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[Music] [Music] [Music] all right all right obviously with the spe let's go cold cracker let's go bro yes how are you guys doing bro yeah uh so yeah I'm going to do a um sort of stream a bit later um just so people overseas maybe they don't have any you know um you know all the time or maybe they're at work during the time that I do the streams or maybe they're just waking up so that's why I thought you know let's just do it a bit later and see who we get in okay so if you're obious see you're an American viewer or you're you know overseas viewer Malaysian whatever I'm going to post a link in chat you're welcome to jump on again the rules are and I can't stress enough the rules are that if you are going to come dat and debate my bad if you are going to come up and debate then of course you need to just show your camera briefly in the back chat to me and then I'll allow you on the stream that's not a real problem for me at all um but yeah I'm going to post a link here um oh wow wow that's interesting cold quer again I've spoken to quite few people so if I don't remember you you'll know why but yeah you're Canadian that's brilliant let's go let's go man that's brilliant but yeah I wanted to briefly touch on while there's people here and of course um while there's people OB here um johnell God bless you um John if you can please you know um post sorry not post if you can please pin the link that I've sent onto the channel so then people can actually view it anyway um yeah so I'm going to start off by saying peace and blessings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ I want to start off by thanking the lord of hosts the Lord Of Glory the father son Holy Spirit the Lord Jesus Christ and I Praise His Holy Name Lord I Praise His Holy your name I I Praise You Lord and you know please Lord bless this dream bless this dream okay you can't pin okay don't worry I will do that briefly um but while we're getting there what I'm going to do because obviously Janelle can't pin from her side I'm GNA have to do this quickly um so I'm going to be briefly talking about the doctrine of solar scripture um and I'm going to go a bit a bit briefly into Michael Krueger's works on this you know establishing a cannon stuff like this um because these things were important especially as it is the ground and pillar of our faith according to um stene himself um it's it's necessary that we affirm the scriptures and all we do sorry this always happens when I start off I have to build up I'm staring a bit that's that's how it goes of course Lord forgive me but yeah just just scriptures are the so infallible rule of our faith okay and if anybody has a disagree with this please come up um I don't mind there's um an individual watched on over on Adam's Channel by the name of Bas cat he's a Catholic and I don't mind Catholics coming up here and of course I'm doing it for him and others who may be in another country who um of course are starting off a bit later okay um again this stream is not for you know uh people are back talkers people are rude and vile this is people who want to generally have a conversation an adult conversational the doctrines of Christian theology um and that's it really that's it of course if you're an atheist if you're agnostic if you're a Roman Catholic if you're Ean Orthodox if you are a Muslim feel free to jump up the link is pinned right now um feel free to jump up but just remember you have to show your face at least in the back chat it will not be shown on the screen if you don't want it to but at least in the back chat so I can see you because unfortunately there are people who just yeah who literally have nothing but evil words to say out of their rotting mouths so yeah rolling up Everest good to see you bro okay so what I want to establish first is this Doctrine it's the fundamental doctrine of Faith now I'm just beginning on this I'm going to go into and expound it a bit more but one thing you got understand is if you are a Christian the scriptures should be your infallible it should be the starting presupposition of everything you do now this is a nkjv that I've got have for years um great book by the way it's got some annotations in the back but yeah great book by the way great book by the way but I'm a KJV only it's only when it comes to the books I the Bible actually read consistently I don't mind other Bibles don't get me wrong but in so far as I like to read the KJV I would say the KJV onus in that respect okay so I mean but yeah let's not go on a diversion let's get straight to the point so the scriptures are our infallible rule of faith let's first establish this by going to Luke 24:44 to 45 I'm going to give a bit of commentary as well um so yeah let's read here Luke 24 44 to 45 now what I'm going to be doing just listing a bunch of scriptures that affirm this you there's many others but this is just a brief rundown of why I think the doctrine of s scriptor is is fundamental to the Christian church and that without the Christian Church of course without the scriptures there would be no Christian Church to begin with in essence the scriptures are building upon themselves and building from that Source well of Life Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit and given us the church we have today that's why the church today can be fundamentally critiqued by the holy scriptures for there is no other rule of faith that can determine right or wrong doctrines people can have opinions but if those opinions don't weigh up with the weight of scripture and I don't just mean a few verses here or there I mean the overbearing weight of scripture then they are to be disregarded that doesn't mean we deny history as somebody who affirms s scripture I don't deny historical text um I've read many different Church fathers Clement of Alexandria Clement of Rome Ignatius irus I've read these Church fathers but the one thing I discerned from all of them is that although they believed in a tradition they believed in a tradition of their time which was the scriptures you see you see when when we were closest as a church to the pureness of Jesus teachings that's when of course we could say look back at the Traditions but now in this current day and age we cannot do so there is so much differing and contrad contradictory views amongst the fathers that we can't simply go and look back at St Vincent of lens and say you know what he says Carin so he must believe it no rather we should affirm what the scriptures say and let that determine sound Doctrine or determine how we read other outside of sound Doctrine let's get let's go Luke 24:44 to4 then he said to them these are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses and the prophets and the Psalms concerning me and he opened their understanding that they might comprehend the scriptures now this is in Luke 24 this is after Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior has rose from the dead he's Rose from he's risen from the dead and you know he's appeared before you know the apostles he's appeared before of course Mary and in this Apparition as he speaking to the apostles and the prophets he says to them you know he he Exes from the scriptures to them you see the one thing he doesn't do is just give them a new tradition of course he's given us a new covenant and we able to affirm that but he goes into the oldest Testament you see Jesus Christ is the same now in the past and forever that's according to the Bible Jesus Christ does not change so when we look at the Old Testament now we can discern that this coming Messiah this coming prophet he was would shed his blood for our sins according to the book of Isaiah 53 um Isaiah 9:6 Isaiah 7:14 so on and so forth you can clearly see that this individual is going to be or going to come and going to give us that new law but not only that he also exes about themselves from the Old Testament and he open their understanding that they might comprehend the scriptures you see for Jesus Christ it was of utmost importance that the church comprehend the scriptures that the church comprehend that which was before it you see the church according to and I'm going to show it briefly here um if I'm quiet okay should have it got so much stuff here the church according to Ephesians 2:20 says here Ephesians 2:20 having built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Jesus Christ himself being the Chief Cornerstone the church is built upon the foundation of the Apostles and the prophets you know so when people run to other passages for example in the Bible it says of course that the church is the ground pillar of our faith they don't understand that the church is built upon a foundation itself the pillars are built upon a foundation the Chief Cornerstone is the one laid before anything else you understand so the apostles and the prophets are predating they are precursor to this church we already have and yet the foundation of the church relies upon their writings you see this Messianic prophecy the the the coming Messiah the coming Temple of the Lord the dwelling of the Lord the um Yeshua hamashiach entering into his Temple this is all found foundationally in the scriptures that were given to the Jews and how were they given you musts well they were given through prophecy through Revelation that's how we determine how they were given of course you can find throughout all of the because there's different genres in the Old Testament right you can find all throughout the Old Testament different genres of writing but generally speaking all of those genres According To Jesus Christ himself are inspired you know the Old Testament speaks of him that's what we say in the Book of John chapter 5 Romans 15:4 for whatever things were written before were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have have hope yeah don't worry don't worry that's not how so I'm just going to answer briefly the question of course I've asked people to come on um and I've made it very clear that this is an open stream where people can actually debate and discuss these so if you want to jump on um but seen as you Roma compuls Monday seen as you just want to s a chat and hide that's fine I'll will answer your question briefly so you said Can anyone answer that what about so scriptural before the scriptures were inaccessible well so scripture is not the idea that because there's no scriptures therefore so scripture is the fun so scripture is not the written word and that is it no that's not it okay because before the written word what was there a apostol apostles who were taught by the master himself and that's what we would base our faith on so of course at the time of the Apostles although there were writings at the time of the Apostles you can find that in Ephesians 4 okay you can find it very clearly and the Old Testament was still in sorry accessible at the time of the Apostles you see that 1 Corinthians 15 for example as I read out to you in other passages as well where we're told to holds to what we've been given how can we do so how can Timothy for example in second Timothy 3:16-17 hold fast to the scriptures that are the so inedible rule of faith if there were none you see that's the issue okay so what we generally say is the the apostolic witness the time of the Apostles has ended that's just that's just a given those writings which the church receiv received which we do not deny that the church receives them the church is not a the church is does not manipulate these things rather a church is a recipient of these things those writings themselves become the blueprint for a church you see because the apostles themselves were inspired for example let me show you here and I only go to the word of God for this stuff okay let's go to um let's go to let's go to um yeah let's go okay so we go to first Thessalonians 2:13 for this reason we also thank god without seizing because when you received the word of God which you heard from us you welcomed it not as the word of men but as it is in truth the word of God which also effectively Works in you who believed so you got to understand one thing is that the presupposition of s scripture is that prophets are are used in fact and where there is no written tradition there is an all one the question then stands upon what is that written in all tradition and that's very clear from the text we know that the apostles according to Paul himself are the ones who are the who are the ones who are giving the word of God as we're told by Paul himself for this reason also thank God we thank god without ceasing because when you receive the word which you heard from us okay so automatically he doesn't he doesn't assume that they would have the word of God again the recipient of the word of God is the Church of feso that's the recipient of the word of God and also I want you to notice this word received received is part past tense it's not your receiving no you received the word of God you received it now at the time of the Apostles of course there was no there was no written terms in terms of like maybe the book of um Revelation that wasn't written out at the time but that's not what we believe we don't deny that they weren't written writings we don't we don't deny that the church itself is a recipient of the New Testament what we simply came is is that the Authority or Behind These script determines their veracity and the authority Behind These scriptures are of course Apostles themselves so we don't need to jump the gun and say well you know Ignatius wrote some stuff yes he did well that's fine um but we don't need to jump the gun and claim that Ignatius somehow is akin to an apostle apostles were chosen primarily from God just a given okay seeing as there's no more Apostolic witness there is nothing else we can refer to as scripture the question i' ask you Roma kaput M if that's your name probably not your name your your mom probably didn't name you that name when you born right but the one question I asks you okay so where is where are the words of Jesus the canonized words of Jesus Jesus Christ and the apostles in the Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox church outside of the New Testament the 27 books of the New Testament where can you find that and if the cannon list is closed there has to be a reason why it's closed I would argue it's because the church is recipient of the Apostles sayings the church merely receives it doesn't create okay um who said that we isn't a sin most things were a sin with it I don't know what you're talking about you're just making stuff up most things are a Sin okay according to the Book of Proverbs just is a sin okay lying is a sin pride is a sin okay how many people are Pride for and believe that they don't they don't sin but according to the book of First John if anybody says they don't sin they don't have the father in them so I mean let's be honest people produc it and I would never tell somebody oh go and smoke weed I would never tell anybody that but I would say we all struggle with sin primarily the question is are you willing to struggle or are you willing to are you telling me that you'd rather adopt that if you told me I'm a happy happy weed smoking Christian I'm going to tell you look smoking weed is wrong it's a sh if you're telling me that you don't like doing it but you struggle with it that's a completely different thing on entirely but again I'm not a pastor a pastor is giving this role according to the book of Philippians and other books as well okay a pastor is given the role to look after the Sheep of Christ you can see that of course with Luke for example Luke 22 where Jesus says to the Apostle Peter feed my lamb feed my sheep sorry feed my Lambs feed my sheep okay so that then the question comes if that's the case as as we'll see that the apostles do feed the Lambs and feed the sheep if that's the case then yeah right that's the role of somebody who's either an apostle or aor pastor and if you are struggling these things what I'll tell you to do is go to your pastor seek out pastoral guidance seek out help if anything okay I wouldn't tell you go go around smoke weed Willy nly no that's not biblical it's as simple as how can anything be the creation of God yet he never really for example how could you be the creation of God yeah he didn't you know engage in procreation with your mother like that's just a stupid argument because God through Divine Providence guided the scriptures he influenced the minds of men who guided the scriptures so what because he can do that that's the thing he influences the minds of men to write down his holy word and every time he speaks it's Revelation revelation of what God wants of us but also through his Apostles through His prophets he has spoken in times past okay there's no there is no Claim by the apostles or by the prophets that there be further generation of anything after them that would you know escape the truth of the gospel for example this is the reason why I believe in Joseph Smith or the Roman Catholic church or Islam because further prophecy if it goes against and negates the word of God it's not necessary if the Apostle if I'm sitting by the feet of the Apostle Paul he's telling me everything I found in here and all of a sudden a Roman Catholic priest comes up to me and says well um we in fact in infallibly Define the scriptures and the only way to determine whether there's Cannon is through us I'm going to be like hold on but Paul said it and that it's just as clear as day at that point you know the apostles according to Luke 24 they're the ones taught by the mar himself they are taught by Jesus himself so why am I running to Papa franu or alonsus Lori or to a random you know online Church Father who thinks they are a Church Father Like J why am I running to these people and I just run to the apostolic witness you know you see they want to battle with words we don't need to do that God is infallibly glided in scriptures to the point where the King James version by the grace of God is the most popular book book on the planet it's is ridiculous a seed a master seed of a religion started in the Jewish Community you know all of a sudden has dominated most of the known world and it does so through the word of God explain that you know atheism can't really explain most things atheism can't explain why human beings have conscious reality atheism can't explain why human beings have subjective reality atheist can't explain why there's logic reason and Mathematics you know atheists just assume that their five senses give them a valid interpretation of what reality is just atheists assume and assume and assume you have to have a lot of faith to be an atheist and I don't have that kind of faith in me sorry I'd rather believe in Christ seems to make more sense of reality um if you guys want to come up feel free to come up I'll put a link in the chat um okay so I the find the churches those Believers in Christ who are regenerated and covered in the blood of Jesus Christ and born again through his holy spirit quite briefly um so the church can be the church without inferring or even believing in for example ner 2 which according to history infallibly defined according to their Notions infallibly defined by the way because they make up what infallible is according to their counil claimed an anatha on anybody who does not bow before images and random cartoons of men and of course the um the um individuals the iconic class of the time we're disagree with this and now I would say the iconic clastic position is the earliest position you can find it in tertullian you can find it in origin okay it's it's very clear that both these writers affirmed an icon class position and they're both Witnesses of an early church whether they were heretical or not doesn't matter to me okay well of course I'm British I was born here okay okay be like howy ho I'm American stupid okay um logic isn't just language you in order to infer any sort of Bill in order to infer any sort of logical reasoning you have to infer a working Consciousness and you have to infer um laws of logic themselves so you have to infer that there are Universal states of Affairs that allow for laws of logic and that those laws of logic cannot change in within any instance I mean that's just an inference you're assuming you're having faith that's why atheism is a faith BAS religion okay so yeah um well it's easy to point out the church preserve the scriptures they did so through the Holy Spirit you see the scriptures are the authority and the preservation of the Holy Spirit working in men you see the Bible tells us that the the spirit will guide the Church of Truth it says will guide it doesn't say guided so this guiding process also happens through his word you know without the scriptures there is is no church and I say that importantly because people don't understand what I mean by that what I what I say is this without the words of the Apostles and the prophets you can get away of anything and call that church you can get away with anything you can claim that mother Mary is the mediatrix of all um Saints and that only through her intercession and hers alone can you be saved you can claim that praying to images and venerating images if you don't do such things you are worthy of an anatha you can make those claims because there is no consistent rule of Faith to determine which is Apostolic in origin to determine whether this is right or wrong you know and this is the problem it's a load of inferences I often times see people online romanist apologist Eastern Orthodox apologist coming up with the same spill well how do you know Matthew wrote Matthew simply through divine revelation we can do history nobody denies doing history but we don't make history especially the writings of others the main goal of our historical studies we look at the apostles and Prophets first okay it's just like going to a unfortunately this is the problem that Roman Catholics es for us have if they claim that the church Authority is how we determine scriptures okay and that we can't really have scriptures about church Authority then well just say goodbye to Jesus then because he wasn't really The Authority here it would have been a Sanhedrin before him right what Authority or ground that he have to stand upon he made the claim that he was the son of God they accus him of blasphemy they are the Sanhedrin you know now I'm not doubting Jesus Christ I don't have any reason to doubt him I believe in Jesus Christ but that's the difference between me and the Sanhedrin of Roman Catholics and e or is that I rely on Supernatural tradition I rely on the truth of Christ scriptures I believe it because of the supernatural quality there in I don't need relatively speaking I don't need dudes like the Roman Catholics to say to me oh well you know I mean unless you're in our church you're not in to scriptures that's a lie because your church is not in accord with the scriptures the E Church is not in accord with scriptures they have a faith-based sorry they have a Works based salvation they pray to Mary they pray to Saints they invoke angels all of these things according to even their own Church fathers are wicked you can even show that their own church fathers believe this wicked here it it is against heresies book two chapter 32 he says it himself we do not invoke angels and yet who's praying to S St Mark who's praying to St Luke who's praying to the Archangel Gabriel I can show you many different instances of um Catholics e doing these things so in my Discovery going from you know Soo films going through all of that stuff you know having read deep in history I did what John Newman said wasn't possible because he said to be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant what I say to be deep in the Bible is to cease to be a Roman Catholic and a marry worshiper to be deep in the Bible and church history is to cease to be both of these things Roman Catholic and East North kns because once you get into history you don't see this sort of church structure where is prayers of saints for 400 years of the church where is this as the defining where is the apostolic origin when it comes to veneration Recons you're telling me that somebody is antiz for 400 years not even four 700 years 700 years there were iconic glass all throughout the church and yet they are anathematized in their Council so far removed from the apostles by people who never really met the apostles who never really knew them claiming the authority based upon their Holy Spirit they think they had and you're telling me I've got to believe that no that seems to me to require a lot more better than usual okay okay well I mean maybe I do I do do a good Irish accent I mean that's not an Irish accent my apologies but yeah um yeah I don't know we return to scripture first scripture H don't most Authority as it is God's word which is eternal I was going to read something before obviously I get back to um you know my um my verses in regards to um because there's verses I've got in prayers to Saints I've got quotes from the church fathers which completely refute the idea but and I've seen of course the other side even quotes Clement of Rome and try to get away with a sloppy ex of Jesus which doesn't work it's just embarrassing oh but yeah look at the end of day this is what this is this is what this channel is for it's for addressing these sort of arguments yeah I just want to briefly go to Michael Kruger book this is Michael Krueger's book called Canon R Vis okay let me not start this is Michael Krueger's book called Canon Revisited establishing the origins and authority of the New Testament books I'm just going to read a bit from it okay so I'm I want to read this okay rer does not does this very thing when he States canonicity cannot be established it seems from the books themselves the problem then is not that the church plays a role in identifying canonical books Protestants would agree with this but the Catholic insistence that it plays the only definitive role in regards to the more stringent Catholic approach to the church Canon relationship the idea that the Canon is derivative from the church or caused by the church also raises a number of concerns one although the New Testament was not completed all at once the apostolic teaching was the substance of what would later become the New Testament and it was this Apostolic teaching along with the prophets that formed the foundation for the church rather than the other way around as Ephesians 2:20 affirms the church was built upon the foundation of the Apostles and the prophets the church is always the crura fway creation of the word pman sums it up the biblical Cannon is not a creation of theur church the church is instead a creation of the biblical Cannon the earliest Christians did have a cannon namely the Old Testament itself Romans 15:4 1 Corinthians 106 2 Timothy 3:15-16 which seems to have existed just fine prior to the founding of the church there are no reasons to think that the Israel of Jesus's day had any infallible Revelation from God that helped it choose the books of the Old Testament Cannon three from the very days Believers received Paul's letters as scripture first Thessalonians 2:13 Paul clearly intended them to be received as scripture Galatians 1 1-24 and even other writers thought they were scripture second Peter 2 sorry 3:16 thus the scriptures themselves never give the impression that their author Authority was derivative from the church or from some future ecclesiastical decision four it was not until the Council of Trent in 1546 that the Roman Catholic Church ever made a formal and official Declaration on the cannon of the Bible particularly the Apocrypha in light of this scenario what can we make of the Roman Catholic claim that without the church there would be no New Testament are we to believe that the church had no Canon for over 1500 years until the council Trent the history of the church makes it clear that the church did in fact have a functioning Cannon long before the Council of Trent or even the fourth Century councils ji Packa sums it up well the church no more gave us the New Testament Cannon than Sir Isaac Newton gave us the force of gravity God gave us gravity Newton did not create gravity but recognized it from all of this it clear that there is some confusion in the Catholic model at least in its more stringent vergence regarding human agency and divine Agency for example cre argument that the church caused the Bible is based on the fact that the Bible was written by the apostles and the Saints although C is technically correct that the I is written by human beings human beings who are part of the church to say that they were the cause of the Bible is obscure and at best thly we must distinguish between ultimate and proximate causes although human beings are are no doubt the proximate cause of the Bible ultimate cause is none other than God himself it is God's activity to inspire the biblical authors that produce the scriptures okay he not the church determined what would be inspired and what would not cre has confused the instruments God used to produce the Bible human beings and the ultimate C of the Bible God himself or put differently he has confused the historical order of the church and Canon church is first and with the theological order Canon is first NT wght describes this confusion in the Catholic view this makes the rather obvious logical mistake analogous to that of a soldier who receiving orders through the mail concludes that the letter carrier is his commanding officer those who transmit collect and distri distribute the message are not in the same league as those who write it in the first place did you hear that very good quote from n Riot I know I think n Riot is an angri from what I can remember maybe is I don't know but it's a very good is a very good point that the actual ones giving us or sending us the message are not the apostles or the prophets of that the ones the the primary Giver of the New Testament is in fact God himself and yet he uses these Earthly vessels which in and of themselves are infallible sorry fallible he uses them to determine his infallible decree and that's if that's possible all things are possible for God you see you know but the most very important thing I want you to get from this is that his claim those who transmit collect and distribute the message are not in the same league as those who write it in the first place okay now we could either determine it as well you you know the apostles write it so they're not in the same league as those who transmit and collect it well that's the case so let's look at it this way let's say the Catholic Church are the ones who transmit and collect and distribute the message but they're not in the same league as the apostles who wrote it in the first place in as much as the person or my grandmother in this case sends me a letter a soldier carries Dem mail to me he is not my grandmother he is not the one that wrotes the letter he's not the one who has author over the writings within the letter okay it is this confusion that leads Catholics to regularly claim that the Bible is a product of the church instead of acknowledging that a is really a product of God's activity only to be recognized and obeyed by the church here again we see commonalities with the historical critical model above both so EMP overemphasize the role of community the divine origins of these books are either denied or overlooked of course all these concerns simply lead up to the most fundamental concern namely whether the Roman Catholic model in some Cas sense makes the scripture subordinate to the church the answer to that that question is revealed when we ask another question how does the Roman Catholic establish its own infallible Authority listen very CLE carefully because it's a very good part of his book of course he go he'll go into other stuff as well but this is a very very interesting part of his book in fact I read this whole book a while ago I be getting into it again but this is something I want to outline really quickly um how does the Roman Catholic Church establish its own infallible inor Authority if the Roman Catholic Church believes that the infallible authorities like the scriptures require external authentication then to what Authority does the church turn to to establish the grounds for his own infallible Authority I'm going to repeat that again so you can understand it how does the the Roman Catholic Church establish its own infallible Authority if the Roman Catholic Church believes that the infallible authorities like the scriptures require external authentication then to what Authority does the church turn to to establish the grounds for its own infallible Authority here's where the Roman Catholic model runs into some difficulties there are three options for how to answer this question the church could claim that its infallible Authority is authenticated by and derived from the scriptures but this proves to be rather vicious circular reasoning if the scriptures cannot be known and authenticated without the authority of the church then you cannot establish the authority of the church on the basis of the scriptures you cannot have it both ways moreover on an exotical level one would be hard pressed to find much scriptural support for an infallible church but we cannot enter this question here so he's basically saying yeah like it would be circular reason basically to claim that oh the church der Authority based upon you know the holy scriptures would be circular and it would be it's a it's an internal external external AR it's a Circ argum basically okay and that's that's the point right it just leads to a non-ending PR progression that's the point who then is the infallible authority over the infallible authority over the infallible authority over the infallible Authority if you if you claim a s what grounds or basis do you have to as God what you got to the scriptures you see that's the problem two the church could claim that its infalible Authority is authenticated by external evidence from the history of the church the origins of the church the character of the church the pro progress of the church and so forth however these are not infallible grounds by which the church's infall infallibility could be established in addition the history of the Roman Catholic Church is not a pure one the abuses corruption documented paper errors and alike do not naturally lead one to conclude that the church is infallible regarding faith and morals and I'll was say this is the same thing about the easn Orthodox Church you know the same thing with its corruption its errors or authority you know um s lucaris for example was that not an error was his confesso an error you know because ultimate multiple times you'll see the easn Orthodox coping and claiming oh he didn't really write the confessio the confessio is nothing to do no it is it is just accept it and it's funny because there's guy and you can look him up yourself civil lucaris and there's a great Channel called Ancient Ancient paths TV who's done I a whole video on this and obviously he knows a bit more about it than me but I've watched his video on it and it seems pretty legit and I've obviously looked up a few stuff myself um even watched other channels like Orthodox Christian theology who are just getting it wrong it seems to me that he did in fact you know inscribe the confession and if he did then this man was calvinist he believed in he believed in calvinistic principles not only that but he believed scripture was the final Authority this guy siru lucaris was a bishop of the easn F Church according to their Church tradition he would be a heretic and yet he's a saint in their Church you know and there's so much for example there's so much other sources I can get to like the Council of parara the fact that East nor FR church WIll up uphold and deny that Council that accepted the yqu in favor of a council that sorry in favor of one person um by the name of St Mark of Ephesus and hold to his view above that of an established Council and yet tell us we must be Holden to an established Council that doesn't make any sense that doesn't make any sense I would suggest you look this stuff up because you know as an Eastern Orthodox when I looked this stuff up my faith wavered in that nonsensical and absolutely crust religion prayers to Mary veneration of icons calling Mary your savior you know all of these things are disgusting abuses of God's scripture and read a disgusting abuse of Mary Mary did not ever in any way establish that church nor did Mary spill her blood for the church you know and Mary would spit on these individuals who were doing this stuff to her it sounds har but let's be honest it's it's an abuse it's not a church in addition the history of Roman Catholic Church is not a pure one the abuses corruption documented papal errors and alike do not naturally lead one to conclude that a church is infallible regarding faith and morals it seems that the only option left for the Catholic model is to declare that the church Church's Authority is self-authenticating and needs no external authority to validate it or more bluntly we ought to believe in infallibility of the Roman Catholic church because it says so the Catholic church then finds itself in an awkward place of having chided the reformers for having a self-authenticating Authority sripur when all the while it is engaged in that very same activity by setting itself up as a self-authenticating Authority solo Ecclesia on the Catholic model the scriptures own claims should not be received on their own authority but apparently the church's own authority sorry the church's own claims should be received on their own authority so basically we shouldn't according to the Catholic claim which is literally where they're left after of course then model which by the way it's only only 54 pages into Michael Cruz's book and I think he's completely demolished the Roman Catholic Authority okay the by their own standard they can't use the fact that the scriptures authenticate their church because that's circular reasoning and they were Tri L for doing the same thing and then claiming that there's some external Authority if you look at history you know if you look at history it seems to be in accord with their church but when you look in history it's very model because you don't find PR Saints as a sort of um a successive Norm at least for the first 500 years of the church this wasn't a prog this wasn't a norm it just wasn't people weren't doing it you know hailing marry every five minutes it wasn't done you know praying to icons it wasn't done so then what do you do with these claims what do you do with ir disciple polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John himself literally claiming we don't pray to Angels what do you do with any of these writings just call tertunian origin Heretics because they didn't believe and affirm everything you believe and then that's it I still believe they're Witnesses okay but now that we've established that the Catholic Church model only deems its Authority based upon its Authority they cannot attack the model of the reformers which is so they cannot attack the claim that the church has Authority because the church says it's Authority they can't then attack the the scriptures have authority because the scriptures say they have authority they can't attack the model and you see this is the problem for the so solo Ecclesia model so I hope you understood that right hope you understood that okay um that God through his Divine Providence is guiding the scriptures you know and thus we have every reason to claim that the scriptures are finding Authority on matters of rule of faith and that anybody who you know sways away from scriptures or determines their Authority above that or equal to it has misunderstood the scriptures and does not believe in the god of the Bible unfortunately uh where does science what what okay even if it doesn't even if it does that has nothing to do with whether atheism as an ideology is true um scientism can't you know account for scientism as a moral principle where are the ethical principles of scientism you know if we are just brute chance affected meat machines that are mechanic mechanic mechanicly my brain is G mechanically processed and where is the claim that oh this is right this is wrong you know you shouldn't believe in this religion because it's not true according to what your conscious mind which was evolved to believe in what you believe in you know I mean if anything according to your ideology religion would be a process of evolution so I would only have relig religious inclinations due to the fact that macro evolution is true but it's not it's not true there's no proof of macro Evolution there's no proof of over successive Generations through final genetic trees that we get from a monkey into a man or monkeys to monkeys to Matthew Evolution just doesn't work so no science does not win you don't even have to spell Pagan Tron maybe that's why you got this is why a lot of the guys that run to is for she just illiterate this be like Jay die and be like SP it's like yeah that's literally Jay D spill Jay Di's whole argument oh yeah yeah just you know you know we're in accord with the church fathers and everybody else you the News tells me that I'm in in including with the lurgical book which is the come on dude get lost okay we don't do that that's dumb okay um well religion is mentioned in the Bible the Book of James will mention religion good religion is this you know to look after the um the um fatherless and the and the widowed okay but religion it comes to the word religion which means relationship and Jesus does call us to relationship with him he was saying Revelation 3 for for example you know and you can get out yourself Revelation 3 he will tell us in the Book of Revelation that you know he knocks on the door of of our hearts anybody who allows him in he will sat with them and eat with them okay so if you allow Christ to your life he will have a personal relationship with you and all throughout the um the um gospels we're told clearly that Christ loves his creation you know that his burden is easy his yoke is right Matthew 11 you know we told we told all throughout the scriptures that belief in him is primary to having a relationship with him that's what he wants for us okay so when you say a religion I think I think you think this is a boy club it isn't okay I'm not part of a boy club again when I when I became a Christian I became a Christian because of the scriptures not because of any church I became a Christian because Christ spoke to me through his word and illumined me through his holy spirit but also he used the internet as I've said multiple times that I used to be an atheist and he illumined me through a video on his Anatomy you know and when I'd obviously watched that then I was illumined by the scriptures to further know him so I would say that's the discovery Mr generic I would say read the scriptures you know take the time out because the best to you can have is God himself I can't teach you everything and I can't give you a quick way to know him there's no quick way to know him there's only wanting to know him if you want to know Christ read the scriptures um so yeah we we've already determined that the Roman Catholic model just doesn't work okay um again anybody wants to come up they can um the link should be in the chat um well Jay Jay Richardson science doesn't prove everything for example science does not preclude or doesn't tell us why there are subjective minds and conscious beings it doesn't tell us that you know science is just basically empirical testing you know and it's purely theoretical at best you know it just gives us a determination of how the machine may work not what is behind the machine in the first place and that's the questions that religion does or I would say Christianity I would say religion I would say Christianity does answer the author behind all creation is the Lord God the Father through the Lord Jesus Christ you know who created all things and guides all things through his Divine Providence okay um I have answered your question if you don't like the answer that's fine I have answered your question and you're saying what institution again you're saying you're you're assuming institutions within the church I would like you to show me where the Bible says the church is an institution you're not going to be able to show you're not going to be able to show it cuz it's not there so the church are those Born Again Believers according to John 3 we read clearly in fact let me get up according to John 3 we're told clearly of the church by the way by the Lord Jesus Christ who has way more Authority than you or the Roman Catholic Church which is false by the way um which again right now is being run by Satan himself and has been run by Satan himself for quite some time okay um since the Roman Church themselves departed from the truth of God's word uh um we're told this okay ROM Roma I can't remember his name okay we told this the winds blows where it wishes okay so before this Jesus goes into a discourse with Nicodemus about you know people entering Spirit sorry people entering the kingdom of God having to be born again and then Jesus says this this is John five onwards okay sorry John 3:5 onwards Jesus answered most assuredly I say to you unless one is born of the water and spirits he cannot enter the kingdom of God that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is Spirit do not Marvel that I said to you you must be born again the wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes so is everyone who is born of the spirit so notice what he says he says the wind blows where it wishes again that word Rak it would mean thees okay notice that you see he's equating spirit with spirit and then he says the wind why we just randomly say the wind why would you say that it wasn't random that's why he's referring to the which of course some translations will say in even in the Old Testament in Genesis 2 that the wind moved over the face of waters but as a m translation it's not the wind moved over the face of wats it's a spirit so really it should translate the spirit goes blows where it wishes and you will hear the sound of it but cannot tells where it comes from and where it goes so is everyone who is born of the spirit everybody's born of the radesh comes from Here There and Everywhere and we cannot tell where it comes or where it goes so if you're thinking the church is an institution now you've got a real problem then where institutions even early history don't get it wrong don't get twisted but there's many churches who claim these institutions at least 400 of them with different doctrines um the main ones being of course the um the Roman Catholic and E for churches who are again consider each other as at least in more Orthodox groups to be heterodox and do not agree with each other okay and that's just the case that is literally the historical view of the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics in fact the Roman Catholics make it very clear in their doctrines Unum sanctum which is why of course traditional Latin Masses are being run to people don't understand that that also includes traditional Latin views of the church so according to the Roman Catholic Church Unum sanctum moral Manos okay if you are not submitted to the papacy you are outside of Salvation you are doomed to hell we are not stating this they are the Roman Catholic and Eastern churches are inclusive the church I belong to is not in the sense that Born Again Bible believing Christians can come from any institution but they will abore and this is very important they will abore false religions and false in tions simply because the spirit of God will move in him to go away from these institutions so you can find within the within the um Baptist churches wolv and sheep's clothing but you can also find Born Again Believers you can find within a Pentecostal church wolv and sheep's clothing but also Born Again Believers you can find within the Anan churches wol and sheep SL but born again Believers the wheat amongst the tears this is of course proph side in the Book of Matthew why we don't have any problem affirming affirming this claim because we're not running to institutions rather the Church of Christ is a spiritual thing you know the Bible says you know in fact I'll show you here Jesus Christ says himself you know um and this is not really answered by people of their Camp okay um you know they'll try and spin it or Spin The Narrative but let's let's go to it so for where two of three are gathered this is Matthew 18:20 for where two or three are gathered together in my name there I am in the midst of them okay but to be in the Name of Christ of course there's a ton of implications behind them okay and every man will be judged by the Judgment SE of Christ this is what we're told okay so don't get it twisted of course affirming Christ deity is an important thing as well John 8:24 if you do not believe that I am he you will die in your sins you know the historical view of what I am he is is according to Exodus 3 15 to 16 the I am I amness which would be God himself okay and even in the book of um Isaiah all throughout Isaiah 44 I am he the first and the last Isaiah 43:10 you know um there's no other gods formed after me sorry there's no other gods formed before me neither will they be formed after me okay all throughout the Book of Isaiah we given a clear indication of the I amness of God the Oneness of God but here Christ says you know presupposing his own you know omnipotence and omnipresence that where two or three are gathered together in his name there he will be in the midst of them you know so again the Church of Jesus Christ is much more than just a mere institution which goes and does some sacraments you know and these sacraments in the Roman Catholic church and these are invalidated because they are not subject to the law of God they've taken things like that are supposed to be Hyperbole and have sacred meaning nonetheless like the Eucharist they have sacred meaning but these things are not actual meaning you're not going to eat like you're not going to eat flesh and drink blood that day you're not going to even Jesus says himself in that discourse which the Catholics will use in John 6 63 he says my words are spirit and life and then Peter responds with where shall we go you have the words of spirit and life he didn't run away thinking oh no Jesus is talking about eating his actual flesh no where's the passage in the Bible it says oh well they just ran to eat Jesus like dude there's no passage so yeah it's just a lot of things are just assumptions within the Roman Catholic and e f church are not backed up by the way of scripture well I mean I would say both of you split up the minute you went against scripture again the um Council of NAA to um no it wasn't again you're saying it's it's unchanged but again prayers to Mary are not something found in the Bible even the earliest Apostolic witness what are you talking about okay and again like the Catholic Church split off in 1053 I mean again that's just crybaby language okay you both Departed the minute you went against scripture and decided to make things that dogmatic within your churches that were undogmatic for example the iconoclasm controversy during that time there was a Council called NAIA 2 ner 2 anath matized or cast to ption anybody who didn't claim that bowing down to icons was something that should be practiced in the church and anybody ridiculed it and that was something that the dark reformers were actually pinning against and even during the time there were people around that scope who although you don't hear much about their writings made it very clear that they would disagree with this and you've got T in origin and is before them literally claiming you can't be doing this stuff including people outside of them claiming that oh yeah by the way these guys are not practicing what we're practicing they're not praying to these statues they're not you know venerating icons okay um see yeah don't get twisted he and eat man know I hate that's up you again I always tell people uh it is yeah I wouldn't say that's an excuse to start smoking the Red O ched it just isn't okay it's just we're given no ination in fact the Bible tells us that our bodies in the temple of the Lord does that mean I I don't abuse my body no again and I'm not saying this is a hypocrite okay but I would tell somebody like it's better to struggle through this it's better to acknowledge it's a sin rather than just go around say oh well you know what Jesus put it there like my mom used to Told Me Like Jesus put it there so why you no no just because Jesus put there doesn't mean it's okay to do it okay um yeah I mean no I'm not forcing anybody to read the Bible you can do what you want I just told people it' be better to understand you know what we believe as Christians you know what I mean and obviously to have a better relationship with the Lord of you know Muhammad you're gonna have to show your face in the back chat you don't have to show it on screen just show it in back chat so I can see you and then I'll let you up dude because there is some random because you got Sheldon Cooper in your so I mean I don't know what that is but yeah show your face in the backat so I could just briefly see you I couldn't see you there you're gonna have to show your face dude couldn't see you there I can see your hats dude come on come on show your face okay okay cool cool cool cool so I assume that you're not the same Qui oh how you doing mam I'm doing okay how are you man sorry you're Muslim yes oh I'm sorry could you repeat that are you Sunni Shia Muslim which one of you uh Shia interesting interesting okay well I mean look I'm a Christian so I believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and savior I believe that the only way to Salvation through him and then there's no other way to salvation but through Jesus Christ you got any questions for me before we good uh no my main question would just be uh how do you verify your scripture oh yeah so that's simple what we would do is obviously historical studies and obviously what's in accord with past scriptures for us the text of Isaiah the text of Zechariah the text text of Jeremiah will tell us that there will be a suffering servant and a savior that will come to Earth and that savior would be God for example Zechariah 1210 will tell us that God will literally be pierced for our transgressions and that's God in the context by the way and obviously Isaiah 53 will tell us that there will be a suffering servant who will die for the sins of Israel and not only that but the sins of the Gentiles as well and then of course Jesus Christ fulfills this in the Book of Matthew chapter 27 um um Luke 24 23 you can see it all throughout the snop the gospels and John's epistle itself so yes it's very clear it's very clear that you know we're in accord with that I would say Islam is not in accord with that in a sense that it denies the veracity of the Old Testament but the weird thing is that the Quran will claim that there are Old Testament scriptures for example the Torah and the gospel and that we must adhar to them according to at least sorah 5 verse 68 and sorah 5: 46- 48 yeah okay um but like how do you uh like verify the authenticity of your text like how do you know that that the New Testament contains what Jesus actually said well again I just well I wouldn't ask the same question but I'll posit the same sort of response because your presupposition would be Islam and nobody outside obviously of Sunni or Shia sources really knew who Muhammad was where would whereas we would claim that of course Jesus Christ was a historical person not only according to us but according to to outside sources tacitus Lucian Josephus all would claim a Jesus Christ existed and then of course we would look at the text and we and we look at the text prior to Jesus Christ's coming whether he refilled those fulfilled those Divine [Music] Revelations we don't see that with we don't really see him affirming anything in the Old Testament or affirming any of the Prophecies of the coming Messiah [Music] okay uh so I guess the the way I could reward my question is that like how how then would you disqualify uh like the what what you would call the the false gospels as being what Jesus actually said like the Gospel of Thomas Gospel of Judas things of that nature well if you read the Gospel of Thomas for example the Gospel of Thomas will state that for example Jesus didn't die but it would go against the weight of evidence which claims he did die and we would obviously look at the earlier Epistles like for example uh one Corinthians which was written around 45 ad maybe 50 ad we would look at that and we look at historical evidence related to that and think you know what it says he died and it says he rose again okay so then we look at the synoptic gospels and their Witnesses and the witnesses of time do they affirm these gospels yes they do so we so then we don't really need to affirm the Gospel of Thomas it would be an internal critique of each text the other thing is we know that these sources like the go of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas these to be later Traditions from the second century written by gnostics so and we know that simply by just looking in history okay um so then if if you take the gospels as as historical you take them as historically accurate correct if I take them historical yeah I'll take them as historically accurate yeah okay so uh I don't want to act like an expert in the gospels but there are some things in the gospels that that are not that historians only find within the gospels like an example of this is uh in the gospel of Matthew it said that Herod killed all the babies um forgotten in what area but this is not this is only found in the gospel of Matthew it's not found in any of the other gospels and it's not found in any other historical text outside the Bible like how would you reconcile that oh no that's that's easy well writing from a Jewish historical point of view he's actually written according to papius in the first century he's actually written his gospel in Greek sorry not in Greek in in Hebrew so he's written to a specific audience of the Jews themselves he of course would have known a bit more about this event than maybe John or maybe um the other Apostles would have known again that wouldn't stop the text for example like d there's no historical reference of D Kan actually seeing the sun set in the mudding pool whether this was a metaphor or not there's no historical evidence of this at all okay we only find D Caren mentioned in the Quran but we don't really know who du caran is he's claimed he is Alexander the Great but that's a claim that's not factual for example Solomon according to the Quran in chapter 18 of the Quran Solomon spoke to ANS we've got no historical evidence of that being the case okay so I would say by your Paradigm I would say that's a 4y way to look at how we established the veracity of the gospels themselves I would say it's not an error I would say it's obviously the uh the writings of the individual who witnessed these events or at least knew of these events due to his Traditions I say that doesn't stop the veracity of Christ claim you know I mean I understand that but uh not only is it only found in the gospel of Matthew though but like they for example Josephus there's historic that Josephus who wrote a lot about the atrocities of what King Herod did doesn't even mention this so why why would he leave that out that would be an argument from Silence I mean I haven't read the entire of josephus's Antiquities I've got a book here called the new usus and of course when you read it you can see he mentions James the brother of Jesus being you know slaughtered you know it says here so he assembled the sanhan of judges and brought before them the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ whose name was James and some elders and of course mentions that you know during this time he was you know handed off to death so we could see that from his writings but I would say that that doesn't really dispute the claim that would just be an argument from Silence which again he just if we go back to Islam we can find a lot of things written about prophets that are just not in history for example the building of the Caba according to Surah 2 um I think it's 157 of the to head but I could be wrong according to chapter 2 or Surah Al bakra of the Quran um we're told that Abraham and ish built you know the CA and yet we've got no evidence prior to the Quran of this actually happened so the Quran seems to be its own evidence you see that's why it's not a good criteria to attack the Bible I'd say that's a wrong way to look at the Bible plus the Quran confirms the biblical books we have that doesn't well um I understand what you're coming from but the the way I would respond is that if a book is authored by God then it doesn't really matter what other historical texts say because if it's authored by God then it's obviously going to be true so when the Quran says that Abraham and and Ishmael went and built built the first cabba that doesn't mean that um in other historical texts like the Old Testament don't say this doesn't mean that uh it's false if you if we can come to the conclusion that the Quran was authored by God and that's even implying that the Old Testament is 100% accurate in what it's detailing well you'd have to assume that you know Muhammad was right and he indeed was receiving Revelation from God which I just don't Grant I think that's a giant assumption but the other thing is you'd have to assume that Muhammad was right or allot of course was right by claiming that the Jews and Christians have nothing to stand upon unless they're reading the scriptures that before them scriptures which you would believe are corrupted you see that's the issue if there were scriptures in Mecca in Medina during this time in the 7th Century then no scriptures would have been read by the Jews and the Christians if they're in anyway Interlink with the scriptures we have now then you have another problem because our scriptures claim clearly Jesus Christ is God they were claim clearly that Jesus Christ rose again and he died actually died at death you know and that he was called the Son of God and that he had the actual father and his father was God so yeah all of these things are just anma to Islam example Sur 930 you know yeah so very it's made very very clear so yeah yeah so I I know the passages that you're referring to but those passages actually tell the Jews and the Christians to follow the Quran because they say uh the people of the book the Jews and the Christians have nothing to stand on except for what Allah has revealed to them and it's clear that the Quran was revealed to the whole world so essentially what it's telling them is that and and it's found in another verse is that they're supposed to judge by what they have but they're supposed to use the Quran as their supreme authority so you use the Quran before the word MIM which is supreme authority I don't grant that that term is supreme authority I just don't because even the earliest ex of Islam did not claim that the supreme authority was muham they claimed that muhamedin the word used for supreme authority means witness I'll give you an example I'm going to show you it here okay let me get through my f because I've got so much favorites on this thing it's just ridiculous but let me let me get this up okay um so okay this is the Apostle Paul that's not what I'm talking about okay so I'm going to show it here it should come up okay so you should see it on screen right now if I've got on screen so annoying okay yeah you can see it so again like you've got for example Al gelain of course this is Sam site but there are actually links to the tap here and again although I don't agree with Sam shimun all the time I would say I agree with him on this part at least Al Jalen says this in regards to the word MIM and this word will be used in Surah 5:48 used for Criterion over according to least modern Muslims but not according to historical Muslims Al jaline who was an historical writer of the um um the Islamic tradition says this and we reveal to you on Muhammad the book The Quran with the truth Bill hack is seman connected to an we have received confirming the book that was before it watching over it testifying to it the book means the scriptures so judge between them and the PE between the people of scripture if they take their cases before you according to what God has revealed to you and do not follow their whims deviating from the truth that has come to you so no but I want you to notice before we even get to the fact they saying like judging before like let's just ignore that for a second it says that the scriptures are testifying to it it's not saying that the scripture is correct it says it testifies to it why do you think I'll Jalan of course was an early Islamic leader of jurist prudence why why do you think he would say that not too sure actually well this is just one guy I've got I've got a tons I've got alab here again another historian of is Islamic fol and you can look these guys up if you want to in your free time I'm just giving you the names um it says regarding muham Allah says he brought down the book Quran to you oh Muhammad believe beling in the books that came before it and a witness to them brackets the previous scriptures that they are the trueu from allot faithful to them and a protect of them the root he Mana means to protect and watch over that is why is it said when a man watches over something and prcts it he has he Mana over it the present form of the verb is uim and the noun is he Mana based on what we have mentioned the people of interpretation have differed in their explanation of this word this is our taby by the way another early source and he's he's citing a bunch of people who are claiming that the word MIM which you've mentioned means Criterion actually means protector or witness or a confirmer so this this is already I've already shown you two early Islamic sources that will claim that it means to be a protector and a guarder or a guardian over it does not mean in any way to be a Criterion over that's an assumption made by modern Islamic scholars but it's not something that's really there in early Islamic scholars so what what did you say to that uh well I don't really know what to say to that well look I'll just say this look I mean without getting into the semantic I think you're muted plumed itself out this happens all the time man let me just m down there so yeah yeah but the the whole point I was making is this that if the scriptures according to the Quran are telling what's what's what we being told by the scripture in the Quran that it is confirming that which has come before it in fact Muhammad is told to go to that which was before him Surah 10 verse 94 why would Muhammad be told by Allah to go to those scriptures that were for him why would he be told that you think well um because we as Muslims do believe that there is like there there are some truth in in what you guys have but it's not entirely true so um what ground and basis do you have to make that claim because I've already shown you that the Criterion is not the Quran the Quran doesn't claim it's by be Criterion over the Bible doesn't make that claim so what can you show me a quranic verse where it says these books and verses of the Bible are in fact really you know saw here and these verses are not can you show me that in the Quran uh no I don't believe a verse like that is in there well that's the thing there's no real indication there that the Quran itself is denying the veracity of the Old Testament scriptures and that's the problem you'd have Muhammad is that if if it's the case that these scriptures by the way ACC of chapter 18 I think it's chapter 18 ver 15 it says that Allah's word cannot be changed if that's the case then really I don't believe the Bible has been changed but if it hasn't been changed then God has a son God died on the cross God rose again on the third day okay well yeah you kind of bring a valid argument I'll give that to you I'm I'm not here to win anything I'm just so I'm just letting you know the truth here and the fact is I'm it's not about winning Arguments for me again there's a lot of people online like Sam shamon and others who just want to win arguments I don't care about winning arguments I don't care about looking good I'm nothing dude I'm literally nothing I'm just I'm just pointing out a basic fact that it would be problematic within your system I'll say is look and you know they I as a Christian I affirm what the word of God says because it seems to be in accord of the Old Testament now in regards to you know the veracity of the Old Testament I would say this when you when you are critiquing the Christian position in any sort of way you know also while you're doing it critique the Islamic position a bit further I would say there's there's an issue here where you've you've come to me of course you've said to me oh well you know look at this this is not historical Co historians but then most historians would deny the Verity of the Quran bman said he wouldn't even bother researching the Quran it's a waste of time he doesn't even he does he doesn't believe in that stuff okay um and he doesn't want to believe he's complete outright denied it and if I go to people like Dan Brew breaker they will say that's corre I in your text J Smith but you would deny these people has historians you see so try rather to be more charitable to the text and say you know what what has God defined well God says there's scriptures right he says that these scriptures were sent down to the Jews and Christians what are these scriptures read them and find out that's what I say you know yeah I'll do that well uh thank you yeah no no problem God bless you Muhammad have a lovely bless of the day bro take care stay take it okay um King Kong okay do you want to come up and talk about them um yeah lovely conversation with that young man um you obviously didn't know as much but that's fine um we don't always know as much um you know when we begin this but again it's about it's a journey of Discovery Discovery through Jesus Christ and I obviously Point people to people who can execute a bit more Dan brw Baker was one of them Jay Smith is one of them I would say don't go to Jay Smith for Doctrine though because J Smith's a clown and so is Sam Shimon but I would say in terms of like you know when it comes to Islam I'll would say sam Shimon and J J Smith have at least got something on there um and I'm not being a hypocrite saying that because I would say uprightly that you know Sam Shimon does not have the gospel um and J Smith does not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ and I'll say that openly um for as long as they affirming Roman Catholic they don't have the gospel so that's um that's the wickedness of their part but yeah um good conversation with that sh um okay yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean here's the thing when you say it must have changed I think you're denying God's working hand through the world I mean texts do change anyway that's just a fact but I would say this that there is there is something to look into here there is a there is a wealth of New Testament manuscripts and texts that to the most part 99.9% agree with each other from different regions all around the planet all in agreement with each other that is Authority that is otherworldly considering these people were a bunch of poor stricken Jews who lived lived through poverty and not only that who suffered through the Dian persecution and an aronian persecution both which were done by Emperors um that had wanted them primarily dead and white okay and to struggle through that and then to just to come through that with a wealth of New Testament text is interesting um devious Chris okay change so much that Matthew has JC quoting the sepian instead of mtic text again well we just simply say this the mastic text the um sep tuen these are all compilations of texts anyway Deni that and him quoting the sepan is no different than him quoting the Matic text I would say you read the mastic text which we find of course within the King James Bible um you can read the septu and it's pretty much the same thing okay um we wouldn't deny that there's no historical Bible which claims that Jesus Christ did not rise again from the dead was not crucified again this is the standard which Paul equates when he's mentioning in one Corinthians 15 the gospel you know if Jesus Christ did not die then we're dead in our sins that's the whole point you know but if obviously if the brother she Brothers watching I will say to you look you must be born again okay God wants a relationship with you but only through Christ can he have a relationship with you only through Christ can you be reconciled see humankind are continuously in sin and the only way to get out of that sin is not by doing a bunch of good works okay because we can't do good works we fail the Lord continuously the only way we can be justified before the Living God who is perfect in all righteousness is through the blood of his son so that when God looks upon his children which are us he looks upon his son instead of looking upon us as rawful disobedient creatures he looks upon us as if he's as we are his only son God fulfilled the law perfectly you know died for our sins rose again so that we may live life continuously in him you know um CH again there's been claims that chat gbt destroys Islam as well I was saying that's not how we do historical text okay I'll say no I mean the other problem you'd have of course obviously I was speaking to a a Shia so again Shia have different sort of claims for text and sunnis but again if you are a Sunni Muslim you still have this problem right because I'll tell us for example one claim they would make is how can a man die for the sins of mankind you know wouldn't would that be fair well first of all we believe that according to the scriptures Jesus Christ says himself that he takes his life up and he raises up again so he made a willful choice to become her atoning lamb he made that choice knowing what would happen of course because he was God and being complete complicit with everything that happen but he was in human nature and that's why of course read him saying you know um father if this made this pass sorry if it if it Be Your Will made this C pass from me but let your will be done not mine and stuff like so he submits himself holy to God Muslims will say oh well there he was a Muslim it's like no he didn't submit himself to the god of Islam that was a demon okay but he submitted himself to the father of lights and through doing so he subjected his will to the father of course as he always would do and do he took his own life and Rose you up again okay but you still have a problem here because whether you're a Christian or a Muslim you still believe in some form of atonement and but the problem with Islam's atonement is just doesn't work for example let's read this right sa Muslim 2 2767 Abu Musa reported that Allan's messenger said when it will be the day of Resurrection Allah will deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say this is your rescue from Hellfire so simply put the um the rescue from of course the um because again like there are other Hadith which contradicts this had um which will say that of course that Muslims will go to hell and Muslims do believe they'll go to Hell by the way so many spoke to you say yeah we just go to hell briefly and we come out brother so that's not Justice though okay if you if you sin ruul you deserve the highest punishment there has to be a cleansing you can't go into righteousness uncleansed okay that's the problem you see um so what we're told is is when when it will be the day of Resurrection Allah will deliver to every Muslim a Jew or Christian and say that is your rescue from hell so there is a replacement the innocent Jew or Christian in this case is replaced from H is a replacement from Hell far for the Muslim and you're telling us you deny the atonement that doesn't make any sense why deny the atonement you see it's 40 in their presupposition um I'll stay longer than that mate it's more of an admired a bassard invention I'll say um I think it starts around in M califate it's an amalgamation of text what happens is there was a load of Traders um shipping the gospels and the prophets here and there through the Mediterranean I mean there's a quote from Arthur jeff which has been misquoted by a lot of Muslims stating that there were no New Testament texts through the medit tranan but then again then again how was there any how was it that for example Muhammad's cousin or Uncle um I was going to say b m I can't remember his name muham is Conant according tokari book one how was he an historian Christian if there were no texts from theorious you know and historious believed in the New Testament he believed in four gospels at least how was there an historian Christian at that time how were there any Christians in the Arabian peninsula where was the term Christian come from where was the term Nara come from if you look at things historically where did that come from okay they were claim that just like the chians for example the Quran will make claims that Christians worship of course Mary um the son and of course Allah we wouldn't claim that at all okay the C here's the weird thing the Catholics will claim that they don't they don't claim that but I would say within their cannons there seems to be this idolatry of Mary that's not afforded to Christ um but yeah generally speaking like the only indication that he's not God or Jesus is not God according to the Quran is that oh like God doesn't eat you see they eat food like come on he's called the word of God Surah 4 verse 171 okay so let's not kid ourselves uh but I'll just say this yeah um Islam was invented a bit longer than that I'll say at least 900 years after the writings that we have um the earliest Quran is like from the 9th century the or from like it's was dated earlier I don't know who Adam and green is dude I don't know who he is saying debate Adam green I don't know who Adam M green is yeah the earliest manuscripts we have are from at least like 9th century and that's the bming Musa which I've shown the screen is not historical so yeah um but there's there's others that get deep into this historical narrative I just simply point out the problems the contradictions in history and the contradictions between the Old Testament text and the Quran itself which claims to be a continuation of this religion okay um if I type in Adam green I bet you somebody's going to show up who wasn't even a debate I don't even know who you're talking about okay Adam green okay so are you talking about Adam green filmmaker Adam green singer songwriter because you told me Adam green who you talking about there's two Adam green musicians okay um Adam green IDM is an American director Riot producer know for his horror films like hatri and Frozen he's the creator of the community Series holist so you want me to debate a comedian and a filmmaker and a random folk singer oh he's on Rumble so let me look up Adam green Rumble Adam green Rumble um that Nows it down a bit because I don't know who this is okay um oh is a Jew well it looks like he's a Jew I don't know it says the architect honestly for the life of me I don't know I mean I've not been watching Rumble to be honest this is probably more uh there's no pens and things here bro just you know good cooking and um some random black guy with glasses That's it man no pings and Tings bro okay unfortunately maybe maybe one day there'll be ping and Tings in here but right now there's no ping and Tings there's no Penguins either you understand yeah man anyway um so yeah Adam green is here I don't know who he is um he um has a video here called the architect the architect I'm talking about the real owners now the real owners the big in man George Callin is the goto favor of the atheist like literally the goto favor of the atheist is the George Carin like who is God where does he come from I don't know where where where did he come from I don't know but he's he loves you he loves you what dude what based upon what Merit you have to claim that you're morally is superior than God especially George Carin some crazy old Fu he was doing ComEd and here's the thing look stop getting your ideologies from religions sorry not religions sorry stop getting your ideologies from comedians whose whole career is to say stupid people to make them laugh it's to say things to stupid people to make them laugh stop getting your ideology on intelligent things from comedians whose whole career is to make people laugh and say stupid things it's like you know I think the atheist refer to the court jester rather than the the philosopher every time they were at the king's cours they're like hold on hold on hold on but but wait let's get George Caren on this and everybody just looking around like but hold on we have Galileo Galilee here oh no let's get George Carling on this um Jazz again you have to show your face when you come in here okay uh you call yourself Jazz anyway yes my brother yes my okay I'll let you in you don't have to show your face the whole time you can obviously cover it if you want to I just need to see it okay um so if you want to if you want to cover your face you can do so before I let you up so do you want to do that up to you man cool cool how you doing Jo oh good man how you doing brother glory to Christ another good day man yes okay so so I heard sorry a I'm a Muslim all right yeah go ahead man so um yeah so I was I heard you say that you know the Quran uh affirms the Bible yeah so um what's your belief of the claim that M Muhammad made you believe that was what what stance do you hold on that he made multiple claims so which which claim do you think what claim you're talking about well he claims the Quran was revealed was revealed to him by God so do you believe that that's he's telling the truth basically well no I don't believe that I I I take the claims on the presupposition that the Quran is true but I'm not the one making the presupposition I'm just pointing out that the Quran is making a contradictory claim that the Quran confirms books that don't have any sort of quranic principles for example the idea that Jesus Christ is God or the idea that Jesus Christ died and rose again on the third day these are not quranic principles so I would say that's the contradiction say I don't need to affirm that what Muhammad has said is true in order to believe that the quran's in error for making claims about the Bible yeah but it's it's still hard for me to understand what your what you think then because it's just a simple question that do you do you what do you believe uh you know was the the reasoning behind Muhammad's claim that God revealed the Quran to him do you believe he was lying or you know what do you what do you think that was what do you think that phenomenon was because obviously he I believe I believe that the figure of Muhammad and well the figure of the Muhammad and Quran itself is just an admired invention in the 8th Century the admired caliphate were a group of people that come out of you know the Islamic expansion you know tals that were written way before Muhammad are integrated in the Quran it seems to me that the the people of his time maybe invented a figure or even believed this figure to be Jesus Christ and claimed this Messianic figure did this thing did that thing and received Revelation from allot I don't think there's any claim I don't know if you're Sunni or sh but I don't think there's any reason to claim that the Hadith are right regarding his claims that you know for example Muhammad met the angel Gabriel and cave and then Angel Gabriel over successive um years gave him Revelation I don't think there's any proof of that at all other than you know Muhammad making a claim and that's it yeah I I think it's it's a bit difficult to understand uh a Christian um you know using an opinion that the Quran affirms the Bible yeah it seems that you don't feel that the Quran is a reliable source of information so I don't understand why you would want to use that to affirm the Bible no as I just said to you before the reason why I would use it is because it's the presuppositional standard Muslims affirm because they're assuming is true I'm pointing out the Folly of it claiming books like the Torah and the gospel are valid when they claim things in the Torah and the gospel that are not valid within the quranic Corpus so that's the point I don't have to affirm that that what Muhammad said is true to show the Folly of the Islamic text claiming his thing you understand yeah but it doesn't make sense because you know you can obviously internal critique something but to use something as evidence to prove what you believe in it just doesn't make sense on any level to to use that I mean I I well I'm I'm not using it I'm not using it as evidence to prove the Bible I'm saying that it proves the Bible in its own presupposition that's the point if you are as a Muslim going to claim that the New Testament texts are corrupted and we shouldn't trust in them then you'd have to deny the Corpus of the Quran which tells by the way Muhammad to go and read the scriptures before him I'll simply claim why is it doing that and and if if it's the case that the Torah and the gospel which we have are not the Torah and the gospel and they haven't been preserved where are the Torah and where are the [Music] gospel you see the I mean I can't get into the gospels cuz we're just going to completely disagree on that I don't want to you know I think that's been gone over way too much but um yeah I don't know I just I still don't understand your position that's that's why I thought I'd come and ask you because you know I think Christians believe that Muhammad was deceived uh you know I believe he was I believe he was deceived yeah I don't believe he but then if you if you believe that then you know on I just don't understand on why on any level you would want to use the Quran to show a Muslim you know why that affirms the Bible you should you should use something else because you should always well the Quran is the deceived scripture it's because they're assuming it that's why would use it it's because they're assuming it that's why would use it so if if you don't assume it if you're a Hindu then I could just use your Gods to assume so if you if you're claiming oh we agree with your God like the Hindus do as multiple times they say that oh we believe in Jesus then I'll use that against them if you're a Muslim and you're affirming the old New Testament then I'll say that yeah that's literally what we believe okay prove that Muhammad was a prophet and prove that he is denying that this is the word of God because if he's denying that this is the word of God which he isn't the hadif or the um or the Quran if he's not denying it then we have a problem a contradiction within your text that's the point that's that's all I'm saying okay so Muslims aside do you believe that the Quran affirms the Bible is that what you believe I believe the Quran speaks of a text called the Torah and the gospel the only the only text we have that affirm a Torah and a gospel are the written word of the Bible which existed hundreds of years before there was even a Quran so affirming a Tor and a gospel oh so you do believe that the Quran affirms the go the Bible it's claiming to affirm the to in the gospel yeah yeah but it doesn't matter what it's claiming do you believe that is that something you believe personally I believe it's claiming to affirm the Torah and the gospel no you're you're avoiding the question I'm not I've answered your question okay this is how you answer the question if you said to me look do you think the Bible affirms the Quran I would say no you're not saying yes or no you're saying it claims to I'm not answering I'm not asking the question do you think the Quran claims to affirm the but I'm asking you do you think you sorry your name's jonno right yeah my name's Jon yeah so I want to know does jono think the Quran affirms the Bible yes or no and I just you're ask for you're ask for it's an sorry it's an equivocation fallacy it just doesn't work okay so first the Bible does not in any way okay so the Bible doesn't anywhere CL that there will be these texts called the Quran it doesn't make that claim it's not claiming these things all throughout the New Testament it's not claiming these things at all is not claiming that thereafter there is a Jesus other than the Jesus presented in the narrative it's not claiming that there'll be this future Prophet who will be called Muhammad who will do X and X and Y and Y it's not making his claim the Quran is making the claim that there are previous scriptures and that Muhammad is found these scriptures the only historical witness we have of a Torah and gospel is the ones we have today so the Quran is making that claim so do I believe the Quran is making that claim yes but I'm not asking do you think the Quran is making that claim you know what you're doing jonno you know what you're doing you're very good at it I'll give it to you you're good at dodging the questions but I haven't dodged a question you are you're definitely dodging it I literally just answer the question it's not it's not answering my question okay this is the question you answered do you think the Quran claims to affirm the Bible that's the question you answered I'm asking you do you think the Quran affirms the Bible you're telling me the Quran claims it does because of X Y and Z but I'm not answer I'm not asking you that question the Quran is making a claim I don't make claims the Quran does okay I'm not asking you to make a claim I'm asking you that's it I'm just asking you do you think do you believe it what was your stance not the Quran stance or whatever other stance I'm asking you what do you think my my stance is the Quran is a false book and that nobody should believe in it okay that's my stance now we're getting somewhere so your answer is no basically no that's not what I said I said take from it because makes I mean if you want to do look if you want to take from what I've said something that I've not said that's up to you but the Quran is making a claim that there's a Tor and gospel you still haven't dealt with what I said okay you seem to be stuck on semantics okay the point is it's a loaded term okay you can't use the fact that the Bible confirms the Quran because it never does the Quran claims to be affirming the Torah and the gospel that's the difference you see that you're not you're not getting past this sort of block of oh well you're not saying this exact word yes for a reason because of what the quran's claiming yeah but the the Quran claims a lot of things that you you obviously would disagree with so that's not it's not the point is it but on this very point that you've just mentioned the Quran claims that the Torah and the gospel was sent down so the question is what was the Torah and the gospel well we could just look at history but the yeah but the point I'm trying to make to you is you don't believe the Quran is a you know is valid right you're a Christian so it means in general you mean I can't do an eternal critique of the Quran no you can of understand what's going on here of course I can do an internal critique of the crime without believing it yeah of course you can but at the same time yeah of course you can but at the same time you shouldn't be using it uh to say that the Quran affirms the Bible according to what standards you're AR using it I'm using your Paradigm against you yeah but you don't believe my Paradigm so it doesn't make I don't have to believe your Paradigm to use it against you don't how argument Works dude no no no I can use your against you you can use it to to you know to display internal critique of course you can but you can't use it to affirm something you believe in when you don't believe in that you should you should use that you should just be like I'm not you're confusing so again I'm not saying that the Quran is the standard of why I trust the Bible I would say Jesus Christ and the apostles are why I trust the Bible and the narrative therein okay I'm not claiming that what I'm claiming is the Quran is making the claim that there's a Torah and a gospel that's what I'm claiming and if it is that's an eternal critique of the Quran itself and that would render the Quran useless because it contradicts itself and it contradicts PRI scriptures that's the point okay so from your point of view the Quran does not affirm the Bible but you're trying to show me it does from my point I didn't say it doesn't affirm the Bible I said the Quran clearly affirms the Bible and that's what you believe yes and it makes the claim that it's affirm in the Bible so yeah so you believe it because it's making the claim so you believe I don't believe the Bible because of the Quran dude how much times I got to tell you what I'm saying you believe you believe that the Quran is correct in that sense because it's making the claim no then wa wait wait wait hold on wait so what you're trying to say is because the Quran is confirming the Bible that I believe that the that the god of the Quran is correct in this assertion no what it seems okay so from from my perspective what it seems like is that basically you're a Christian you don't believe the Quran is a reliable source of information so it's just confusing that you will use the Quran to say or you would even say that the Quran affirms the Bible here we can see it says this it's confusing for I'm saying that's an internal critique of your position you're not listening it's an eternal critique of your position okay I do not believe that the Quran validates the Bible in any way I'm saying your Quran claims to confirm it that's the problem if it's confirming a book that has a man die and rise again and according to your very same book that man did not rise die and rise again but he was taken up to Al that is a contradiction and the Quran say it not really believed it doesn't say that he wasn't it just says that it appears so to you guys that that happened it doesn't say you guys it says to the Jews yeah he said he did not die you know I mean it just it appears so to to you know it said he did not die that's what he literally says in the text it says he did not die at all and he was raising up toot but Jesus himself says in Mark 13 that he will die and he will Rose rise again so that's a contradiction a contradiction in the Quran or the Bible well that's a contradiction in the Quran because the quran's false yeah exactly that's what I'm saying that's that's your that's your point of view so I mean for example I would never use the Bible to affirm the Quran the Quran is not internally affirming the Bible dude you're not you're not listening the quran's not affirming the Bible internally you're sorry sorry my bad the Bible is not affirming the Quran internally the Quran is affirming the Bible internally that's the difference Allah has claimed he sent down these books we've got these books when we read these books they don't speak of this Allah you believe in look I mean even if in the Bible this is the point right even if in the Bible it's said clear in black and white writing um Christians should should read the Quran it's also uh you know a book sent down from God I don't believe anything the Bible says so I wouldn't even use that as an internal critique against you because I can't I just can't use or rely on the Bible even if it's said that in black and white writing in the Bible you read I still wouldn't use that against you because I just don't believe in that well that's the thing you would have to believe in the Bible First in order to make that critique you see that's the difference so you believe in the Quran then that's what you no I don't believe in the Quran because I'm not Mak I'm making internal critique of your own Prophets The Bible to make that claim but I don't because I'm making Eternal critique of your Prophet your Prophet claims that the Quran even even even according to the sun bro if you're a Sunni you have to believe that the Torah is something that was sent down by Allah because even Muhammad himself says I believe in you and the one who sent you that's just the case he himself was claiming that these things were sent down not me so that's the Eternal critique I'm doing I'm not using it to prove oh therefore the Bible is true because the Quran says so that's not what I've said anywhere in this conversation yeah but you're you're doing an internal critique when I'm just asking you question and I just want you to answer that's that's the point you're you're good right I get I see your game m i i get it have a nice day have a nice day I I don't have I don't have time for that he just he's just ignoring it if you don't understand logic reason dude why are you on the stream it is basic logic and reason if you don't understand it get lost you can't deny that the scriptures are affirmed in the Bible That's the sorry in the Quran that's the issue you just can't deny it what is with these arguments they're really crappy they're just like well you know you know you must believe in the Quran then because you know you've claimed that the Quran claims that the the Tor the gospel are sent down no that's what your Prophet said that's what your Prophet said what is wrong with you look look God bless the guy you know we're not going to be trying to get into you know um any aggro with people but yeah just don't make stupid arguments please um they're stupid it's a stupid argument it just doesn't work okay circular reason as well oh so apparently because I claim the Eternal critique that the Quran is claiming that it was sent down by sorry that the the scriptures were sent down by Allah all of a sudden I confirm all no no no I have to confirm all to do so I just simply have to critique the position that he's claiming that's it um anyway we've got s here I think I spoken to S before how you doing s hello sir how you doing John brother John oh glory to Christ and another a good day bro all right how you doing bro all right brother I have a question about uh about nature of God yeah go ahead yeah God was always a man or he became a man um God became a man so he incarnated in the um first century ad maybe fourth Century ad okay so now he's a man uh so he is going to stay man forever or he's going to change back to the his original form well Christ eternally lives in a um eternally glorified body you can see this at the end of John 21 um he's in a body he even says to um Mary of course Muslims use this all the time they'll say do not touch me for I go to my God your God my father and your father he says this in John 2017 so yeah he literally exists eternally in a glorified body and this is actually mirrored in the Old Testament where you read Daniel um 7: 13-4 that the son of man goes to the throne and sits beside the Ancient of Days you can see this in Psalm 110 as well where um God says to Jesus sit here by my side till I make your enemies my footstool and obviously David calls Jesus his Lord because David believed that Jesus go Christ was God himself so yeah um it's very clear that Jesus lives in a glorified body so now God is in a human body and he's going to stay that way yeah God God the son is eternally in a human body yes um but the human body is not like our body it's an eternal body a glorified body so in a lot of ways it's not human human beings can die human beings can perish but Christ's body his form cannot change it cannot perish it's Eternal and eternally exist in this form which is of course you know his um glorified body forever so he no longer a human now or he is still a human well I mean he he is in terms of his look when you look upon Christ you probably think that's a human but he is in a glorified body um you know he is in a glorified body one that is corrupt sorry Incorruptible so technically he wouldn't be human in the sense that we are but he is eternally human in the sense of he has a formed body that is created but Incorruptible and incorporable in many sense yeah no no what I want to know when he be God became a human being so he have to do like the way woman do like he have to eat food right he have to sleep that's what yes he has to sleep he has to eat Yes We believe We Believe God slept we believe God ate there's no we don't deny that that's just the truth of the Bible yeah so now he he's no longer here he left where he was so now he's still yeah go on go on go on go on yeah yeah he is still eating food sleeping all those things he's doing what human do no no he's he's in a glorified form as I said before so in his glorified form he is Incorruptible so he doesn't perish he's not subject to eating like his digestive system like is not there it's more so that he is in a glorified form now he doesn't he's he's not perishable so he doesn't have to rely on sustenance to eat and he doesn't have to sleep to regenerate his his body his body is pure and it's Incorruptible our bodies are corruptible meaning we can die we get hungry we need to sleep that's the difference yeah but but he still he has a organs like a human beings right he still have all the organ like human being have in a lot of Senses yes but we're not told I know just God's revelation we're not told in every way that he had every organ but yeah in every sense yeah he had organs he had a body it just isn't like USS in the sense that it is Incorruptible so it's Eternal it doesn't eat it doesn't sleep okay yeah that's just the case yeah yeah but the our organ they have function that's why we have the organ to you know for heart F to uh pump the blood that's why we have a function for heart and the kidney they clean the urine uh you know the all the that lungs we have to take oxygen so Jesus as I said to you before we're not told whether he has functioning organs or not we're just told he has a glorified body um but yeah there still there's no claim that he could have had functioning organs although he did eat and we can clearly see that there's no claim that he had functioning organs but rather he was an internal body now this interal body could have had functioning organs to the point where blood pumped through it and it eternally pumped or that you know his orans can be used that when he eats it can go through a digestive system we that that's evidently clear we that that could be the case um but that's his glorified form that doesn't deny the godness of God though God remains Eternal self-sufficient God is Not subject to death himself although God did die on the cross he's not subject to death complete destruction of um the material being he's not subject to that and that's what you're assuming when you talk to me yeah yeah you know his father he he does not have a human body only the son have a human body so father is is in the original form father is in the original form only no we don't believe that God changed form we don't believe that God changed form we believe that Jesus Christ did not change his form he entered creation but his spirits didn't change his spirit is always God eternally and unchanging that's the hypostatic union between he became Spirit of the son but he became a human being but his Spirit doesn't become a human being okay that's the hypothetic Union right this is just the basics of theology you know hundreds of years before there was even a Quran this is what people discuss that you know during NAA and even after NAA in in Constantinople 385 people discuss the fact that Christ nature um has a hypostasis a union between the Flesh and between the spirits okay and what we just say is there was no mixture these these the nature of the spirit and the um the nature of the body is not sorry the nature of the spirit and the nature of the body is not divided okay but they're not mixed meaning that Christ's spirit is not mixed with his flesh but they are all eternally God and that's just the case yeah yeah so God still look like a human being or not yeah yeah God God God so God looks like a human being but his nature is God he is eternal he is immutable um he transcends all time or matter all space God remains God but is still inhabiting a humanlike fessel that is obviously Incorruptible you can say God look like a human being second that's you can say God look like a human being I can say that Jesus Christ is God looks like a human being yes okay um yeah yeah okay okay thank you brother I appreciate taking me and I believe brother I believe uh be Christian Christian Muslim uh Jew uh Hindus anyone believe in God and do righteous deed you know good good work and all will go to paradise regardless of religion that's my well that's not what the Bible says see you see the thing is we still need to be reconciled to the father you see we've wronged God in our sin and as the more we've lied stolen which I've done I've I've broken all the Ten Commandments lied cursed your parents or insulted your parents or or disobeyed your parents or if you've um committed adultery as long as you've done these things even if you've done them once you've committed a sin that is worthy of death and separation from God the only way to be reconciled to God is through Jesus Christ that's the point that's the reason why he became flesh in the first place so that he could take on the nature of Adam the first man that sinned and instead live a perfect life now that he's done that his blood becomes a cleansing for us he becomes the reconciliation for us to the father so that's the difference you know if uh if I became a Christian uh if I do the wrong thing it still be I the safe person well well here's the thing when you say do wrong thing people do wrong things all the time you see the Bible tells us in James 2 if you've broken one of the sins you've broken them all so even if today you look that something you shouldn't looked at maybe online or maybe you lied to somebody you know or maybe you were angry with somebody okay according to the Bible you've broken one of the sins you've broken all of them okay so technically you would be damed to Hell unless you had Christ you see we don't live without sin rather Christ in us sanctifies us okay we don't live for sin anymore we live for Christ does that mean we don't sin of course we we we sin all the time but we don't live for sin that's the difference between a Muslim and me is that you guys are unfortunately still living in sin because you're breaking the first and greatest Commandments you do not love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul [Music] okay before God created human being Adam and Adam and Eve did he knew the thing I'm creating I have to die for this creature so again say it very slowly I didn't really hear what you said there yeah you my question is God created before he created Adam and Eve did God knew this creat I have to die for this creature for they're going to do sin and I have to die for this creature yeah of course God knew the Plan of Salvation God did not create robots so God knew what humankind were going to do so he knew I have to die okay so you see I me but I want to ask you a question so turning to your theology now because you've mentioned you know the fact that you obviously you don't agree with the idea of God becoming a man in any sort of sense okay so I ask you okay so then what do you do with the fact that the Quran says that Allah has a all has two right hands are all's hands the same as his shin you know Quran Allah in the Quran said there are metaphoric language and there are clear so there if God said there is a he has a hand I mean he he created by his own hand you know he said in the one he created Adam by his own hand you know sh is his hand like my hand is is it hand like my hand no no no no no this is a just a metaphoric language to make to understand he does Doan say that that verse is metaphor uh because there are other verses he said about the nature of himself he said he's a light this light come within from him he is just a light if you look at the god you will see only light nothing but light he does not look like he has a hand leg Shin ey you will not see if you see the god you not going to see him anything except well the doesn't say that Allah is only light but it also says he has a shin two feet and even Accord to Hadith which I know they say he has two right eyes and that he came in the form of a boy that's according to Hadith at least Allah describ himself what he is he's Al you talk feet hands and a shin when he speak when when Allah is speaking to people bro is he speaking to people so that that so that they will understand what he means yeah yeah yeah so okay so when he says hand and shin to a beding culture in the seventh century when he says that Allah has a hand okay bro who do what how do you think they would be able to interpret it other than their actual hand look look we Muslim never say God God look like a human being okay what we imagine about God we imagine God as a light nothing but light this the Quan says nothing but light well in the in the Quran he described himself about the metaphorically he is described and he said the light come within from him he's like a light bu okay if you see God he like a son like like a son asan son if you see God you will see light coming from that that from within God like a son we wouldn't deny that though even in the Bible for example 1 Timothy 6:16 will say that Jesus Christ dwells in an in immutable light that no man has seen or can see so we believe that God is light we believe that God is eternal and all these things but Jesus has a hand so the question is does Allah have an actual hand like mine if he doesn't where's where does the Quran state that Allah hand is a metaphor no those are just a Met look look the you said the Quran doesn't say that though you just made up yeah okay let me explain to about how God created thing okay he he does not use the to create the universe okay he does not use hand to create the universe the planets all those galaxy everything human being he does not use hand to created thing he only come the U being and it is when he planed to create something he said be and it is so he only did he form Adam from his hands no no there are other places it says I said to him be and it is okay he he obviously formed Adam from his hands didn't he he formed it from the dust his no no he said in the in the how he created about the Jesus he said come be and it is he was there no he didn't even say that in the Quran either right he didn't say created Jesus being his in Surah 16 sorry 66 verse2 or Surah Alim verse2 it tells us that Jesus Christ was blown into his mother into Hera which is the Arabic word for vagina he was literally blown into her vagina by Allah that's what it says I I will give you about uh okay similarity between Jesus and and Adam yeah Surah three right yeah I know what verse you're talking about I think Surah 3 25 off the top of my head I could be wrong 28 maybe okay uh 359 359 I'm reading 359 indeed the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam he created him from dust then he said to him be and he was so this is how God created things not God does not have hand to create a thing the universe so if he doesn't have hands then the Quran is wrong no those are metaphoric language but it doesn't say metaphorical language remember you've mentioned Jesus being created being is even the passage you brought which affirms my position by the way because we believe that Adam is similar to Jesus even one Corinthians 15 will mention this okay he was he he wasn't created similar to Jesus but he is similar to Jesus in the fact that he has flesh okay even that verse is saying that it's not saying that Jesus was created the same way because Jesus wasn't created being is he wasn't created at all according to CR Surah Alim you can go to yourself Surah 66 verse2 literally tells us that Jesus Christ himself was blown into Mary's far he was blown into Mary's for no just a fact no no no no that's that's what it says I mean I'm I'm not telling you anything else God don't need to blow in the vagina okay God just that's the AR word God come and it happened God don't I could do you want me to show you on screen because it seems if you're not getting this okay this is what Allah says I I didn't make this up it's I didn't write the Quran that's what that's what you are understanding and it wasn't even that God blowing it was the GI who do that the Angels do that and the so the angels can give life now yeah God give like God gave the permission to Jesus to raise the dead from life no we cannot hear you your voice is go your voice is not coming no no I cannot hear you oh my bad yes so show me where the Quran claims that Jesus was blown into Mary by and remember very important by jabil and that jabil was given the permission to do so can you show that yeah yeah every human being born by the Angels the angel put life into the baby when they grow up in the mother room where's the Quran say that they were given permission to do that yeah yes yes in the Quran every life where does it say that look in Quran uh taker of Life are angels and that The Giver of Life also Angel by the permission of God which verse is that uh there are many of them but right now I don't have those but there is yeah that's what I mean you're not you're not actually claiming the truth of it wa what wait wait no no no dude dude s let's calm down okay so there's no verse that actually states that the Angels give life and they take away life only the Quran says that the gods or Allah takes life and he brings life that's what the Quran says in chap Allah used the angels to do that job it is the Quran the Quran does say that yes but I don't say I don't believe that he used them I believe the Angels did it by themselves and I can show you that even in s 1916 to19 the spirit Spirit says to Mary I will give your son he doesn't say anything about angels giving a son no he says I will give you a son look look he does say Allah will give you son yeah Jes really look look Jesus wrote people from Death this is by the permission of Allah not by the Jesus not by the angel but you're changing the subject my friend okay so the point is you made a claim about angels giving life that's not even quranic you made up your own Quran that you said that Angels give life dude that's not in Quran no no no no no permission of Allah Allah where does it say that in Quran yes yes yes it is in the Quran the life the taker of the death is are the angel and Giver of the life to in the mother who is the Angel okay so show me the verse please that's what I'm waiting for have you got a verse chapter verse right now I do not have right now with me well I mean if you can't look up while you're looking up I'm going to show you this okay so remember you mentioned early on about me me making up that you know the spirit was breathed into obviously Jesus was breathed into Mary but is this is what it says and Mary daughter of Imran this is chapter 66:2 and Mary daughter of Imran whose body was chased therefore we breathed therein something of our spirit we refers to Allah breathed therein something of our spirits and she put Faith In the words of her Lord and his scriptures and was obedient so who who breathed into Mary that was Allah proving my point that that Jesus wasn't created being is he was breathed into Mary okay okay you know every child born in this world the angel breathe into that when the baby grow the fetus grow the life put the angel put the life into that baby every time where's where's it say angel where does it say angel it says we doesn't say angel where did she get angel from Angel says we angel angel do those things where but so you're saying the we here is an angel uh probably that's why Allah use V because Angel do that work Allah appointed angels to do this work oh I stuck for so the angels are we so when Allah says we it's Angel yes it's possible look oh okay that okay look you can ask any Muslim who take our life Angel took away our life okay this is the god appointed angels to do this job so every time the the Quran uses we or ours it refers to the angels yeah possibly possibly that but Allah created angels okay it's not Angel are not part of Allah okay so let's see if you'll keep that claim okay so remember everybody watching he said that every time the Quran says we it's referring to Allah and the angels okay so what about this then okay this is the I've gone to it it's on screen is Surah 17 verse1 it says glorified be he who carried his servant By Night from the inviable place of worship to the far distant place of worship okay it says glorified be he who is the he here oh God does not have a gender okay he's not no I'm asking I didn't ask has a genda I ask you a basic question who is the he here oh it says I cannot read you you know it's very SM oh okay let me let me um let me put it up a bit okay you should be able to read can you see it now okay let me see let me make a bigger okay okay um this is as big as I can make it because it's I can't read now right now glory to Allah who did take his servant for a journey by oh sorry sorry sorry that was wrong that was wrong place this was 17 one I want you to read here so just read from here okay glorify be he who carry his servant By Night from the inable place of worship to the for for distance place of worship the neighbor neighborhood thereof we have blessed the we might show him of our token Lo he only he is the hearer and Seer who is who is he who's being glorified it says glorified be he who carried his servant who is the he Glory glorify to be to he who carry his yeah that's that's the god that's good okay thank you thank you so much for proving okay now let's read on okay so it says glorified be he who carried his servant by the night from the invaluable place of worship to the far distant place of worship the neighborhood where of we have blessed that we might show him our tokens who is the we here says we have blessed you possibly Allah counting the angels too so the angels can also bless they they are working for Allah so Allah count them to I guess so so on the angels can bless and they can show him of the all tokens so when the Angels speak also speaks also so Allah has Partners no Allah Allah cre Allah has Partners list angels are not part of God Allah created we why is he called we why is he partnered with the angels that's maybe because of they are doing a job so he count them why does it say I and the angels why does Allah call himself we with all the angels that doesn't make any sense no no because they are doing the job so so the angels can bless that's what you said the angels can Bless yeah what's the problem with that if bless it and they can show him our token so they're also showing the servant the blessing mean what giving a favor wow wow that's S I ain't going to lie that's some that's some um I don't know I don't that's that's tough Fury worthy man I have a little bit different uh belief like I have different opinion about Islam and the Quran like that means you've got a you've got Trinity bro well you've got more than a trinity because you believe that the angels part of no no no God is yeah they can bless they can give life look look God used Prophet to send message to us so that mean that does not mean a prophet are part of God yeah but he doesn't say we with the prophets he said I sent my prophet prophet he doesn't say we with the prophet when he speaks M he doesn't say we I we Muhammad and I he doesn't say that but you're claiming he says that of the Angels when every time Angels say they also working they also working in this so God probably use them give them credit okay so work with me okay so the angels can give life what right the angels can give life no no no no they cannot God created them what you just said weed right so I can find you a passage where it says we give life and take away life I can show you a passage that says that oh I don't know what you're talking about let me let me show you one minute let me show you okay okay okay um I think it's Sur 2 okay okay okay see the the other sunnis will say this is you know U this is a plural Majesty but yeah yeah I I also thought about the royal royal V but I think God giv the you know credit to the angel to wow so like the angels have the ability to give life then no no God gave them power okay to do things so God is one he has no partner whatsoever God angels only work for him yeah he has Partners in giving life and he has Partners in living as well no God give Authority God gave them authority to do that wow okay then God can Destroy Angels God created angel he can Destroy Angels he don't God is not dependent on Angel okay let me show you this okay cuz that that that's that's where it just breaks down it's it's bad enough that the angels can bless okay and they are working giving a favor not necessarily no what favor has been done in that passage blessing means what blessing means what not in that passage no it doesn't say anything about just giving a favor no blessing can be a reward from on high it can be a reward Sent From Heaven it doesn't always mean a doing some of a favor it doesn't always mean that okay and that's why and that's how it's being used in sah 171 anyway let me show you this year okay um so I think it's here oh man okay in fact can get to this first and then I'll go to the other one okay whosoever does right whether male or female and is a Believer him verily we shall Quicken with a good life and we shall pay them a recompense in proportion to the best of what they used to do is this all and the angels no no this is Allah wait hold on you said the we refers to Allah sorry you said the we refers to the angels at an you know like I said Allah used Angel to do work for the human being so Allah may have given them a credit they also hold on hold on you said that every time Allah says we he's referring to Allah and the angels every time he refers to we is referring to himself and the angels I've shown you it says we shall Quicken with good life and shall pay them a recompense in a proportion to the best of what they used to do so who are the ones judging him according to you the ones that are judging the Believers is Allah and the angels okay let let me read it whosoever doesn't write whether male or female and is a Believer him very we shall cooken with good life and we shall pay them and we shall pay them a compass in proportion to the best of what they used to do you know like I said Allah may have given because Angel also going to work in the in heaven okay so Allah may have given them credit for what work they are doing but Allah is that does that's not talking about credit of doing work it's talking about them judging again I thought the Quran states that Allah alone judges or at least according to Sun Islam that's the case but according to that's not the case because the one who judges good life and gives the recompense to the proportion of the bests of what they used to do the one who judges the human man who a Believer is also Allah and the angels according to you which would be sh you're your attributing partn to Allah no no we our we believe there is only one God and S self-sufficient okay he's not self-sufficient no no no he's self-sufficient he's using he's not he's relying upon the Angels no no he's using he does not want to involve in everything so he making somebody to work for him yeah he's relying upon the Angels God he's not self-sufficient he's relying upon no no no God used Prophet to give send the message to the public so Prophet are God using to the prophets the human being to do work for him same way Angel also God using angel to do work for him but nowhere did it say the angels are doing work for him rather it says we and you said every time we as used it's referring to Allah and Angel so Allah is attributing you know the same authority of himself to the angels when he says we why God does not say that of angels He says that of the Triune godhead that's why in the Old Testament it says in genesis: 126 let us make man in our image but in your Quran it just says we that doesn't make any sense okay you also have a believe in angels right yeah but I don't believe they partners with God no no no just answer my question do you believe in angels yes okay you believe in does God used them to do some work for him yes but he doesn't claim their partners he the same no it isn't the same thing because your God is saying we in reference to Angels according to you make it sure God is giving credit to them because they are working with the human being so he's giving he's he's giving his own Royal royality he's giving his own Essence in a lot of ways no to the Angels by saying we because he says this is a collective you know when you use the term we by the way I don't know if you're an English native but when you use the term we you're referring to the group this is a plural term it means referring to the collective so when Allah says we he means every single person in there did that thing so according to the Quran Allah gives life so do the Angels Allah judges people so do the angels that is that is literally Sher that is partners with Allah he says he has no Partners but here he clearly has Partners according to you that's sh yeah you know God gave Jesus to power to raise the people from the dead but does not mean Jesus doing the raising people to dead by himself God gave him power the issue is you have you have multiple gods in your religion you don't have you have one God we don't believe that we don't believe that I don't look you don't believe in the Quran look I'm I'm literally going to show you you do have multiple go so explain this explain this you've already told me look look s you've already told me yeah that the angels are partners with Allah there's no way to get around that if they're giving life with Allah and they're judging with Allah then they are literally partners with there's no way to get around they have the attributes of Allah Angel a servant of Allah a prophet are servant of Allah right and yet they're still partners with Val they are not so angels can give life but they're just partners just servants servant but they're given life how's that work look God if God want to destroy all the angel all the prophet he can do it yeah and he says only he gives life so now you've got contradiction Allah says only he gives life yet the Angels given life with him he permission by his permission he used Angel to give life he doesn't say permission dude you're making it up he doesn't say permission doesn't say permission no way does it say permission but anyway look let's let's let's get to this okay so I'm going to prove to you you you guys have more than just one God let me show you this okay you can say you can say whatever you want but we don't say with our mouth okay so I mean look I mean a lot of these a lot of these translations try to hide it uh okay so here's one good translation here okay because helan KH can't really cover it up but it says this they took their rabbis and their monks I'm I'm going to ignore these because they've been added okay they took their rabbis and their monks to be their Lords besides Allah okay I'm going to ignore that because that's been added and and Messiah the Son of Mariam while they were commanded in the Torah and to worship number one God so hold on why does it just think about this why does the Quran say they took rabbis and monks as Lords besides Allah and the Messiah you you making your Rabbi and monks Authority that's what it means you making besides Jesus and all what it says besides Jesus and Allah I'm ignoring these bits they've been added okay you are also making mons and Rabbi as your Authority beside Allah and yeah yes you also making Ms and priest Rabbi Authority yeah besides Allah and the Messiah that mean that Allah and the Messiah so you're not following the argument so it says here that they took rabbis and monks as Lords so Lord or RI in this case would be God Authority right yeah besides Allah and the Messiah Allah and the Messiah are grouped into to those people who you should take authority to okay according to this verse rabbis and monks are grouped in the position of those who should take authority from you understand where I'm coming from so what it says is they took their rabbis and monst to be Lords besides Allah and the Messiah why would your God say that if he was just one person one God no no you people take Rabbi mons as a Authority beside Allah also you take God Authority your Ms and your priest thatby and God as a Authority you include mons and rabis as a Authority okay do you think this is talking about me so this verse will be talking about Jews and Christians right yeah yes yes okay so we'll be talking about me okay why does the verse say that I'm taking these two priests the Lords and the priests besides Al and the Messiah remember Al and the Messiah are connected together by the things we should should take as Authority why does it say that if it's not referring to Allah and Messiah as the same grouping of Lords yeah the only thing that mean in this Ayah is you also make a equal Authority amongs and the prab as equal to the god Authority go on who God on who what God and who the rabbi and the mons the priest no no no no no no you're ignoring it you keep doing it okay God and who it says the it says the Lord and the Messiah and the Messiah says and they also took the Messiah it doesn't say they took their rabbis and their monks and Jesus as Lords besides Allah it says they took their rabbis and their monks to be laws beside Allah and the Messiah so we not it's not just Allah we're talking about we're talking about also Jesus why does Allah Think Jesus Is God why does he think he's a god make it clear he's just a human being God does not have a son Allah make clear all that so you cannot say go Jesus is God's son or he's also a god you cannot say we can based upon the new testament which is the authority like we don't really accept Quran does not say he's Son of God or he's a part of God does not say that but that's irrelevant because I've already shown you a verse where it clearly says they've taken as Lords priests and rabbis besides if Messiah isn't God that wouldn't make any linguistic sense that's the point I'm trying to make yeah so yeah that's the point it doesn't make any linguistic sense if I say you let's say look I'm going to give you an example okay okay let's say there's policemen at the door right two policemen right s two policemen okay and there's two firemen at the door okay and I say to you you s have taken these two policemen as two firemen what you think I've done no I I I don't think I understand you question oh man so look it's it's just as simple as this okay in linguistics right it's basic English okay when we place two nouns together they generally denote the same thing in terms of the subject when it says they've taken us Lords the rabbis and the monks it stops there and it says besides or next to I can use the words next to Allah and the Messiah Allah and the Messiah are grouped over here in the ones you should take as Authority Al and the Messiah are the god the Lords and the rabbis are not the gods Allah is saying you're taking the laws and the rabbis or the the rabbis and the priests as Lord over me and the Messiah yeah yeah so you agree with that yes that's what Allah saying that's sh that's sh bro that's that's sh bro sh 100o also making Rabbi and the priest mounts Authority you're a cath like me you you become a you become un believer like me you might as well become a Christian submit to Jesus Christ literally just commit sh you commit sh bro I I don't have to become a Christian you don't have to become a Muslim if you no you do if you want to be saved no no no no Quran said Quran said you have to follow Christian have to follow the Bible and the Jew have to follow their Old Testament and Muslim have to follow Quran Allah no the Quran said we should be forced we should be forced to pay a tax to be for being a Christian tax you have to pay tax tax you have to pay everybody pay I pay you pay tax every but not for a religious ideology no we should have to pay a tax for being religion no you have to pay tax to author you know whatever whoever run the government you have to pay tax that's not the right but it's not talking about government it literally is telling all Muslims fight the unbelievers until they feel themselves subdued and pay the jiza tax yeah yes tax Muslim also have to pay taxes it's not just yeah but they're not being fought against that's the point I I you're what you're what the Quan is saying is that you're supposed to be fighting me until I ever play the or I submit to Islam No No do yes you have to pay taxes you have to pay taxes you don't have to look there is a ay in the Quran Allah say when Jewish people are coming to Prophet Muhammad for advice or for dispute you know to take a judgment from a dispute so God Allah say in the Quran why these Jew are coming to you Prophet while they have Torah Old Testament in their hand and Allah judgment in that Old Testament why they are to you why is why is Allah judg wait why is your god judging by a book that contradicts him what that no no no God's judging there is a still there is a truth in it there is a judgment God want you to follow the Tor what you mean no it all has to be true it all has to be true it can't all be false there can't be some bits of false there even Christian agree there is a truth inside and some man also wrote something out to in the Bible it is Christian no no what Christian believes this whatever Christian is like defy me him man me this there is a human writing there is a word of God in the Bible New Testament and the old test they also have mix of man and the god writing no we believe it's all inspired by God 2 Timothy 316 called yeah you you you believe Bible have been inspired why would that you know theel Prophet Isa he wrote itel okay he has wrote himself God taught him to reading and writing and he wrote theel by himself it doesn't say that either it says he received the angel it doesn't say he wrote it himself no no God taught Jesus writing of the Torah and the uh Old Testament and the New Testament God taught him no it says he received it it said it came down as Revelation no no he God gave him he thought Jesus Torah and the gospel and the wisdom not taught him gave him how do you think he gave him and the whole Angel Jesus wrote it by himself okay the Quran says he wrote it yeah yeah yeah he wrote it when God saying Bible the book he gave to him that mean he wrote the Bible later on later on you people added some other author you all those things they the Quran says that Allah's words can't be changed that's the point right so you're saying we added Allah word cannot change what he said that's and he cannot change but the book you have you can mix it whatever you want no doesn't say we can mix either look let me read this to you okay it says here this is Surah 3:55 and or Surah Ali Imran 55 it says and remember when Allah said oh Jesus Lo I'm gathering you and causing you to ascend unto me or to come to me and I'm cleansing you of those who disbelieve and I'm setting those who follow you above those who disbelieve until the day of Resurrection then unto me you will all returned and I shall judge between you as to wherein you used to differ so it clearly says that those who follow Jesus will will be above those who disbelieve until the day of Resurrection yes yes yes that's true but we are understanding is wrong but how can anybody follow Jesus if if thep corrupted according to Allah we Muslim that was my you're not ask my question how can anybody follow Jesus if the scriptures are corrupted I'm answering your question what Allah said what Allah say about we Muslim follow Jesus he believe in one God he's a messenger you follow him you people do not follow him that's what the Quran means that you're just you're telling me what you believe I'm asking you a simple question that's the the Quran says that those who follow Jesus we made the uppermost do you follow Jesus yes we follow Jesus we believe in Jesus where does Jesus say anywhere in the Quran follow Muhammad look look Jesus what Jesus believe he believe there is a one God he doesn't believe in Trinity we believe in one God so we follow him that's how sorry sorry you're assuming too much okay where does the Quran say follow sorry where does Jesus say follow Muhammad say the Shah pray five times a day whatever become a Quran un where does Jesus say that himself in the CR Look Look what Jesus say is there is one God your God my God believe one God as well yeah yeah so but you you are God is a trinity butus the Trinity Jesus God wasn't the Trinity so we are the follower we are going to be the majority in future you're missing the point okay the point is that it says that those who follow Jesus will be made the uppermost okay Muslims are not you're you're assuming that Muslims are following Jesus because they believe in one God satanists believe in one God do satanists follow Jesus Christ no no no no Satan they are Satanist they are not follower of God okay so then there's a difference between Allah and Satan then isn't it yeah so the god of Allah is not same God as Satan So when you say that Jesus follows one God that's not his message even the Quran doesn't claim that it says those who follow Jesus doesn't say those who follow Allah will be the uppermost it says those who follow Jesus will be the uppermost look so you don't follow Jesus Jesus Jesus said Trinity he doesn't say there is a one God he said there is a one God you're you're running off into a pmic I'm trying to get you to answer this basic question chapter 355 of the Quran clearly says that those who follow Jesus will be the uppermost to those who disbelieve or lack Faith question is who's following Jesus because it can't be Muslims because Muslims don't follow Jesus no no muslim follow one God we pray we bow down to God we PR Jesus Jesus prate to God do you pray to Jesus did he prostrate to God how could anybody follow Jesus if they don't know him this is the problem you said it says look your Quran says until the day of Resurrection they will follow Jesus okay if Jesus Christ is with Allah according to your Quran okay how could I follow Jesus when he's not there okay how could I follow Jesus how can I be made the uppermost you see you have a problem because even the biggest sect of some supposed Christians although I don't believe they're Christians the biggest sect of supposed Christians are Catholics there's millions of Catholics your God according to the Quran made them the uppermost okay so if I take your example that that literally means that trinitarian Catholics are actually the ones who are following Jesus according to what your Quran says no no let let me be tell you about the similarity between Jesus and the Muslim Jesus prate he bow down look look he bowed down he put his we get that he bowed down he worshiped one God nobody's denying that let me explain to you about the similarity between Jesus and the Muslim Jesus put his head on the ground only Muslim do that you people do not do that that's what Jesus Jesus prayed to the father Jesus Christ says worship me the same way you worship the Father John Jus says if you've seen me you've seen Allah Jo or he doesn't say Allah because somebody's using that term Allah didn't exist but Jesus Christ says if you've seen me you've seen the father Jesus Christ call God his father Jesus Christ tells me to pray to him and to the Father John 14:14 and John um 6 sorry Matthew 6 so I mean where are you getting this idea from that Jesus in fact was a Muslim no he wasn't yeah yeah but that look we are the only follower of Jesus but you're you're Jesus the the thing is it says follow Jesus where are so I want to ask you another question where are Jesus's teachings in the Quran you know doing the pray the way we pray Jesus pray that way we pray lot of Jewish people also pray like we pray they also prostate their head on no no no I ask you a specific question had nothing to do with Jews right now you're going off in a tangent okay where does the Quran say clearly Jesus's teachings it where does it outline Jesus teachings it's in in the Bible in the New Testament why go to the Bible when that Lit why no offense but why go to the Bible when that same Bible Jesus says himself honor me the same way you honor God yeah because you are mixed with the man word and the god word yeah but you're assuming it's based upon the Quran I'm I'm asking you where does the Quran say Jesus teachings you believe that the Quran is the F you believe the Quran is the Criterion where the Quran say that brother yeah Quran said you have the teaching of Jesus in the your Bible right but you believe the Bible was wrong about what it says about Jesus so if I read the so hold on if I read the the scriptures and it say Jesus says I'm the almighty I'm the first and the last those are corrup those are man words not Jesus that doesn't make any sense because hold on where does the Quran say which parts of the Bible are corrupt and which parts of the Bible are not corrupt where does the Quran say any of that I mention corruption in your Bible Quran mentioned no it doesn't show me that show me the verse ver there is a verse there is a right now I don't have a wor corruption in your Old Testament and New Testament no no no not even Surah 2 verse 75 says that 275 says that a party of them it says a group of them but it also says later that Sur 2 vers 89 that Jesus was strength of the Holy Spirit Surah 2100 will tell us that the scriptures were given to the Jews and the Christians and so it just goes It goes down a peg you don't have you have a problem here because even the Quran will say in later chapters that's the the Jews and the Christians some of them follow rightly and some follow inright unright so which ones are those look in Quran Clearly say your Bible have corrupted and you still have to follow the Bible the Old je have to follow Old Testament not the Quran Christian have to follow the gospel not the Quran you see it is in the Quran so Allah says to follow a corrupted book yeah it is said in the Quran did Allah corrupt the book no Allah did not corrupt you corrupted the book can Allah's words be changed Allah word doesn't change you have added something in it the Quran doesn't even say I added anything to it say any of that no no it says Clearly say if you added in that where does the Quran say what the Christians added and what they didn't add yeah there is a ver in that I forgot right now I don't have with me but I I noted somewhere in my blog but I cannot find that right now see to me look no offense s but it seems to me you're speaking out of ignorance rather than just accepting that the Quran is claiming that the Jews and Christians have their scriptures scriptures are are the authority I agree with that Allah said you have a follow that the New Testament gospel Allah said to Christian follow the gospel not the Quran okay so if that's the case how can I follow the gospel if the gospel's been corrupted you didn't you whatever you follow whatever is there and Allah will accept you righteous deed okay so Allah accepts my righteous Deeds if I follow the Bible which tells me that Jesus is good oh follow whatever you believe follow whatever you you believe that doesn't make any sense because according to the Quran if you associate with partners with Allah you're committing sh so that's a contradiction no on sh only apply to the Muslim God does not tell you to do not do sh only tell the Muslim not to do sh if Muslim do sh they will go to hell for you you are free go God doesn't tell you about that yeah that's that's wild because that's not historical Islam the other thing is here's the thing if you and I'm going to argue like a Sunni okay but if you deny the Hadith you're actually going against the Quran I not look I I believe in let me finish let meish I'm arguing like a Sunni okay so the Quran says that anything that Muhammad says is Sor sorry is um it's Revelation I want to show you a site which proves it what say is not maybe there is a but not all the thing in the Hadith are okay this is a wait so you're not denying all the hadiths are you not denying all the Hadith Bible and the Hadith are the same mixture of God and the man corruption both are corrupt Bible is corrupt had are corrupt so what Muhammad says is is is corrupt is that what you saying they haven't got Muhammad did not wrote Hadith okay people wrote after his di they added lot of things just like you added in the Bible lot of things okay Jesus Angel was a book of Jesus he wrote it you added something in that same with the you're saying we added stuff to it there's no proof of that based upon your you people admit Christian admit there is no no no Christians ad me I don't know what you're talking about in fact if anything the quran's been added to you don't even know who wrote s sorry who wrote um Sur Al Bak we don't know who wrote that we just we just have you telling me that it was from God that's it that's not an argument okay but this is this is from Hadith excepts they say the question is does the one who rejects sah become a disbeliever okay I'm going to prove that you're dis believe que early Islam okay these are written by ID Mah scholar those wred to enforce the Hadith people yeah but that's your opinion versus the the the prophet himself for example it says here an this is the Quran this is the Quran it says Allah may be exhaled has enjoyed upon Believers complete submission to the words of the Prophet okay and his Hadith and rulings to the extent that he may be glorified swore by his Divine self that whoever his hears the words of the Prophet then rejects them and does not accept them has nothing to do with faith at all okay so that's Surah amam 53 it's not talking about the Hadith you have to follow the Hadith okay okay so it says but know by your law that they can have no faith until they make you Muhammad him judging all disputes between them and finding themselves no resistance against your decisions and accept them for will with full submission how can you accept you know how can you be a follower of Muhammad and how can Muhammad judge between disputes if he isn't here to judge between disputes how can he do that yeah but Hadith is not by written by the prophet Muhammad the people wrote whatever they wanted to wrot okay and how can how can so you're telling me you can have it says you can have no faith until they make you Muhammad a judge in all disputes between him how can you make Muhammad your judge if we don't have his writings no no look Prophet cannot say what Allah did not tell him to do okay if God say Allah say if Prophet made up something by himself we will cut off hisra V yeah yeah so and does say that they CAU he felt his has been caught but that's a separate thing okay the point is it's saying here that they cannot have faith until they make Muhammad judging all disputes between them so you as a Muslim have to make Muhammad a judge how can you do that today in 2024 when Muhammad's not alive how can you do that yeah you look uh if Muhammad was life I could follow whatever he said in the Hadi there is no guarantee he said it those things so I can reject those things so you're say here's the thing your your how do you do you have proof that the had are corrupt I can give you one example in Quran Allah talk about the ex Muslim you know the people who leave Islam there are many places there are many I can give you 20 places the people who leave Islam and never Allah say at one time whoever change his religion kill him never one time said so Prophet how can Prophet say when Allah does not tell him to kill then how can Prophet kill well that's that's the point like whatever Muhammad says is it's Revelation Muhammad cannot make a Muhammad cannot make Allah La by himself right but but it says whatever he says why he doesn't say whatever says why it says it by no but no by your law they could have no faith until they make you Muhammad judging all disputes before Beyond them that's what it says yeah you can't do that no no muhamad okay yeah that's true but what about that somebody add those thing in the Hadith Prophet Muhammad said this to kill the whoever change himself what is the guarantee that say by the prophet Muhammad to kill the anyone who leave religion what is the guarantee he said that not other schol ID Muslims what is the guarantee the thing is I'm the thing is you're accepting Muslim testimony by just believing in the Quran because you have to deal with where did the Quran come from how do you know where the Quran come from I believe in Hadith I you just told me that these were idiot Muslims so idiot Muslims gave you your religion that doesn't make it be sense to me I I believe Hadi those who does not contradict the Quran and the cont does not contradict the prophetic character M manner if we have like why do you why do you trust the why do you trust the ID Muslims to give you some of the Hadith true and some of them false why do you trust them like that you see I have to believe in Hadith because without I take as a historical book not as a Divine book not as a to follow must like that only is but why would you believe in Hadith if you're denying them that's the thing you're denying things that you think contradict the Quran yeah but the problem is the ones who gave you the other Hadith reports you accept also wrote this stuff Al bakari wrote this stuff okay Al bakari wrote that stuff about Muhammad saying to kill the apostates that was Al bakari that's where you get most of your stuff about Muhammad from Al bakari so if you deny Al bakari in some bits you might as well reject him in All bits and just say the Quran is historical but it's not irrelevant if if Allah wanted to kill the apost ex-muslim Allah could have said that go ahead and kill the prophet Go and Kill the apost ex Muslim it was easy for Allah to say that it just take one line less than one two two three four words and it could have Allah said it go kill the ex-muslim why do you trust what Allah says if you don't trust the people who transmitted what Allah says because we have faith in the Quran but why have faith in the Quran why why why have a trust in the Quran where it's written by men who you don't trust because it's there is a wisdom in it that's why we believe that this is from the Creator God it's what said it again sorry it's confused what what from in the Quran there is a very logical rational wisdom inside that's why we believe Quran is from God right but there's wisdom in the vadas there's wisdom in even the Bible right yeah yeah yeah how is that crer I I accept the Bible or Testament maybe maybe probably withas you know Gita will be maybe from God some of think but later on became a corrupted yeah but why why trust what the Quran has to say you see you see the point side is that you have a double mind here because you're saying to me I'm not going to trust some of the Hadith only half of them because I think that the Quran says it and that's it and I'm saying to you that's not a good standard because then how can you trust that those Hadith which you think are wrong are actually wrong how can you trust that like I I like like I I say if a Hadi contradict Quran and Prophet character like he marry a sixy old child child she was a child six year old is a child you cannot marry sixy old child without her concent Prophet where do the Quran say you can't marry a child without her concent no in Quran Allah say you cannot inherit Woman by compulse by force and Prophet himself said you you have to take consern from the uh the the girl to marry a six year old girl cannot give concern to married how do you know they call I'm just I'm just ask a basic question how do you know that could have happen you think six-year old child can give you concern to marry in marriage I'm asking you the question I don't believe that six-year-old should be ready for marriage I disagree with what had you say six year old girl cannot give concern to marriage if to today and where does the Quran say that 2 years where does the Quran give an age limit what where does the Quran give an age liit oh there's a child there is a verses in the Quran if you read that that verse carefully you can come up with the 18 year could be the marriageable age wow if you read it carefully so what what what actual Quran verse says that anybody over the age of 18 is is worthy of marriage which Quran verse yeah I think it is four 46 okay let's go to 46 then um even though it doesn't say that we'll go to chapter 4 verse 6 okay and we'll see if this says anywhere that you are only allowed to marry somebody over the age of 18 um and everybody can see on screen as well so you can know I'm not making this up this is here okay um it says prove orphans till they reach the marable age then if you find them of sound judgment deliver over unto them their fortune and devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up whoo of the Guardians is Rich let him abstain generously from taking the property of Orphans and who so is poor let him take thereof in reason for his guardianship and when you deliver up their Fortune unto orphans have the transaction witnessed in their presence Allah suffice as a reckon so what about us tells us that this is this is an 18yearold who's supposed to be married yeah you see the word marriageable age okay right so there is must be a age to marriage okay is that correct for Orphans yeah no for Orphans yeah no no no no orphans okay okay listen listen marriageable age is not for Orphan for something and the non orphan for something it for Orphans yeah yeah but marriage age is not for orphan is do you see the people orphan marrying a different age than other people that's a relevant to my point it says orphans yeah no brother marriageable age for Orphan or for the people who have parent so the same it says Pro prove orphans until they reach the marriageable age it doesn't say anything about nonorphans no and it doesn't even say am of wage so you think there is a different ages between orphan and non-orphan I'm asking you I'm asking you this is the thing I don't readr like that you do okay I have to explain to you the age of Orphan or non orphan is marriage age is the same okay that Mak sense okay what age is that what age is that you have to read the further uh then if if you find them sound judgment okay if you find if you find them on sound judgment sound Jud judgment mean they can take judgment they can take care themselves they have uh intelligent to make a judgment are you saying that six-year-old can't make a sound judgment you think a sixy old can ability to get a marriage and she can decide I can you're asking me you're using my logic you're using my AR against the KN of the Quran you're using my logic to to put bid on the Quran I'm doing I'm asking you okay can a sixy old take a judgment should I marry or not I'm I'm asking you the questions okay it says you canot so you're telling me that a sixy old can't make a sound Judgment at all sixy old can make a judgment I I can marry or I don't marry they cannot make on getting married it doesn't say getting married here it says then if they if you find them of sound judgment it doesn't say of sound judgment in per marriage it says of sound judgment a six-year-old can do maths there are many six-year-olds who do maths okay can they decide I can get married or not that's not the Criterion being positive it says prove orphans until they reach the marual age then so like directly after if you find them of s judgment sound judgment is arbitrary what do you mean by sound judgment make a judgment judgment they have ability to make a judgment yeah SE can do that she can decide sixy old child can decide I can get married it doesn't say decide to get married you keep reading into the verse it doesn't say that it says if they make a sound judgment full stop doesn't say it doesn't say if they make a sound judgment in regards to marriage it doesn't say that that's not the criteria adding Criterion we have to use our brain to understand what is saying these verses yeah but you have to impose your own theology onto the Quran but you can't do that the Quran says it's a clear book so why you imposing the Quran brother the Quran says it's clear look a judgment if a person who can make a sound judgment they are over over 50 over 16 over 18 okay there cannot be a sixy old girl make a sound judgment about her life how do you know how do you know a 16y old can't make a sound judgment can can a sixy old girl make sound judgment about her life I mean it depends what the what the child is Right depends decision no sixy old cannot make a judgment about life of marriage or but it doesn't say about life either again it's on screen everybody can see it doesn't say about life it says says if you find them of sound judgment full stop doesn't talk about life it doesn't say if you find them of sound judgment in marriage or if you found them sound judgment in life it just says if you find them of sound judgment that is arbitrary that doesn't mean anything can six-year-old girl have a sexual desire why are you asking me I'm not the only got here I don't believe in this I believe in the Bible which clearly gives us an indication in e 16 of when a woman should be married and that's when she has fully formed breast hair between her legs which would only happen at the late stages of puberty which would be the age between 16 and like 25 if a six-year-old girl does not have a sexual desire why she want to get married but that it doesn't say sexual desire doesn't say if you find them with sexual desire it says if you find them a sound D judgment yes that's that's arbitary so if muhamed m could have said I walked up to Aisha and I thought she judges right it says if you find him it doesn't say if Allah does it say if you do so maybe Allah did marry that child because he thought that she was of sound judgment why are you using me and not Allah as your Criterion no you're laughing but but this is your religion not mine I don't affirm pedophilia yeah you see the Muslim idiot they are idiot they believe Prophet marri six-year old child they are idiot same idiots gave you a Quran and Hadith so you're calling these people idiots while you're following them that don't make no sense to me what happened they have to believe this Hadith because they have been told them to if you reject one Hadith you are not a Muslim so that's why Muslim accepted because that's pressure on them they put mullah idiot The Scholar idiot put pressure on them if you reject one are you a Muslim if you don't know Allah's words no you cannot no no if I deny Quran anything in the Quran if I deny I'm not a Muslim it doesn't even say anything the Quan like I've read to passage where it says everything that Muhammad says is why is revelation there is no guarantee prophets said that there is no guarantee he wrote it so everything that Allah so everything that Allah gave to Muhammad we can't know what that is the Quran we believe is 100% from Allah yeah according to Muslim Scholars you said are dumb you said they were stupid no no no we we we judge the Quran not by Our Idiot Scholars where does the Quran come from how do we know where the Quran comes from people are astiti he's 8th Century SCH I I when I read it and I understand this is must be from a Creator God that's what the Hindus say dude that's that doesn't prove anything look asati says this he's a second Cent sorry not second century he's an eth Century Muslim he says you should understand may Allah have mercy on you that whoever denies the Hadith of the Prophet constitutes Shah evidence whether he denies a report that speaks of something that the prophet said or did if that Hadith fulfills the conditions stipulated in Al Hadi has committed an act of disbelief that puts him beyond the bounds of Islam and he will be gathered on a day of Resurrection with the Jews and the Christians or with whomever Allah will of the disbelieving groups end quote so as believed that you're going to hell because you're denying the Quran sorry but I do not believe that idiot so then [Laughter] what that's that listen that that's not that's not my problem my problem is If you deny these guys then you don't really know where your Quran came from you're just believing it that doesn't make any sense it's all belief brother it's all belief we believe the Quran is from God that's that's just the belief system is not we don't have proof Quran is from God now now you do not have Bible is from God you know we just believe all no we do like as an end tomb we have Jesus Christ of Nazareth historically we have we have the witnesses of the time and none of the Roman Empire who made hisy Jesus Christ rose from the dead this are just a belief or whatever you say it's a belief system you accept no it isn't it's sources outside of Christianity that prove Jesus Christ of Nazareth existed we only have Muhammad and his men saying this stuff and really you can't really know that without a Hadith so really if you just keep the Quran bro you can't know who Muhammed was who duain was you can't know who anybody is in the Quran you can't even know how it came to be you you know you do you have a Hadith do we have Hadith we have we have church fathers writings I would say the hadiths are Po's writings really that's what we say the Hadith so you you believe in Bible because of had said so Paul say so no no I believe in Bible because of the historical Merit that proves Jesus Christ of Nazareth actually existed the the witness testimony of the time the fact that the W witness testimony of the time according to the evidence of the time could not be a lying and sources outside of them tacitus Lucian Josephus all affirming Jesus Christ of Nazareth which points to our religion not Islam your belief in Bible is from because of other people what other people say about Bible you have faith in the that's why you believe in the Quran you're you believe in the Quran because one dude who you don't know claimed I'm asking about you I'm asking about you you have a faith in Bible because of other people what other people say about Bible or you trust the Bible itself I trust the Bible on its own Merit don't get me wrong the Bible his historical narrative but I trust also the historical institution around it including the sources outside it because that's how we do history we don't just do history on oh well it here this book it claims it was from God therefore is from God okay I'm going to show you a books side okay this is called this the Curious incident of the dog in the nighttime in here right there's some dude named Mark who claims to be God I'm gonna follow this dude I think he's God do you believe I'm wrong what was that I said this this book I got here it's it's a children's book the CEST incident of a dog in the night time right this guy in here he claims to be God right oh should I follow this this guy mark because he claims to be God he his name is Mark I should follow him right no no look if you you if you read that book and make sense to you then you believe you're going to believe or you going to reject okay so you going if that book make you faith in that book then you're going to believe that otherwise Allah send me to hell if I say Mark is God what it will Allah send me to hell if I say the dude marking here is God no no I if I read that book then I if I find there is a something to be believed that is the truth then one thing if I do not come to conclusion is book from God then I will you know I will not believe that book how can you know it's from God if you've not seen any Miracles there's been no testimony outside of it to claim it even from the enemies like the enemies of Mark didn't say anything I just said Mark right imagine you've got nobody who's an enemy of Muhammad outside of Muhammad claiming oh yeah by the way Muhammad he was here he's a literal guy and he existed you know if somebody people we we have evidence from the historian said this Quran is from God so I'm going to accept that because some historian believe the Quran from God so I'm you think I'm going to believe that no well I mean the thing is right if you just pick up a book from the middle of the street and say this is from God I'll be question your sanity you can't just say it's from God just because it says mark on it doesn't mean that Mark is God you see the the problem is Muhammad did no miracles in the Quran so you can't really know whether he's from God or not you're just making the claim even if he B claim Muhammad did the mirers who who who witness I do not witness you just writing down Muhammad did the the Muslim say Prophet Muhammad that did the miracle of the split splitting the but I don't believe that because Quran Quran does not say Prophet mamad split the moon this IDE just added in the there is no evidence for there is even do not have evidence you know the the Pagan they they don't have any testimony about the prophet Muhammad making Miracles ofing the moon even the Pagan as for to show us the miracle in the Quran Allah say I do not give them Muhammad Miracles any Miracles but this idiot yeah this idiot believe Prophet Muhammad split the Moon it is from but but that's the thing they they had the problem as well that you have unfortunately because if if Muhammad did no Miracles and there was no miracles on Earth during his time then how do you know really he was sent from God you don't need a miracle to believe in look Jesus performed many miracles we believe that but nobody you do not have Miracle but you believe only thing if I he he performed the greatest Miracle Jesus Christ rose from the dead that's the greatest Miracle look look those Miracle let's say true or not you do not know maybe somebody wrote it down Jesus performed the miracle well I could say that same thing about the Quran how do you know that it was written by somebody who was reliable how do you know that based on what you Miracle does not have proof anything this is just written in the book how do you know right that's the question okay the question is how do you know that this dude Muhammad was reliable how do you know that you're just making the Assumption the Quran when we read the Quran it has wisdom we read the Quran believe it is from God and Prophet Muhammad was a messenger of God okay St are you doing how does that even make sense how can you use the very thing being argued to prove your argument I wouldn't same thing goes for Christians you can't use the Bible to prove your argument because it is what is being contested that is what that's all we have that's all all we have Quran all that what we have yet you've got no evidence of his existence outside of you do the the same could be said either way I mean most people claim that the Quran was written by a illiterate individual that that's the big Christian claim well the same could be said about Matthew Mark Luke and John because or excuse me at least the three fishermen because all the they knew how to write coin Greek that doesn't make because well historically would have wrote Greek in taxes no no no hold on I'm not going to let you speak over me okay they would have wrote in Greek in taxes okay these people were not idiots okay they would have had to done taxes okay the lingual Frank of the time and this is historical evidence by the way I'm not making up the linga Frank of the time would have been Hebrew Greek and Latin and that's why of course you see in Luke's gospel chapter 24 or chapter 23 off the top of my head you can clearly see that's the king of the Jews is written in Greek Hebrew and Latin of course and in order to do any trade you'd have to be able to speak the language as fisherman in order to do taxes you'd have to write down stuff you'd have to write down what you've said okay so yes they would have been literal enough to understand things and write down things it's not hard man problem okay there's this big problem about first of knobs knobs no we're not doing this again you timed me out while I let you speaks knobs you're crying okay I want to ask what are you are you an atheist are you a Muslim what are youing I'm a man I'm a man yes what's your IDE ideological presupposition what do you assume I'm a man ideological predisposition I'm a manir a god you Den as a god dude of course there's a God and when I God I say there is a Creator in the sense of if you look around and see the trees God do you believe brother it's not hard I don't know how many gods are a stupid question I asked you one question you said created your fm you're just chatting crap are you gonna actually answer my question right now okay what Creator do you affirm do you affirm any religious Creator are you agnostic there's only How can there be multiple creators that I didn't say did I say those was multiple creators dude did I say no I'm saying you you just as me believe no no no no no don't put words in my mouth I didn't say I didn't say that okay I ask your question do you affirm there's a Creator I didn't say multiple creators I said do you affirm there's a Creator course there's a Creator do you believe in any religion or any ideology why would I need to believe in anything shouldn't I just walk it I didn't say you need to you're not listening to me once again I said do you affirm any religion or ideology may get what I said I heard what you said and there's no reason for it so I don't have what you're asking me if I have okay so you are an agnostic then thank you for letting me know you're an not available for is this how you win all of your arguments by yes because you're not making an argument are you into a box why do need a box around me to what I am that's everybody's in a box to do you have an ID do you have an ID no no you don't have an identification number absolutely not I'm a man so you live Wilderness do you live in Wilderness do I live in the wilderness yes why would I need to live in the wilderness to conduct myself as you listen you're confusing the terms I didn't ask did you need to live in one I said do you live in one no I don't live in the wilderness other than you're in a car right did you put insurance on that car no no I don't insurance is purpy how did you buy how did you buy the car dude how did you buy the car well the car or the the auto mobile was originally purchased in one fashion and then moved to a different venue did you purchase the car did I purchase it no actually I did not did you steal the car no I did not okay okay were you given the car yes you were given the car through Equity yes it was aity yes do you have a job I gave something I'm watching question because I think just ringing oh You' got a business to have a business you have to have some form of identification you have to have some form of identification yes you do no you don't that's that's ludicrous did I say I was in LLC to right now so as an you got to realize you are predisposition to believe that somebody's able you're not listening to me dude you're not listening to me how do you count morality it's profanity you're speaking profanity how do you account for Morality In Your worldview you're not answering the question how do I account for Morality In My World how do you how do you account I adere very CL closely as close as possible to Psalms 89 familiar with it where it speaks about that um you are to follow the law statute and Commandments and that there's a single Covenant do you believe in the god do you believe in the god yeh I say did I say that no I did not I your question very closely as as possible hang on one this is what I mean these people don't like to answer questions this is the problem these people don't want you're asking vag ass questions it's not that I don't like to answer questions it's when I answer the question you don't like the answer skipping the question okay the question about was your fundamental IDE ideology okay what do you believe in I ask that you told me you believe in a Creator all men are created mention Psalm 89 that's what you said that's what you said so do you airm do you affirm that the Bible do you affirm that the Bible is Holy Scripture I affirm that there are many holy scriptures and the Bible happens to be one of them okay okay so you're basically one of these is set apart sir if you look at the word it is set apart well holy chusion what word that can you pull you maybe need to look up where your mind is because you don't know where it is you please look that word prove wrong big boy no no let's establish truth no let's establish truth in this conversation okay you've made the assertion you've made the assertion okay the word sanctify doesn't just mean Center pass okay you're telling me to prove stuff and you won't shut up why don't you do us all a favor and shut up why don't you do us favor sh up shut up consider okay come on this you just come on a stage to chat crap get banned dude I don't care I'm not wasting my time with a dog get banned okay you may hate British people but this is how we speak we sound sexy I know you don't like it but that's fine yeah how is that an argument Okay one minute one minute side okay so as for those who affirm every sort of religion every religion in and of themselves does not support the other religion you can't claim oh I'm a Hindu I'm a sik I'm also a Christian because the tenants of every single religion does not support each other on the ground and basis Hinduism would for example claim that oh we believe in all gods we believe in all religions but the problem is in order to do that you have to accept the main tenants of their beliefs for Islam that would be the Quran being your Authority for Christianity thebible the holy scriptures would be the authority okay so for those of us who are too lazy intellectually to do any sort of research into what Christians believe and want to come up in hounds me and quotes Psalm 892 without even having knowledge in their heads I'll simply say this read the Bible properly it tells us that there's only salvation through one and that's through Jesus Christ you cannot be saved through any other religion so if you're if you're if you're claiming you're believing in the Bible you don't believe in the Bible you're a liar you believe in Satan but anyway yeah go on go on so go on H yeah yeah he's supposed to answer you know what's his problem about answering about himself yeah whatever he tell us you know there is not no problem with that you know brother I'm writing a book I will publish in next year uh it's basically about the how to get uh into heaven and who will get into heaven basically according to the Quran uh in in that I'm trying to show Muslims Christian Jew Hindu anyone who believe in Creator God and do good deeds you know avoid the all evil you know deed avoid evil deed and do good deed they will will go to paradise so this is the book by I'm going to prove to the Muslim not just to the other people but the especially for the Muslim Muslim believe they just born into Muslim family they will go to heaven they don't have to do any work hard work they don't have to do just believe in Prophet Muhammad and uh Islam is true and they go to paradise but Allah say in the Quran you have to the two requirement God put a two two thing requirement one is to believe in a Creator and other requirement is to be doing the righteous deed to be nice to the other people so these two condition God put on every human being being well you can't work your way to heaven here's the here's the difference between Christianity and Islam the fact is you cannot work your way to heaven because God is perfect from the time of Adam and Eve in Genesis 3 Adam and Eve sinned against God that sin was unbelief and denying him before men because they had done that they were damned in their very bodies we are descendants of Adam and Eve which means we still have that damnation on our bodies that manifests as Sin so every evil Incarnation whether it be lost whether it be murder of our minds where it be hatred against our brother all of these things are poisonous within our very Souls the only way for us to be cleansed and made perfect before the Living God is to be reconciled by the blood of Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ is the only sacrifice for us in the Old Testament in The Book of Leviticus there were sacrifices people you had to do sacrifice to be redeemed you know before God because according to Genesis 8 the life of a man is within the blood of man God says if anybody takes a man's life his life will be taken he also says that any man any Souls that sins is worthy of death that's Deuteronomy okay so if that's the case if we all sin s and we're all worthy of death then that means that somebody has to die for us or we all pass away but if we all pass away we're not going to go to heaven because we're going to be our death will be continuous whereas Christ has redeemed us now so that we don't have to pay the punishment for our sins we live in Eternal righteousness through belief in him working your way to heaven is the problem of most religions and I would say most Muslims contr what you said most Muslims do believe they have to do good things to get into heaven I'm I'm an evangelist I've spoken to most Muslims they all believe this to a man but that's not it you can't do good things because you're not perfect you have to be submitted to Christ and then Christ can make you perfect but that's an ongoing perfect process my bad okay so that's the difference whereas you have Islam I'm telling you oh do just do good things so does Hinduism so does Buddhism all these religions preach just do good things but the thing is human beings can't do good things they keep failing look at history the rape of n King for example Japanese people who were part of um families who are basically just living working they went and and raped and killed tons of women and tons of children okay and they killed tons of men as well okay this was in Japan this was nank King okay or sorry Vietnam in nank King right the same thing happens with Hitler Hitler's men were hardworking women and men and yet they were helping Hitler to gas Jews and black people and disabled people human beings are not good and they will never be good without goodness itself that's why Christ died for us so that we can be reconciled because we're not good within ourselves we are wicked internally you understand yeah you know you know religion has to make sense today world you know we are we use whatever make sense we accept it not we do not accept because this say this religion say this and that religion say that what our brain accept is to make a rational CH we accept it if it doesn't make brain is confusing you your brain also says to um you know Serve Yourself your brain is selfish your brain wants you know lust it wants you know this the things of this world your brain your brain can't be trusted because your brain is always telling you random things okay this is why you shouldn't trust your brain you should trust God you should trust righteousness and I'm sorry Muhammad according to the accounts of what we know because the Quran doesn't really mention Muhammad that much but according to the accounts he did a lot of things that were Wicked where Jesus Christ didn't do any of these things and that's why I follow Jesus Christ yeah I don't really see any reason to follow mamm the Quran yeah you know uh truth always makes sense if if something truth is does not making sense then that is not a truth truth is what do you mean truth always makes sense what if if somebody telling you a story it does not make sense that that mean that story is false if that story making sense then that is the truth this is how we judge everything based on making sense or not if religion judge because a religion say this it does not make sense to you then probably that is not truth the truth is when God reward people who are doing good by their own if I say to you if I say to you if I say bro E equals mc² if I say that to you is that true I don't understand what did that mean well that's the thing but what what it essentially means is you know energy Mass equals squared okay does that make sense to you no I really don't understand the the question exactly but you said those things that are true must make sense but I showed you something that's true that doesn't make sense to you just because that's an argument from edly it doesn't I I do not understand so I cannot make a comment on that you know but you said it must make sense to you to be true and I'm saying just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's not true I just showed you E E equals mc² is a true proposition that's true but you don't know what that means so just because you don't know God's being it's the same with the Bible just because you don't understand God's being that doesn't mean God isn't true just because you don't understand his triun nature that doesn't mean he's not true okay that's the problem here you don't know rocket science I don't know rocket science I I can't work on car parts but it's true you can build cars so I mean that's this is a wrong way to look at I give you you have a you have a formula for salvation your salvation formula is you have to believe in Jesus and you receive Paradise our our belief if you do good deed avoid the evil deed and then you will receive the paradise so people have to make a judgment which makes sense more sense me or you make sense so based on that people will accept logic or rationality people don't go by Dogma you are make claiming we have the only truth and truth is you have to accept Jesus otherwise you go to hell so you know that's not acceptable people will use the brain uh if a person who is good then he will be God will should reward that person because he had been trying to be a live life as a good person so good is subjective in their opinion anyway good is subjective even in the Quran doing good is subjective in the Quan human know what is good and what is bad we are not that backward we don't know about good and what bad we we but there's no foundational basis for good in the Quran give you an example like Quran allow wives if I help you that's a good I'm helping somebody yeah but the Quran will say that you're allowed four wives okay in this scenario I go out and I get four wives I can look after them okay I've got four wives I can look after them okay but one of them becomes jealous because I'm spending a bit more time with the other one of them becomes more jealous because she wants me for herself am I doing a good thing for my wives H having four wife is not bad having sex outside marriage having for people outside marriage having sex outside marriage that's bad but having how is that any different because you taking responsibility of the the children when you bring the children with them you're taking responsibility when you have sex but you're also bringing jealousy you're also causing jealousy you're breeding jealousy because your wives are going to become jealous they're become they're G to become hateful of you that's not being good is it they they agree to marry person who already married maybe whereever they agree look where they agreed on not is irrelevant they still become jealous because humans are naturally jealous right they become jealous whereas if if I wasn't married let's say I'm I'm an unbeliever obviously I believe you should get married but if if I wasn't married and I slept with one person and that one person for the entirety of my life okay it would be far better than having four wives because I'm devoting myself as the Bible says to one person whereas in this case the Muslims have polyamorous relationships and they have wives that are jealous you know man cheat on their wife so God said don't cheat if you want to marry another one go ahead marry to but don't cheat that is cheating that is cheating what do you think cheating is what what did he say no that that is chea thefe the purpose to say don't cheat go and marry this woman because if the if the woman is offended because the man is looking for other women then that's the problem in the first place the woman's not going to be oh well you at least you married her no like you literally want to have a sex with another woman but the woman that you were with in the first place that's why that woman is angry so it doesn't make sense like marrying them regardless is a sin you shouldn't be marrying four people yeah was Adam and Eve four people no no if God only give permission do not go outside Mar sex outside marriage if you want to marry 1 2 3 4 marry don't cheat on your wife or don't go to prostitute but very but marriage doesn't make any sense if it's not a covenant between one person and the other marriage in Christianity is a Devotion to one person you become intertwined with the soul that you're marrying okay this is the beauty of Christianity is that the soul you're marry to you have to commit to the entirety of your life okay whereas with in Islam really you can divorce them as well you're allowed to divorce them and you can marry four of them so you can you can literally have one 0 offer in bed and it won't matter okay and if one of them gets jealous they have to accept that or they can divorce you and that's not fair either uh look look some people not all people man want to marry more than one wife even in Quran say one one wife is better for you than four wife okay marry one it says in the Quran okay but some people want to marry more than because they have more appetite for sex so they they Allah said don't cheat on your wife don't have a Mistresses but get another wife for those people yeah but that's still cheating on what you see your you're the fact that cheating on your wife would be not keeping the sacred Covenant with her you see Islam s sort of denies the sacredness of marriage Mar marriage is sacred is because God instituted man and woman he didn't make man man man one one woman he didn't make Adam Steve Jeff and then um Mary Eve CLA he didn't make that he made man and woman so that they become one flesh within Islam you don't have the contract you don't have the Covenant you don't have a union between two two Souls so you can literally just go out and plow whoever you want as long as they're married that's okay but that's not okay because that doesn't stop you from making your jealous your wife's jealous and that's the problem it still causes misery Allah in Quran one is better for you okay this is what it say what where's it said that it say in the samey marry 1 2 three or four but better is one for you okay you're talking about Surah yeah okay so Surah four he says just marry one yeah yeah in the last he said one is better for you yeah I mean I've read it multiple times I see like it says obviously guard your lord stuff like that let me get up on the thingy the screen yep okay um short all ever Watcher give orphans yeah um okay F be women and give okay and give onto the woman whom you marry free so it says women by the way it gives unto the women you marry fre gift of their marriage portions but if they of their own accord remit unto you a part thereof why does it say women here what is that it says give onto the women women is a plural word it means more than one woman what he says over and give unto the woman whom you marry is totally other it's something else about it well yeah that's the thing if it says give unto the women then Al doesn't expect you to marry one wife he expects you to marry many why is he saying women why do you say woman yeah if you marry more than wife if you it's talking about the gift you give your wife you should not take back it says wives it says women you know you know what I mean by women so that means more than one woman yeah you can marry more than one woman if you that's the issue right because you've told me do you know what the DI is for this verse where it says where Allah says himself you know you bet it's better to marry one do you know which a this is was yeah this about Oran yeah yeah but where where's the Ayah where because you told me that it says it's better to marry one yeah yeah in the Quran yeah I think it is some place I don't know where it is but it's said very 1 2 three and four but why oh yeah yeah here we go here we go here we go so it says and if you fear that you not deal fairly by the orphans marry of the women who seem good to you two or three or four and if you fear that you cannot do justice to so many than one only or the captives that your right hand possesses okay and this is the other problem you can take captives as well by the way yeah so you also agree that you could if if there was a war let's say there's war going on side right and let's say God forbid right somebody came into like let's say one of let's say a of Muhammad a Muslim comes into your house and he says you know what I'm going to take your your wife I'm G to take your wife I'm GNA take whatever from you okay or your mother yeah would you be accept would you be okay with them taking your wife and take your your mother and stuff like that would you be okay with it look look God I have to read about this one it's it's talking about the orphan you know that at the war time and you the lot of men get killed and there are you know women are uh you know so yeah you know God he says in this ay uh one is good for you yeah would that be okay though would it be okay for let's say I'm part of the Muhammad's men I'm a Muslim as well I come in I'll take you what you wife not take your mother would that be okay no no no you cannot force to take you know you cannot you can't it says you can take it says the captives that your right hand possesses oh yeah yeah you know the when they come to in the war to fight you to kill you and you capture them no I don't where's the where where the female is trying to attack you where does it say that but that right POS right hand POS means you captur them yeah you captur them right so you've taken SL right in war you captur them it doesn't say in war it doesn't say in war let me show you Surah 4 verse 24 where L say you mean you kidnap what here yeah but you can you can kidnap women that's the point right you can literally take a sex slave you can go into it and I'm asking you would you would you be okay if I did that it says and all married women let's read it so together and all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives slaves whom your right hands possess yeah is a decree of Allah for you so so can if I wanted to can I can I you know in war can I come to you and say you know what give me your wife you finish the whole ay you know you go in all the way to down all I'll finish it I'll finish it lawful unto you are all Beyond those mentioned so that you seek them with your wealth in honest sedlock not debauchery and those of whom you seek content by marrying them give unto them their portions as a duty and there's no sin for you in what that you do by mutual agreement after duty so as long as so I can literally I can go possess your yeah marry them but it doesn't say they agree to marriage it says I I take them I possess them and then I marry them are you okay of me coming into your house and taking your your wife God forbid and your your family God forbid and and taking them marry them would you be would you be okay with that you you me kidnapping and marrying them yeah yeah would you be okay with that it doesn't say you kidnapp people children and get married that's not what he's saying he's talking about the C I'm asking a basic question like when it comes to your mother or your your family are you okay with me going in taking them captive you know and kidnapping them and marrying them would you be okay with me doing that that's that's a kidnapping that's against Allah you take captives it says captiv this is what This Is War captive of War it doesn't say captive of War you're making it up it doesn't say captive War it says all married women it's a blanket statement it says all married women are forbidden unto you except or save those cap possess there is a word captive in that yes as captive means slave captive means yeah slave what captive is captive well then there you go s it's not it's not that is if if if it's bro if it's a slave they're not choosing to be a slave dude it's a captive like I don't I don't think you understand no offense but captive means you take captive it means slave yeah in why they came to fight you are and you capture them you make captive it doesn't say you capture them what can you show me where it says that in this a what where it says you take them captive when they come to fight you can you show say word captive when is is in the war you C uh you catch them they became your captive oh man no it's brilliant speaking to you s I'm going appr brother I appreciate taking me we will talk later on and I believe you you are Christian also go to paradise Jew also go to paradise you know Frank Frank yeah the only way to Jesus Christ is free all right all right all right I AC I respect We Believe byebye okay cool what okay okay okay so yeah I mean after that point I'm just going to leave because at the end of the day how many times can you just keep saying no it says to take captive and dude telling me like oh you know you can uh yeah that's and then I ask a basic question so can I go and take your wife's or your or anybody in your house captive he's like no no no you you must married them it's like yeah I forcefully marry your mother like I'm even G I'm granting him his position okay I don't have to because even the word nicar means something completely different but I'm not even going to go that far I will grant him that the actual the actual text on screen is an accurate presentation of what the Quran is saying okay if you're talking to somebody Christian Prince or something like that they would go into the Arabic and school my go I'm not doing it but even from that you're saying it's okay for me to go in you know go ninja and grab and and grab your your your mother God forbid or your your wife and marry him I mean I wouldn't do that anyway that's random I'm a Christian but I'm saying that's that's the point it's disgusting it just doesn't work um okay so the last person we had up now people ask me questions in the chat I miss the generic and stuff like that um sorry it just went onon one I did want to have a conversation with the dude who came up but unfortunately he wasn't listening he was assuming too much becoming very defensive and I'm not going to have a conversation with some like that if you're going to come up at least come up with some sort of logic in your head man don't come up like like dude like come on okay like don't come with your stupid new agism because new agism doesn't work at least s is far more consistent in the fact that he's holding to his inconsistent religion but this clown you know this guy I can't remember his name who came up this honestly complete lunatic LUN itic man and this is why I just don't like liberals I just don't like these new age liberals okay okay as as Ro Yin you've had every chance to come up I could have literally let you on screen so telling me I'm not educated it's funny uh I'm just calling back because I can't remember what was said okay so Mr generic you said something like oh well why can't just everybody get to heaven the reason why is because of the atonement you see they had to be a sacrifice it had to be an atonement you see when you read the Bible it makes sense of this stuff okay the fact that Christ took on and bear our sins on the cross okay therefore we afford Christ That Glory not just because he took our sins on the cross but because he's God himself God himself reconciled himself to us you don't know right okay um so what what's going this I'm going in h88 okay I'm I'm I don't know what he's saying I can put that in text very under what context is only other person's property morally AC acceptable I know I'm talking about what what is it what context is it not morally acceptable okay and I'm talking about of course because you're again you're mentioning chattle slavery in the Old Testament and you're mentioning certain verses I know what you're trying to do because most aist to do that they say oh God's a moral words it's like no because every single account we read of slavery tells us that slaves will let set free for example you read this in the book of Deuteronomy slaves or that free okay and slave would be something you'd have to work for it' be like right now we are slaves under this current system I.E that we um we have to work to pay off debts we have to work to pay for our own living our own board um we are given ID numbers we are given identity numbers we live in this Society like any and each of these things equate to some form of savory um so when you got say there's no slaver you no you're enslaved in some way or another okay um what we'll simply say though is that I I our marked distinction between the new and the Old Testament is that the Old Testament is the account of events that were happening it's an account of Israel's pass it's an account of a very barbaric nation and his growth into the true morality of the scriptures okay it's it's God using in seed form his morality and guiding people through that to him now God of course people say oh I didn't God say thou shall not kill well he said all that stuff the thing is a barbaric will not know what these things mean and they will not live by those principles and that's why of course you've got the harsh injunctions of death being um placed upon anybody who commits adultery because these things are severe in the eyes of the Lord especially if you are in Israel and that Israel is being led by God himself in a visible Cloud by day and and a flame of fire by night which is a completely different scenario to modern day I would argue as an aist you're boring from our worldview you're boring from Christianity because Christianity affirms the perfect ethic which is in Christ so when you claim this is not good this is not bad what do you use to justify that claim you're just making a claim when you claim slavery wrong what what do you have Universal understanding of all ethics and morality do you have the perfect ethical moral system if that's a case produce it okay and what is that based upon what is that grounded upon if it's grounded upon your own opinion I'm sorry your own opinion doesn't matter you are just an evolved um an evolved Amber just like me what does it matter doesn't change anything um so it's a wrong way to look at things and I I wouldest people really wasting time answering these people of course in the New Testament you can clearly see you know in the book of Fon um Paul writes to Fan in regards to a slave called omnus who himself had run away from his servant okay and he literally tolds him to be made free he tells foran to be to let that SL be made free on EAS okay why would he do that if the Bible was just a book of slavery because it's not a book of slavery that's why okay and you don't understand the different roots of slavery either I would suggest looking up the various videos by inspiring philosophy on this topic I'm not I'm not promoting inspiring philosophy's gospel but I would say that yes he has a good defense when it comes to biblical slavery and stuff like that um again I would I would argue that your moral Paradigm is at fault here okay you can't justify morality in your system and yet you're attacking people from the stand for want morality why is it wrong to have trle slavery under aism if it all just predetermined the meat machines see that doesn't work um yeah anyway um no that was just today was hilarious I think I think what happened is because I did it late that's why it's a bit more you know thingy is it okay it's just yeah mean exactly like it Serv that's nothing to do with modern slavery okay bro what is it with you racist coming in sh do one dude what does that have to do with anything first of all I'm not in America okay you Hillbillies need to learn something about black people we're not all the same you know just because we look like this doesn't mean we're all the same okay I'm sorry you had some some bad experiences with Tyrone in the gym has nothing to do with me yeah my name John I'm right listen I'm right here I'm I'm in United Kingdom brother I I don't know what's going on over there okay I know there's a lot of gun toen you know Nicki Minaj um adance over there I don't know but I I just don't care about all that that's random man we don't we don't Bor with that you get me yeah um but to be honest I don't vote for nobody I don't vote for nobody I vote for for Jesus I was going to say my damn self but I had to stop myself there um yes God bless man God bless okay so yeah I mean um the reason why I'm doing a late stream is because I'm hoping people jump on again I'm a Christian ma um so I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ okay got a lot of like gun toen you know uh snake oil salesman from from America will say that you know Democrats and then they'll just come to me and be racist if you want to have a discussion about that then you can jump on stream conservative Democrats and they slave I don't know I don't know I don't know I'm not interested in your politics uh I don't care it doesn't matter you you get me you know what I mean I mean all that stuff about B Joe Biden stuff like that I I don't care about that stuff in fact talk about politics I wanted to get to um the um um perceived islamophobia stuff um because I was going to actually look that up earlier on but yeah perceived islamophobia because there's some sort of law that the Liberals in this country are trying to pass basically saying that yeah expressions of perceived muslimness okay that is just so arbitary so I mean just literally anything goes British seeks warn against new definition of islamophobia okay so and this is an interesting Artic actually let me get up um so you got this year British six and then you got obviously New Times India listen what's this I accept F okay British SS are challenging the new islamophobia definition they they argue misrepresents history and curtel Free Speech London British seeks say that they strongly resist a new definition of islamophobia which dissay distorts recorded history and presents them from discussing the history of their own faith the network of seek organizations headed by Lord sing of wion has written to UK Deputy Prime Minister Angelie Ros angel said Angelino Angela Raina saying it's a serious concern is about the APG islamophobia definition okay I want to see what this definition is that's why I'm trying to um get on to that because I literally want to see what this perceived islamophobia is um okay let's see what the Isam because apparently it's Angela raino is doing it Islam Angela raino okay okay this was 10 days ago so it says this Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rangers had said government is actively considering its approach to islamophobia in devising a full definition following for far rights Miss fer said the community secretary criticized the previous government the all priy APG on British Muslims devis the definition phobia as rooted in racism and as a type of racism that targets expression of muslimness or perceived muslimness you see how arbitary that is do you see how arbitary that is there's no you know how subjective that sounds so what what D they they claim muslimness is or perceiv muslimness is so is it a critique of the Quran or critique of Hadith they're going to curtail the entirety of freedom of speech because then what's what is perceived muslimness and how can a religion be rooted in racism when the religious ideology is not ethnicity that doesn't make any logical sense okay okay hopefully you saw that they're not a race this is a thing Jo Mark they're not a race so how can they be how can you be perceive racist racist how can it be rooted in racism as a type of RAC that targets espcially Muslim and I've heard this before like um when we've gone out like you know you know doing evangelism like some of accuse me of racist racist of being racist simply by quoting Quan at people I'm like how does that work how how is that racist when it's not rooted in any way to do with ethnicity there's many different types of Muslim what okay it says labor party M MP KH obviously fre guess is who is had previously written to prime minister sir K stama urging him to host meetings with Muslim Community leaders and to formally adopt a definition of anti-muslim prejudice oh wow so Muslim leaders who are these going to be they're going to be sunnis sunnis who do not like their religion to be critiqued well that you got to say goodbye to evangelism speaker Corner because if they pass this pretty much every is getting arrested so all you man will Bob the Builder fans out there bro you got your boys getting arrested if your boys getting arrested okay why do you not why don't they want to do the same thing for Christianity then attacks on perceived Christian how far are we willing to go with these laws this is basically you know what you know what's happening is history is repeating itself instead it used to be the Roman Catholics and now it's these guys you know the Roman Catholics trying to perpetuate their BS ideology you know um to use a harsh term why apologies you know through violence and tyranny and and obstruction freedom of speech and now of course who else is doing it the Muslims it's not racism s you've lost your damn mind you don't know what you're talking about how is that racism it's called an open critique that's not racism your ethnicity is not your religion you're fool my ethnicity is not Christian and if they want to label it as such for you guys then they can do the same thing for me and I will say that any critique of my evangelism is perceived hatred against Christian I'm allowed to evangelize and critique other religions and I will show biblical proof as to why I'm able to do so you see how stupid that nonsense is yeah but listen don't get me start I'm about s Jamaican man it's mud okay all religion is false uh wrong word does the Old Testament speak of dying and Rising Messiah well it's in it's in the Book of Amos but yeah we lit had a whole video on this in fact um but that's the thing you said dying and Rising okay so yeah Isaiah 53 you know get he be wounded for our transgression stresses pierced for our iniquities okay and the Book of Amos says you're riseing in so yeah um but again you've called us poor religions so I I'm going to call you racist from now and see as we're throwing the term out you're racist against us po nights you know what I mean you see how mad that is bro listen I don't have time for these news anyway what was I going to do because I did say I was going to go and jump on other people's live streams uh maybe I'll try and do that um and see where that goes so yeah let's um let's go and see actually who I can stor um I don't know if Adam's live maybe could just jump on his stream um um I know obviously the Sister Sarah was out in leester again okay yeah Perce mus is wild I'm not going to lie um no he's not he's not live um yeah there was some stupid claims though is the is the reason why I'm of course I'm going life as well because I'm trying to get this kid based C to come on U because I actually want to deal with his presuppositions like obviously this kid here will never jump on he's too scared he's too scared because you know he get cooked okay but this kid here if you know where he is let me know you know where he is let me know has every right to come up and get cooked okay obviously they're saying Calvinism is heresy of course this bu here psycho wood is a calvinist I think really but one there was one argument and here's the thing I wanted to deal with I actually want to respond to this I might just do it on the stream um I don't know what time it was okay let me just play yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah let's get this G okay so if the word all there it means literally all right oh no it's not even playing Ah that's annoying my bad okay um what so what I'm going to do is I'm G to play again it's annoying man okay but it's good that I worked out that yeah it's good that I wor out before i' actually said anything because that would have been really embarrassing okay so let's play this sir okay so Bas cut basically makes the arguments that Colossians 1 um let me move this Colossians 1 uh verses 15 to 16 where it says he's the firstborn of all creations he's reconciled everything to himself he's basically trying to make the argument here that you know when Paul says all things he's referred to everything okay so if that's the case Bas C then has God reconciled Satan did Jesus Christ reconciled Satan on the cross because if you take that word to mean literally everything in creation then it has to include Satan you see nobody even mentioned I was surprised actually nobody even clocked this I like what's going on so sorry so you're just ignore the fact that the kid has said all things okay so all things include Satan right because it says all things on heaven and on Earth okay it doesn't say Satan's in some random never di mention it says all things all things bro so if that's the case then Satan's been reconciled how do you deal with that when the Bible trly tells us that Satan will have his portion with h that Satan will be burned eternally so obviously he hasn't been reconciled to nothing how has he been reconciled I think even even James White said something on this which I again oh shout out to James White but James White said something in response to even Sam Shimon like and this is why I stopped following Sam shimun because Sam shimun just um I think satanic autonomy um yeah it's this basically three years ago and I hope this is still showing yeah three years ago there was a debate between Matt slick and Sam shamon right Matt Sam Shimon brought up the same stupid argument Colossians 1 1516 and said all things have been you know Rec so if that's the case that includes Satan and like isra sponsor is just bril I would I wouldn't agree with everything he does but yeah I mean for for oh what do you mean you don't have any sounds Mark can you hear it now John Mark um it's saying you don't have any sound why don't you have any sound oh man okay let me try okay um that's annoying um yeah um that's really annoying did you hear so did you hear when I played the video of Bas C did you hear the previous video bro oh cuz I that would be really annoying ah that is so annoying oh oh man you didn't yeah um Glenn's saying no are you saying no John Mark did you hear when I went through the whole stuff with um um satanic aony oh oh fair enough fair enough well G saying no ah thr okay well I hope you understood what I said basically because I I don't know what's going on with this connection right now okay so long story short James White and I would just literally put a video in the chat because this is just going to be annoyingly long James White just says Lun know of Sam Shimon is that they believe in satanic autonomy and that s Satan was essentially reconciled to Jesus okay and and that was in a debate with Sam shimun and um Matt slick about three years ago which I watched three years ago um now present day is still being utilized by Catholics who are adance of sham sh you know why because like really they they're not really interested in actually reading their Bible so you know the Bible doesn't say that Satan's been reconciled to anybody so how can it be all people how can one Corin sorry Colossians 1 which I'm going to go with you how can this be referring to all people I'm not a calvinist okay but I again I don't think it affirms limit of the tourament to say that this verse here doesn't refer to all people and there'll be there'll be certain instances in the Bible where the term all doesn't imply all people for example Paul says you know um obviously it's going to do Matthew 24:14 that's annoying um okay there's a passage where Paul says that the the gospels been preached to all the world all the world the gospel has been preached over the world okay uh just go this is saying shall be preached okay [Music] okay yeah it's Colossians 1:6 okay let's just go to Colossians then let's just go to Colossians 1 and we'll see where we can find the term one or all being used um in a way that doesn't really make well not logical but it doesn't here's the thing of course they made Sam their po let's be honest but it doesn't equate to all when when the Bible uses all it doesn't always equate to all like for example in the very book that the individual Bas cat went to right it says Colossians 16 which has come to you as it is also in the world before that it says because the Hope which is laid up for you in the heaven of which you heard before in the word of truth of the Gospel which has come to you as it is in the all whole world or in all the world and is bringing forth fruit as as also among you so yeah long story short it says the gospel has come to all the world that's what Paul says but it hasn't at that time the Sentinel tribe never heard the gospel um the British never heard the gospel at this time there's many other countries that never heard the gospel yet only the Mediterranean really would have heard the gospel maybe at this point of writing um so no it wasn't the case that it wasn't it was all over the world and that's not a contradiction because the word world doesn't necessarily mean world and the word all doesn't necessarily mean all all the time that's why when you get to Colossians 15 okay it will say this okay it says here or well 15 to 19 it says but please the father that in him all the for should dwell and by him to reconcile all things to him by by him whoever things on earth or things in heaven having made peace through the blood of his cross so if we look at this verse okay does it in any way imply that Satan has been reconciled let's say because it says all things right yeah you should love Jesus not Satan Satan is burning okay Satan is burning why why love Satan when Satan is burning yeah he doesn't love you just laughing at you right now um Axel Rod human sacrifices of sin okay first of all murder is a sin okay murder is a sin Christians did not commit Human Sacrifice Jesus Christ himself chose to endell in a body and then the high priest of the time and the Jews of the time engaged in the killing of that body okay that's the truth you don't know atonement um okay if you're going to keep spanning get lost I don't have time for people spanning just like do one okay um okay so yeah that's Satan does not love you Satan is an adversary he hates you he would rather you a dead um car Deckers so yeah Satan doesn't really care about you Satan wants you to believe that you know he is the adversary he is like that's why he want wants you to believe he wants you to be dead in your sins and never receive hope in Jesus Christ but the good things you can have hope in Jesus Christ if you trust in him he will fill you with his Holy Spirit and you'll be endowed with the kingdom of God okay yeah all your God that exactly um Abu Musa reported exactly so apparently Human Sacrifice is sin but yeah you know had engaged in sin and so did his pet doala so yeah we can we can just deal with that okay but yeah I mean the point I'm making is that the verse in itself obviously what Colossians 1 19-20 does not say that Satan is reconciled so that means all things weren't reconciled that's not a contradiction the word all does not mean all in every sense just like I mentioned to you before before 1 Corinthians 6 sorry one Corinthians my bad why am I saying one Corinthians Lord forgive me Colossians 1:6 says the gospel is preached in all the world it's not contradiction all the world for poor would have been the whole Mediterranean reconciling all things to himself where things on earth and things on Heaven okay would have been hyperbole it would in no way speak of Satan it would be hyperbole which obviously the apostles employed multiple times in fact you'll find that hyperbole is used even in the church fathers okay that's that's why they will say things like you know the blood the blood of Christ the body of Christ it's hyperboy okay um what do you mean what you didn't know the Bible employed hyperbole exactly the devil was cast into to the fire the devil was cast into the fire so he wasn't reconciled so when the Bible says that's Heaven and Earth everything in it was reconciled if the Catholic or the e wants to say well that include Satan no it doesn't it can't include Satan Satan was not reconciled to God okay yeah I don't know what John you're talking to there's literally two John's here okay U Emerald um yeah there's two my name is John look John okay are you a Christian are you a Muslim are you a 7-Day Adventist jump on the stream em what a weird name em bro well oh yeah yes of course if you're if you're Amazed by that I've got so much if you can look at for example where Muhammad literally says to kill you know those who depart from Islam if you want to go through that okay so Emin do you want to talk about that because that's literally your and I like listen I got so much stuff for you ml you don't even know man you don't know you've come to the right place emeraldine you're about to be Emerald nine anymore but for Jesus Christ now okay if you're not a Christian already Okay so let's share this time let's let's get this cooked okay let's talk about because obviously you got a woman's name let's talk about women in Islam right let's just let's just go through I got so much stuff for you em dude oh you're a born again believer Born Again believer in what what you saved by the blood of Jesus Christ hey saved Christ do you want to jump on Saved Christ if you're Oriental Orthodox I would love to have a discussion with you on prayers to the dead and prayers to Mary and I'll show you literally that the church father's never taught it so you want to you want to come up oh you believe in Yeshua do you believe do you believe Yeshua is the Son of God and he's God on Earth that's not how you say Yin that's not how you say it you're starting to I don't know I don't know what's going on okay so you're saying Yeshua Yahweh which one okay so do you believe that God is a trinity M you believe in the Holy Trinity as defined and ier but you ain't speaking okay okay um save Chris come on come on come on let's do this save Chris let's do this um the reason why I'm up late is because I'm trying to get people on so come on come on Jesus Is God amen amen amen that's what I like to see okay um so why was you saying what to our brother Jor Mark then em D um yeah but where's the bible say that you should ask the Saints for intercession safe Chris if you even are saved okay where does the bible say that you see the Bible is our sole infallible rule of faith we don't get our we can't get our determinations from the E Church who claims that it is the head of the scriptures because the scriptures are divinely sent from God I actually showed this at the start of the stream you know we start off with Luke 24:44 to4 then he said to them these are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses and the prophets and the Psalms concerning me and he opened their understanding that they might comprehend the scriptures so the master taught his students the scriptures directly correct oh fair enough fair enough I'm going to speak to you off live that's one I'll speak to you here okay so the M the master the master thought the scriptures directly now the Bible tell us in 1 Timothy 3:16 okay I'm going to show you that here sorry not first Timothy 316 first Thessalonians first I'll go there and then I'll go of course to first second Timothy uh first Thessalonians to 13 you see your church denies the scriptures unfortunately um for this reason we thank God about season because when you received the word of God which you heard from us which you really holding on on that you welcomed it not as the word of men but as it is in truth the word of God which also effectively Works in you who believe going I have to change that into something a bit more brighter okay so it's very clear that the apostles believed that their words were the word of God okay but the apostles also wrote about Jesus Christ 2 verse 5 that there's only one mediator that's what it says for there's one mediator one God and one mediator between God and and Men the man Christ Jesus so if you're praying to somebody else and asking for their intercession then my friend you're not praying to Jesus Christ you're actually blaspheming Jesus Christ you're blaspheming his name you see you're blaspheming his name by not believing in him because there's only one mediator okay intercession is only done between God and man and that can only be done through Jesus Christ no other intercessor is granted that's very clear from the text let's go on to Hebrews 7:25 how many of you Sam Shimon right come here man and just right yeah I don't know Madness anyway um Hebrews 7:25 therefore he is also able to save to the uppermost those who come to God through him through Mary through the Saints no through him since he always lives to make intercession for them this is talking about Jesus Christ in the context by the way so we've got 1 Timothy 2:5 saying that Jesus Christ is a mediator Hebrews 7:25 saying that he makes intercession for us now where do we hear in the Bible of anything in regards to prayers two Saints anything well let's go to Romans 8 26 to 27 okay so where do where do we see prayers to Saints there's no way in the in the Bible because it doesn't exist but what we've got is is this Romans 8:26-27 likewise the spirit also helps in our weaknesses for we do not know what we should pray for as we ought but the spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered now he who searches the hearts knows what's in the mind of the spirit is because he makes intercessions for the Saints according to the will of God who makes intercession for the Saints Jesus who intercedes for us the Holy Spirit notice how it is God interceding for us not men and yet the imediator of the Covenant is still Jesus Christ And yet when we don't know what to pray for we rely on upon the sprit you see the Eastern Orthodox church and Roman Catholic churches are not relying upon the sprit they're not relying upon the sprit that's the problem I don't care about s listen Des I don't care about your D Canon I don't care about you can burn that we don't care about no D Canon you had to go to run to one book I've shown you through three different books say Sak I don't care about Sak I'm talk about C Desmond hunson deal with a point okay all right it looks like saved Chris's gun if he's still there but yeah Sak is a false book we've got 66 books right here I I don't know probably some like get get out Joe free card I don't care like save Chris you're not you're not responding to the G so all throughout the word of of God which by the way is the apostolic witness because as an Apostolic Christian I'm telling you the apostolic witness is not found within somebody these Church no it's found within the holy scriptures so if you if you want to be an absolute Christian be born again trust in Jesus Christ alone you cannot get to Salvation through your works you cannot lose your salvation through your works the only way to receive salvation is through the blood of Jesus Christ and through being born again through him I'm not the one saying this Jesus is saying this I didn't make it up this was written like 2,000 years before I was even born okay I don't make this stuff up brother yeah me don't make this stuff up okay you know go back to the church fathers you'll find irus and against heresies you know chapter 3 verse three saying the scriptures are the ground and pill of our faith and against heresies chapter 2:32 irus says you know we do not invoke Angels meaning we don't pray to them you know we pray to the Lord through Jesus Christ how is that why is that not mentioned by your guys like Jay D and others who have got you know crack addictions you know why because they can't mention it they don't want to mention it they don't want to mention it you know these dudes who like are friends with Satanist they don't want to mention it you know what I mean yes good morning Trinity okay well where do the Bible say you have to follow the communion as well can you lose your salvation if you don't do the communion because I'm going to show you the Bible doesn't say that of course I like commun I think commune is a good thing I think it's a sacred act I don't believe that somebody should just take it lightly and go and get some beer and a bit of popcorn and you know do communion I believe it should be Bread and Wine I believe these these should be the normative way of doing things I do not believe that somebody's going to be casted to ption because they believe it's not flesh and blood nor do I believe that anyway because that's stupid it's not flesh and blood it's supposed to be done memori but by that same token you're not going to hell if you don't do it know it's it doesn't work like that okay it's a memorial thing do this in memory of me Luke 22 okay going back to the word of God in his testimony right you see here right faith long debate I've got so much stuff on here man okay in fact let me go because I've already done this a million times let me do let me do this okay so let's go to Romans 4 first of all to get the context and then we'll go to Ephesians 2 8 to10 uh 4 verse 5 in fact we'll do Romans 4 and then we'll do um 8 2 10 okay so we got Romans 4 Ephesians 2 8 to 10 okay okay Ephesians okay follow with this man um follow with this cuz you're going to need it you see we don't mess around when it comes to you know us who are scriptural we don't mess around because that's what God has afforded us right is Isaiah 8:20 you know as it says in there to the law and to the testimony if they don't have this word there's no light in them okay what shall we say then about Abraham so this we talk about Abraham our father has found according to the flesh for If Abraham was justified by works good deeds he has something to to boast about but not before God but what does he what does the scripture say Abraham believed God and it was accounted him for righteousness now to him who works does good stuff the wages are not accounted as Grace but as debts so you would be indebted to God if you do righteous stuff right but it wouldn't be Grace but we are saved by grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ but to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungodly his faith is accounted for righteousness just as David says and describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from Works blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin you are saved not by your own righteousness but by faith Romans 3 28 will say the same thing now when we get to Ephesians 28:10 it says this for by Grace you've been saved through faith not of yourselves is the free gift of God not of Works L anyone should boast for we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works which God had prepared that we should walk in them God prepared beforehand we should walk in good works but those good works are not what get us to Heaven they don't justify us okay so you're not saved by any these you do well I mean here's the thing if you're still I would say look you're close to the kingdom of God I don't deny that but I would say this the very important thing is you should be praying to Christ you shouldn't be asking for mediation from anybody else okay right did you not read Jesus says eat my flesh drink my blood that wasn't talking about the communion this was long before there was a communion he wasn't talking about the the body and bread sorry the body and wine wasn't talking about that he was talking about subsisting in him in John 6 he says those who eat my flesh and drink my blood I will give them eternal life he says in John 6: 63 that his words are spirit and life this is hyperbole meant to infer a point you see the the men who followed him before were looking for bread because they he' already fed the 5,000 before that and he responds with I'm the Bread of Heaven Come to Me Eat of me okay and people take this too literally that would say to that would say to you look you're not far from the kingdom of God if you born again um and you're truly trusting in Christ then pray to him you don't really need to rely on Saints my friend because Saints are not going to do anything for you now there'll be times where we fall there we times where we fa but it's important to pray to him and not to Saints and I'll suggest if you are part of a church that does that maybe leave it bro I would I would say maybe leaving it okay as as you know as I always say you know to be deep in scripture is to cease to be ecclesial um but yeah yeah no no that's brilliant that's say that's brilliant save Chris that's brilliant God bless you man um so 4 hours 25 minutes and it's nearly 2:00 in the morning man Trinity God bless you man I like Trinity Yes Man okay okay again I've already mentioned that you don't have to follow the community to be saved okay but if it is just solely okay if it is just solely by faith in Jesus Christ then that's it I know you've got eight8 books in the Ethiopian Orthodox church I don't deny that but I would say that your faith should be holy in Christ not in your works not in your good deeds and as I've just shown um we're clearly told that it's by faith not by own works okay you know this already I would have to repeat this to you um anym we got Hindu here even if it was old so what there's many Pagan religions that are old like who cares like do you worship set like that's that's an old ancient religion um you know what I mean what about the um the pagan gods like for example the oldest civilization before there was even Hinduism um I think there's a God L I don't think that's the same God actually can't remember I think it's called set or L can't remember the name of that God but it's it's it's tied with the Epic of Gilgamesh that whole idea of the story of the flood and the fact that they came that that was an actual God so yeah yeah there's there's been many ancient gods but that doesn't prove your presupposition to be true uh yeah I don't care about whether you accept him or not you don't believe in him you don't trust in him for your salvation God bless saved CU God bless okay I I don't honestly I don't care I don't even know what name that is what could I name that okay yeah but you don't really and that's the thing it's not about insulting it's just the truth Jesus Christ makes it very clear he's the way the truth and life there's no way to salvation but through him I'm not being Rudy I'm telling the truth but you you interpret it as hatred because you don't really love Jesus um but do you accept him as God is he the parabrahman you would just say he's an expression we wouldn't say that we don't we don't believe that he's an expression of the parabrahman no we believe he is the parabrahman you know your salvation can only come through Jesus Christ that's the law he gave okay Jesus Christ is God okay but he obviously became man we don't deny that okay and how do you know what the parabrahman is anyway like I'm assuming you're a Hindu um how do you know who the parab is anyway how do you know who that is you got no proof of your religion what what happened is during the indust River tribe you people just collected different religions were like oh you guys are got a God so do I and that was it that's your whole religion can you change your name though that's wild man that is wild man that's honestly wild name man um yeah it's getting late anyway it's been about four hours I'm going to clock out I didn't real realize it' be this late man any last questions before I go um prove that I've got no knowledge you've had every every chance to come up here and prove that I've got no knowledge on your stupid religion okay we went to a Hindu temple in Easton so I don't know what you're talking about okay but I don't need a lot of knowledge on your religion to know it's false it's false by the standard of the Bible that's it that's the standard uh yeah exactly you don't if your religion is from Satan W respect your religion is from Satan okay you worship statues you believe that statues are imbued with the spirit of God that is wicked disgusting blasphemy and the Old Testament God would have you destroyed okay now for me I wouldn't do that of course um but yeah okay where am I in the UK n man a doxing myself for nothing but I'll just say yes yeah we're in London man I doxing myself and then what what are you then um brother or sister whatever your name is I ain't calling you that name oh you're a Muslim so it's even worse okay so you believe in Muhammad in the last day okay then cool okay so are you Sunni are you Sunni oh nice nice nice emal nice nice are you a sunny I'm about to listen if you're Sunny I'm about to show you the most offensive things possible uh if you're if you're she then yeah I'm still G to show the most offensive things possible and and I didn't write this I didn't write this the thing is I didn't even write this let me show you this listen okay yeah you obviously are Muslim because you seem to think I've got destroyed in any debates I've never been destroyed in any debate in fact most of you guys keep running every time look every time we've done any sort of debate you guys keep running you keep saying I've been destroyed in debates by who name one if you're talking about debates from like three years ago of course dude like was three years ago I just became a Christian like a few months ago but if you're talking now no nobody's done it Hashim run Hamza keeps running they will keep running and just because you don't see it on on YouTube that doesn't mean anything what you do like you pay attention to the biggest one Muhammad don't tell me no okay okay what cursed for not giving sexx Abu Hurr okay so you're okay with women being cursed for not giving sex what abuur be pleased with him said the Al's Apostle said to him when a woman spends the night away from the bed of her husband the Angels curse her until morning so yeah you take a break from your husband see what happens see what happens brother the angels are going to curse you Muhammad said that women are like Devils jab reported that Allah's Messengers saw a woman okay and this is of course sah Muslim 136 sorry 1436 a book 16 Hadith 140 yeah um jab reported Allah's messenger saw a woman and so he came to her his he came to his wife Zaya and she was tanning in lever and had sexual intercourse with her he then went to his companions and told him the woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil so when when one of you sees a woman he should come to his wife for that will repel what he feels in his heart so a woman you know he saw a woman and you know because he had lost he called that woman the devil what do you mean you're not sh you know does Allah sorry sorry so if you're not sh okay as you keep saying where do you get your do you do five prayers do you believe the sh do you believe the sh that's a question I'm asking you do you believe in the sh that is my point my do you believe in a Shahi what's wrong with you shahada yes or no I'm not just talking to myself by the way I'm talking to um a person in the chat so for people re rewinding they be like who's this crazy black dude just like going off on the madness Okay exactly emal like prayed for Muhammad so what who is all praying to Mega all um I don't I'm not embarrassing myself your prophets like look look I didn't even I didn't even say none of this stuff this is what Muhammad says the woman is the devil okay the Quran promotes adultery and fornication we can see here so if a husband divorces his wife for a third time he cannot after that remarry her until after she has married another husband and he has divorced her in that case there is no blame on Iva if they reunite provided they can keep the limits ordained by so you have to marry and by the way that word marry means the car so you have to have sex with another husband and and then you can divorce that person so let's say you want to remarry you know [ __ ] or S you want to marry sah again you can't do so until you've gone to Hamza and you've had sex with you you know what I mean so this is what I mean you guys been a Madness Surah 4 vers 34 you you can get beaten I didn't write this men are Protectors of maintains women because Allah has given them the one more strength than the other and because they sport them from their means therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guarding the husbands of absence what Allah would have them God as to those women on Whose part you fear thisy and Ill conduct admonish them first next refus to share their beds and lost beat them beat them beat them beat them you're saying lies I'm literally showing you Quran verses you can literally get them up it's is Surah 4:34 YF Ali I did not make this up is is here this is here I didn't make up you know obviously it says here but who cares right means 40 to 60% accurate so it's fine it's Halal okay the prophet said a man will not ask as to why a man will not be ask as to why he beats his wife he a man will not be asked as to why he beats his wife I'm not salty that sounds salty he literally turns to the Propet and says a man will not be asked as to why he beats his wife I didn't make the up that's all in your all in your Quran that's all I didn't make it okay I didn't make it up I didn't make it up or sister I don't okay what is beat okay no don't tell me read the arabit because I just read you Hadith where Muhammad said a man will not be asked as to why he beats his wife so is Muhammad contradiction the Quran stuck for man I don't I can't you can't believe that man come on so you're telling me to read come on listen tell calling me names is not an argument you have to actually deal with the textt I literally just read out to you I didn't edit nothing go read it yourself that's what it says I literally just copied it from sun.com narrated UMB Al you can literally just read it okay and obviously AB 2147 okay a man will not be asked as to why he beats his wife okay I didn't made up okay I'm going to show you Muslim woman son suffering worser than anybody else this is sa bukari 5825 okay narrated rer divorc his wife thereon ABD Rahman B alari married her Aisha said that lady came wearing a green Veil and complained to her Aisha of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating it was the habit of ladies to support each other so when Allah's messenger came AA said I've not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing woman so the believing woman doesn't suffer as much as the non-believing woman look her skin is greener than her clothes so she was beaten beaten me show you where it says beaten how many times have I showed you it says beaten mam said look I'm I'm going to just break it down for you bro or go okay Muhammad said you know you will not be asked about beating wife Quran says 4: 34 you can beat your wife and I just read out to you another Hadith where we literally told that a Muslim woman was beaten green and not only that IA says there's no one worser than the believing woman okay nothing worser than what believing woman goes through it's a harsh life for a Muslim I didn't make this up I'm not scared to I'm not scared to finish you I don't know who you are look her skin is greener than her clothes when ABD R heard that his wife um had gone to the prophet he came with his two sons and with another wife he said oh Allah I have done no wrong to him but he is so impant as to usess to me holding and showing The Fringe of her Covenant ABD ran said by Allah messenger she has told a lie I am very strong and cons satisfy but she's disobedient wants to go back to rer as M said to her if that is your intention then know that is that it is unlawful for you to remarry with her unless Abdul rman has sexual intercourse with you then the prophet saw two boys with Abdu Rahman and asked him are these your sons on that Abdu Rahman said yes and and then the prophet said you claimed that what you claim that he is impotent but by Allah these boys resembl him as a cow as a crow resembles a crow this this part has nothing to do with the beating like the beating still there like literally it says Aisha was the green spots of her caused beating and it was the habit of ladies to sport each other and then Aisha said I've not seen any woman suffering as much as a believing woman we've not made it up it's there okay you're not proving your point you see this is what we do we cook every single time we these streams you're telling me I've gotten I've gotten worse in three years now I've gotten way better trust me now we have every single was not with a man when it comes to you guys okay okay prayers are cancelled by women so if there's a woman that walks past you is cancelled okay it's Nar by Abdullah Bin samat from ABD that the prophet saw said the prayer is severed by a woman a donkey and a black man sorry a black dog I said a black dog yeah if there's not something like the hand of a saddle in front of a man Abdullah said what is wrong with a black dog and a red one he said Abu asked the messeng of Allah the same question he said the black dog is a Shan and obviously this here IM 2 952 you you you listen at the end of the day look if I was you I would get under the blood of Jesus Christ I would stop with this this rebellion and just like see I want I couldn't do this it's Tuesday isn't it yeah is Tuesday isn't it in fact is it Tuesday today no it's Saturday it's not Tuesday Saturday all right Tuesday will be in another two days it's not Tuesday okay um I know you're trying to take the mick out of my accent but it's not really that bad I mean there's plenty of blit people um just because you don't live in the land of te crumpets does not give you the right to insult my my family um uh but it's Tuesday it's Tuesday yeah anyway I think I've already cooked the person who called themselves I queef I don't know why he would call himself that and be a Muslim that's weird yeah anyway I want to ad four hours five hours bloody hell no oh man so yeah yeah I'm going to dock I'm going to dock anyway any last questions before I go God bless J Jones I don't know why I'm honestly I've been doing this for a while it's because obviously when people come in like I just feel like cooking um and obviously cooking don't stop okay oh yeah so anyway look I'm going to go take care God bless [Music]