when there's a large threat there's two things that you define you define the threat and then you define your defenses all I'm saying is if we are taking an honest look at what our best chance to defend ourselves against a perceived threat I think we are selling ourselves short and in in a lot of ways using as as Tommy put it omera to stifle what could be an incredibly productive at least conversation even if Joe Biden came out and said look I understand where I'm at in my lifespan and cycle and what I do here's how this government works rather than coming out and becoming trumpian and saying you think someone else could hold NATO together they could never only God can tell me to get out of the race like if he were to come out and say Here's here's my team here's how we hold the line but we're not seeing any of that nothing that's been done inspires any confidence other than the fatalism of it is what it is and this is what we're stuck with and that's the part that I think has degraded people's trust in institutions and the government from the get-go that's a problem I'm a blend of both okay so I'm it is what it is and I'm working towards what I believe to be the ultimate goal which is to defeat Donald Trump While others are having discussions about the visceral reaction they had to the debate and Alternatives but I also think those discussions are decently healthy again I don't I'm not trying to excommunicate the the Pod boys I'm I'm mad they were listed in an email a blast email right I'm not that's not pod damn them Jes Christ I actually have a sticker that says Pricks for Pricks for Biden that got me too I got one yeah he gave me one of thoseo so like I'm not I think I think the discussion is healthy because I'm going to need all of you all if going to win this race and I'm going to need all of you all to want to put every ounce of your being in although we disagree on who the nominee is or who we believe the nomin will be I am still you know working towards that same goal which is to rid ourselves of fascism because I believe after November if Donald Trump is reelected it can go really bad really quickly guys let me ask you this you know uh when you talk about uh reading ourselves that what do I do with my anger at a Democratic party that honestly has put us in this rocking a hard place position that wasn't honest over this past year about what was happening internally at the White House was not in any way preparing the public for kamla Harris wasn't doing any of that there was a I don't know if it's complacency or deceit or whatever it was but a Democratic party that missed all of the threats that were coming their way and and has left us vulnerable here I I hear you there I think B's right that normally incumbent presidents run again and I think he said he wouldn't let's be fair he said he wouldn't there was a suggestion that he would not run for re-election that he would be the bridge the Next Generation I he made it by the way not a suggestion he said it yes uh but he never said I will not run again anyway step that aside I think President Biden uh and his advisers took the wrong message from the 2022 midterms that this was somehow about support for the White House when in reality it was Donald Trump helping Elevate some really terrible candidates like Dr Oz who got their clocks cleaned right and then he made his decision to run again and it sound look I don't know I'm not around Joe Biden ever I've seen him two or three times in the last six months but it sounds like the the change the decline has been pretty rapid well listen we saw him at an LA fundraiser out here that's kind of a lot two to three times in around the president a few times yeah we had a couple of beers cool let me let me let me contextualize that I saw in person at a fundraiser and then I watched him on the debate and the in-person fundraiser I saw in Los Angeles a couple weeks before the debate was as bad as the debate everyone I walked out of the debate with John was there we were talking to people around us in seats uh funder people we didn't know in this fundraiser we were like that was chilling in fact George Clooney just wrote an up at about how we need a new nominee and he he hosted the fundraiser and he just said the same thing in the New York Times which is what everyone at the fundraiser thought like everyone was there like what what happened look I I he just flown back from Italy right so like everyone was like oh he must just be so unbelievably jet legged but obviously there is a more systemic problem