there is a bit of a trend at the moment for younger managers in the Premier League the average age is now just 47 just 10 years ago it was just over 51 so it's gone down four years in a decade of obviously a large part of the reason we're talking about this is with the success of Fabian heror very early on admittedly at Brighton but why do you think this trend is happening Rachel yeah I think he's probably skews the sort of me median or mean doesn't he a little bit um I I think players or football kind of we look look at um there's all kinds of sort of examples um but players who NE not necessarily wait until the end of a career to think of going into coaching there's players who are there or thereabouts or get an injury or decide you know I'm not going to make it as a player but I love football I want to study it and they're doing that from a young age um Iola was one of those as well um came and decided you know going to have a fairly average playing career or or nonone at all but absolutely was an obsessive when it came to coaching methods uh coaching sessions tactics and of devised or what's the word kind of have coordinated a career recognizing that it's not just ex-players who then go on a course who then go into management that's not the algorithm that forms a successful manager always I know pep guioli had very successful playing career and as obviously now kind of leads a line with regards to coaching methods and management uh but there's certainly very different ways that players sorry that managers can become to be top managers if you're good enough you're old enough that's simple as it is now in society wherever we work now people want to push young people is a Young Person's sport now football we have women's game we have the men's game I think it's right and proper that we try and push people in talented individuals there's no doubt we've seen that today from Brighton look at the results that they're getting is proving that it works um mind you though I mean if you look at Fabian and you asked him in 10 years time you know of course he's going to be a better manager in 10 years time but he's still got that talent to do it now and he's learning all the time I like seeing it I think it's fresh I just I'm just impressed with what Fabian is doing right now at Brighton it's quite remarkable he's going in there with all the top people and look what he's doing he got promotion last year to the bundes league with a unfancied team talking of promotion two of the three managers who got their teams promoted from the championship as well Russell Martin and Kieran McKenna at Southampton and IP switch as well have shown that you can have success to in terms of successful teams bringing them up what sort of effect Martin do you think this is having on the game well huge I mean Kieran McKenna is another casing point he's he he's quite a magnificent manager you know he was always a good under study he was always the probably the most technical coach within the group and now he stepped forward he's got the confidence to do it had two promotions back Tob back with it switch so he's he's had the evidence he's seeing it for himself and the confidence is flooding through I think it's been a difficult start for him of course losing the first two games of the season but this will only make him better as he goes forward you get that extra wisdom as you as you develop as you as you grow older um but he's learning and I see him coming through this they might be looking at the likes of Everton right now and some of the teams that have started poorly and thinking okay we just need to be better than them so why not and that sort of brand of managers as well is smart players all right are thinking about pretty much work half a day I've got time to go coaching badges there's loads of players more so now than ever that are doing coaching badges during their playing career with an idea of okay it will be an option at the end because I have this in the back in the women's game now it's professional it's the same thing you know they got enough time to be able to do that and a lot of them have taken up that option seeing that it adds that longevity of the industry within football yeah some of the other names we could throw in in terms of the younger managers the likes of Iola arteta only just over 40 as well Gary O'Neal as well so these managers that are having an impact on the game it's certainly interesting and something to keep across