of like should we have done more to prevent the instability in Haiti like they had this massive earthquake 7.7 on the RoR scale in 2010 it killed a quarter million people a million people became homeless like we saw that happen it was on the news we could have predicted that this was going to be more chaos politically then there was another earthquake in I think 2021 that was super destabilizing less people died but it was still really bad then the president got assassinated which is insane well had has always sucked hi has sucked since they genocided the French it's always been a a bad place to be yeah but the question is like like what is there is going to be a negative externality to that chaos what is our role in preventing that NE negative externality like like right now there's a un plan to send Kenyan militant like milit the Kenyan military or police Force into the country to like fight the gangs and like basically do regime change to turn it from an anarchic like gang State into something that more resembles why is I didn't why is Kenya involved who asked Kenya who called up Kenya the America's paying for it but I think America crazy we call Kenya we're like yo you want in it's yours if you want the bus tickets like go on I it more like the UN called us and we like hey do you want to pay for this and and Kenya do you want to go handle this and Kenya was like yeah we'll go handle it and America was like yeah we'll pay for it that's so strange does Kenya have we called Kenya before in such a way I don't know but but but it but it is interesting and it's like should we have done that earlier is this the right model to like if you have an anarchic State on your border like if Canada like take the race thing out of entire like if Canada was like you know Justin Trudeau gets assassinated and there's just like absolute chaos and like gangs are running the country now it's like there's going to be a lot of flows there's going to be a lot of chaos there's going to be a lot of like weapons dealing like right now there's like a massive flow of of guns from Miami to to Haiti you can buy a gun at a gun show for 500 bucks in these states send it to Haiti and sell it for like $10,000 because that's like what the gangs are willing to pay so there's like this huge economic Arbitrage opportunity tons of tons of like little minor crimes going on all over the place because it's just like War torn essentially and the question is like like they have autonomy that's a different country like does at what point do we just say no America's going in and stabilizing this like we only will respect you if you have elections regularly or something like that like like when do we do regime change America's been very burnt by the Middle East but the Middle East all that chaos like when we pulled out like it didn't really flow to our border because it's very far away yeah I agree I think that it's got to be a part of the strategy is just keeping these places from setting into madness it's just hard yeah um you take South America for example I mean this is a whole continent that seems to love communist revolutions and it's not it's just culturally different and um it's different enough and they've been taught enough like you've seen the evidence of what communism brings to your country enough at this point that at some point it's like okay well it's if you just kind of keep doing it I don't I don't know how you fix that really yeah the learning curve isn't there I or they just don't want it it's like I don't again I think it's we we're in this weird place where we kind of have to acknowledge we're told that you know in the context of immigration all cultures are both different and don't exist right they're different because they're special and great and differences are amazing but they don't exist because integration isn't even a problem we're all the same fundamentally and that one of these things is not true obviously and I think the one that's not true is that we're not different I think cultures are obviously different you see this with the way that obviously Americans have had a much easier time integrating South American Immigration than Europeans have had with Islamic immigration that's you have a difference our religion is the same or similar our language is similar um there are our history is similar there are things that make it easier to integrate and um and in the question of Haiti it's like when you move 20 ,000 Haitians to a town of less than 60,000 does that does that town become more like Haiti and I think it has to right now because there hasn't been integration it has to become more like Haiti because how do you become not Haitian if you just came from there you were raised there that's your culture and so there is this slow process of integration that has always happened in America with immigration and we're we're I don't know we're forced to sort of pretend that that doesn't that that's not a reality of there's also this there's also this very very weird like kind of like Doomer aspect to it where like obviously like the crisis in Haiti is like a massive tragedy and it and it's very rational if like if if your hometown in America was just like oh yeah they just assassinated the government like now gangs are you're out people people say this like oh if Trump gets elected I'm moving to Canada right like this is an American thing and if and of course they don't actually do it but if if like you know Biden got assassinated and then Trump got in and he got assassinated and then all of a sudden there were just gangs everywhere in America and like it was just complete chaos people really would leave they really would but the question is like should you want to go back at some point because it doesn't feel like at any part of this conversation is like okay yes like like we're being a sanctuary City we are saving people from you know the abject poverty and violence but long term we'd love to make Haiti great again where is that plan and what and what is it is it is it boots on the ground is it the Kenyan military is it just a bunch of Aid is it rebuilding roads like is halberton gonna be involved somehow I don't know but like like it seems like that should be the goal not just okay let's just like absorb all the Haitian population and then we just have this like empty country that's just like run by gangs like that doesn't that seems like an un seems like an underutilized resource like a prison what if we just turn Haiti if I would I'd be willing to talk I would I'd be willing to entertain Haiti as like the new Australia actually and we just well did you know that uh the Dominican Republic is building a wall they better I mean it's they're building they're building massive massive wall right now and I bet it's not controversial I don't think there's a single Dominican who's like no you better not we have to let they we have to let the gang Lords in I wonder I wonder how how that like discussion will play out wonder if it will turn into something like oh like the Dominicans are you know being really bad and they're like subjugating this population no of luxury beliefs they yeah when you're when when you're staring down the barrel of a gun you're not you're not having these conversations I know you researched this one um I want to give you a chance to tell us what you learned I mean we covered everything in the in the past 15 minutes I was going to talk about the car crashes to I thought that was an interesting and under discussed part of the story what if there are a lot of they're actually happening yeah I mean so they I I was looking through it's very difficult actually to research what the truth is right now online because the reaction is so vociferous and aggressive from the MSM if you just search for Haitian Springfield you'll mostly get fact checks about Trump and you never really get too much ground truth but I did find on a local news site um they went inter interviewed people from Springfield and one of them said um the Haitian Community is here they're going to be here they're going to start businesses here but we do have an issue with we do have an issue with the driving um so this has been a seems like it's been a problem for a while and um just to shore up your points Eid the uh the guy that killed that kid who crashed into a school bus he did not have a driver's license but he had one from Mexico for some reason so I don't know if he immigrated here yeah I'm not worried about that is a technology problem there'll be a technology sols they won't crash anymore problem John a question you brought up that I thought was interesting um was should we be allowing people to move from one you know from one place in droves to this like a single location like assimilation requires social pressure and once you hit velocity you know this like group of or you you have enough momentum with this group of people does assimilation really occur in the way we need it to um like certainly not in Dearborn right yeah it's like uh like every year there's like exchange students that come like we had a German student that came to our our you know high school but it's like one per college per High School class it's not like send all the German students to one high school and then and and just like overwhelm it's like it's very diffused across the population and everyone gets a little bit of you know a taste of the foreign exchange students and the foreign exchange students get to see all sorts of parts of America and it's very like Blended across the entire country but I I I don't I I really want to know more about like about like you know is there some is there a borders are right now like we know that it's not comma right but never has been she never know just like but I me jokes like is there a person who memo or like how should we steer this should we create a little economic incentive for them to go all to one place is there a place that needs them is is there a city that raised their hands like if China invades Taiwan there's going to be a 100,000 Taiwanese that want to come to America and we're going to want the tsmc folks to come here and there are lots of cities that are like no no no please come here like we want to manufacture the chips like bring all of them to this city I want this in my like there will be economic incentives to bring taiw the Haitians are not building chips and it's a slightly different conversation I think it's worth asking those questions though like what are we getting as a society and there are just differences between different immigrant groups and Taiwan is a great example I agree like it's a very obvious win for America and this feels more like charity that comes with a lot of conf at this point it's like very confusing to talk about because it's not I I don't I mean there's like cat eating the interesting thing about the cat eating meme is this um no one was talking about this until the cat meme the meme of Haitians eating cats and it is a meme now and it's now being counter memed um it's somehow both makes the problem visible for the first time right there was a lot of effort by the media to suppress the story of Springfield completely the fact that this happened um so it makes it impossible to ignore now like you see it or impossible not see it's visible but at the same time it obscures you from really grappling with it or silences you from talking about it it both like it like unblind you but mutes you and that's where we are now where because it's so fraught you can't ask questions like for example about the faith of Haitians everyone's like oh they're Christian okay well I'm reading a lot about Voodoo right now and you know where I'm reading it from The New York Times which wrote about the high incidence of voodoo in that Community like what goes into vood what is it they have a whole long article from 2010 um that I stumbled upon this morning sort of arguing for the softer side of voodoo like myths obscure V Voodoo source of comfort in Haiti is the title of this piece by the way please go Google it if you want the Steelman for more Voodoo In America which I'm a spooky guy love New Orleans um maybe that's a net benefit for America to be dabbling more in Satan worship and I don't know the sacrifice all animal they're just returning to tradition we're going back I'm not gonna sit here and pretend saying we oh we need to go back we need to go back and then all of a sudden some people show up and they go want to go back and all of a sudden we have a problem with it I don't get it but here I do think this is I just want to predict the next media cycle the way this is going to go the voodoo thing is gonna come up you heard it here folks voodoo's gonna enter the voodo is about to enter the chat and um Pro possibly via the cat sacrifice itself but maybe some other context but the religion of Haiti will be questioned um and you are going to see an avalanche of pieces arguing about the uh sort of inherent racism of questioning the faith of the faith of voodoo which will be sort of formed ad hoc immediately you're going to have vodoo Scholars on MSNBC you're going to have persecuted Voodoo experts saying like Voodoo is a religion of Peace um Voodoo is a Rel is really just another version of Christianity and I think it is related to Christianity there is like uh it's like Christians are practicing voodo in Haiti Haitians are generally Christian um but I think that's what's coming next and that's just why I mean we can't talk we we are sort of incapable of having a real nuanced conversation like uh we need to have on the question of well actually I don't know what are Haitians like and do we want a lot more Haitians in the country I mean how many is too many is there too many is if if it was possible to have not just not just 20,000 but a third of the country behan um how would the country change questions like that I think are valid and in fact the country always changes with immigration is the other thing we say immigration is our strength the country has changed dramatically over immigration we always talk about that we talk about um obviously Jewish immigration during World War II we talk about scientific innovation and what that did for us uh we talk about the early immigration of the Germans obviously and the WASP we talk about the Catholic immigration all throughout the 20th century um we talk about that and it's I think that there's ever just anet I don't believe in good or bad I think that things just change and um probably there yeah this is Tyler C's Point like if you're going to make an argument about immigration like you better give me a cost benefit analysis I don't want to just hear some emotional like oh I don't like this type of person I like that type of person it's like no let's actually talk about like what's the benefit like what what's what's unemployment like right now what is unemployment in certain sectors like clearly there's very very low unemployment in chip fabrication and so everyone's on board with bringing on chip Fabricators into the country right and and so like but but again it goes back to like who is the borders are who's the one that's doing the cost benefit analysis on this stuff because like sure they might come up with a different analysis than what anyone else might but at least like I at least want to know that someone did the analysis and we're going to like understand what that analysis was and then we can evaluate and learn from that decision instead of just like oh this just happened because no one was paying attention and no one cares I also think though that the the emotional reaction to just having your town change at all you could have taken 20,000 people from any other country in the world and no one there would have been happy with that because you're if you take it doesn't matter what the culture is we don't know that like it's totally possible we 100% do know that if suddenly overnight a town of less than 60,000 had 20,000 people from another country in their Town permanently I mean what if they voted for it what if there was what if there was like a tell you what you go the vote look at the vote we'll look at the results of the vote and once we do that we can have an honest conversation about this okay but but theoretically I think that an American Town should be able to vote for that should be able to say you know what there's this crisis and and we want to do this and this is and this is you know we are democratically choosing to do this well everything's being seen through the lens of like who is the most in need or hurt it's like slave morality right um so it's not you know do these people like share my values I want them in charge it's you know I like we're bad like they needed they're good yeah well it's just very anti-hy the country you know it's like it's like we we America it will do everything to bring the the the population here but nothing not the population it's I mean I'm I'm I'm assuming the very best and brightest of Haiti I'm I'm assuming it's like the people who don't want to be living in certainly the most industrious a war torn hellhole and they somehow are able to get off of an island and get here so that is in my opinion good that's something we have some hurdles in place that have proven that we were getting you know some great Haitians but uh hadi's losing them and as the population dwindles and all you have left are the worst scariest people there um I don't know that's a [ __ ] scary place to be and I'm glad I'm not there and I don't want to ever be there let's talk about the debate um Riley why don't you Trump/Harris Debate Reaction breakdown I mean I I guess I'll just say I mean we we've been waiting for a while for this didn't think it was going to happen uh there was a question about miking obviously Biden wanted the mics to be cut if Trump tried to interrupt what happened was Trump flourished under that system kamla then tried to reverse it and go back to the uh previous sort of situation in which you could interrupt that didn't happen she didn't get what she wanted she did get a couple of uh factchecking moderators who clearly were in the bag for her and we had a debate we had a we had ourselves a fight what did you think yeah so after much debate like you alluded to about the rules of the debate Trump and kamla uh finally squared off where I think it was like 67 million people uh tuned in to watch which I guess was significantly higher uh than the previous Trump Biden debate um i' had have taken the daily like you mentioned talking about kamla's push for the hot mics uh to be on at all times that Trump could interrupt her she could drop that I'm speaking line and it would be like a nice like Yas Queen moment um as it would turn out Trump would end up being the girl boss though because uh on at least one occasion he responded to a comma Interruption with like I'm talking now uh he even at one point hit her with like the quiet which he famously did a JB back in 2016 um but as for other highlights you of course had Trump the aforementioned uh Springfield Haitian pet story where he said quote they're eating the dogs they're eating the cats they're eating the pets of the people who live there um a lot like you said was mentioned about the moderator sort of doing those like live fact checks during the debate um which they did for Trump on more than one occasion including um after his abortion comments and after those Springfield comments um but yet they didn't do any of those for KLA despite um comments from her like repeating the uh very fine people lie which is been debunked like a million times at this point um you had KLA sort of baiting Trump on occasion she pivoted from a question about like the border to sort of like goting Trump about people leaving his rallies early uh which he then spent some time talking about instead of talking about border security like a strong issue for him um but overall a lot of the takeaways I saw were people saying KLA maybe did better uh than expected at least much better than uh Biden who was busy living his best life putting on Maga hats and saying he was going to quotee do 911 I'm going up to my granddaughter's birthday in New York then we're going to watch a debate and then tomorrow I'm doing [Music] 911 miss that guy um but overall it was a mostly standard platform slop which you alluded to um in the da as well salana um all of which was maybe slightly overshadowed um afterwards by the endorsement of one uh Swift a cat lady who struck with a Vengeance um I do think for the debate really the expectation for kamla was be better than a corpse that that was the goal and the goal for Trump or the expectation for Trump I guess was to be a different candidate like for for the Press like if if he suddenly came in there and was just a different guy completely um and he failed at that and she succeeded he failed at his and she succeeded at hers I think that she was Charming I think that she doesn't like I think she's a Charming person generally like she seems very fun to me I have said this before and I'll say it again I would love to drink with her and gossip about the people in Congress and you want to Queen out with kamla I'm interested I'm interested I actually thought the way she shook his hand the very first thing that happened was she shook his hand and that's actually really a huge gesture that there have been no handshakes for many years I think it's ironic that she's sort of concurrently um trying to put him in prison but I do think it looked really good and she looked really good for doing it I think that she did a fine job I think that her points were all slop [ __ ] um you could have had I think one of you I think said it it might have been Stuart maybe it was Ur Riley you could have trained an AI on both of their Twitter feeds and gotten nothing different um there were some highlights some fun highlights but in general we learned just absolutely nothing everyone declared Victory and it didn't really matter I think I I mean I thought Trump basically lost it on the first question in my opinion because the the the very first question of the debate was it was for kamla but it was framed in this way that said you know Trump's whole pitch is asking the question are you better off than you were four years ago and so the moderator asks Kamala very directly do you think the average American is better or worse off than 4 years ago it's like a very very literal like yes or no plus or minus question and she completely Dodges it and goes into oh well like I grew up middle class and I'm going to do the opportunity economy and then take some shots at Trump and instead of just sticking to that question and saying who who she didn't answer the question like we need to get her to answer this question this is the foundation of my entire pitch and my entire campaign is are you better off four years ago I I'm not answering any questions in this debate until she answers this one he just goes off and just starts rambling and just just does like you know like he always does and and I just thought that was just so I mean it was frustrating to you know politicians not answering questions that's nothing new but it was frustrating that like he and his team didn't think it through to say wait maybe the move here is to actually try and hold her to account even though he famously has never been one to be held to account but I I was just immediately as soon as I turned it on I was like oh this is going to be a nightmare to listen to I think her big weakness I think you're on to something I would have loved to see a hammering of her on just every position that she has changed since 2019 because these are not small change I'm actually down for a changed opinion but you have to tell me why you have to be like I thought this I I thought that we should fund the police in 2019 um in 2020 and I gave actual riers money encouraged other people to do so um I was totally wrong the crime situation in this country is out of control it was a fun experiment while it lasted but we need Law and Order I apologize she's not doing that she's just changing these it's like everything immigration crime uh the writing of 2020 what was the one that you said fracking fracking is a huge one obviously in Pennsylvania gun ownership she wanted BuyBacks uh what about what about here's a good one what about sex change operations for a legal immigrants what about sex change operations for illegal immigrants that's crazy that's C that real I thought that was just like a trump meme no that's real that is real it's been fact check so the fact checks have been fact checked the what was it one of them wrote it was Time Magazine wrote a fact check of that that they had to correct because she in fact did support sex change government funded sex chain operations for illegal immigrants she was asked this she answered in the affirmative she followed up she made it very clear that she really really really wanted to make sure that these illegal immigrants were getting sex changes okay [ __ ] B like also like what side of that like are you mad about like which side which side should you be I don't know that's a whole other conversation but the point is I want to see your talk about that and Trump had this really great opportunity he yes he's changed right I mean he used to be a Clinton supporter that's how much he's changed but he has not changed for the last really eight years years I mean what are the real meaningful ways that he's that he's changed I I don't really see that um everyone changes some positions I don't think I've ever seen it John Kerrey famously was called a flip-flopper for a couple of things I've never seen a candidate pivot pivot is not really the word here these are we're talking about she is the oppos she is taking opposite positions of what she took just a few years ago uh one of them came up in the debate on the gun ownership where she was like how dare you spread these lies that I want BuyBacks I'm a gun owner I'll never take your guns and it's like I mean there are endless clips of her saying I will do mandatory buyback this it wasn't like when she was some radical college student doing her communist thesis or whatever the [ __ ] Barack Obama was doing back then in the day when he was being mentored by a literal terrorist bill SS he's had a lot of years to evolve okay kamla was doing this three years ago come on ask the questions um and he couldn't do that but I again I I don't expect much from debates right like debates always kind of when's the last debate that there's been one debate that has mattered and we just saw it and I don't think I think asking for two debates that matter in a single election uh when there hasn't been a debate that's mattered for the last 30 years is maybe being a bit greedy yeah I agree with that and I I I guess my sort of hot take and I'd be curious to know what you guys think about this I think the t-swift endorsement afterwards much bigger needle mover than anything KLA said at the debate like I I saw a post- debate poll that said voters trust Trump on the economy more after the debate which he supposed did bad at uh than they did before so like while yes KLA had some good like scripted lines I think Taylor Swift if her comments lead to even like a small marginal increase in her millions of fans registering to vote I think that's so much more impactful yeah and I think the like Trump supporters are really letting their ass hang out on this one just ignore it don't engage with that don't be mad at her don't attack people for listening to her do not I mean Elon I think I'm pretty sure Elon technically suggested offer offered to impregnate her like I would just personally I would just personally stay out of it like I would just personally not touch it I mean she she had already endorsed Biden like this wasn't a surprise know obviously you're gonna endorse the next candidate it's just that she waited to drop it till like a pretty good moment but very odd which I believe Riley maybe you someone said this to me but that was a great that was a great that was really smart oh yeah totally and she held the cat like fight yeah fighting back at the cat and stuff like Lulu had a great yeah breakdown Lulu had a great Thread about the Taylor Swift endorsement and why it was so smart yeah from a PR perspective which of course is all Taylor cares about and that uh and she's great at it I mean she is like really I don't even know she's like what is a great she's like yeah I don't know the I'm try they have a good apex predator what kind of animal is she well a snake I was there for the Redemption era which under um I have a hot take about debates generally I I think that it's more valuable to go back and watch the previous debates than the current debates because you can actually see with the clarity of four years like what they said and then what they did and whether or not they were right or wrong on those issues like going back and watching I mean it's it's very interesting because I watched the the kamla uh Mike Pence debate and in that that was where the I'm speaking came from but if you actually watch that clip she was going over time and the moderator was telling her that she needed to wrap up and and then and then Pence says like look I I really got a response she's like said a bunch of things like can I can I please go like moderator can you do something and then the moderator says another thing like you really need to stop and then she and then she looks at Pence and says I'm speaking and then the moderator says 15 more seconds and I remember the audience cheering at that point oh yeah yeah know she played it really his ass let's fism yeah but but but uh Pence I mean and the funniest thing is that Pence is like he's not like that that line it feels like something that was directed to Trump like oh she was she was being talked over but Pence literally at the start of the question he's sitting there taking notes like writing things down which like Trump very like husband and wife there like taking diligent not it's being like okay like I need to fact check this and I need to do this and it's like this guy's not like some aggressive debater like he's like very much like okay I I know how I'll rebut that and and then she like you know takes the opportunity as soon as he chimes in even though the moderator had already said something she gets the quote which is really smart really really really really really high quot I'm gonna pull that on one of you guys if you interrupt me during this I'm I just want to talk so someone interrupts me yeah she did too she was sitting on it all night and she got her chance yeah I I it it seemed very strategic like if you go over time there's a chance that they will speak over you there's this male female Dynamic you can kind of go him into saying something as you're going over time and then you can clap back and that will be powerful did you guys think it was weird at all oh you could say I'm speaking to me yeah did you think it was weird at all though that austerity politics were completely left out I thought that you know spending should have at least some place we talked about like inflation a little bit what are they going to say they both agree we should spend ourselves to death they both want to spend us into the apocalypse so what theye they agree on they agree on everything they agree on everything now they agree on everything it's the worst election to be anti-gun anti fracking anti-israel anti-immigration both candidates apparently are anti all those things I think they do disagree on or Pro all those things on like the like trans culture War stuff but if you press KLA I don't what her answers would be today she might just be ready to throw she might be ready to throw the Trans Bus the the trans Lobby under the bus at this drive it over she'll she has done that to everything else but I would say had she gone after Trump hard on immigration actually for real like this is like that she's not really committing to the bit for me if if she had said I really am so I was wrong this is a disaster that b it wasn't me it was Biden and let me explain to you what he did I told him the whole I said Joe you got to do something but that man has dementia you saw him debate like it's [ __ ] insane what I was putting up with in that white house trying my best then she just accurately says you know he hid me away for years they didn't want me speaking refused to let me out here so I could tell you what was going on we have she's like it's crazy out there I've been there they're they're letting in rapist murders and guess what Donald Trump you didn't build the wall and you should have and I am G to the wall and I'm G to make Mexico pay for it I'd be like [ __ ] I mean maybe maybe in the campaign office he's gonna win this for the Dems see it because I don't believe I don't believe either I mean they're both come on it's like the age of it's like the age of clown it's just this is what politics is now yeah I mean to to your point about austerity politics I went I also went back and watched the 2016 Trump Hillary debate and it was very interesting because Hillary is saying like her economic plan will not increase the deficit whatsoever and and and then she and then she says like and look I've turned my website into a fact Checker to check all of like Donald Trump's lies and that just seems so ridiculous to me because like the I feel like there hasn't been a single day when the deficit went down like the deficit just goes up every day no matter what like the best thing we could hope for is a candidate who like increases it at a slightly less rate because it's going up was also just interesting that no one even believes No One Believes fact checks anymore so you would never even say that they just lie they both lie constantly on stage the whole time like that's there's not a day that goes by where they don't lie uh speaking of but on the debate I I do want to do um I do want to introduce The Latest Update On The Election Polls - Brought To You By Polymarket uh the poly Market segment this is our thank you top Market our uh paid partner they are a huge supporter of us is is why we get to do a lot of the cool stuff we do like talk about Haitian Voodoo cats and uh I don't know whatever the [ __ ] happened at this last debate and uh probably I mean sex change operations for immigrants I don't know if Shane wants me to talk about all of that we never really got into it but if I asked him to run a market on it he might let's look though on I want to do a a standard I want to do I want to take a look at where just these candidates are today there's no better time to do it than after the debate and um here we go here's what we're looking at today on the morning of the debate K's odds of winning the presidential election stood at 45% following the debate her odds climbed to 50% narrowly surpassing Trump who uh now stands at 49% while this surge is encouraging for Harris a broader look over the past month reveals a downward trend from her peak of 54% so just very quickly I was actually during the debate I was at a work event and people were all very key into the fact that commis surged following this uh on the on the markets which was shocking to see and the very next morning I noticed that she was already losing again um but I think she's winning again at this point it appears Harris's overall election odds have improved after getting 3 to 5% in most of the Swing States the one swing state where she has struggled to make any progress is Ohio home to Springfield which remains 91% in favor of trump showing no loss of momentum following the debate uh which is actually that's really interesting presumably if you had some sort of horrible lie about what was happening in Spring field they would care but JD JD's also the senator there so well senator of Ohio right y I mean I don't know how close he was to well certainly they you're right that's a good point um many on right-wing Twitter have urged Trump to visit Springfield and seize on the immigration stories but as of now the odds of that visit happening are only 9% on poly market so at this point I guess uh it does look like KLA is winning again at 50% but there's been a back and forth It's been it's been we it was it's weird that it it it's been bouncing back and forth after the Taylor Swift endorsement after the election obviously she was winning but again I woke up the next day she was not now she is again um the time of this release which is just it'll be like what 12 hours from now um about a little less than 24 we'll see what happens um I don't know I don't know what to make of it at this point it seems like again I think it's an interesting that it's it's been an overall loss of momentum still she's still significantly down from her entrance into this uh competition but that was her last moment I don't think there's going to be another debate so the rest of it is just going to be I don't know the slow decay of both of their of their stories over time and then whatever the hell happens in October because you know something crazy is about to happen I wonder if the pro-israel SL maybe I should call it anti Hamas comments lost her Michigan interesting could definitely and it will be interesting to track I saw one that was interesting on uh Muslim support for both candidates and it wasn't it did not add up to 100% it was like both sub 20% and I was like who are they voting for I didn't double click did anybody see that no but on there Jill Stein yeah they're all green party they're like yes we want a caliphate and renewable Technology renable Energy those were two isy voters no we want we want to califate and we're willing to put up with green energy I think that's the that's the framing yeah definitely yeah but there are some conflicts there do you think a second not on board for the trans the the trans immigrants they're not do you think a second debate's gonna happen did you see Trump on Fox how he was talking about oh I don't want to do it you know I saw him shake her hand today uh or yesterday at the September 11th thing and he said good job yesterday which was interesting to me but does that say that he's well he like you know what I really thought at the top of that debate the very first few moments I thought I think he's thinking she's kind of hot and I think he was a little like she shook his hand and he was like I don't know what to [ __ ] do with that and I think that she I really do believe that he looked at her and she is kind of hot like you have I think you need to be objective about this there's something kind of hot about her it's the way she moves and talks and she [ __ ] rattled him and uh I think he's still thinking about her and when I saw him shake her hand and be like you did a good job I he's still rattled he is it's not like he's not rattled about her he's he doesn't know what to do with her right now and um and so he said good job uh does that mean he wants another debate I don't think so I think that um do you think he should do another debate I think he'll give it a couple weeks and and he'll see how he's doing in the polls and if he's got an edge there's no reason to debate and he won't there's the VP debate on October 1 yeah okay wonder if that's gonna that'll be interesting it'll be we another thing we've never seen is a VT a VP debate that mattered so maybe this will be an historic year where we get one of those as well we'll see yeah I I I definitely think it's in Trump's favor to do another debate because it seems like you know it was his first time debating her he was a little bit off of his game she was pretty good but over time there's like a mean reversion and he just needs like to find a couple more openings find some uh like you know clippable moments yeah I mean she aimed so Center on some of the stuff it was hard for him to disagree with her in the way that he normally does and the the types of lying you that's like going on during these debates is so different like Trump has his like super self-aggrandizing um the biggest audience that's ever seen me and they stay the longest and yeah like just Brazen yeah and her lives are much more organized and so it they you it really just depends on someone to ask themselves like do I believe this person yeah when he when he called into Fox he was like I have 14 polls that show that I won the debate and fox is like our poll showed that you lost the debate yeah which polls Donald where are you getting these polls he can't stop triggering TDS I think that's the he his team should be like don't trigger TDS you know like because you could he could stop triggering TDS true like he has a specific way of triggering it and it's by the self-aggrandizing law also the the cat thing when when he knew going into that that it was going to be fact checked he what did Eric from our team said he's like he walked right into that fact check happily he said they're they're eating your dogs the people who are coming here they're eating your cats they're eating the pets of the people that's like that that is designed to blow someone's lid and I mean Mission I really think he just like he does this intentionally like the the good people on both sides the bloodbath the dictator on day one he figures out how to create these stories that will trigger TDS make people go crazy but then if you dig down into the fact check you can see that like oh okay it was a little more nuanced and the media took it out of context and that can work really well to like yeah for the true fans because they're like oh well this is evidence of they they're saying he said something crazier than he did and I I saw the full clip and it's not that crazy but at the same time it's like if you're on the edge like you are going to push more people away with that type of rhetoric because it's designed to kind of trigger people I just don't know who's still UND decided it's we've we've seen these people we've they've been around since 2015 right like I I don't know like the there's like no one knew what commulist policies were and and I think people still don't know you know she like she said that she owns a gun is she proun and and then will she be Pro gun in 3 years if they win the majority of the House and Senate like you know it's like there's there's a really wide gap between like okay she's like scoring some political points but like will she actually Advance my agenda because like yeah maybe if you don't like Trump and you're like hey like she's saying that she's gonna check four of the important boxes for me like that's enough but she has changed her position a lot and so like if you believe that the change is real then she could be a great candidate to some people I I just had this crazy vision of like Mad Max dystopia and like like I did I really did I just like I truly did and I saw myself and I I just said well [ __ ] it it's Mad Max now and I felt relief it was like this strange no longer hoping it's not gonna come thinking I can maybe do my part to help try and PR it's just it's over it's Mad Max now it's like lorded over by I mean it's like the Democrats pack the court and you get dictatorship or something and we're all in not me I'll be on the road with a dog and a Truck and a gun and uh but it'll be straight up Mad Max and there's something weirdly comforting about it I've got to say I don't America if America becomes Mad Max I'm moving to Haiti and I'm gonna take over that country I'll probably just go back to San Francisco and stay there whole time I mean same difference really uh let's move on to Pirate Idol - Week #4 - The Pandemic Of Incles [Music] Idol and the greatest show on the internet is back it's pirate Idol guys welcome uh thank you for joining Trent IA Louie we have been just I mean going strong for weeks now I I'm pretty sure that we're just about to wrap up the first round um so next week I think is going to be our last of the of the of the of the of like the first grouping and then we'll figure out I don't know the rules moving forward I'm kind of making it up as I go um as is my way I'm stoked to have you all here we're just going to get into it today or should we I guess maybe recap on on how folks are I don't it's I it's kind of all over the place I'll tell you what I've been talking to the poly Market guys and we might actually do like a poly market like a betting segment on the pirate pirate Victor um so yeah stay tuned for that for now let's just get into the show uh rules are sort of standard as always I'm going to or really Riley is going to break down the topic of the week then each contestant is going to kind of say hello where are they from tell us something cool about themselves or the world they're going to give us their take you all uh and US whoever can jump in can dunk can compliment can add to whatever take just like have a conversation with us and uh and then you guys in the comments or the viewers in the comments you sort of say what you think about the topic what you think about the contestants um we have become I think a little bit nicer you know this is sort of the way of pirate wires is we have like this really negative angry brand but really we're all very nice we're the nicest I think um the nicest and the greatest maybe Trump would say but let's just get into it Riley you're up my man break down the incel pandemic sure thing so your topic this week contestants uh comes from a story we wrote about in The Daily um according to a new Stamford study the covid-19 pandemic has led to a continued recession in Americans dating lives the study's author estimates 13.3 million more Americans were single by 202 to than they were before the pandemic uh with young people being especially impacted Bloomberg writes rather than creating a temporary disruption covid seems to have accelerated the US's decades long decline in connection and Community damn so it's like population crash adjacent we've got Co in there we've got gen Z which I I mean ripe for making fun of Lou I think you probably are gen z um I'm right on the cusp of gen Z and Millennial so I'm 27 years old born in 97 so I don't know am I gen Z I don't even know to beon well you could be our translator you could be the Gen Z Whisperer you could translate for me because I can't understand half the only thing I know about gen Z are the giant pants and I could not explain them if I had to those like weirdly shaped huge pants anyway a different topic I like the big pants personally that's that's a whole other topic Lou you were back you came in last week had some technical difficulties it was a tragic moment you seem very sad but you've risen like the Phoenix what do you think about your incel compatriots and is it or not sort of the response of or in response to co is co to blame for the fact that you kids are not [ __ ] I do think that Co definitely exacerbated the problem but to me I think the problem is declining testosterone levels so if you look at a chart like we're like yes we're like yes T yes yes um if you if you look at a chart of testosterone levels like from the 1980s up until now you'll see a very clear downward trajectory which is very alarming and obviously if men don't have high testosterone levels well then they're not going to have the gumption or the motivation to go up to the girl and talk to the girl they're not going to have that energy to want to procreate because that's literally what testosterone is and so I think that's one of the problems that we need to kind of solve first and foremost secondly I do think that phones are also a problem because phones well smartphones they provide instant gratification right so if you're horny and you're too nervous to go and talk to a girl you can just go to pornhub.com see some I don't know big booty latina is that what you see Lou is that what you see on por.com I'm G let you know I've been around Latinas in my life um show us your tabs I I don't see that no is degenerate porn is bad don't do porn kids it's it's the worst thing ever it's it should be banned frankly that's a different subject um but yeah and you go and you can gratify Yourself by watching some porn video you know I'm not going to get into the details but you can it's fire wires what you like to get into encourage him I'll do it for the children who might be who might be watching there are some children watching actually so we shouldn't exactly exactly I learned through Olivia which we'll get into in a minute interesting yeah um so besides the instant gratification thing also like back in the day people didn't have smartphones to use as a crutch so for instance if you were like a college freshman in the 1970s right and you went to some social Gathering and um like you got so socially anxious because you were with the cool kids or whatever you can't you couldn't just like pull out your smartphone and go into a corner and start scrolling through Twitter acting like you're doing something more productive or more cool you had to actually face your anxiety and go and talk to people and make conversation and I think our phone is kind of like a crutch in a way and so there there there's like mult there's multiple aspects as to why phones are like a problem when it comes to l you know I thought you were going to tie it to I mean I I I mean roughly I think it's like we kind of don't know any one of these roads is an interesting Road worth walking down and seeing what's what's up there uh researching more finding out more cell phones are new right this whole thing is a new it's a really new technology that's should be I mean technologies have been saying for decades it's been a truism you know that in the internet has fundamentally changed Society mobile internet has fundamentally changed Society okay well the thing about fundamental change is it is fundamental like we should see evidence of change everywhere in everything that we do I think dating is a really good example of it it's not quite clear how I do sometimes wonder about the te thing and because this is another thing where I've really dug in trying to understand what's causing the tea decline which does seem to be real no one has a good answer and I wonder if it's the phones they're in our pockets on that point now that you mention it so supposedly I I googled this really quick before coming on screen time does like if you have excessive screen time it does correlate to lower testosterone levels okay I have another really crazy one that I have to share this one this is one of my craziest and it's I think it's a novel idea so I would like someone to maybe some scientists out there listening to Pirate wires can do some research on this I think it's worth exploring so wouldn't it make sense from an evolutionary psychology standpoint to um for humans in high concentrations to have lower testosterone right if you have huge like very sort of um what is it high population density the higher the population density in a group you would want some lower te so people men specifically are less likely to fight and more likely to get along well how would you even know that you're in high concentrations of people obviously there are like hormonal things that you think about there are I don't know something else who knows what it could be but one obvious one is just visual stimuli if you see evidence of tons of people all around you perhaps that alone would be sufficient to lower your tea and now all day every day we're on our phone looking at other of course we had television and we had you know walking around the park and seeing people but the phone is right in your face you were scrolling scrolling scrolling there's people everywhere every single second of your day um there are people and I I I wonder if it's just that um which again sounds crazy zero evidence total complete like fake news type opinion in in terms of like don't quote me on it this is not a peer-review journal but I wish that it would be I would like a peer-review journal to look at it um maybe it's just more complex social hierarchies when you have people in Greater concentrations it gives rise to these complex hierarchies and people that are lower have demonstrable measurable decreases in testosterone so if you've got a really complex society a king on top there's going to be fewer people that can occupy the upper strata and therefore you would expect to see uh decreases in Te across those those lower layers so awareness of of the hierarchy yep there's a study there's a study that shows men how they change their voice around different groups of people so for example if an attractive woman is nearby they will subconsciously lower their voice but if there's a man they perceive to be potentially stronger than them they will make their voice higher as if I don't want to fight no do you know where you see this the most at the gym you go men in a there nowhere will you see a more peaceful hushed voice than in the male locker room where guys are like hey could you oh thanks by like it's like it's the most it's very much on display like all over the gym you see this um yeah interesting I've also read maybe Brandon I think you told me this that when men take positions of leadership their T spikes because we published a piece I think a while ago on on the testal lipse I believe it was called yeah it can change by situation like if you move in in one day if you move from a scenario where you are in a high sort of position in the hierarchy to a scenario where you're in the where you're middle of the hierarchy for example your T levels do change but lot of these studies are flawed because your tea levels naturally change uh per the time of day so like I think I think maybe at night it's highest I'm not totally sure but a lot of the science is difficult to sort of pin down that explains the the late night booty calls yeah also probably the morning which we don't have to get graphic let's just let's just let's just move on actually before we move on Lou Who are you and where you from and um I tell us tell us an interesting fact about yourself an interesting fact okay I'm from the southern border I think that's very interesting I am interested in the southern border these days especially yeah yeah so the river is literally a block away from my house so I well in my house back home I live on Sixth Street the river is like on Eighth Street if there were an eighth street so South Texas right on the border I think that's a pretty interesting fact but as far as what I do I'm an editor at the Daily Caller um I've been here for like a year I've been working in news for almost two years and and yeah that's that's me wow so oh man you know what we're have to just it's it's a whole other topic but I have a lot of B border border questions and border wall questions and damn it's too bad that you weren't here for the Haiti segment we had all we today we we discussed uh obviously we had to discuss the cats um but for for another day uh Tren you're up Sir where are you from where are you where are you reaching to us where are you calling us from and uh yeah tell us tell us something about the world and then I'm gonna ask your take okay so I'm Trent fower I'm in Colorado right now about 20 minutes east of Denver uh Lou got to do an interesting fact about himself so do I mean do you want a fact about the world or a fact about me okay so I suppose I'm uh I'm learning Mandarin alongside my daughter she's an a mandrin langage she had uh well because it's uh I think it's going to be a very important language in the future and we also she's half so we figured we could get Spanish for free just spending Summers with her family who don't even speak English so she she and her brother should come out of high school try Ling world we thought that would be dude I don't think it's gonna be no offense at all you can I mean obviously I'm not going to judge your the Mandarin lessons I think that China's [ __ ] I just saw the chart today about the collapse of Chinese startups they're it's you should really M actually I'm gonna let's pull up that chart it's really dramatic um I think we need to believe there's an enemy there because I don't know it's like the last time that we felt that we were great was when we were fighting a giant enemy and it's been a while um but I'm not really worried about China I think you'll be speaking English and Spanish for sure so she's definitely set up no matter what though and be learn Chinese imagine like ordering Chinese food in Chinese that's exciting and novel at College it'll be really all our friends will think she's really cool I mean it doesn't even matter what happens with China economically in 10 years you're going to have airpods that can translate into any any language like IM be monolingual but but that doesn't mean it's not like valuable to learn a new language it can be like you know learning to drive a manual sports car like that can be fun and and exciting like I encourage that it's probably good for your brain but I don't think it's gonna be very practical even if China takes over the world we we'll see we shall see uh well they they've been promising that real-time translation for rather a while I do grant that generative AI has gotten much much better uh I I've worked with a bunch of generative AI companies so I know how how fast all of that is moving so you could be right but I have been hearing that for some time and I think the cognitive benefits will still ACR regardless of of all the rest of it but you could be right hopefully hopefully our enemy uh does collapse but it's it's fortuitous that you phrased it that way because some of my take actually centers around that so I'm going to stake out a a somewhat contrarian position in as much as I don't think covid-19 has all that much to do with the epidemic of loneliness and isolation that we're seeing I think the pandemic was just the latest in a long series of insults and injuries to a basic sense of optimism that we once felt about ourselves the world and the fure future so when you're trying to elucidate a complex social phenomenon like this it always helps to do comparisons and I took the liberty of looking up the reproduction stats before and after World War II which was arguably the last time we faced uh existential risk of this kind and you guys all know that our forefathers triumphed in that conflict came back and had so many babies that it permanently distorted the demographic structure of the United States and the numbers are something like it nearly doubled the reproduction rate nearly doubled over about a 20-y year period from 2.2 up to 3.8 so not quite a doubling but pretty close and I don't want to make light of the suffering and the loss that happened during covid-19 to say nothing of the concomitant erosion of civil liberties we saw from being locked up in our houses but I think we can all agree that sitting at home with access to air conditioning and Netflix and running water doesn't compare to sailing across the ocean storming Normandy and facing down the greatest evil to have ever emerged on the European continent so given that we were able to weather that far more dire storm with a basic sense of self-respect intact I don't see how covid-19 is is responsible for what we're seeing today and I I think there there are two basic lenses that we can use to try to figure out what's going wrong here and the first and and slightly more shallow is just the broader Spectrum fraying of the social fabric of American life so by a fortuitous coincidence I happen to be reading bowling alone right now which is Robert putnam's epical study of the decline of civic participation in American Life uh it's arguably the most comprehensive such study that had ever been written it's not that the social fabric was destroyed by covid-19 it's that we went into it badly frayed already so we were not embedded in a Rich tap tapestry of social connections that would allow us to uh to get through it with resolve instead we went in already isolated and that was just exacerbated by the isolation that we experienced from from the lockdowns and I think the deeper reason and I'm going to soapbox a little bit here but I think the deeper reason is that the fire in Western Civilization is flickering and and dying I think that we no longer see ourselves as a spiritual and moral Beacon for the world I think we no longer see ourselves uh as serious people and I I don't think we any longer see ourselves as part of a glorious project that's worth understanding and sustaining and this isn't terribly surprising like how would you expect people to respond when they've spent decades being told by Communists and the woke and postmodernists that their civilization is uniquely responsible for every evil that has ever befallen the world that their very existence is offensive and they should be sorry begging on their knees for forgiveness for every breath that they take how would you expect people to respond when we we've been told every year that we're just that right around the corner there's a global climate change induced conflagration that's going to destroy the entire world and consume us all in fire like it's no surprise that in in view of seeing that that people don't have the Hope required to go out and make these connections to start families to have kids all of which are in my view inherently optimistic and hopeful acts and uh in preparation for this you sent us a Bloomberg article and I actually thought there was a really good quote in that that I want to read uh it comes from near the end and it's from Joanna Shu uh whose name I know how to pronounce because I'm learning Mandarin by the way uh she's the director of the University of Michigan surveys of consumers she says what we're seeing is a dramatic lack of Hope and she goes on to say people are in a funk about politics people are in a funk about the economy it would not surprise me if that was connected to being in a funk in more personal areas people feel defeated we aren't isolated alone sick and depressed because we somehow forgot how to strike up conversations during covid-19 we're in that state because we've been under a very quiet siege for a very long time that has undermined our sense of optimism and I think that's what's ultimately playing into it I think I agree with a lot of what you said I think it's something that has happened slowly so it's been hard to track but certainly I was thinking just about this not too recently in the context again of Technology how there are these sort of unambiguous Goods that you think in in technology for example video calls like this and um and you think well what could possibly be what could possibly be the ne negative externality there and then I wondered how much less likely am I to maybe visit my family because this feels so much like that you know it simul it gets just close enough in in the days before when when you know calls were were difficult I probably wouldn't even have moved across the country I would have not wanted to lead my family you know um and it's just been a slow sort of maybe degradation of that and uh and then you know through our topics today and just recently a lot I've been thinking about is what even is America I have a sense of it and I have a sense of American identity but wonder you know you have 20 million immigrants po somewhere between 15 and 20 million illegal on the illegal side of immigrants over the last four five six years what is their sense of America what is like what are they integrating what are they expected to integrate into even and and what are we expecting them to integrate into it's just to a certain extent we've sort of been reduced to an economy in the world we just happen to be people living between these borders that's just that we just happen to be the people who were born here or who came here and naturalized and I think on the one hand there's a loss of a sense of American identity at all that we're United around a common set of precepts and there's also this Insidious idea that if you expect immigrants to learn English and to assimilate into the society that's racist somehow you're erasing their identity and that's bad so on that two fronts you have just this erosion in the the idea that there could be an American identity I like the I like the co being like over overstated take but I I'm still still a little loose on like what what is your solution no one who has a solution that's a that's that is not the assignment I would never ask someone to solve the population crisis on the pirate wies podcast I mean unless Zin Z the kids and put testosterone in it put test put test in the Zin packages and and no I'm I was told last week that Zen boosted te naturally John is that true by the way the evidence is a little weak on thatly like you know highly correlated obviously because look at who's using the product Olivia solve the population crash no I'm I'm kidding um f first just Olivia welcome to the Pod who are you where are you calling in from um and then let's get into the question at hand which is the incel ification of the Zoomers cool so I'm Olivia I'm I'm living in Nashville I worked in Tech uh in sales for my career until most recently I'm a PM for an 11-month-old so that keeps me super busy um a fun fact is Chris from season four episode four is my husband I was gonna ask you that but I didn't want to blow up your spot in case you guys were trying to keep it private no so you got a little interm marital competition um once the Chris the contestant from last episode Chris ofal oh an idol I got it wow you guys are uh flooding The Zone yeah we're big pirate water fans we gota we gotta participate um okay so I've got a dunk a real take and a hot take um my dunk is I think the the the low te argument is really funny but I don't think it's accurate um for the reason of like if we go back 50 years were all these guys really cold approaching women all the time I don't think that they were I think in reality there were like social scenarios set up more often where like you're interacting casually with women and then maybe your friends and then that that slowly progresses to like a romantic relationship um the cold approach is actually like not best for women in the sense that they're forced within like five seconds to make a judgment call on like if I should trust this guy to spend more time with him um I looked it up quick too and there's a study that says in risk of our sexual markets cold approach you're yield a higher percentage of dates with more sexually unrestricted or crazy women true you know a crazier woman would be way more willing to like take a bet on the random guy that hits her up at the bar um okay so that's my my dunk on the lowy argument my real take I really agree with Trent in the sense that like there's been a slow decline through the internet through our phones through covid of like our third spaces being gone so you've got your first second and third spaces home place of work and then like some social space you go often and for a lot of people two-thirds of those are completely gone like if they work remotely their workspace is gone and then their social spaces are gone and I think phones like really steal a sense of agency and also they like restrict boredom which is an incredibly powerful emotion for agency so I'm thinking back to like my parents my in-laws my in-laws met at a church dance my parents met at a club called JJs uh in Upstate New York and it's like they were at those places because sitting at home was lame and boring and so it's like let me go out and interact with people but now your phone is just as entertaining as potentially going out in public uh so why would you go out um and then I would say my my hot take is Bring Back arranged marriages I agree like I think I'm the minority in that I actually would have trusted my parents to find me a spouse I know that's not the case for most people but maybe it's a friend maybe it's you know somebody else you know maybe it's pirate wires setting you up with a husband or wife you know I've been asked I have literally I was asked for a dating service just last week I was asked for a dating service it was a guy he just he had just broken up with his girlfriend because he felt he could not talk to her about I mean it was very I didn't recommend this I don't recommend breaking up with your girlfriend if you can talk about py I just fire Wares articles with them but that was roughly what I was getting and um and he was like I would love to meet someone who likes the same things that I like and I was like I don't know I don't know that you need that by the way I think that you could have a partner who just likes you a lot and you guys have different things but anyway that's a I didn't mean to interrupt sorry you want did you have something to say there I just I I pirate wires dating is something I I do think about though we're like we do skew mail I mean let's just call a spade a SP yeah I'm not surprised um but no that was the extent of my that was my hake bring back range marriage what do you mean bring back like what America did America ever do that AR marriage was yeah I feel like that's like not an American tradition is it is there no version of that in Europe I thought the love marriage was pretty new basically certainly marrying here certainly marrying for love is quite new in the grand scheme of reality that's like a human existence that's a that's a new thing yeah I mean I I I think like one of the under discussed Technologies that's probably having huge effect here is just the invention of contraception and maybe we're still feeling like the effects of that because there's they just completely rewrote like the the the way dating kind of progresses and I imagine that a lot of the a lot of like the the the gigachad high te males in the baby boomer generation like they came back they had kids and they were like I have some level of responsibility here and so I'll settle down um and kind of progress that way um and and maybe like maybe the the the phones and the technology like it will have an effect and it's having an effect now but like maybe the bigger effect is going to come in like 50 years and maybe maybe the thing that we're experiencing here is actually still from the contraception that was invented like you know 70 years ago maybe but I mean my my are boomers were having kids man even Boomers were having like much bigger families than than Gen X or Millennials yeah yeah yeah and and and and I think a lot of that was due to like a lower prevalence of of uh I think it's more the cultural acceptance of using protection so the idea of using a condom today and being like Oh I couldn't do that because it's against my religion seems crazy like no one that you would not hear that whereas that was pretty I mean I was raised Catholic and my parents are like kind of they're like well they definitely used protection but I do think was the pope was against contraception until like they're against it no they're still against it as the resident Catholic here I I'm a Catholic yeah we're totally against and premarital sex it's all very bad I I liked um Olivia there were two things there that that you said that I really resonate with me one was bored um I agree I think that it's like really important to be bored generally separate from this conversation I think about this a lot boredom as you said I love your the idea that yes it pro provokes you to so sort of go and find something to not be bored and often that brings you to people or projects or something um but but also it's just like it's a weird talk about things that aren't Lindy sort of living a life without boredom is not Lindy that's really new and I think there's separate from what the sort of more obvious things that could be a problem with just no longer being bored ever there are things that we don't know and aren't thinking about this is a huge again fundamental change to the way that we exist in the world that has never existed before it really matters that we talk about it and another one I was thinking about you're talking about third spaces um agree they're all gone I think church is a big one where people used to meet their Partners obviously their neighborhood neighborhood community things the only third space that we really have now is a bar um problematic for a bunch of I think more obvious reasons another one though is work my parents met at work I think meeting at work is probably historically over the last handful of decades since more women have been in the workforce was pretty common um I've had a lot of fights even with fairly based friends at at work about this um I think it's totally fine to date people at work and I think it's crazy that we expect people not to date at work not to sort of meet someone and then date at work it's like oh they're weird especially during the me too ERA this would come up a lot and people would say oh my God you just shouldn't do it you shouldn't mix work and romance it's like that's not the way it works my friend you meet someone and you're into them and you want to be with them and if you have a strong social like walls up against that sort of driving people away from that or even just against relationships in general right like our culture became pretty averse college campuses pretty averse to to sort of sex we're sort of in I think a a sex negative environment I look at um like movies and stuff from 10 years ago and we were more we were much more open sexually think culturally I really do think that which maybe sounds strange but I really believe that we're more socially conservative now than we were a handful of years ago and more conservative about sex and then also more just like not just sex negative to say this in like the the lib way but we're sort of more anti- men women coming together and it's like there's like a this increasing like friction between the Sexes that I don't quite know what to make of I think something that's also interesting is you've got um College which is presumably like an incredible third space to meet other young people who are you know in your community but I heard when I was in college like so much like don't even think about marriage you are way too young for any of that stuff and so you leave this space that you could have met like a great partner but you were told like keep it casual keep it simple and then when you're actually ready to settle down you look around and like there are no more spaces like that yeah I think that cultural normalization of the infantalism ation of like adults is certainly I mean who knows what causes the cultural normalization that's the I think the missing peace but we're treated like children I mean people in their 30s still act like children and think that they're children and say in their early 30s will say things like I'm too young to settle down no you're no you're not you are not go back like abort abort abort this is the path of Destruction you were not too young to settle down in your early 30s my mom had four kids four by age 31 like that's crazy that we ex we just like extended we think that we're just extending our youth or something but we're we're not we're we're actually just adults acting like young people for a long time which is a new thing I think that's why we like superhero movies so much because we're like grown children and meanwhile sorry if this offends any it's offensive to me you can finish and then I'm gonna say something come on dude you're finish your point and I'm going to put you in your place go ahead okay like you're watching grown men in costumes fight each other in this weird fantasy world that's clearly for children Marvel was like never I don't think Marvel was ever made for adults I think comic books are for children and the fact that Marvel is beating all these kinds of Records just shows how infantilized we are as a society like what you're you're the biggest movie in America is two grown men and TI fighting each other in this Fantasy Land I mean I think that's pretty bizarre like how do you go from Casablanca or like Pulp Fiction to like first oh my God we have to stop right now Pulp Fiction great movie Nobody saw Pulp Fiction like Pulp Fiction never been like one of the top 10 Blockbusters or whatever never never never KAS block yes but that's like a culture that I is so far removed from here that I I wouldn't even begin I could not even begin to get in the mind space there Godfather sure comic books we're talking about oh people have never been into this sort of thing they're Greek it's Greek mythology they're like they're Gods fighting each other and they're some are Petty and some are you know humorous and they're going to war whatever like actually these archetypical characters are tapping into something inate the success of it should just tell us I I I I agree it's worth looking at so let's just start there it's worth looking at the success of superheroes but what I love about superheroes um not all of them first of all Marvel movies are failing left and right right now um but they were succeeding while they were at their purest when they were the purest matching back to the comic books and when you saw these archetypical characters fighting out um I would say on behalf of values that we all hold dear we were seeing the good fight for really the first time in decades on screen that had fallen totally out of favor every you know great movie was supposed to be some Twisted um you know clown World version or fun house mirror version of what is good and what is noble and now what what are superheroes movies hot objectively hot people physically at their peak fighting on behalf of values that we all share Freedom Thanos is such a great example you should you work for the Daily Caller you should love superhero movies Thanos was the villain what did he want to do he was an environmentalist utilitarian he wanted to kill half of all beings on the on the in in all of existence to save the EnV he was an environment this is like he was Greta thunberg exact Greta thunberg with The Infinity Gauntlet that's what we looking at in Thanos and what happened to Thanos got his head shopped off by a god named Thor case in point you guys are all talking about heroes instead of women right now are there any single guys in here like when is the last time you approached a woman I'm single I went on a date not too long ago I the last time I approached women was like this past weekend do your friends approach women so you think like IRL it's fine because I feel like I also get the sense that guys are told that they're so threatening all the time that they don't feel as comfortable approaching women men just you just don't overthink just don't be a creepy guy and just talk to the girl you think is pretty I think creepy what determines creepy is determined after the fact though creepy is typically determined by whether or not you like someone I mean is anyone ever called in his prime Brad Pit was Brad Pit ever creepy I find that hard hard to believe wish she was creepy to me you can tell she very much determined by listen the superhero Thing by the way I want to close it out that is very com I get I get this a lot and I think that you are probably Mo maybe even most people listening will agree with you certainly I mean actually teal has gone Peter has gone after me on this um he think and he'll go on and on I just think that you're all wrong and I think that superheroes are like one of the only the good not even recently but like everything up until end game in Marvel it was like one of the only cultural bright spots in America and the fact that they were going doing so well with such kind of in like unambiguously good ideals and values was very interesting and remains interesting to me some some dating advice if you're watching this and you're single go to places where you think your future spouse may be if you care about faith join a church go to the local comic bookstore TOS you're a girl looking for a guy nerd spaces go to comic book conventions go to go to like any go to magic the Gathering night or whatever you like go f that you are going to be the queen be okay I've been in Nur spaces for a long time there's only one girl out of 50 and she is the goddess she's that that's how she's treated It Go in the pirate wires comments go in the pirate wies comments go in the PIR that's a great way to close it out thank you very much Olivia go in the P wires comments rate subscribe review leave a comment tell us who you want to see more of um tell us what you think about Marvel comic movies I am curious but I know that I'm right already uh thank 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