hello again my friends we're back I H look who's here Ryan hey hey Ryan I I have to tell you my friend that when this debate started I was exhausted I was exhausted I had a headache I was actually a bit grumpy it's been a very very long day I still have Trauma from the debate in Atlanta um and I was not I was not looking forward to this I really wasn't it was stressing me out now I'm still really really tired but I am dare I say quite ecstatic what what do you think about I you know what I don't want to put words I I I don't want to uh sort of set anything up I just want to get your take on what you just saw uh can I break down a a few things for you uh there were please do okay so there were 11 different uh they took on 11 different topics the greatest amount of time they spent was on the economy that was the first one for 17 minutes the least amount was on climate change of the first five uh topics that they took on abortion took up the least amount of time uh next to fracking and then they went through just a Litany of things and what was I found most annoying well or emblematic or symbolic of Donald Trump is never could answer a damn question never could offer a single did not answer how would he end the war in Ukraine did not answer what he would have to um go to replace Obamacare time and time again when asked specific questions he got obtuse and angry and even the closing statements showed the just the difference in the two candidates he used the words fear hatred world War I uh he never answered why he tried to block immigration legislation never and they didn't push back on that uh but at the end of the day he wouldn't say why he killed the immigration Bill wouldn't say how he did the war in Ukraine he lied he had those grimaces wouldn't I I what I found really um telling is he never really looked uh the Vice President in the eye not once and he couldn't even admit the beginning afraid of her he he could even admit he was running against her referring to Biden and one of my favorite comebacks to her from her was hey I'm not Joe Biden you're running against me and he really had no answer for that nor did he have really any any answers for anything and at the end uh he he really I I you know she said leaders laugh at you she called the two things that triggered him the most and you had to love it was when she she went after his crowd size and said people fell asleep and left his his his rallies and at that point in time someone lit a bomb under his ass and he went nuts over that and then he he went batshit nuts when she started telling him that people were laughing at him so I think she scored some really big points Donald Trump had uh a couple of points that he the biggest point that you could say that Donald Trump made was at the end he tried to blame her for and it's the one rallying cry that the Republicans have had is why a't she done it already well the point that's that's a piss poor point but it scores with his people because at the end of the day she um she's addressed all of that and that's and it's not a real issue but this he also wouldn't talk about January 6 he would not go back and admit that there was any mistakes he lied about how he reacted on that day I was there police officers were beaten one later died this is that was a horrible day in the day of of in the history of the United States I thought she did much better I I think when I looked at the issues of the 11 issues I don't think she lost any of them on points I think that she made clear points the best that he ever did was um on Ukraine but still he wouldn't say you know all he would say is that it wouldn't have happened if he was there and that's the best he could do that's piss poor that's really piss poor Brian I just I want to stick sck with that for a second how can he win on any points when one oh I didn't no no no I know that I'm I'm not saying you said this I'm asking you yeah how could he possibly win I'm sort of like setting up the the the conversation about how news outlets are going to uh analyze this and respond to this right so how can he have won any points when one as said he didn't answer one question and when he did touch on issues he did not give concrete substantive uh steps for accomplishing anything oh we'll see you'll see we have things we have idea I what what was it um we don't have a we have the like facets of the polic concepts of policies he said eight [ __ ] years okay do not have a plan to replace Obamacare but we have we have concepts of policies that's what he said yeah right well it's both I'll tell you what it really what this debate boiled down to for me was something that Harris brought up about 15 minutes into the debate when she said you got a lot of nerve talking about the rule of law when you're a convicted felon I would have hammered that one home all night long she really only took it to him once on that but she did go after his continuous lies at the end of the day that's where we're at and when he said we're a failing Nation no we're not a failing Nation he's a failing ex-president and I think that showed up I if you have yeah I she appealed to she got she went after the youth vote tonight she certainly went out and the disdain with which she showed and looked at him directly in his eye when she was talking about abortion and women's rights I think there's not a person I as as as a man I I was I I was like wow that's that you know he on the other hand could never look her in the eye once he was a coward and I think that came across very well during the debate I I thought she did extremely well in in this debate I I was impressed with how well she did in the bait and she hit issues and she offered key substantive answers to questions that Donald Trump could not answer and you know Norm it's so wonderful to see you uh especially since I'm in a good mood for the first time in many many months so it's nice to share that with you um I am I'm so eager to hear your take on this because one thing we want to do is we we want to first I I want to get everybody sort of summing up and and where they're landing on how this played out for both of The Debaters but also um later on I sort of speculate about how uh certain media Outlets might cover what we just saw but let's start first with your reactions well first of all let's point out that this is not the big news of the day the big news of the day is Mary's book a and everybody tuning in um please buy this book uh and get it for gifts holidays are coming up I know for me the holidays for me and for Jen the high holidays you know this makes a great Russia shuna gift uh so let's not so much for yum Kapur although actually well but it could a little bit of a toning going on but that's so anyway and I mean it took me longer to write the book than it took for uh C Harris to prepare for the debate well breakfast you could read it for breakfast after the Chinese food it'd be fine nor anyhow uh I have seen a lot of debates uh as an old guy and I've never seen a bigger uh Slaughter than we saw tonight and it I mean at one level it's not surprising to me in the sense that I I got to believe that the couple of I can't say sane people but professional people on the Trump team tried to warn him uh not to take the bait over and over again but we all knew he could not stop himself and the way she handled this debate and it was mostly Prosecuting it's true but there were a few answers where she pivoted back and uh talking about democracy um in in uh in one instance in particular where she also just managed very skillfully to portray herself as a good competent caring person who is not a threat in any way and one part of this that I think really has to be mentioned I went in with a little apprehension of uh because of the way analysts treat women candidates and I was you know uh really uneasy that when she went into prosecutorial mode that they would portray it as shrill that they would portray her as emotional she threaded that needle so beautifully and uh and you know even look at the closing statements I I will say that what made me wince almost as much as anything else during the debate with Biden was yeah okay you can you know get flustered in the middle and you can get yourself baited into talking about your golf handicap uh but you you are prepared with a two-minute closing statement and he didn't have that right she had a terrific closing statement that pivoted in just the right way the future against the past Unity over Division and he just went off on another rant and I don't know how you know look we know we all know that uh that base of his it's not just that he could shoot somebody in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and not lose their votes he could take an AR-15 and mow down the whole Avenue and he wouldn't lose a vote and this won't change that for them it is hard for me to imagine that undecided voters watching this are going to come away saying you know this is the guy that I want and it's hard for me to imagine Democrats watching this and not saying I gotta get my ass out there and make sure that she wins because we cannot take this guy again and I hope that we're going to see press coverage that reflects it I I'd make just one other point um I thought I I was apprehensive about the moderators I wanted Stephanopoulos who knows his stuff um but at one level I thought the way they handled it and the fact that they challenged many of his lies although nobody seems to challenge this outrageous notion of killing babies after they're born well thankfully she did but she did but you know the moderation course and of course on the other hand they gave him so much slack they let him uh and they you know the microphones were supposed to be muted she didn't want them muted but they didn't mute the goddamn mics at all and he kept coming back mute his too much yeah it worked to her Advantage however with all of that and the contrast I have to say the contrast with the way they handled this debate in general with the way CNN handled the debate was pretty telling yeah I mean it's a very very low bar um and I do want to talk about that in a little bit but nor I stick with you for a second because you said something very important and I think one of the things I'm very much looking forward to uh I don't mean that like I'm eager about it I'm anxious about it is how this debate is uh described by uh news outlets because so many times we've seen this in in the the drive to normalize Donald Trump it's all baked in like they won't have anything to say he just acted like he always acts one I don't think that's one I think that's absurd uh to do that but two it's also not true he was unhinged and rattle tonight but for her what she did you said threaded the needle because she was going up against the expectations being entirely on her it was hers to lose it was hers to win and dealing with things that were unspoken like the angry black women Trope that black black women have been dealing with for centuries in this country and she came across as measured contemptuous in a way he completely deserved so it didn't seem gratuitous and then she would address his Insanity his um his just despicable Behavior his lies and then she would pivot it to her message and her policies so she got it all in in a way that felt organic and uh that made her seem like as you said a decent caring human being who actually experiences empathy it was brilliant and competent and clearly knowledgeable and she handled the foreign policy stuff well but for me the Highlight really was the question about race and Trump did what Trump does uh well I don't care but you know she said she's black she said not and that she handled that not by going after him in that case but by turning to the best side of America and not taking that bait um I just thought was just wonderful uh absolutely wonderful I had all the best rallies the biggest rallies well yeah I mean Jen and I were on the live stream and Jen that was one of her best moments just mocking his rallies inviting people to go to them to see what a pathetic trigger to death so I'm Jen I'm Gonna Leave You I want you to talk about that I'm Gonna Leave You for a sec I'm dehydrating as we speak so I'm gonna go run some get some water so you you take it from there I'll be right back so I appreciate that cuz I actually got another hey watch hey watch um so I have people have heard me talk so much uh pre and during debate so I want to hand it to you w since you are fresh on the scene um and tell me in your own words just how kamla Harris humiliated Donald into a into like a mashed potato mess uh and what your favorite parts were so first of all let's not disrespect mashed potatoes they're and uh if this was a perfect world and not a broken country that would be the equivalent of a a slam dunk a poster as us NBA fans call it when you just completely annihilate your defensive opponent Glide with one hand with your tongue sticking out and literally put them on a poster and I'm not just saying that for partisan reasons as hopefully the viewers know when Brian and I did this after the Biden the infamous Biden her I must cut you off yeah breaking news Taylor Swift Just endorsed oh that's huge that's huge the pressure the pressure you know why there was a huge Variety article folks that came out yesterday saying that Taylor Swift did a documentary about finding her own voice and Breaking Free where is it I thought that would finally get to her that came out in variety and I think it did and as you know she was caught hugging that Trump supporter Tiffany isn't a Mahomes is that her name Mahomes uh uh wife yeah so even though she tried to distance herself I know they're friends but she didn't sit with her recently but then I think they were seen together at the open okay I don't follow all this stuff I'm no no but that's why she was she was at the US Open acting kind of silly and flippant with uh her her boyfriend it was kind of it wasn't the best yeah it wasn't the best move for her a best look especially with what you said so her coming out especially after that debate is huge because Taylor Swift is now for this generation I'm going to do an old school reference I see everyone's age here she's this generation's Michael Jackson and Madonna that we grew up with so with the Beetles I'm even old I got I'm sorry I've got to read to you sorry am I still am I muted or can you guys hear me I can't tell okay good so I want to I'm sorry because I did had you off the screen so I want to read to you what she said on Insta do you mind well first of all the image is her that one of those photos when she's holding one of her cats so okay like many of you I watch the debate tonight if you haven't already now is a great time to do your research on the issues at hand and The Stance is these candidates take on the topics that matter to you the most as a voter I make sure to watch and read everything I can about their proposed policies and plans for this country recently I was made aware that AI of me falsely endorsing Donald Trump's presidential run was posted to his site it really conjured up my fears around Ai and the dangers of spreading misinformation it brought me to the conclusion that I need to be very transparent about my actual plans for this election as a voter simplest way to combat misinformation is with the truth I will be casting my vote for KLA Harris and Tim Walls in the 2024 presidential election I'm voting for KLA Harris this is where she tagged her at KLA Harris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to Champion them I think she is Ste steady-handed you know she does have a way of she does write her own songs she is steady-handed gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos I was so heartened and impressed by her selection of runny mate Tim Walls who has been standing up for lgbtq rights IVF and a woman's right to her own body for decades it gets better I'm almost done I've done my research and I've made my choice your research is all yours to do and the choice is yours to make I also want to say especially to firsttime voters remember that in order to vote you have to be registered I also find it's much easier to vote early I'll link where to register and find early voting dates and info in my story with love and hope Taylor Swift childless cat lady now I'm just just hoping that she will do a song that does to Donald Trump what she did to Jake Gyllenhaal hey I I mean why not man you know to well I just wish that it happened before the debate but uh well done no actually better after better after because it keeps going it keeps it going well it it adds to the momentum I think it was well placed and it was done so uh Co you know with cognizant of the facts that went uh down tonight I I'll say this uh she has more than a concept of a plan so that's she does and also let's be fair KLA Harris didn't need any help no that's she did all right I'm saying KLA Harris did not need anybody help Mary W was talking before Taylor Swift cut him off I don't listen Taylor back off waj was talking no no I I we have to honor the Taylor Swift childless cat lady endorsement she is the most powerful influential childless cat lady on Earth but it just shows you that may well be true what what I was telling uh Mary uh no not don't apologize I'm I'm so glad you brought that up Jen uh and Mercedes was apologizing but uh what I was saying is right before you came on Maria that was the equivalent what we saw K Harris versus Donald Trump was the equivalent in NBA of what you call a poster slam dunk a slam dunk that is so dominant they make a poster out of it I'm saying this as coolly as I can Brian and I were there during the infamous uh Biden Trump debate we were very critical very honest very fair I hope our viewers know that we try to be very fair here she came prepared she was calm she made uh she made her case as a prose she brought all the receipts she is a former prosecutor folks I expected this from her I'm from the Bay Area she was a DA attorney general Senator and I usually time Donald I've seen all of his debates because I'm a masochist he usually melts down in the 30 to 35 minute Mark he started melting down Folks at the 13 minute Mark why she bait that's where I Mar yeah yeah she baited him with the rally and I said he's gonna take it because his he's so thick thin skin so fickle such a narcissist and what she did really well and they prep her really well is each time he goes to Crime immigration pivot to his crime pivot to him being weak and some of the quotes if you don't mind what she said is I want to this is great lines world leaders manipulate you with flattery and favors you're a disgrace world leaders are laughing at you these are exact quotes we cleaned up his mess Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people he is weak and wrong on National Security a dictator would eat you for lunch lunch yeah I will say this what she did was the version of what we have been saying on your show for many years Mary is we all love Michelle God bless Michelle Obama she said couple years ago when they go low we go high and we said you know what the game has changed that's right when they go low you put them in a knee bar and what kamla Harris did is when you go low I'm gonna push you and not am I GNA not only gonna push you I'm gonna lay traps for you and if it was any other person any skilled normal sane uh person who has impulse control they would see Like Bugs Bunny oh eity Sam has planned a trap for me he goes head first into the Trap because of his ego and she just gently pushed him with the smile on her face it was Exquisite and I believe for people on the fence if there are any left it is clear as day Mary and Jen be on the fence she is presidential she is ready she's prepared and I'll say this she ain't President Biden this is a whole new ball game ABS it's a whole new you know what it was like it was it was like watching um so Mar Ax Murderer when uh Charlie describes Scottish martial arts and says it's when somebody's on the ground and you kick them in the head and you say [ __ ] you that's what this was like and it was awesome and I want to play the clip when uh she she did this combination of um basically dunking Donald's head in in in the toilet and giving him a wedgie at the same time uh and this was the bit about the rallies I'm going to actually do something really unusual and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch you will see during the course of his rallies he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter he will talk about windmills cause cancer and what you will also notice is that people start leaving uh oh we missed the best part I remember it people start leaving because they're exhausted and they're so bored yeah so Brian we we we've heard from a a a Donald Donald Trump team Insider that um all is not well like they're not exactly doing a backand Springs about their candidates performance tonight Brian you're muted no sorry it's okay bottles haven't been flung but they soon will be is is what I was told but um she uh she she scored with are you okay she quote she scored very well wait just to be clear these are quotes from from a text that I got from a staffer she scored very well I think she came I think he came across too mean-spirited and too shrill uh we did not do well with undecided voters we needed to reach that was the one that and the one that was pointed out to me you know was you pointed out some of the quotes that I I loved during the the thing but what he pointed out to me was what you were putting people through is unconscionable you are insulting to women of America and that was one that the Trump supporters think scored very well against uh for undecided voters so those inside the Trump Camp are going to put on a brave face in fact they're already attacking the moderators but this is what they're telling me privately yeah they said that she was given too much Mike time and look if I'm gonna criticize anything there was one issue that went on for an additional four minutes because he would not shut up and this was the Ukraine uh War bit this was the seventh uh part of it he would not shut up when they asked him how he would settle it he never would say but when she after what he said they gave him an extra four minutes all told and that was when w that she came out at the end and just cleaned it up with a dictator would eat you for lunch so all of those things are scaring the living crap out of the people inside the Trump campaign right now and we'll see what happens fall out we be in the next few days that that's one of the things she did so incredibly well she's like I will answer every single question question in four parts in great detail but first let me deal with that this [ __ ] that has just been spewed by the guy standing next to me she did it seamlessly and to give a guy four minutes whose answer to almost everything was I they we have things there are things it never would have happened it didn't happen like those aren't answers to the question what will you do um I have concepts of policies okay it's been eight years you know that's a concept of a policy it's not a plan uh so and eating the pets thing was the other one Mary that was the one oh my God that okay let's that was the one that they said he was off the rails on and they're really afraid it's gonna play badly for him eers that is we talked about this today during the Nerds it's a Despicable dangerous lie it's startic terrorism which we've been talking about here for years the moderators did a better job tonight again the bar is very very low um but some instances they did a quite good job but to let something like that I mean okay there was some factchecking but one of the problems with just sort of um bloodlessly flat treking something is you don't uh you don't highlight the dangerous like how dangerous that kind of rhetoric is it's not enough to say that doesn't happen um but at least they did right uh so I do Norm I want to talk about the moderator there well first I want to ask does anybody here think there's going to be another debate between these two not a chance well I the one caveat for that is that if this turns out not to be so close I don't think that likely I think we're still deeply divided but if we get to Mid October and he's clearly losing he may want to debate just because he's got nowhere else uh to go and she'll force the issue right because she would love to debate him every day of the week sure yeah I think you know she's not gonna say I'm ahead I don't need to do this she's gonna say please let's do it so some update a news Norman Mary her her campaign immediately said after the debate we are ready for a second debate yeah uh so I think you know they'll do a campaign shake up for Trump Laura lomer will probably be put in charge now uh uh nor nor can you because it's important because can you tell people why you're mentioning Laura lomer Laura lomer who was on the plane with him Laura ler is one of the worst people in the history of America and maybe the world world she is not just a conspiracy theorist she is a vile racist and just a an unhinged crazy person who should be nowhere near uh any lever of power um but you just described Donald she no but she's the most virulently anti- Muslim person I've ever had The Misfortune of of knowing about it's absolutely vile uh so on the moderators um I was uneasy because I don't think much of uh Network anchors these days um you know I will say I go back to uh doing um election analysis for CBS when uh Walter kronite was just on his way out and I saw Network anchors that actually had some substance behind them had really worked their way up had done the stuff that's just not the case anymore but I would give some uh props to these two um with a caveat they did do a little factchecking not enough but they did some and you know we're seeing already the Trump people saying and Frank luns uh that they only fact checked uh him why didn't they fact check her because she was [ __ ] factual that's why they didn't she didn't lie yeah so they did some of that uh what puzzled me is the degree to which they were then willing to bend over backwards to give him all this extra time now in the end yes um it didn't hurt her right it helped her because the extra time was him going off ranting again but you don't want to do that because you lose control of the debate right and that they kept turning the mic back on was a little bizarre to me the whole idea of keeping the mics off was that you can't go on a four minute extra rant and right tilt the balance but they did what you hope would be done they pushed both candidates with questions not the follow-ups so much I mean they actually could have pushed Harris more when for example they asked what about the way you handled uh and the administ handled the withdrawal from Afghanistan and she didn't answer that question she handled it skillfully she did what a debater ought to do but you could have pushed her and said well let's go back and deal with that they did she didn't answer the question about what role she played at the border which she actually I think could have done well by saying my role was to go to Central America people are leaving for uh reasons that are absolutely understandable and they're willing to travel thousands of you know there's stuff that she could have done that might have had some appeal to uh Democrats uh who may not be all that happy with the tough stuff on the border yeah but that aside uh if you're going to criticize the debate I I wouldn't put a lot of focus on the moderators or the structure or the questions that were asked yeah I it was it was light years beyond what we saw in in Atlanta for sure and um I think that there were advantages to um letting him I mean I I personally didn't like it the as as you said Norm the mics were supposed to be muted keep them muted I mean it I think it would have been you know the one argument is it was instructive to see him just keep going blathering on and on and kind of becoming more in hinged but the other argument is how is he going to handle it when he has you know he's this pressure cooker and he wants to get this stuff out because he's losing his mind but nobody can hear him except kamla Harris we didn't get to see that because they kept turning his mic back on which was bizarre and and watch I mean I agree with Norm there were there were follow-ups uh for KLA Harris that they could have asked and yes she could have gone a little deeper in some of her questions but like how do you how do you balance it when one guy answers no questions at all and when he does get ask follow-ups he he just ignores them and just only he he goes to his comfort zone America is a failing Nation it's more horrible than anybody's ever seen it's a horror show uh World War III nihilism they're they're horrible I mean like you know H how do you like it isn't it it it's impossible to hold them to the same standard basically exactly it's impossible but since the bar is so low that it's in hell and as Norman said uh Norman said you know we had that last debate where uh there was no moderation you might as well just have ai this time at least they called out some Whoppers and I'm glad they did this is the first time that Trump was not Donald was not allowed to get away with the Whopper of a lie that Democrats execute babies after they're born said this at least three times on CNN and no one has corrected him and finally finally finally both Lindsey Davis and KLA Harris corrected him they took time to correct him they corrected him on January 6th they corrected him on uh losing the election results and they corrected him on abortion rights and also she followed up Lindsay Davis followed up on his uh what was that uh Brian you said it's failing me his outlines of a plan for uh yeah he has the outlines of concept of a plan concept of a plan yeah so she said what exactly do you mean by concept of a plan so this is what is accomplished Mary by even the bare minimum of the fourth estate doing its job the bare minimum is selectively coming in and saying wait a second my job as a moderator is to actually give context to this question which they did a couple of times and then do a followup and that is what was so egregiously lacking for the past oh I would say nine years but especially in the last debate that when it is done in ly it is seen as so effective and it Zer in on Trump's lies [ __ ] and exaggerations which is why right about halfway in the debate once they realized that their guy was melting down and having a horrible night what magga did is now they've pivoted to you talked about stochastic terrorism who is trending right now David mure and ABC News deep state conspiracy ABC News liberals we knew we shouldn't have done it and all he did was actually do what a moderator is supposed to do if KLA came in and said batshit lies like Donald did repeatedly they would correct him and KLA thankfully brought the receipts I mean speaking about the The Bugs Bunny traps that she laate like we could see it we're like Donald if I was his friend which I will never will be Donald she has laid a trap for you do not walk into it Donald Donald goes no I must walk into it I must talk about my rallies Central Park 5 just pivot pivot to immigration I will talk about Central Park 5 and I was actually correct even though he was exagerated I'm like abortion no one has done more for IVF no one and I'm like this no no he said fertility fertility fertilizer fertilizer I mean this is I meaning Channel by Donald it's like that's the perfect image it's like a friend saying Donald it's not actually a tunnel it's just black paint on the side of a rock he's like don't tell me I've walked in the black Paints in the tunnels the tunnel will cave for me and you're like oh God all the best tunnels I have all the best I will walk through the bricks I'm super human and so this is one of the situations where I know Brian just posted uh in our chat the the spin but even on Fox Brit Hume who is a professional you know uh right-wing hack said if you look at the clip this was not a good night for Donald and and the whole time Mary what we've said for I mean it's only been about a month and a half since KLA has taken over they were completely prepared for Joe Biden they have no he said it he said at least three times Joe Joe like he was it was like an old lover that he couldn't get over and then she she called him out she goes uh I'm running for president which was another humiliating moment he had no pivot yeah exactly and J I want I want to get to uh the spin in a second but Jen first of all as we know um Donald is very there are very few things he's good at but one of them is pre- riging things right or uh setting other people up in advance he did that to Mike Pence like weeks ahead of time he was making Mike Pence the potential Fall Guy if Mike Pence didn't do his bidding um and then he almost got the guy hanked um for this debate for weeks now it's rigged ABC is in the tank for KLA Harris they're going to give her the questions they're going to give her softball questions etc etc are most of the people who watch this debate going to buy that line H well I mean you're asking me an empirical question for which I have not done the math mathematical calculation I'm asking I'm asking you to speculate uh intelligently I mean I don't even like they're not I don't think anyone's going to be able to hear that question over the insane amount of laughter I mean my M you know sometimes when you when you watch something like this you know you could forget what happened so I did what Brian did and I took all these notes throughout but despite my notes like all I go back to it I'm so glad we l this independently is the moment she baited him for the first time with the with the rallies like I invite you to go to one of his rallies and it was downhill from there but we you know Danielle and Mary and I were watching this and Danielle and I are much more like expressive we were like snapping and chearing yeah I was like every time at the TV every time I was stand I had my M volume off and I was stamping my feet on the floor it was very fun to watch them enjoy the debate while I was just because every time like you're saying the way you're describing it he every time he took the the bait and so I just don't think it's about yes I love the factchecking but he dug his own ditch and he kept digging it didn't matter you know down when he's down in that ditch digging and digging if he could even hear the moderators I'm not so sure I mean he was just digging well he was too deep in the hole that he was digging to hear anything I think at that point um but let's face it he there are no circumstances under which he was going to answer any of those questions because he's learned and I it fair enough he's never had to it's not expected there were literally no expectations placed upon Him by corporate media before this debate I said this before like he all he had to do was keep his pants on and by the way he didn't well metaphorically speak a little bit I definitely think he soiled them well yeah I so thank thank goodness he kept them on what was amazing to me you know nor nor like nor I didn't have great expectations but I did think they did the right balance because if they actually treated him fairly they would have demolished him I think they did just the right amount of kind of let me go back to the question I was asking you but my I think one of my favorite Parts was when he was asked about when he was asked about his plan to replace the Affordable Car Act the one that he was say remember like years ago I'll have it in three weeks I mean I swear to God what I think the line I think I took the notes on that but it was kind of concept yeah he's like working on a concept we have the clip let's play it because play that CP fascinating and remember eight years he's had eight years and for four of those he was in the White House kind of in charge of things a Mercedes yeah exactly Mercedes if we get know you still do not have a plan I have concepts of a plan I'm not president right now but if we come up with something I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive and there Concepts and options we we have to do that and you'll be hearing about it in the not too distant future like sure Jen you know seriously her facial expressions were just perfect brilliant perfect I was hoping you would say look I would have come up with it this week but it's infrastructure week my God that's where I was going for four years every week was infrastructure week and we never got it never got it we got a lot of pictures with Donald in a truck pretending he was honking the horn um so right I want you to talk a little bit about the post- debate spin you've been seeing uh from Donald side of things um because I think it's it's it's gonna be the shape of things to come I got two emails from his Camp already uh president Trump dominated tonight's debates ABC debate was nothing short of rigged and a slap in a face to the American people to hear how crime and inflation yeah whenever I read Donald all I can tell you is Casey comes to mind an American Top 40 or WWE Smackdown while kamla pedal lie after lie actually was he was lying president Trump stood for truth justice and the no truth and exposed Kam's socialist record which of course she has none uh and then he pointed a c few key things that R he lied and and then the the one that came out to his uh fundraising fans this was in all caps good night conla your campaign is over exclamation point well it kind of is actually because she doesn't need one anymore well he's doing it for I just stepped off the stage with Conrad KLA Harris and I again all caps wipe the floor with her exclamation point she tried to run away from her record I don't think she did uh she thought she could deceive the entire country into believe leing she's a moderate and here we go all caps but we exposed her for the dangerous liberal that she is exclamation point and of course lindsy Graham came out and said that he sucked and the debating team should be fired because Donald Trump was so unprepared so that's the reaction you're getting from Republicans right now which is oh hey Danielle awesome um I mean let's be fair like when has he ever been prepared but uh you see the difference is he's debating somebody uh who can handle him and he's not afraid to handle him and also you forgot that she's gone to My Philosophy I don't Donald doesn't even know what philosophy is in fact I was going to send her a magah hat the only thing missing from this Danielle was I really really really I don't think she called him a loser which would have kind of made my night but I also wish she had just turned around especially like after some stupid thing like she's she's gone to My Philosophy turned around and said you are such a child you cannot have somebody immature and who who's constantly uh speaking to the lowest common denominator in charge of anything and it also would have been nice if she had pointed out that the only job he could actually get in this fraking country is the presidency because we're so broken I mean I I I think that the number of times that she used the word weak the number of times that she said that he lost um I'm being greedy I know I know it but I'm just saying and and the fact that he said that she said you know 81 million people fired you was probably like to me that was like shots fired all over the place like I'm sorry for that punt but that is just like 81 from from the man who made his claim to fame as you are fired to be reminded of the 81 million people who said they don't want you that and then the the last big thing that she did for me was I meet with world leaders I've met with leaders all over the world and they're laughing at you oh oh oh it was a thing of beauty it was a thing of beauty and also her really long pause at one point before she said former president where I know in my heart POS because I know a good I know a good [ __ ] when I see one bubbling up and that was that was a [ __ ] that was waiting to get out I was saying POS but you might be right no no no because we know from Tik Tok that her favorite her F yes she was asked what her favorite swear word is and it's she said well it starts with an m and it ends with an uh yeah like I can't said she said not an ER an yeah I am way too waspy to be able to get away with saying it uses when she turns black I said I say it with the the the the final R but still like that's what she was thinking so watch you just put this I I absolutely love what you just put in the chat can you share with us I will Abby Phillips of CNN just tweeted I copy pasted it's about three minutes ago Donald Trump is in the spin room which if you know anything about spin rooms is usually not a good sign end it's a really bad sign and Jen one of the things about that that I love so much is that he actually thinks it's gonna help like for him to get more exposure tonight he actually thinks that's going to help him yeah I mean my good is gracious the guy is so diluted he is so out of his mind uh that you know and I I so now I do I do want to Pivot unless you have something else to say I about that I want to Pivot to what should our expectations be what should we be prepared for because in in a sane World well okay in a sane country we wouldn't be having this conversation because Donald Trump would be in prison and and com Harris would be running against ni Nikki haly or somebody um but assuming that that this debate was going to happen anyway in a reasonable world this election would be over and the next polls would show her 25 points ahead that's not going to happen because we're broken um but uh just curious like what do you what do you think given what we just saw with our own eyes and what everybody watching with us saw with their own eyes like can anybody get away with saying yeah this doesn't matter no it it matters it's not going to change the world but I think this is a you know when Harris first emerged as the nominee we got this huge swell of excitement and adrenaline flowing and inevitably that was going to settle down um it has not we haven't seen the bumps in the road that you would normally find in a campaign I give her enormous credit that she has managed to pull together a marriage of her people and the Biden campaign people yes many of whom do not like each other without a hitch but this is another big bounce up and she has to capitalize on the enthusiasm that emerges from this they put out a brilliant ad today that showed Mark Millie Mark esper John Bolton all on camera saying what she reflected back in the debate tonight I want to see some ads that show Trump at his worst in this debate I want to well they'd have to play the whole thing yeah well but you know they have a a a a cornucopia of options to be plethora shall we say yeah but you know both of those terms and you w to do it in a way that uh hits the right voters in the right places and that means getting those uh uh you know they're not on the fence but the ones who haven't paid a lot of attention who are a part of your base that you need the young people of color and get them energized to realize what the stakes are in this and boy do you want to hit those Suburban voters with what uh the college educated ones in the key States who have to look at this and say we can't possibly have this guy back yeah I I I think um I I don't think we could have asked for a a more Stark comparison between the two candidates Jen I want to get to to you in a second about um expectation setting but W has has a correction for us because I too was like who the [ __ ] is Abdul like who's he who why who's like why is he calling somebody AB what is going on is basically what I was thinking was Abdul is trending because the nation right now is asking the same question that Jen just asked me in the chat who is Abdul and my answer is I knew Abdul in college uh during uh UC Berkeley there's an Abdul nice guy H uh there's he's like in your study group or something but apparently to Donald Abdul no first no no honorifics last name Taliban is just the dude named Abdul in Afghanistan uh the leader of the Taliban during the time was mullah akun who was in charge since 2016 not a guy named Abdul and because we're talking about the Muslims and the Arabs in the Middle East uh I'm sure you also heard a hoodie I heard Donald talk about a hoodie andish I'm like the whole time like hoodie what's a hoody andish guys talk about the hotties and I wish they would have asked him about hotties who they're aligned with who they're F dead by what's their plan in Yemen uh but they didn't so it's either hotties or hooti and the Blowfish and with Donald the man who talks about Hannibal Lector and Abdul you just it's an adventure Mary you just don't know it it is like write your own adventure and where where's Waldo all combined and I mean it's literally like calling Vladimir Putin Ivan because Ivan is like the most Russian name you can think I don't know it's justo so and like that honestly though I know it's not the most important thing in the world but that should have been fact checked his name Donald is not Abdul it's this other day right I mean it like how how difficult is that because those little things about like those how many how many candidates have gotten tripped up uh and accused of being incompetent because they couldn't remember somebody's name he gets call the guy Abdul 50 times and not get called out on it anyway Jen before the debate started we talked about uh the Absurd burden that was placed upon V Vice President Harris like it was literally all about what she had to hide from with how she could lose what she needed to do to win and the truth of the matter is that she like you could validly say that she had more opportunities than Donald did like we've established his ceiling his ceiling is actually has the potential to get lower we have no idea what her ceiling is and this debate was um could very well help establish what the range was going to be and I think if if we're not talk if other news outlets aren't talking about that tomorrow that's a good indication that they are not to be taken seriously because again she knocked this out of the park I I mean like the woman hit like 14 Grand Slam home runs in in in this 90minut debate so Mary my expectations I I knew she would do well I felt that there was so much pressure on her and it was almost like what people were're doing is this is someone who has been painting in her St you know in her like private studio and we really haven't seen we've seen a few of her sketches we've seen some of her work and everyone's saying oh you should be abstract expressionist or someone else is saying no do pointal list and she just [ __ ] shows up and does like portrait in a convex Mirror by Joan Van Ike and you know the one where you can see like the [ __ ] every Exquisite detail I mean she did something tonight that I think the reason why I had the chill and Danielle we're both sort of freaking out is we just couldn't believe how rich it was how nuanced and how she hit every [ __ ] Mark and the only bad thing I can say is that she has set the bar so goddamn high for every woman in the world after this I mean the woman deserved to be president just you know before this debate um but after this there was no one in their right mind in the media who can't who who who understands ertoic words policy drama all of the pieces wouldn't say that this was possibly the best performance that they have ever seen in a presidential debate in their lifetime I mean it's it's ridiculous how good she was yeah I I'm a I'm a high Italian Renaissance Northern uh Italian Renaissance person so she was Jad she was Dominico G Ando she was hello she was Michelangelo she was dish she was dto was all of them she was all of the Masters at once um and you know P at least I didn't say Elizabeth W this time AR thank goodness I mean do you know what happened like like people stopped watching when no I'm kidding we went off an Elizabeth let's keep talking Italian art it's fun hey that I could do um anyway so uh what we saw tonight it's a it to me and I what I want to do because we've got to end it's I could we could talk all night honestly like I'm feeling very amped up but it's going to be a very long week for me and it's late so I want to go around and get everybody's like highlight and what you and your expectation um so what I'm going to say is that tonight was just another reminder to me of how deprived we've been of uh Joy of this sense that there's some and all do respect to President Biden again he's the best president in my lifetime uh he's still the president he's still doing the work America is still succeeding and getting better under his watch this is not about this is not about that this is about what has happen moving forward tonight KLA Harris reminded us just as she did at the beginning of her campaign that we deserve kindness and empathy and we deserve a leader who is exquisitly competent and is is attuned to what the American people need and to what American potential means and she demonstrated tonight that she's a real leader who can lead us in a way that I you know that we need for this time she's she is from a different generation uh she has a different kind of energy she's brilliant she's strong and she knows how to defeat the the thickness that has metastized under Donald Trump and that is a beautiful thing and that's what moved me tonight um I would I I mean I'm not surprised that she you know nailed all of the policy stuff and uh performed well like that you know that I wasn't expecting anything else but the way that she was able to handle him the way that she she diffused him in a way he needed to beused nine years ago and I think there were so many things against Hillary Clinton uh it wasn't her it was the context the context has changed and she was the person KLA Harris was the person for that job is the person for that job now and it just I don't know man it uh it just I feel be better than I have in a very long time so uh Brian I want to start with you well uh let me just I think the high point uh to your point when they were talking about race she described herself as a new generation of leadership to sum it up what um in speaking with undecided voters beforehand they wanted to see a definite Direction and definite plans she provided them Donald Trump consistently pulls between 42 and 44% of the vote if he falls below that following this debate Donald Trump is in essence done she did what she had to do to to appeal to the undecided voters Donald Trump did nothing but appeal to those who already love Donald Trump and by the way he didn't give them a whole lot of reasons to continue loving him some of the things that he said tonight would in fact anger some of the people that profess to love him and certainly he did not do himself any favors with the down ballot Republicans he did not do himself any favors with the Republican Party he only appeased himself so once again what I saw the highlight of of it was her putting out uh valuable policy uh stances her ask and answering specific questions with a couple of minor exceptions Donald Trump not answering any questions of substance and at the same time angering the the World by and and look at the end of the day when she laughed and said the world is laughing at you that perhaps was the most telling put down of the night it was not even it it wasn't even an exaggeration in across the world people are done with Donald Trump and tonight I think was the closing of the book or on Donald Trump uh Hallelujah uh W um also wait just really quickly what one thing we did not uh discuss and we don't need to discuss it now but I want to mark it because it's insane this whole notion that children are going being sent to school as as boys or girls and essentially being sub objected to uh surgery in the nurse's office to change their gender I mean anybody who says that with a straight face you know he actually got away with that and there was no push back so let's mark that because it's just it's another one of these it's not just a lie it's insane anyway sorry W I just want I I saw your your Tweet or your private chat note and I I it reminded me that that's another one of those really kind of dangerous laws that we need to keep track of anyway sorry go ahead I will answer a question by letting you all know what was trending while Donald was speaking eating pets hand Mal Lector Run Spot Run eating dogs run Spot Run I forgot about that that was awesome abortion in the nth Charlottesville and this whoer of a line that you said that will quote transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison end quote can't make it up and so what we saw was a clear difference between a polished professional who's prepared a career prosecutor versus a career criminal and what I really want to stress here is there was a moment that I tweeted because I really meant it just to see a black Indian woman look at this this deranged old angry racist and just laugh at him just smiling not really just laugh just with a little smile and a smirk it warmed the cockal of my jaded heart you know to see to see the daughter of black Indian immigrants in the year 2024 be the one that inshallah might take this obscene vulgarity of a man down learning from some of the mistakes that Hillary Clinton made not necessarily due to her uh uh not because of her fault because Society at that time even now was misogynist and didn't allow her to be herself and kamla Harris coming into her own in this year nine years later after that moment and she could be the one who dismantled him she baited him she humiliated him she mocked him she brought the facts she brought the receipts and she is the right person for this moment because she dismantled him in a way that I have not seen him be dismantled by anybody else in a debate she has those skills and she brought a lifetime of skills it's like it's like a a professional basketball player entering their like you know third fourth year when they get all the skills and they just bring it in the playoff game and she brought it and it's one of those situations in a perfect R Mary like you said we live in an absurd country should be a slam dunk but I do believe it'll move like Norm said this also it'll move the needle enough for anyone who's just remotely on the fence I do think they'll see this and go I I can't go back to this this this I can't eating pets angry old grievance this woman seems competent let's give KLA a try yeah I I I think this should underscore to many people how uh undesirable it is to continue to exist on this very narrow bound of human emotion rage uh fear anger whatever and yes a highlight of the debate was watching her her expressions of bemused condescension and contempt because I know from experience what a what you know the the racism in my family the misogyny in my family to have it handed to him by a a a black Indian woman is just it's like the best thing that could ever happen honestly uh Danielle I mean you know tonight was Karma tonight is what Karma looks like like I think that we have all wanted to see Donald Trump carted off in an orange jumpsuit handcuffed and had into prison for all of the crimes that he has committed not only during his four years as president but throughout his career right um and I think that kamla Harris is beyond ready and the surgical I mean we said this you know while we were watching together uh Mary the surgical way that she dismantled him that she showed that the emperor has no clothes that Donald Trump has concepts of plans but no actual plans um that all he is filled with is Grievances and looked directly to camera and said he does not have a plan for you America right like it was a thing of beauty yeah and the way that she was able to both maintain her composure her demeanor the smile the pity right that she looked at him with like you poor stupid feeble man like oh my you poor thing they shouldn't have rolled you out here on that stage like that and against me and then reminded him I just want to remind you I'm not Joe Biden you're not running against him sweetie you're running against me bless his heart you know bless your heart you poor dumb fool like it just it was gorgeous it was gorgeous and I pray that this will be studied because like Jen said the bar for debates she blew the roof off of this yep right like this she blew the roof off of this so you know I can go to bed feeling very good tonight very good tonight that is such an important point because uh we talked about this today Donald by virtue of his pathologies and by virtue of the the the the weaknesses in our systems and how broken we are as a country has bent certain um what's the word I'm looking for uh certain systems like weak systems Bend towards the most dysfunctional member of them right he's changed the way uh judges approach cases he's changed the way we judge debates right tonight KLA Harris took that back and she said no no no no you don't judge a de the winner of the debate by the guy who obfuscates and lies uh with velocity and intensity and is loud and is obnoxious that's that's not how you judge these things you judge a the winner of the debate by who can put whom in his place and who can at the same time counter the Insanity while being presidential it was as you say gorgeous it was Exquisite in and I'm I'm I'm this is a a call back it's Exquisite it was Exquisite in the way mathematics can be Exquisite Jen yes I'm sorry I dropped my mic so that's okay I think my final analogy um we've been talking about that look that she had you know whether it was a look of pity or whether it was resting um incredulity I saw on the Press resting incredulity resting contemptuous face or see said she had a quizzical look but what I feel like is she came just this close to Breaking the third wall I just felt fourth fourth wall what the [ __ ] I for there I always forget a ceiling you know what I mean I think it's like a roofless building but she almost got this close to breaking the fourth wall in that although she was looking with him you almost thought she was going to look at the camera and be like are you [ __ ] you guys you guys [ __ ] looking at this [ __ ] if she had thought she was fainted with joy but that's why she was that close to looking right out and just saying are you guys watching this with me because this is an [ __ ] show and that's what I love about felt that's what it felt like she was doing and that's why Donald is out in the spin room because the one thing this man has always been able to do in this salesman mode or convince people is just talk people to death with confusion and it's not going to help him to be out there with those people who are tired they know he lost and it's he's like Willie lman at this point it's pretty sad yeah and and honestly uh one of the best uh blows she landed was telling him that he's confused so he's not going to be able to talk his way out he's not going to be able to talk his way out of a paper bag anymore I dorm your thought last thoughts um so a few things uh first um I love Joe Biden um I love him personally he was with me through my tragedies as he has been with so many others he has been an incredible president but the matchup with Donald Trump was an awful one yeah uh we did not have the contrast we needed she is the perfect matchup and we saw that tonight in so many ways she is smart he is not she is knowledgeable he is not she is presidential he is not she is young he is not and and that and she did as you say Mary she looked you could look at her and say I can see her as the President of the United States and that is you know unfortunately in this Society for a woman a a real Hill to climb for far too many people but it was all there so we are so fortunate that this worked out the way it did a couple of highlights for me that we haven't talked about I think enough one is right at the beginning walking over and putting her hand out and leaving him it was clear he didn't want to do it he wasn't going to go anywhere and it was like it was dominating it was like okay you [ __ ] go ahead don't shake my hand see what that does for you instead you're gonna shake my hand just like if you are a dog and I say sit and you sit that I thought was a brilliant move on her part to start it out and the second is as and we have mentioned this before when the race issue came up she didn't take the bait she didn't attack him for that she took the high road and did it so eloquently but what's going to be the most important thing out of this for her I think was her incredibly perfect answer on abortion yes and I I if we're looking at where you're going to sway voters or make them understand how clearly this is a choice I wish it were on Democracy in some respects because that's my wheelhouse yeah uh and it matters but it's that issue and she will be great for that but I'd make a final sort of caveat to this they are in a corner now and we know I mean one of the things you talk about the dogs and the cats this disgusting piece of [ __ ] JD Vance who started this ball rolling on Springfield Ohio and then when it was proven false went on Twitter and said hey everybody keep saying it so he's he is really the perfect Protegé to Donald Trump to repeat the lies they are gonna go to Dark Places now and very dark places and it may result in violence they're certainly going to find other ways that they can to destroy votes to suppress votes to have their crazy people make sure that the votes don't take place and those people include secretaries of State like Frank lose in Ohio they include uh paid for justices like in North Carolina where they violate the law and cost taxpayers millions and millions so that they can put RFK Jr's name back on the ballot and they have to reprint all the ballots they include paid for outrageous justices in Missouri who decide that they're not going to put an abortion referendum on the ballot when it's clearly qualified to do so so we have to prepare ourselves and we have to take the euphoria that we feel now with this route in the debate and recognize that this is the beginning of the next chapter in this fight and we cannot give an inch and we cannot rest for a second and we have to get everybody mobilized out there to make sure that we capitalize on this and don't let them get away with the stuff they're going to try and get away with absolutely we said this back in 2020 there's no bottom if Donald Trump thinks he's going down and tonight he does maybe for the first time like he really is feeling it there is nothing he won't do if he feels like he can't save himself he will try to take everybody down with him we cannot pretend that he is still not one of the most dangerous people we've ever encountered in American history he will stop at nothing if it means destroying everybody if he's going to be just he's a nihilist he cannot imagine that anything can exist Beyond him he doesn't care about any of us he doesn't care about anybody or anything beyond him Norm is absolutely right we need to stay vigilant we need to stay locked into this it is not going to be over until January 20th 20125 and that's when we need to start building up and strengthening our democracy uh so that we don't do not need to keep fighting these fights we have to stop fighting these rear guard actions against Fascism and make America a true democracy for all of its people and we can only do that if KLA Harris is the next president of the United States of America and tonight as we all agree she made that case inarguably so let's make this happen um I am so grateful we had so many people watching with us all through the night I'm so grateful for you guys we had like 20,000 comments or more um it just just so extraordinary um you guys make make this this is why we do this you know because we we really want to make a difference here and Independent Media is the way to go and on a personal note I I cannot tell you how grateful I am to have the five of you here uh you I'm just so grateful that you're all in my life Danielle Bryan Jen W Norm uh I love all of you yes subscribe to the channel I'm trying to have a moment but let's subscribe to the channel too was all of us in the chat because Mary's like all of us we're like she's probably gonna log off before saying subscribe I'm not now I'm seeing it's like subscribe exclamation point 20 billion times okay so subscribe guys so the so I can say something nice to my nerd Avengers subscribe to the channel so I don't have to say it again but seriously I I love you I respect you I am so honored to be in your company uh to to be able to share nights like tonight with you just it it I don't know it it just um I'm deeply deeply grateful and uh especially it's been a very tough It's been a very tough few years and uh it's it's even better when we can share moments that that feel like a victory because there's they've been so few and far between so thank you my friends uh you're amazing and we're just going to keep doing the work uh we are going to keep doing the work so uh we're gonna we're gonna end it there it's been an amazing night thank you all for sharing it with us uh and we will see you uh well we'll see you I'm not going to I'm not going to go through all the shows because we're exhausted but the Nerds will be here Thursday say um for sure and you know the other shows uh and let's win this thing let's win let's win all right love you all and we will see you soon stay safe be kind and vote vote good night