RotoViz Fantasy Football Report: FFPC FantasyPros Draft No. 2

welcome back to the fantasy football report on RZ I'm your host Blair Andrews I'm joined by Hassan rahee and Kevin cenic how's it going guys you know it's it man the last Sunday without football I don't know I'm gonna miss it I'm gonna miss it you know yeah nice to have a really long vacation I don't know yeah do drafts all all all offseason doesn't really feel like a vacation I'm like kind of happy that all the baseball stuff's winding down right now because I think that's a little more of a grind uh it's pretty much every day all day doing slow drafts from I don't know when they open in February till about now so it's nice to kind of be like having that kind of wind down and just get ready for the season so ready to do it [Music] yeah and do it we are second managed League we're back uh question is are we gonna get any better running backs that is the question last last week I would let me see if I can share the draft board from our draft last week just so we can give the viewers some context um it was a team that I think we all felt pretty good about but uh as you know there's always a concern about a week our running backs are right so here we are from the nine slot a Jamar Chase team which looked better back then now the the reporting on Chase has kind of gone a little bit more negative although I think there was always this risk that he wasn't uh that he was GNA do this kind of contract stuff so maybe we should have seen that going in on the other hand I think the news is getting better on puka so maybe it's a wash yeah I mean look like the the last draft the last that the last draft was more of like um a story you really have to be there because there were a bunch of characters in this draft um uh like realistically I I don't know how to like explain this without the people actually experiencing the actual draft as it unfolded um and my only regret is that people were like don't have access and we no longer have access to the to the to the chat unfortunately um there was there the the big thing about these ffbc drafts especially at like the mid-stakes level is there's a lot of characters in here um and I would heavily encourage everyone to go back and and listen to it if only for the uh for all the the BS that went down um um uh in the just in the draft chat anyway so enough of me vamping there I I do think from like our perspective I still think Jamar Chase is going to play um this is probably been what like this Blair we've been doing this for how long now and I'm I'm getting old UHA the seven season now together uh we're I think we're coming up on like almost yeah anyway so but this goes back to like back when we were like doing the old rv32 series from a few years ago where you'd always be just amazed at um the Bengals and just sort of how inefficient they are in terms of just salary cap and just kind of how cheap they are uh as as an organization um I remember we had uh Josh ADHD on a few a few seasons ago where we all clown the Bengals for like a good 50 minutes um just sort of how just you know underscoring how cheap they are but but I do think Jamar Chase is going to play the news Uka as you mentioned is is is a little bit more bullish I'm I'm really liking that George Pickin pick a lot more now and now like just in like even even with the you know the benefit of hindsight realizing that we're in a tough running back position I think if uh like I think that that's realistically the one that that really threw me and this is this the discussion that I want to have with you guys is Dre McBride because uh while we were while we were planning on this chat uh or like this draft you guys are like interested in McBride we have the 11 slot so like defend this defend this McBride take well I think uh I mean I don't think defend this McBride in the first [ __ ] I should say well I took him in the second at the 10 spot a couple days ago so uh so I don't know about getting him in the first I think there's probably I mean if leaport is there we take leaport I don't think he's be going at the four spot again but I don't think that Harrison Jer just going to come in and just completely take over that whole entire of the the target share in that offense I think it'll be pretty evenly distributed between the two and then pretty much if you're if you're in the tight end premium I mean he's I think he's he's a good pick at the early second round just depending on who else is there like I take him over Harrison straight up just could for the positional value uh like if Garrett wils I mean Garrett Wilson would obviously be above him puka is like a kind of back and forth on that like just I guess depends on how frisky I'm feeling that day of of who of who who i' grab in that instance but I mean I feel like he's worthy of an early second spot in this format oh no no no but you guys were you guys were uh on McBride as a first round pick that's that's what that's why I'm asking you to defend that day don't don't walk it back now you guys were saying you want to take McBride in the first go down on your on your back um so so either so so like just to be clear you guys are not interested in Jamar in the event that he slides to us at 111 you'd rather have McBride or lepto no if Jamar Chase slides to us at 11 I think he becomes a fairly easy pick I do think that you know if you if leaport is gone if Jamar Chase is gone Jefferson's gone Garrett Wilson's gone probably McBride is the next guy for me so you think so at 11 at 11 he I mean I'm not taking saquin over him I'm not taking Taylor over him Gibbs is a little more tempting but probably not that's a tough one I mean I think Gibbs is the tough one to me right like I mean just just looking at while looking at how this board broke I'd honestly think Chase does fall to us at 11 because now you can see probably Jefferson and Wilson moved up and then Chase comes back although okay so I guess the real question here is AJ Brown versus McBride right like that's I think that's not a question that's that's not a question right not for me for me I'm definitely McBride over AJ Brown I think Brown's a clear second round pick value I think we get but I think we get both is is my point there but you take mbde first and then you force the AJ brown right yeah well I mean yeah although even in the second I think I would probably push back against an AJ Brown pick oh at some point he definitely becomes a valuable pick I'm just I just think that's probably a little bit later than I don't know it's probably around 205 with AJ why and what what has you so bearish on AJ Brown I mean it's just that I prefer some of the guys who are going in the second over him like I'd rather have puka I'd rather have Gibbs um I I would have uh maybe Taylor ahead of brown oh so so like you're so the like I guess I'm kind of I'm kind of with it right in that like uh like there is like a clear like um deer break right where where the where and then there's a very there's a very okay so very clear value I guess I guess so like what are your guys's takes on or what are your feelings on um going tight end running back right that's a tough one depends on who the running back is yeah and I guess it's gonna be Gibbs or Taylor right and who I mean is puka there because then you know we got puka on another team too but yeah well well I think I think for us it almost like I think we get McBride or Le pora and then it's probably a running back I mean it's a wide receiver not necessarily G I mean I guess the only running back I consider there would be Gibbs probably not JT but and I probably take Gibbs ahead of O AJ Brown cup bua cake London I'm being honest with you you I think take Brown ahead of no I take Gibbs earlier than those yeah right like I think Gibbs earlier than those guys so I just want to pull up as well the recent ADP for this contest so like since um Friday we'll say right I I think just looking at the way this is 87 drafts by the way you can see uh that I mean you know leaport is going in the second so he I think has a good chance to fall to us at 11 which would obviously be pretty nice yeah see that was well then I don't know if I want to be that all in on like Detroit like Gibbs and laporta at that point were just all becoming Detroit fans they're worse things to be no no no they're not there's like three Detroit Lions guys going in like within like seven picks of each other and someone well like and you and like from like where we're sitting right now this all is fine the issue is you're drafting all of these guys so highly that any injury to GF really will destroy this team you know what I mean like like just from like a risk management perspective if that makes sense like there is I mean Jared G is good this entire team is good and I want pieces of it I don't necessarily know if I want to go all in on them like that you know what I mean like like it's it's more or less like I know we can't pick the winners right but it's also uh you don't want to be left bag holding a team that's like DOA and like I know that's like a dumb that's like a dumb take or whatever and like people can ban it in the event that Detroit turns out just smashing it but you're drafting all of these guys in like the first late like early second and like realistically you need them all to produce right like like ARB is going in the first theor is going in the first first Gibbs is going in the first we know these are all like smash plays but like the fact that we have to you know like like there is I mean just from my that's just maybe more so from like a risk perspective or a risk management perspective but I don't know how you guys feel about that I've been having a harder time clicking on Gibbs this off season I mean I like him as a player uh like the potential but it's like I said that there's just a lot of other people like I would take puko probably over Gibbs uh straight up it pretty much have to be the Elite guy like McBride and leor would have to be gone and then probably puko would probably have to be gone for me to like okay now like Gibbs is is in there and I don't think we really it's really going to come to that in this draft but you know I mean say we we found out in that first draft that that people people were willing to get silly in these so we don't really know what's going on but hopefully that that people just kind of getting a little wild with their with their picks benefits us as opposed to like pulls pulls the wool over eyes or anything like that so I think I'm pretty confident we'll be able to get two guys that we really like like I mean we can come to yeah you know an agreement on the first two rounds actually like you know I I know the draft it just picked off like the horn going off in my ears but like let's just other like some of the other like like fix right like you know we can talk about like I think we wanted to talk about a handful of running backs you want to talk a little bit about PCO lar you were that absolutely been a bafflement for you and I wonder how many stream could you guys if there's anyone in our draft who's sitting here to stream snipe us can you please identify yourselves now oh my God Paul said he got Nico at 409 in his last fantasy pros contest guys this is we're not we're we're we're we're not taking down the Millie I can tell you that right now but uh pretty nice but we're gonna we're gonna try um uh yeah where does PCO go in these drafts after after the still three three and this is just in the last two days this do you w do you want to share peo looks like he's going yeah to 303 do you want to actually share our live draft board also if there if there are guys who are stream sniping or trying to stream snipe uh good luck there's zero coherence in this team in the way we think but um but but please identify yourselves in our chat so we can we can have some good bands all right thanks um but yeah so like yeah let's let's let's talk pcho right like um like I am curious about like why you said he was such an awful take and you said he was an awful take before they signed now with Bine oh my God Bree 103 that's a nice pick yeah Bree is aggressive well look Kevin just wrote up the chief's backfield for a newsroom article that published uh few minutes before we went live here so I think he's got the the down low on Pacho but if if he doesn't agree that peo is the worst pick in any draft then then I'm happy to tell him why no I actually made that take I just did that the uh nfl.com right up ADP and I said yeah he's probably the worst take because and that he's going like the almost the the end of the second I say but I mean it's just more of just really just a volume play uh is he just has that dead zone Dead Zone sort of profile his uh he did get a lot he actually ran like the most routes out of any of the Chiefs running backs last year but uh among running backs that had 50 targets he was like second to last in uh in yards per route I think or he was second to last and like and dead last and yards per route and yards per Target so it's just like they needed to add somebody and unless he's coring all that workl I just don't really have a lot of faith in him just as as a you know as being worth something like that early uh just basically just seems like a stereotypical Dead Zone guy to me so I I don't know if I've drafted him like at all this draft season honestly I just kind of hard fade I think it's the same for me so like the thing with peo what actually does make it interesting at least from a targets perspective and I just want to like harp on this again like with you last year the Chiefs really didn't have anybody in terms of like actual Target competition right you had like an aging Travis gy a Rashid R who didn't really emerge on until later uh something called mvs right like Justin Watson and a handful of other guys right they went out they picked up Xavier worthy they didn't even really use Jerick McKinnon a lot last year they were still giving C you know run and then they instantly went out and like picked up perine who you know and this is like in all honestly like like lowkey one of the funniest things of like about the NFL the fact that we know like nothing about the NFL right is like how P Ryan turned into like being a third down receiving only back whereas like what was like like everyone was like that's going to be like the Joe Mixon role like that was kind of what he does and like Joe Mixon turned out to be like a poor like a shittier samaj Pine in like in the NFL right where like spine is like this third down guy and even now like uh I think Andy Reid came out and said that like B's Gonna Be Active on Thursday night right and he just joined he's walking in off the you know hasn't spent like much time on the on the you know in the practice room with these guys but he is going to be active which I think is um an interesting take so yeah to your point Kevin yeah he's it feels like he's gonna get a lot of that like uh the low value touches type of thing right like and and like and I think what like actually kind of what like detracts a little bit from the high value touch idea or like the play of like that moving marching the ball up and down the field is that like there's so much speed on this like chiefs' um receiver room right like I mean like like like Xavier Worthy is your classic lid lifter Rashi rice can you know March the ball as well down the field they' still got a bunch of guys out there so it's going to be really you know I wonder how often we're going to be seeing um uh Pacho getting work in the green zone is what I'm trying to say I'm still stuck on your mvs take I think I had a case of mvs once doctor gave you some penicillin and it went right away so yeah uh yeah it's well I mean so like like like mvs is like fine like we know he's fine but like people would like chase him so high in like in like you know the whole offseason I just like I think the one really sad thing about this this off season was that the Chiefs got rid of Michael Thomas so early because like every year like clockwork man there's a whole bunch of high volume drafters who all keep posting about like how Michael Thomas is such a steal like doesn't matter where his ADP is he's like such a steal in the fourth round he such a steal in the seventh round ninth round and these guys like oh there goes Jamar Chase and like so and so like these guys got like saved by themsel from themselves like it's kind of sad actually in a sense because like uh you know yeah I think that I mean the Chiefs are just a completely different team this year I mean I say I'm very happy that we don't have to chase guys like mvs and and you know there's no more skymore I mean I'm pretty sure skymore made the team didn't he or did they I don't think I thought it J Watson skymore make the team I'm GNA I mean I I think so I didn't hear or something but like good thing we don't we just don't have to chase those guys anymore he I mean he made the team yeah but we don't have to chase him yeah you know we got worthy and rice and I mean to a lesser extent Kelsey like start filling out the the queue here you're not gonna like I have AJ Brown in the que so you're not going to like him in the que I added a few names I think your is upd oh I see it oh this is easy it's not easy because okay as long as it's not the person that you put at the top of the queue we're taking Leora here right yeah we're taking Lea here I'm uh I'm ready to start sipping on that per first round let's do it all right Ro of his Rascals starting off right Sam leaport come on down now this Kevin already has done a leaport Trey McBride draft he was telling us so I don't know if he wants to double up on that pairing or what do you thinking what's the what's the what's the thinking behind getting both of those guys first of all and how exposed do you want to be to that combo I think it was just more of just taking the value there I think in that draft there just wasn't really anybody that was actually a draft I did with uh while Ben and and and Shawn were streaming and I didn't know they were in that room but like yeah it was just the value that that was there I just didn't see anybody I like better so I mean I'm not opposed to doing it again the only other thing that you know I actually I'm actually hoping AJ Brown does make it back because I kind of want him like we got to pump up that drama I know right yeah I I I don't I'm not a big believer in like bumping up the drama you know like I'm a I'm I'm a really bad streamer in that in that regard you know like um although it would be funny seeing the 110 go for saquan and ajb that that would that would though be a pretty filthy start if I'm being honest but um does it seem like a good start what sequan plus ajb I mean would you rather be would you rather be leaport and Gibbs or saquan and ajb [ __ ] man I think I Pro I only for the positional value would probably be le port and Gibbs yeah but but um I just love ajb man like it's so [ __ ] tough I think Joe Kings got the right got the right idea in the second as well as the first [Music] uh why is this guy about wow I mean I actually I actually that's interesting I actually kind of like I don't I don't hate it I kind of like AJ Brown here yeah exactly AJ Brown is a grown ass man I don't have a clip to play um well my vote would be McBride Hass wants AJ Brown Kevin gets to break the tie oh well I was actually Kevin she's a completely different guyuk I was gonna say puka because I already have le leor team so we do already have a puka team as well yeah so I I I I don't know man like like k k threw me because I thought he'd be McBride yeah I think AJ Brown is a pick dude what do you think Kevin you okay with AJ Brown yeah let's do it say I don't have much of him so let's get he's a grown ass man dude look you're gonna you're you're gonna see him like go off like the first thing on like on week one and you're going to be like damn also think of this like we have we have Devon Smith on that other team and AJ Brown is a natural hedge like what if Devonte Smith is still like you know Devonte Smith right like he he could just be the overvalued Eagles receiver in this entire like court right like a wide receiver 18 or whatever yeah and I think it's one of those things where it's take clock just and then it just gets multiplied over and over where it's I haven't really been taking AJ Brown as much so I just kind of forget like how good he is and then you watch him the first week and you're like oh yeah this guy's a grown ass man like he's beating up you know EBS and you know I just think that like in my mind maybe like AJ Brown hate has gone too far where I just like he's not he's not like a round three receiver or anything like that you know he's still one of the elite receivers in the NFL it's just kind of like my preferences have kind of pushed him out of my mind as far as like a justifiable pick in most drafts G wheeler AJ Brown equals wide receiver one overall I mean yeah D probably um joking a targets a game AJ B plus set up the her slid stack in the fifth that's all hope let's hope these are all good points yeah uh I think it is funny that you guys spent um a lot of time becoming AJ Brown haters on this on this on this stream um look like the the big thing about AJ Brown that you have to be scared of is he might actually hear this and he will find you and he will kill you so um so I would be very careful yeah I'm not an AJ Brown hater I wouldn't say am pretty bullish about Devonte Smith uh I am I am too but like I also I also like am a little cogent of the fact that he is wide receiver 18 right like like it is uh AJ Brown retweeted the Danny Carter tweet he's the goat that's right second yeah the one about the wide yeah that's like the classic one like the one everyone should know if you if you like like I mean that's like that's like even if you're like tangentially connected to Fantasy Football in any way you should see that you probably know it at some point AJ Brown was awesome for the first nine weeks and terrible for the last you know from then on now of course so was everybody else in philadelph yeah the Eagles the Eagles completely were like a dumpster fight I don't know what happened there if there any Eagles fans in the chat who can actually like talk to us Beyond like the coaching and the locker room like what happened like that team went from like Super Bowl locks to like this implosion that I've never seen before I mean the concerning thing is that in that stretch Devonte Smith did have two wide receiver one weeks and two wide receiver two weeks like he outplayed AJ Brown in that stretch so I don't know totally what to make of that I mean maybe if you explain it as Phil Philadelphia not emphasizing AJ Brown as much and it kind of showed up in their their win loss record their win loss they were they were dude they were though well so the one thing that I'm really kind of I'm happy about well or at least I'm a little nervous about is look at how like yellow this draft board is right now right like like you've got think we'll get McBride back in the third well let's hope well the Travis skel pick is interesting all right like what's the RB Str of 11 that's see like Joe that's a that's a very good question because I think it's Gibbs or bust right yeah at the 111 Gib or punt if if everyone is still going heavy heavy wide receiver yeah so yeah rest like yeah I the the teams figured them out right like the teams figured out the Eagles and were able to Blitz and cover them outside because her show a ball over the the middle of the lowest rate of basically any QB in the NFL that's that's kind of what I like what I remember reading a lot as well like last year and um I'm just sort of confused as to how the Eagles OC's and like the like the coaching staff and the analytic staff and everybody else that we know get that entire like team to go weren't able to truly adjust which is um a little nerve-wracking right like like it's still a very very talented team right um uh Blair is actually adding he just added Derk Henry and Isaiah Pacho and also uh Josh Jacobs dra a que um gonna have to see if we can kick him from this team I don't understand even go kind of going back even to the to the Eagles stuff the one thing that kind of worries me is you know the Eagles were were a very hyped up team for the last couple seasons and then Kell Moore you know when he was with Dallas and then he left you know on bad terms with Mike mcth he goes to Los Angeles kind of gets hyped up as oh he's going to like he's going to uh take Justin Herbert to the next level and he kind of Fizzles out so we kind of have two two like downward spiraling entities meeting each other in the middle and coming together and I just don't know I mean I'm I'm nervous about the Eagles this year honestly I don't know what it's going to look like I hope it looks I mean it's probably G be higher Pass rates and things and and like things like that but I mean I am I am a little nervous so I hope I'm wrong for our sake Joe although although you did pose a good question about what is our RB Strat so I didn't want to bring this up to you guys right so where are we at with like James Cook if he somehow Falls to us in the fifth if this remains like an aggressively wide receiver heavy draft which I mean given the fact that Devonte Adams just went at like the 211 like that's a pretty good symbol of this being an RB like a wide receiver heavy draft so James Cook is going in the middle of the fourth right now so if he falls to us at 41 maybe that's a little bit tempting I think he's probably not my favorite pick in the fourth no but I mean like we're we're really in in in I mean when you're looking at what we're what we're dealing with right because like I'm just trying to think or at least work a little bit backwards on the on the future right like like when you're looking at guys like Kenneth Walker or James Cook down at like the or well 5'11 is what we're hoping for right I don't know if they make it there right I don't know if they make it there oh you're right I was looking at the wrong I was I was thinking the fourth went the wrong went the other way you're good third round veral brain or something yeah but that's like it's tough right like because like um realistically what we're probably like with how heavy well this is a lot more wide receiver heavy than our previous draft right right so for that reason I mean yeah me we might get some value on these guys but at the same time I don't want to get stuck out you know I don't want to be wide receiver no no of course not right like it's kind of what B just wrote in the chat which is like if you don't get an RB in the first two rounds it's always zero RB in this format which is fair but like when you're talking about J the James end the draft yeah exactly because you have to make that that that differential up somehow but like my bigger concern right is there's a very big fall off at Wide Receiver right like we know we know there's like 36 37 38 is wide receivers that are worth drafting right like along in those first five rounds but look at how aggressive this room is in terms of white outs and so like that's where like you want to start at least having some level of logic branches as to like if I don't get hang on I'm trying to like give you a good example of this right like Derry mclen versus um uh I guess Terry mclen this is probably I mean d yeah Derry mclen versus Kenneth Walker would be a real question here right like if you come up if this remains as wide receiver heavy as we think like if Walker Falls to 5'11 mclen is still there m is still there 511 I think Walker is a great Pi but you you also might have somebody like Z flowers tank Dell right yeah tank Dell right might be there so it does become a little tricky so I was actually so in that in that equation I think those guys are going to go sort of around where we're picking in the fourth like early fourth right like because if this remains because look see like that like to your point like Isaiah Pacho goes over there that's not I mean I don't think I really want Isaiah PCO like in my rb7 at all right like to me that's to me that's a right well yeah I mean we already have talked about why we're pretty pessimistic on pan should definitely be goinge as should etn it should be etn should be Kiren it should be you know like all these guys like like I don't like so like I mean the Pacho pick there is a little baffling right like I think I think I'd rather have like in all honesty Josh Jacobs over PCO it's the same it's the same but it's it's the same play it's the same play right except Jacobs has less um competition now AJ Dylan's out as long as Lloyd is hurt Yeah well yeah and Lloyd is hurt right yeah yeah yeah soggy danger no hn yet is wild yes sir yes sir it is wild I'm really hoping team this team picking out of juice crew I hope they take him because they started Bean Kelce but I'm expecting them to keep this wide receiver party roll so realistically and I and I don't think we can pivot out of wide receiver here I don'ts Falls i' take if hen fall then that's yeah right and that's like but that's our logic Branch right there right if we get him then that's that's who it is but otherwise we're looking at right now we're looking at oh I was gonna ask and chat please please chime in at some point like on this as well because we need some guidance jayen wle is still hurt he was seen in a non in a non-practice jersey he might fall to us so that is an offense right like this is like the exact opposite of Detroit where I'm like Miami is going cheaper than some of these other guys and this and like they W just went but like the buy there is so big that you actually want all these guys at Cost I think right got W in the fourth a few days ago Joe that's a that's ah Paul's got like Nico in the fourth Joe's got W in the fourth we've got oh there goes etn meanwhile we've got George Pickins in the fourth picks I don't think we took him in the fourth but um you get my you get what I'm saying yeah there goes aan too bad okay now this here's a gross idea that might happen though Derrick Henry is still there yeah that's it's tough one man like Derrik Henry like I don't think I don't think I want Henry right now I think I'd rather there's a couple of like interesting w receivers in our Q right now right MH like like like telling me where so I guess I guess rank some of these guys in RQ for me right like like I'm actually thinking man all right I moved them a little Oh Henry came to ship chasing at like 404 once this summer yeah so like yeah see see this is sort of where Blair is is I mean we know he's a Ravens fan could happen again yeah that's yeah this is like the issue is like Derrick Henry is such an interesting name to pull here Blair well I mean the other thing is that too bad thing of course is that like Mitchell is one of the most interesting backup running backs in the league but he's gonna be her no no he's I I think I think Keaton I think Keaton Mitchell's like dust this year and it sucks got a lot of him like he might not play he might not play at all the regular season or something I don't know maybe not play until November and even then you don't know how much athleticism has been sapped and everything else which is rashing Ali season right all right so there goes Debo where do we do so I guess really the question here is um when you're looking at at what are at what are so I'm thinking our picks here well at least for me the Pick here is probably auk or um uh DJ Moore I think I think it's I think it's auk dude okay I would make a case for Rashi rice here I think Rashi rice comes right back to us dude well he's actually going earlier than auk in the ADP and he's going the only person on RQ who he's going later then is Devonte Smith but this is an AJ Brown team already so yeah so I mean I mean realistically so just to give just to give full visibility R is the least likely to come back okay so then let's take rice and then one of iuk DJ Moore or DK meaf is our pick next right maybe you good with rice yeah yeah because I have another person I want to argue for it at uh I mean why not yeah why not Jo yeah put the top of the queue so so I think the big because like the last thing I wanted from this team was it just turn into like a hedge team of our prior team right like I don't want to we took Depot on that team now we're taking auk we took Devon Smith or taking AJ Brown I don't want that right like not only is it like bad form it just also is just like you're cucking yourself right like in the long we reached a little for rice but he was going earlier than iuk he was going earlier than DJ Moore not he was going after CF but I'm not that much into medf this year I mean I mean I mean I mean the big thing and I don't know why my camera is broken now which is just great but but like I think I think the big thing here um is that uh smth I don't understand all right guys I'm really sorry I don't understand why my camera is off did I think and my computer is staging a uh a Revol guyet is active yeah I know no I I have no no way I am not all that interested in cits here dude sorry why I'm just just you can't see my expression I can't but tell me why you turn off your camera just to say this his name rhymes with [ __ ] he's not that good man like it's well I mean he's good he's it's fine just don't really have any interest in him at like the expense of wide receivers because we're not going to get that many well call all right that was this is this is auk come on man this has to be auk I'm good with auk unless Kevin will back me up with Kyle pits I think I mean I don't know how Assan feels about Bowers but I would rather just kind of push it and grab the wide receiver now I think yeah and then we can get Bowers or like in joku later and I will be right I will leave the studio and I will be back okay and to see what the hell's happening here we'll see I'm I'm actually gonna call Elvin I'm calling Evan Sila for help and I'm also gonna call every Boomer that I can think of I'm gonna call Eric balkman as well this has to be like his his [ __ ] every I'm gonna I'm actually gonna ask in the draft room if anyone over here Works in it hey miy Scott tonight hang on I'm actually asking the chat here oh my gosh let's not you can you can share this I don't I don't know we gota we gotta work on our uh you you can share the chat I'll be right back I'm not gonna share the chat the chat gets the chat could get too crazy I can't I can't vouch for the content that's in the chat all right Hassan is asking the if any of them work in it we'll see if any of them come back in the meantime I mean in a room that looked like it was going to be really wide receiver heavy we've seen quite a few running backs come off the board in the third but then we're back to a lot of wide receiver picks I mean how far are you comfortable pushing these running backs down the board before you take your first running back in a zero RB build like this uh looking at I at the uh running through adps uh I mean like Stevenson goes should I let him back in he's back we got Stephenson at a value last last time but he generally goes at the end of round six uh so like like seven round eight is like I say the the running backs dry up quicker on ffpc than I'm used to like just being like a super high volume under dog guy so like so I always just make sure to be like intentional about focusing on where the running backs are and you know it's so much it's so easy to make those wide receiver clicks that I kind of gotta like take take a step back and be like you need to get running backs you need to get running backs because earlier in the season uh like when I first started doing ffpc drafts this year I was like just hammering wide receiver over and over again and then I got to the end and I'm like these running backs are terrible um I will say Blair though good good call on bits there like that's like good good Instinct um if you want to default I mean if you want to if you want to go join team nine I mean like actually I I wonder if man like team nine is team nine looks like a team we would draft yeah that's like Jamar I mean that's like our start from the 109 last like last like last Sunday Jamar Jason puka AA yeah uh we got neighbors falling and we had neighbors falling yeah and then we took Bowers like bits is also a good pick here um but he wasn't a good pick at the uh 402 it works for that team because they didn't have the onz position we had Le Porto it's tight end premium you know I know but we do have two like we have two final outs I to K's Point Bowers and in joku right like Bowers particularly like I don't mind having a going double Bowers right like why not all three um because you can't play can you yeah you I guess one tight end and then two Flex yeah two Flex yeah I'm not necessarily saying that's a good idea but I would not and Bowers is Bowers is interesting just from the perspective of like you think they need to use him more so as a receiver than everything else that comes with it right well yeah I don't think they're I don't think they'll use him much as a blocker I think you might see him lineup in the back field quite a bit yeah I think I would have thought one team one6 not I mean yeah that's kind of interesting that he's like this weapon that you can move all over the field but for Fantasy I think you'd rather have him catching passes yeah no one man you know what's really disappointing about like this crew tonight like on on our on this draft it's been a very quiet draft room no one no one's like talking about like any of the fun side activi are doing while drafting no one's like no one's like yeah that's right Joe these next picks determine everything for this build very correct um those are like double digit round conversations I think we'll we'll get to that soon what is oh yeah no if the Five Spot had MCB or Kelce that is very I very very much with you like that would be could you imagine right and like Joe and Joe is right too like the next two picks determine everything for this build so just like I guess a question for the chat what would you guys do if you were us right like where would you be taking this yeah we could maybe have the chat vote on our next pick V wisdom of the crowds dude fantasy douche was always big on that now does it work if the crowds are all like viewers of R of his live stream and all part of the same hive mind I'm not sure well that's actually even stronger good point that's true as long as they pick the wide receiver he is right yeah cuz Herz man Herz feels like actually the the thing with Herz is I think Herz might actually make consider Kenneth Walker otherwise take wide receivers wish we could have he just went yeah um wide receiver there is great no question so the way that I'm thinking of this is like since since team 112 already took a quarterback and if Herz makes it we'll just take Herz at 602 right good point yeah tell should be there I do like d yeah I think I think I think 602 we could probably pencil in hers here right well I mean 602 we've already implicitly penciled in for Bowers so I'm open to taking well I don't know I mean I think I think stacking in this format is not as powerful as in best ball and I'd be more I'd probably prefer to push QB a little bit you know you know the one thing I will say and I mean there is there is one wide receiver who I'm very surprised people letting fall or slide here I'm kind of hoping he makes his way back to us um he's just my Nemesis of who he is but man you know ly Higgins would really tie the room together if did we get him on the last did we get him in the fourth round of the last one I think we did I think so oh there goes so so Herz is gone phew happy not to have to have that conversation I mean I just I don't know like like I'm just I think across the board pretty down on the Eagles besides like Shipley and Devon Smith I really have not been drafting any very many Eagles at all this year I'm just part of that is just I think at least for me a little bit of recency bias with how their season ended right yeah probably so I think maybe they're undervalued this year I think well I mean you should have to pay a premium right like right it doesn't seem like yeah so there so there goes uh I mean so I guess I guess the original conversation that we had about Walker V Lauren was pretty much decided since they went right like right there I am yeah man Joe I do like the Z lar that would be so sick that would be so so sick but with all these quarterbacks flying right now I really don't think we're g to get we're gonna get him yeah I uh I I like Joe's part two of that that comment there a little more a little yeah I mean I mean I I'm I'm very much with the second part of that comment as well right like worthy andell as an Eagles fan and biased with man the offense was so basic last year beat Riders opposing practice clip Up play action like wow we didn't see any of this last year yeah so like that's like that's like kind of the thing man is like is like it's so weird like a taale of two halves for the eagles which again I don't we don't necessarily need to like keep rehashing but what is interesting at least to me was just how like day and night their season started and ended um and if any of you guys are watching USC LSU this has been a pretty fun game uh I'm just so happy to have football back man even if it is college and I'm really excited for for us being back oh yeah I mean so there are a few very interesting names who are sliding here and I don't want to like say them out loud oh cool did my camera do that thing again no I didn't you're good um yeah I might have to figure out what might be time to retire the old laptop Maybe work my way to the desktop by by a digital camera like part of the charm of this stream this is what I'm really yeah really worried about is like basically like I mean Herz didn't lose his talent you know like as an eagle there goes there goes ly having a little more insight into kind of things you know being a local guy I'm pretty worried that like my take is wrong and like Blair said the bias is kicking in a little too strong um it's like even knowing about these things like you can still fall victim to them so so I I very well might be wrong about about the Eagles this year uh so T higen goes I mean that is just wild to me that they I mean team one of four pretty it's a nice team too Tyreek McBride kyen bitman and then you got Higgins man hey dve Philippi how's it going um man JW scw is such a [ __ ] nice team imagine if you had McBride God damn tank Dale would have been nice it's a little bit early for him oh Dell earlier than than I don't I don't want to say it but he might not make it to us we all know who is going earlier then and why is that happening I guess my question um Jake Ferguson yeah o that is the ultimate floor not awesome pick of every draft low te he killed a guy in the field was higher te than that that is I mean I mean keev look that's actually very true that is that that is true yeah uh the only reason I call him low te is because he has um he has I've really I've drafted him as like my wide receiver too so like you know either in the second or the third and he's really murdered my teams man and typically whenever I call him low te that's when he goes for 30 points so by me calling him lowy here I'm hoping I was hoping he'd fall to us and now I'm just hoping I'm cursing him to not you know for him to go off he's on the other team by the way no we didn't it was Damonte Smith in the fourth I know yeah man they tagins would have really tied this receiver room together somehow but um man we we have four we have four Pi F we have four picks to fade and there is like I don't know actually you know what ah there goes digs yeah dank so like dank D earlier than Diggs is not is not a take that I I am big on right kind of Q kind of got wiped out on that one yeah I ke RQ went from like yeah that's right Jo lots of options here I'm not so sure but I let us know who actually actually actually Kevin like what is your Amari Cooper take um I think uh carefully Kevin I I am not been drafting very much of them this year uh I mean I just don't have a lot of faith in the Browns offense in general I just don't I just don't see it as somebody who who watches their games every week it's just I don't know man very I mean his his whole his whole career has been Boomer bus and especially in a managed League it's not always the best uh the big thing about digs the big thing about digs over Dell is that like I really don't want a guy who's like maybe a foot taller than my four-year-old like and he made to block on the goal line I really don't want him on my roster Ah that's who I had okay so I think I think I think the pick here is worth it right like it has to be worth well I'm good with that yeah let's do it no need to drag it out if we we're all on the same page and I do think that the the Chiefs really could do the whole or Mahomes could get to that it could be a 5,000 the season I keep saying it uh I just I mean like I say that that whole offense just seems like it's just completely transformed and you know I think it's we're we're in for a big thing same with that in the Texans like I think stad and and Mahomes could both be 550 guys this year in the same season I don't that should have been my bull take for the article that just came out but but uh a little too late on that week one brain um I don't know man there's a guy gting we one brain digs over Dallas the biggest issue no I think I again like I actually like don't get me wrong I like Dell I also don't like I really don't like I I also how much bigger do you think Worthy is than dank um a little bit not that much that much yeah just a little bit tall I think it also ra a little bit more right so there go Joe I think he weighs a little bit less heigh a little bit less maybe not I don't know do you think do you think uh question is how much faster is he than tank well I guess the actual question is how far do you think Patrick Mahomes can put the ball into Worthy's hands and then try and like hammer throw him to the to the end zone you think that's possible am I the only Connor fan here thicker ankles well so like I am actually a James Connor fan but I think I think Kevin will drive down from Cleveland to kill me tonight if I if I if I bring him up because I am kind of interested in I I mean there's like two running backs I really like over here and it's like James Conor and Aaron Jones I think are the two that I'm interested in here and um I think I think this could be James Conor like we might want to consider him here I'd consider either of those running backs here I think that in either case there's a pick I like better but I do not have anything against Connor I think he's he's a good a good pick for this season there goes Cooper yeah I'm the same with he just always misses a few games and I think Benson could come in and we we've had some discussions about Benson and think he could come in and actually like take that take at least force a time share so well the thing is is that Benson's going so cheap that like an argument can be made to Hancock and I also think that we could potentially back this up by taking guer Mar or thinking through guer Mar all right the other thing I mean like Bowers here is the end of a tier at tight end yeah well Bowers in joku are the yeah but I even think I mean nooku is not coming back so I think it's Bowers or Connor I would go Bowers yeah I would go boners or Bowers as well oh then I'm out voted I go Conor but we can go Bowers sorry we'll we'll try and get Connor on the way back oh prayer's up not looking too likely but I mean yeah King Joe King has a has what maybe is the right take here even though I might disagree with it he might be right well he I think I think he is right here right like I think it does well because here's here's how this is going to wind up is like we might end up with ra Andre again um which is you know sad to say although so uh I would have I would have probably taken either Jones or coner well I mean I guess optimistically Dre zero RB that's well I mean optimistically I think we can all agree that there's one running back who would be very interesting if he makes it back to us that would be javante Williams um uh H yeah because like I think like I didn't I didn't want another George Pickins Steam optimistically Deonte makes it back he's probably not going to right um a lot of these guys are not making it back so I'm just going to put them in the queue so we can see when they all go um so I got a question for you guys like how big of a difference do you really feel like there is between Connor and rre I mean I know oh Conor hands down dude Conor hands down yeah like it's the same bat but like Conor's in the better offense right yeah that's and that's what my the biggest thing was and I mean I don't know like I don't think that that it's warranted I guess I don't think it's warranted for like the big that big of a gap between the two I've at first I was pretty shy in ra Andre this season but then like over time I'm like I don't think I I think I'm fading this guy for the wrong reasons like he doesn't really have competition he's a volume play but I mean sometimes that's not the worst thing in on in the world at certain spots in the draft well I mean it depends on how you build your team right especially especially like especially in like formats like this where you have to actually makes hit start decisions I think realistically what you're looking for and kind of what you want out of all of this is not having to to think through those right like you really want like like uh you really don't want to be tap dancing on like the head of like you know or like T dancing on C is you keep looking for trying to find viable guys right like squint maybe like Jerome Ford makes sense or some of these other guys right but like chuba hubard or whatever [ __ ] dog [ __ ] you know guys you're picking up right like like like like like we all saw what happened when a bunch of donkeys took mil Sanders in like the third round last year right and now my sanders is largely going undrafted but like juuba harber is going in like the 11th or 10th or nth or whatever right and like the bets still the same they just it just flipped now right like like tro was the guy going like undrafted last year and it was M Sanders and now the bet is like flipped like who's to say that doesn't flip again this here got Stevenson at 85 this week yeah we we got him fairly late last week because I rb1 um I actually still think I mean play to your point though I still like powers on this team yeah we got Stevenson at 8 84 in the last in the one we did last week and if we have to are teams 107 or 109 in the chat right now well 109 with Alvin CRA is a tough is a tough one but and7 17 and 109 feels like team that we would make yeah I do like team 107 that's a that's a nice a nice team there and and just if you're on audio that team is Garett Wilson Drake London Devon Anan Evan Ingram Z flowers James Conor team five is strong too team five is strong too that is bejon Travis Kelce Jaylen Wadd DJ Moore tank Dell if that team had Trey McBride though Manel yeah oh man I mean actually I kind of like team one too even with the early Herz pick if they can if they can get some uh get some more wide receiver depth yeah but it's getting any team with mcaffrey looks good is getting so dry and there goes Deonte the team yeah team team 105 knows what the hell they're doing dude um that is H it's it sucks so much when you're dealing with guys who can do stuff like this do you anticipate B being your week one lineup on our in our other team absolutely on this team probably not not not in this team unless yeah I mean there's no reason to think auk wouldn't play right no he's he got his he got he got his contract dude I guess the only thing would be because rice and worthy both play on Thursday night if one of them like absolutely Duds we might want put in the flex instead yeah yeah right exactly depend on where they take a peak yeah it stinks so much because some of these teams are really nice dude if one of five had Dien McBride I would have been like both Brown actually plays on Friday night too Christian Kirk goes I yeah so like 104 is also a good team right diary H TR McBride Ken Williams Michael Pitman de Higgins is such a get out of jail free card there and and Christian Kirk yeah man like like I really think that early running back move really does open so much stuff up it does take some pressure off of off of having to get these guys to hit later like we are we are scrambling on our other team a little bit to fill that running back two spot and it takes a little bit of pressure off of you to have to to do that as much but yeah and to be fully candid we should like talk about some of the actual conversations we've been having about that other team and one of them being me saying that we should you know consider a my sanders take a peak right like with we know for a fact Jonathan Brooks is gonna miss he's on the NFI list so he misses the first four games the Panthers is by is week five so the earliest you're going to see him is week six and that's halfway through the ffbc season is over right and even then you don't know when he's going to be fully ramped up right yeah in order to make it through the actual dance right it becomes a different question I do not like d David Montgomery for that CD lamb Devonte Adams isaah Pacho James Cook Patrick Mahomes team um yeah that's a lot of dead zone well exposure I mean yeah yeah but like they call the dead zone because these guys are going to kill you um uh so I I do want 6 612 is 612 is nice um well I was going to ask you get back to us yeah so I was going to say because Kenan might actually make it back to us how much are you buying the fact that he is now an absolute unit of a man I'm not I'm not what's I'm not I I I really feel like that's the one where like come week you know come week D you're just like ah yeah it would be like I think I would be a lot more concerned about Keenan if he had been actually bad last year but it was like one of his best seasons in terms terms of yeah exactly fantasy points over expectation and also if he somehow makes it back that's very much shark jumping of Rome adun well there goes SK so it doesn't matter yeah um well I mean he had two 40o games last year in P scoring yeah like even at he was he was still 31 last year right so yeah and he made it through with no no issues how much are we buying I mean this is very much there are three quarterbacks I'm very much interested in here um and there's a handful of running backs I am very interested in if they make it to us right did uh did oh yeah Jaden Reed went bummer I I I I do not want Jaden Reed in this team man well we did take him last time well I also but he's one of the best picks in the sixth round yeah he is um I'd be very very happy to cons start considering at least one quarterback in particular but if we if they he makes it to us at at the 11 here down in the back half of a lot of Seasons Michael Ford yeah I'm I'm I'm really with you Michael like he like he has uh part of that is just how old vets go right but like in a in a tournament like this where you do need to start like hot like that's kind of what we're looking at I mean realistic so Anthony Richardson goes that's one of the guys I was looking at um I know Blair really likes Jordan love uh for me just from like high comedy perspective and really because of how insufferable Packers fans can be when they're good again uh it would be very funny if we've already seen Jordan love speak of his career and this is going to be an absolute dog [ __ ] year because like it's like they behave like Patriots fans with like no success right so so like watching them have an absolute meltdown about this massive you know Jordan I think I just think for like my own just my own happiness and just in general like just how funny and ironic you know life can be uh type of situation there there goes Skyler that's another guy who I was hoping to get Kevin what do you think about this question in redraft specifically are you fanous message are you looking to stack your quarterback with one of your receivers I generally think it's more of a I mean it's like a tiebreaker like anything else like if I have two guys that I that I can't choose between I would pick the guy that I stack but just for the fact kind of the same sort of like oh if you make it to the championship you have both guys at your lineup and they explode yeah or really any week I mean I guess it it may even be uh more like a more week- winning play even in redraft you know because you're obviously you're you're on you're in a one V one every week for in most leagues so but it's not something that I'm like oh I need to make these Stacks but at the same time I'm not definitely not opposed to it all right guys uh well we won't have to take Stephenson so that's good I mean realistically for me there's only one right answer at at running back right now I think it's probably the guy we're all well I think hopefully I'm thinking about the same guy you are yeah yeah yeah at the count of three let's say it at the same time should we say it before we're on the clock two three Naj G Harris no you guys didn't say it man I was gonna say Brian Robinson oh well I actually like Brian Robinson so yeah I like I've said it on like almost every podt I'm like like I understand why a lot of people don't like him but I'm I'm not not against there are two very good running back picks three very good running back picks here we could go like running back running back here there are two very good ones well well I don't think we need to like like here's the thing about like about like jayen Daniels is a lot of teams have already taken qb1 and I think we can wait on QB I'd rather pun QB for a couple more rounds there's a handful of guys who I think are going to be there uh I really think this like we might be able to go running back running back here there's a bunch of really interesting names in the queue please please do not take the guy who's like on the top of our que right now I really want him on this format yeah I think the only I mean stra just went he's the only guy that I would probably like would have tried to make a case for after we wrapped around the turn but beyond that I'm just hoping I think that probably looking at running back here is the best option across the board and I and I was not advocating for taking Brian Robinson here just just let you guys know well I was okay Naji goes one more we have to fade one more more pick and it's uh there's like a bunch of interesting did you just rearrange the queue to make it how you want to see it Blair I didn't re I mean not just now yeah this is javante Williams dude come on this is like an easy pick this is javante now are we at all worried that Taken javante like closes off some Jalil mcclaflin Avenues later no it doesn't because Jal is going so late dude all right like again like that's like he just goes so late that I don't like you don't mind having both of these guys on your roster you know what I mean yeah I agree with Assan I'm not I'm not opposed to having both those guys and you never know with with the Payton the Payton history that I mean we could at some point we could throw both of them in our lineups in the same week we can we we can go running back running back here right so like let's just let's just tell everyone who we've got so we've got three running backs in the queue right I think zamir white this Fitz magic guy was going to take right so Jaylen Warren Raheem moner and Chase Brown pick one Chase Brown unless Chase Brown for you yeah unless you want to take Joe burrow here that's the only probably detour that I might consider I don't think burrow makes sense on this team yeah yeah right yeah um Warren would be my guy here if I Warren would be your guy yeah Warren would be my second pick but I would I would I prefer brown but um I mean I like moard too I I would prefer moard but like it doesn't because it doesn't it doesn't close off at least to me it said doesn't close off Jaylen Wright right yeah well neither do brown or Warren yeah um it is it is kind of crazy to see people like like we saw like zamir white has such a wide range man God all so see both Chase Brown and Jaylen Warren were in Sean's latest Zero running back update yeah Warren Warren was an addition he did not make the original list but he did make the the slid after because ADP has slid after think that's why I think it was cuz uh he removed somebody else I can't remember who now well in any case here I have it pulled up on one of my other tabs he took uh actually took off two guys close to the top alir and shanet yeah oh there goes Hollywood Brown oh my God we're on the clock we're on the clock Chase Brown Warren most HT I think I mean it's probably Brown me as well yeah I can defer to the chase Brown pick because of you know the hammy for Warren and I mean just the Arthur Smith effects always just makes me super nervous like it's like he it almost seems like he would like do it out of spite just to yeah he put He he put Jaylen Brown he put Jaylen Warren at number three he's got Chase Brown instead of number two and then and then he removed Tyler algir and Zack shanet so I think I think we got Chase brown man and he added samaj peran who we should probably also consider definitely NOK Hank he did not he did not remove Jonathan Brooks gendre for who he replaced I think last too much oh I just saw I just saw here I just saw Joe's comment Brown requires too much Faith from artists should have shown it last year if he was this value yeah I was we went Chase I mean for me it was like a a tossup between Chase Brown v um uh uh moard I'm hoping moard makes it back I don't know man like this this feels like not a team that we typically make but I kind of like it yeah I think Hank was saying is Brooks an option here and we don't have to like the big red NFI means he's just going to keep on sliding and sliding and sliding he is currently going uh end of the eighth round so he doesn't make it back to us in most cases but there's more of a chance of him getting back to us than there goes there there goes moner so that's brown or mustard or or so like so like who is going to catch the air White falling KNE I'm actually surprised that like I mean I know why Alexander Madison isn't making the zero RB lists but like realistically he's kind of like your quintessential you might want to take a peak for a dollar or two type of guy and we let we let 109 get stack joar with Jamar Chase they're probably doing back flips theya they probably don't even have a stream is just like one like grown ass man doing back flips and his wife might like be coming down to yell at him I think that's okay all it does event that he might wake up the kid oh is that CA pick I I'm still more above like with like love I take love over burrow 100 times out of 100 right now so man you guys are completely [ __ ] what on love over borrow dude like like like so like so I guess like so I guess you're the kind of guy who like orders a steak well done [Laughter] can I can I get a double well done is that a thing like well done and then throw in the [Laughter] microwave one year of evidence is all they need yeah that's right Jo a good year though it was a good year and again like the again like I've said like the funniest thing about about this entire Jordan love thing about making him so highly paid and everything else yeah where were you on January 6 yeah good question exactly I mean you you know you guys all know I could not have been that on January 6 2021 they would have killed me right but these guys good question all right so this this Joshua bmer [ __ ] this is out of control all right [Laughter] so like lad mikoni goes right and then instantly Joshua Palmer goes oh I guess Justin Herbert I don't know Jonathan Brooks honestly like the the way I'm thinking of him in this format is he actually makes sense for these robust RB teams because they don't need to like they don't need to worry about actually playing him right they're building their team to really only start two wide receivers and they know they can wait on Jonathan Brooks otherwi this doesn't make any sense to me anyway but like the guy also took gandre ahead of uh you know javante I I actually think like when you're looking at this board I actually think javante was the best pick like just from P neutrality perspective was the best pick up the seventh round right like like I would much rather like outside of Aaron Jones I think Aaron Jones and Devonte are like the two guys who I would consider I think Aaron Jones is fairly priced where we've got a value on javante I think I think javante and Aaron Jones should be going back to back is how I'd put it yeah I'd much rather have javante than any of those other backs in the seventh round so I'm I'm happy he fell to us yeah I agree yeah like I right if if it turned out that Brooks was gonna play sooner or something then think he becomes a lot more interesting but we know he's going to play earliest in the the sixth week and we don't you cannot pencil him in for like 18 like I mean like can you pencil him for 18 touch of the game given that he hasn't even like practiced yet and even if you could it would be you know touches in the Panthers offense so you know you know what is genuinely crazy to me is like zamir white is still just chilling right yeah man which of you guys added Jordan love what is this I'm guilty guilty at the end for for the record I'm definitely not a Joe burrow hater I uh I'm just kind of starting to back off on him a little I was the guy banging on the banging on the table saying like I think he can like have one of those 5,50 Seasons last year and I'm kind of like kind of coming around to the fact that I was probably wrong on that so maybe I'm just going tilting the scales too far in the opposite direction but I do I mean just to watch he's like really is one of my favorite players to watch I mean I do like a lot I I do really think that the funniest outcome would be Jordan love throwing for 2,000 yards man fully healthy I I think that would be the funniest outcome this season just like so like okay so like as before before we go any further down on this right I really really want Romeo dubs man yeah I feel like even if Brown is better than Moss they're going to use Moss's 4X allary validation the good news Joe is that Moss is going again like to the point where you can actually play both of them in your lineup here because again that is there is like an offense where you you expect there to be a lot of uh points being scored also man this 101 team is so good oh my God how are we going up against these people why are we going up against these people this is a nice way to build out from the 101 yeah not my favorite pick but as like the wide receiver five I mean I mean structurally he's fine right I don't know I I don't know if I take Jerome Ford I might have actually taken Brian Robinson but I can't really like fault him for it really hurts it's okay huh yeah oh yeah actually where are you guys where are you guys on Jaden Daniels versus Jordan love oh what is this team [ __ ] doing team two just took DC Prescot after taking Patrick mahom they know this isn't like super Flex I actually want to ask him that I'm gonna ask him that don't well well this but this chat has been like the exact opposite of last week's chat man like like that ffbc chat that was like they had a bunch of characters in there they're all excited you know like they're all talking trash to each other this guy is like is like maybe he's drinking like I don't know like what is it colloid I can't pronounce it because it's like that silver thing right that guy actually is in the chat c yeah he's like drinking calor silver or something and then he's taking like Jack Prescott after taking Patrick Mahomes right oh nope well this is a nice guy because I asked if I asked if we had any it guys and he said no sir so I don't you know yeah this is a friendly chat had a guy take borrow Kyler in backtack picks this week yeah I don't know what these people are doing Joe have you seen crack rock fighting in chat I have not historical anomalies um but but if if CRA Rock's ever fighting in chat again uh tell him he has my sword because I will find a way into that draft just instantly finding a way in to get in on that action um yeah I don't understand why you take Dak Prescott in the ninth after taking Patrick Mahomes in the fifth unless unless he is dying of mercury poisoning we cannot rule this out there's no uh that was the nice guy who said he is not he doesn't work in it yeah he was helping us out I feel so bad man you know I feel bad picking on him but man that's such a bad pick like like like like why are you picking Patrick Mahomes in the fifth if you think he's not going to work out ah there go Jordan Addison this team 105 man like why are we playing against these people5 why why are we doing this to ourselves why why are they doing this to us what have we done to him God that is these are some harbard wanted to go face to face with him in an oldfashioned Danel there goes Daniels goes there goes Jaden Daniels yeah between love and Daniels I think I'm I mean I have them pretty close I don't know that I necessarily would prefer love over Daniels but um I think they're two of my favorite picks in kind of the QB window yeah RQ did get pretty wiped although I will oh my God this is gonna be terrible but what are your guys takes on courland Sutton N i' I started taking him a little bit towards the end of the draft season I know it's not I didn't always feel great about it but like I have so much Nicks stacked up with Mims and Franklin just from an exposure perspective it's like all right well let me just try this combo just just in case you know humility based drafting just like what if I am wrong what if suland is still you know like I mean I think he'll still be the number one Target but I actually think Sutton is the best bck here on the board though even based on well disagree but uh so who is it to you is it probably Caleb to me ER because I would think I would take like I think if I'm just looking at the player I want to draft the most who I think will give us the most points this season it's Tai Spears yeah oh yeah I I'm very I think we get I think Spears wraps around dude I really don't think most of the ffbc drafters are are that interested there go Zach Moss uh they must have been discussing this pick on the side because that's a good pick there was also Ed Spears is currently going at 904 I don't think he yeah think and I think the drafter at uh 12 already has a quarterback so I think if we take spear we can if we W want to wrap around and grab Caleb we can or we can push quarterback and honestly I'm kind of good good with with with DJ Spears yeah uh here so I guess really the question is right they Spears here is fine because I think to me there's like three picks Sutton Spears Caleb right okay to me the three picks are Spears Caleb Trey Benson and yeah Trey Benson there's a name there's a name's a name that we've been talking about right we agree on Spears at this pick though I mean he's like a six pick six or seven pick value here and he yeah and my B call to score 250 points this year so I gotta stand I'm very dude I'm very in Spears man let's do it good with that Kevin yep so no interest in Sutton then right because I think I think team 112 oh man our our wide receivers are [ __ ] ass dude come on we just don't them is there like a way we could trade like our White House from that other team to this team yes I like this hn there we go um hey hey hey Jaylen J Jaylen Wright is hn light exactly I was just gonna say our boy Yen right right around the corner we could get both not so like so like I guess really the question for us here is it's gonna be if this guy doesn't take a wide receiver right like it's probably so let see there's a couple guys wide receivers that I like late that I mean I'm not afraid to take either running back or uh or QB here I think there's enough guys that are available late that have some upside that I'm 100% okay taking especially in a format like this where you know so Trey Benson earlyer than b Rob right is is how it [Music] right dein single I someone explain single te to me guys no no one anyone no explain it million perc he's an rb1 on a on a terrible team volume maybe that's it that's all I could say I've been trying to pass him pretty much I mean I've taken him here and there but not never felt good about it yeah man I think to me like like the picks here either Sutton or Caleb and maybe the pick is a quarterback I think that there are quarterback options later that compel me to not take Cale yeah so but I also don't want Sutton so I think I would probably argument for Benson yeah and then we could probably probably make the right or I guess cool it a little bit at at White like running back yeah try and get some of our late our late targets I mean this is a little early for Benson but he's not going to make it back around and I know he's I know he's Hassan's guy so I think we probably should get him hey hey he's Dave's guy Dave wrote up the hot take on him my hot take was going to be about Alvin CRA just not being picked as like in the top 10 Rounds next year we want to do Benson yeah yeah we can I I I don't know who your quarterback targets are later but uh I mean I think put in private chat but honestly con light Jaylen Wright showing enough for yeah just take Benson I think for no no no I think Benson's fine I like that um I took Benson yeah I mean I would go some you throw that one name in the chat there's actually some other names that I uh yeah there are a few in that in that range yeah I mean I mean I don't know if you guys agree with that one but one I just realistically we're making contingency plans right like uh I wish all of you guys could see how like thrilling this is it's just a bunch of grown men just riding around quarterback names oh now we go silent and start typing actually I've gone silent because uh I'm watching USC play LSU there's a pretty very nice uh touchdown right here I'm buying the last six weeks of Conor hype Conor gonna take his annual IR trip um what what I what I will I guess share with chat is uh I was on uh USC first half under I'm on the team on the game total under 66 and I'm also on USC uh to cover the spread of Four Points so uh a lot of action just because I'm a I'm a horrible [ __ ] degenerate um sorry for any kids who had to hear that uh I I promis and there was a pretty nice touchdown here uh USC just scored it was just one of those typical or just one of those classic wide receiver shugs off the cornerback gets open makes it behind over the shoulder back back you know back throw catch and I'm just like inside you know I'm just like there's like a because football's back type of you know motion um yeah you're winning everything at the moment yeah well come back come back Sunday of like week one where I'm like completely destitute homeless and I'm like hey guys I had to I had to uh I'm selling the house you guys have a couch does anybody have a couch um I did that check fraud thing to like put bets down and I'm keep trouble I don't know if anyone saw this but like on Tik Tok apparently like uh like like check guiding uh went went went went kind of famous as like a infinite money glitch type thing and now people are doing it getting into major legal issues than heard of this Brian Robinson goes to the team that has Zach Yeah man so like so like there are a bunch of guys I I'm really hoping they like ID themselves with the r in this chat because I'd be upset if they didn't that that are putting together nice teams you know how's the back doing uh asking that's actually doing much better um it was a long road it was a long road to get there I do need to get back onto the onto just sort of doing the exercise of I kind of slacked there uh but you know just just sort of just the ability to being able to actually walk again is kind of a big deal um trust me you don't know you you don't know what you're missing Till It's Gone um so you know trying to try trying to never get back there again uh if that if that makes sense I do want to get everyone's stake on Khalil Shakir here though because like I feel like that's kind of early for him like I like like 112 has a good team but I don't like any of the players like except for except for Devon except for the first three picks which is Jamar Gibbs um Doon K and Devon Smith like everybody else on that team is not who I want yeah I agree that's actually a mild value for Shakir and you look at this team that's kind of building a bills a bills stack Bills team stack which is a little bit interesting but again juice there's like three teams in this chat that are just in this draft that are just putting on a clinic and Juice crew is one of them man well there's four teams really the juice crew is one of them at the 105 uh 107 109 and 101 are putting on abs like just absolute Clinic well 109 has made some kind of questionable picks but 107 has some pretty nice picks you can tell like pretty good let's see let's see how 111 lands the playe huh I see 11 LS of playing things things are things are very questionable right it's dicey um I believe I believe one of their one of the one of their after has inserted Ezekiel Elliott at the top of the quebe this is very disturbing um and this act of aggression will not stand and Gus Edwards they're both up at the top of the que both of them are up at the top of the queue uh actually if you if you did want to fade Gus Edwards you could probably fade him like I think his what he lined up at I think was a 48 and a half I don't have my phone I can't find it um uh there's some interesting so a guy who really has jumped the shark is bran Allen huh oh no way brillan Allen brayan Allen will be a fourth round pick next year and and Bree Hall will still be going in the first the only exp yeah I I think the yeah that's right that's right r i do I do think that the Jewish Crew already has too much McBride so they did have to like pivot off Onre Kelce because man could you imagine that team right now with like McBride um I really am hoping they're somewhere in this stream or they're like streaming somewhere or we find out who they are because that is like us right like that's like the RO ofz meets ship Jing meets whoever's like on that zero RB Spectrum for like ETR man like that is like like that is a team ah there goes dubs um that right the the Green Bay receiver we want is still there anyway well there's like the only one there's only only one left well then that's the one Luke Musgrave come on now I thought we were talking about Samari Tori right thinkink he's not even on the team anymore right man I really man it sucks so much like it's really unfair if Green Bay goes from Favre to Rogers and love is also good you know it's not fair yeah it's not fair although although for me personally it's always it's kind of funny because I always like it that Green Bay can never make it out of the first round it's all it's always like one of the best times best one of the best ways to start off the new year is like when Packers fans are just sort of howling just whining in like those like spaces oh I remember I remember joining this like space that was like Aaron rogers's last game his last playoff game and he like it was like a disaster for like the Packers I have have a question is there a real chance saquan is not part part of the brotherly love of Brotherly shove instead of Herz that's actually that's actually uh a very good question um interesting yeah that's yeah so like I I I agree with Rive there if only because that's kind of how that play works is the idea though that that saquan would be like taking the snap yeah like direct snap yeah which he did do in New yor work sometimes I think I think they did some wild cat with him I think historical anomaly kind of says it like taking a snap in the shotgun versus Under Center might uh is considerably different true true Nick I mean Nick chub is I mean he's kind of hand coocking a little bit but like I don't I hate that play for him yeah chubs definitely got some upside although I saw somebody tweet out something that was kind of pessimistic about his about his Outlook some Twitter doctor maybe yeah I think I probably saw something similar where basically said he probably won't be back to his Norm like his old self at least this year but I mean what I think he's what 29 now so I mean this year or ever but uh actually colum and I you know on our streams we've been taking I think we've taken probably two two out of the last three cuz colum's big on him and and I mean I say chub has kind of proved people wrong his whole entire career so I'm I mean that's something that you kind of don't always want to bet against yeah o man this is like actually kind of a fun little dichotomy here like JK dobbin's going right after like Gus Edwards know that that's a very that's a very fun dichotomy h neither are the the running back you want right neither of them are who who well I don't there's a few guys on here that I'd really much rather have than anyone there I mean the running the Chargers running back you want I don't even think I could name anybody else on the Chargers right now who plays running back dudes Haskins son H Haskins yeah that's that's my alter ego they just signed him really like and I'm sure might have to actually draft him about starting Quinton Johnston in the backi of the season they just got to get him on the field because he's so explosive yeah is that is that an issue he is explosive guys he is explosive Juba hubard goes um so this is about where he's been going so I guess I guess this is where you know yeah that's that's the thing about like C squatting more oh of hurt going maybe spend this up Barky just thought I seem had seem smarter than me well the the other thing about about like um like the one the one big thing is like I don't know I don't I guess what makes it difficult to me is like saquon's already going at like the like late first early second like I don't understand or would want to double count any brotherly shove uh kind of red zone or green zone or you know high value touch situation because because you're already there goes Caleb uh so I don't I don't I don't think I I think a lot of the TD upside for sequan is kind of baked in so I don't necessarily think you want to be double counting even even if he does turn into the guy who's actually getting all those oh there goes Taw that's that's that's kind of painful a little bit ear for yeah juice scw back at it ran Thomas yeah I mean I mean if if any if there's any representative in from the Jews crew here please please reveal yourselves because godamn you oh yeah Jal anyway so but to go back to what copy was saying is that like the one like even even if sequan takes over as the you know the guy who is now going to be getting all that all that brotherly Chef touches right I don't think you want to start double counting him into like like as what like I don't think you want to be taking him at the 103 or 104 right because because like he's already getting like he's already appropriately priced at least in my opinion to where I don't think like any any any double counting here essentially makes it so that um you're going to be giving him credit for something he might not necessarily be doing right like like would still think that you'd kind of be okay with waiting it out on a Sequon perspective I understand where you're coming from and I'm kind of with you in that like I do think that he does have like Elite Bowers crippled this build in my opinion yeah I think so too and I think Bowers Bowers has a foot issue and he himself is a [ __ ] um I'm not too worried about about about our quarterbacks because there are a handful uh but yes yes Bowers did but any but of Bowers you think we should have taken like Jaden Reed or Smith and jiga or something or like Pickins James Conor we got pick on the other team yeah already the clock but I'm pretty happy with our running back group that we've been able to yeah I'm actually kind of I'm kind of I mean we could probably Jay right I think here maybe right makes sense and then we get wide receiver on the way back one of these other two guys that's kind of I think that makes sense all right and I don't know how you guys I mean obviously we see how the rest of the draft shakes out but I mean with these five running backs one we have two good wide yeah but like we are messing around a little bit Bowers require stop yeah probably um I don't think it's that high I don't think it's that high there is there is one quarterback though that we might be able to get away with guys and we all know who it is oh yeah prie just went too to a team that already had a quarterback yeah so I think I think we might have to strongly consider quarterback here I think we're about done running back guys I think we're about done running back I feel the same but um AR are a little too going to end up thaning them more than we want to yeah that's that's not a not a sentence I usually hear about my teams I think I think we might need to I mean in the last draft we were in the one guy drafted four quarterbacks but like said every pretty much everybody that only has one left is I mean I don't know if you want to consider Kyler an elite QB but everybody else pretty guys so gonna him they're still gonna take them I think I'm I'm tempted to push it you okay all right okay I think the is that what you were saying Kevin yeah that's kind of what I was leaning into I mean with Richardson and his injury risk there's always a chance that you know maybe like somebody might want a backup o option but I mean I'm okay with pushing it but it could get could get scary real quick yeah I think there's a chance team seven and Team Four might take another QB those are the two teams that I'd kind of be looking at yeah I didn't see seven but I'm just want to see I mean team well no Team Six doesn't need a QB but they would be I guess the other team would be probably not team three um I are there other guys later like doesn't have a quarterback so they're gonna take either one of two or a Goff are are there guys later that we're okay with yeah they have Jordan love I thought you were making a joke oh no um not like there's no one else I really rather I think the kindy of the buck stops either are like you don't want you don't want Kirk Cousins you don't want Gino Smith you don't want Baker nah none of those guys you want to go golf here I D golfer Tua would be my I mean our wide receivers suck [ __ ] man this is kind of H how did this happen um all right let's go golf and we'll we'll get some high upside receivers well there's later if we can find him well there's a few yeah yeah I'm adding a f to of course we F FPC draft last week last week we were just last week we weren't going to consider either leot or Jill McMillan but guess what who's gonna end up both of them are going to end up on this team somehow you know I don't hate it I don't hate it uh I kind of do uh I'm more on the McMillan train more so than the than the Legacy I mean I'm kind of I don't know about you guys man but I'm scared man I've never been in this situation at at wide receiver before I'm gonna what how how did how did it come to this TI game at 47 at 147 left that is right um how did we only end up with four wide receiv you know yeah Bowers really ruined this team this what you have to do he sunk the squad dude he sunk the squad well we're not going to be saying that at the end of the season when he's the tight end one yeah yeah Titan Wonder of like being on the injury report man have you seen have you seen a picture of that guy he's the same size as leapa yeah but he looks more like an account than Hunter rro did dude like if you were to show me like a picture of Brock Bowers right Bowers with the demarcation line good or bad yeah I don't know I I still think you know what make what does make it a little tough at least for me is that I still like this team a lot it's just it just we aren't we're definitely see I think if we didn't take Bowers there we would have taken Conor and Davian WIS and yeah but then we were probably not taking javante right and Jay maybe I mean we might have taking javante but then like what would we would would we have given back one of these running back picks like maybe instead of Benson we take oh my gosh we take courland Sutton I don't know if that's better yeah is this tournament insanely topheavy yeah it is James Conor could put up 30 points but feel like few other picks after him could yeah that's like like I think javante is one of those 30-point guys right and then Jay Brown Jayce Brown DJ treay Benson Jaylen Wright man what is kind of scary is these are a whole bunch of very like after like after like javante these this is kind of like a speculative is group right that's okay okay A little I think Spears and brown both have Standalone value even if Rich are very live to take Herbert yeah Michael I do agree with you like those teams might take him I do feel better about having golf on this team now a little bit J go so like so so both Judy and Wix were in our they were it would have been one of those two guys who we took 12 I think I'm much rather I think I'm much I think I'm happier having golf on this roster frankly um just looking at a bunch of these guys um um yeah our all all I'm saying is we've got a whole lot of wide receivers in our queue right now and none of them are a whole lot of wi none of them like like this is like very much cope cope season is happening it's a weird feel I still man you know what's really weird though is I still can't stop not wanting to draft some of these running back right like what you think gol opens up to yeah you know what GF is gonna have a 400 Point season because Tim Patrick is there Tim Patrick over khif Raymond wow two app weapons those are those are two apps weapons um I will say I will say uh it would be nice to clean sweep this USC LSU game but uh so like now now our pick just like now our entire Q is getting wiped out because I had we had Jaylen Pand there too right if only Tim Patrick could open up um you know it is genuinely frustrating how good some some of these other teams have drafted because like because like the like and it's kind of a crazy like the dichotomy between last week's chaos draft versus what we're getting here which is like a very much a structured assassination of what we're looking at like this is very much the etu brute of us just getting murdered man we're getting murdered here um there goes duang of aloa to the Jordan love team yeah I mean the more I look at things though uh I mean this could be confirmation bias and just trying to like justify our picks but I mean as far as having the two tight ends and the four good wide receivers uh well but we need we need well the issue is that we need Bowers to be good on this team on the other team we didn't yeah but even I mean I I would feel okay sliding you know we're probably not going to put Bowers in the flex every week so he's almost like another wide receiver if you feel like that Bowers is upside is equal to like I'd rather have Bowers over I mean Pickins is like a tossup but like as far as just like as a wide receiver but like Godwin I'd rather have him over Ridley deont a question yeah yeah deont Deontay I might rather have actually yeah I think if like if anything Deontay may have been the pick there but deont is a tough one right like I mean I I don't I man I would what is why is I don't understand I mean I I understand W to Handcock your tight end with Isaiah like but like also we've seen Isaiah likeley without when Mark Andrews has been out and Isaiah likele is also getting you zero points I don't understand that right like like like like like trust me I I had um I had a uh uh a really nice team actually with two four offsuit from ship chasing Discord in in uh yeah was ffpc yeah we did like an ffpc 125 basketball team and we were doing like back flips because like we got squeeze at like tight end and and um and uh we had like Isaiah likele and like the final like a final pi and we were like oh man Isaiah likely we might actually get tight end points and guess what guys guess what happened to us guess how that laid out like do do you know do you know do you know how do you know how like Soul crushing it was and then and then and then like Lamar gets hurt and that was like it and we was like whoa um I'm G to find yeah I don't know man really intriguing Prospect he could have a year coming up hey hey do you actually want to talk to the people the good people so Isaiah likely right after we're like completely eliminated done and dusted against the Rams he goes off against Jacksonville Jags he goes off against Miami he goes off against Pittsburgh he goes off right he has like 20ish points or whatever but do you want to tell the good people that you fleeced me for like Rashad baitman not too long ago you made me give up a first round pick in a basketball Dynasty League we play for and I got and I got Rashad baitman and I was like oh you delightfully devilish dog you and you gave me a first round pick I gave you a first round pick well never trade away your first that's the moral my my own co-host beat my ass man mercilessly like it was like the most remember that you don't no I want to see who that pick actually became what uh what league was this this is the community United in never tanking leue okay now you know now the reason he sounds like that well it could be it because he knows what he did to me could I had the 101 this year no no no because what you did no so you actually traded that pick to somebody else and that pick for somebody else became Drake May okay I think you traded out of that pick and and this guy got Drake May well look Michael Ford says it's finally about to pay off for you do you still have baitman on that team or did you release him or something no I think I still have him I still have him but do you know how like brutal it was to like have like to watch like a Baltimore Ravens fan trading away like Rashad baitman only for a first especially when everyone was like ah you know anyway uh I think I think we have a very clear wide receiver pick here um I mean there's a guy that I prefer maybe I mean I mean the issue is I think it's a conversation man the the issue here is that there's so many running backs that I just want to right you have Herbert who I want to take ra Allen who you want to consider so like oh it's tough it's a it's a tough scene because like my my my brain is still wired on on the running back stuff yeah probably this has to be a trick question let's say Davis Davis who is older rard back it's it's got to be Ray Davis Man Ray Davis is like 30 years old isn't he I think he's 25 right or 24 24 or 25 he might already be 25 but bin could be 25 too nope I would say probably Ray Davis Ray Davis is 18 days older we just we just got there yeah all right so who are we not on this team but not on this team who who are you guys going to argue for cuz I have one guy who I'd like I think I don't have a strong uh preference here so I'll defer to are you gonna argue for the guy that's at the top of the Q Hassan yeah pretty much I was gonna I was gonna argue for ad I Mitchell yeah yeah byp he's the pick the guy that I wanted that I have an argument for is a lot further down so I think we get him later well he's going to come later I I mean like I see who you're like you can just tell everyone who it is there's a lot of teams that aren't going to take him yeah I mean wandale is the guy that I actually think has I mean yeah W delay yeah of course I want Wale right but like well well he'll have another pick in a few seconds I think Adan is the pick here a lot of upside well I mean I mean I mean Adonai is the pick here like by far I mean like the the real question here we just took him yeah the real question for you guys here is want Jaylen tolberg right or Jaylen McMillan so let's just see where these guys are going because Wale is early 16 see yeah like I'm not I'm not wor is middle of the 15th Tolbert is early 17 so like McMillan is the probably the next Guy Mitchell we got at about a six or seven pick discount so that was nicec if you like Legette he's also middle of the 15th and then also pery is middle of 15th I don't know if we need to consider him on this team pretty interesting p is interesting I real see the question is do we just go Justin Tucker again it's too early for Tucker even I think it's too early for Tucker it is too early we do need we do need probably we do need more especially on this team if we had more receivers I could be tempted into Tucker yeah we don't we just yeah we can't I think it's has got to be Legette or McMillan M McMillan yeah I don't care uh I I actually think actually think I think Legette makes is like a better like upside play just from like lack of targets type of thing but I'm I'm ambivalent BL you you did all the work on this you tell me I mean I just don't think I don't a strong preference yeah look hang on let me go see where our rookie rankings were Sean did just write up McMillan which has me kind of excited for him not just but a week ago yeah and I wrote McMill too I just don't think he's an early season play he's more of a stash and stashing weight and we had we we had bril and Allen I mean sorry we had we had Legette at like the top of like that like that year and then McMillan like shortly after that so yeah but this was these are kind of old right I know I know right mcmillions mcmillions all right I prefer McMillan so I'm gonna it's not that I don't you know I could definitely see Legette having a good season uh well I mean actually it is kind of hard but it is very hard dude you see Bryce young he couldn't even fit his helmet last year it's kind of to see him having a good season but I want to you know kind of be cognizant of the fact that I get a lot of these late wide receivers wrong man Joe is right dude Brock Bowers really sank this well Brock B is going toing it maybe he will maybe he will on his on his like I'm gonna I'm gonna google this Brock Brock Bowers injury status right injury update Brock Bowers Raiders coot shares latest on te te's week one status the week one status of Las Vegas Raiders 2024 first round pick and tight end that's a bad editing has been up in the air ever since he suffered a foot injury that's kept in sideline from practice for the past three weeks blah blah blah blah blah yeah I feel really good about that to be honest beer set Bowers his chances of playing in week one just again I'm going to go back to protecting the young guys sometimes again in the league you have to be smart so you have to go for everything from themselves that's all that it is so is that yes or no despite having seconde tight end Michael Mayer Who was daed in the second round in 2023 the Raiders still went ahead and took Bowers in the first pick number 13 overall in 2024 he should be an immediate contributor in Las Vegas's offense this coming season man the saddest the saddest thing is when it's going to be Devonte Adams and Brock Bowers blocking for Alexander Madison and one one of seven took Legette so I mean realistically had we not taken Legette they would have taken mcmillions so Rock and Hard Place there Nei of them were coming back yeah uh crippled yeah um it is I mean it is what it is you know it is it is very funny though like like last week we boxed ourselves out of getting any of these upside guys and this week now we're just to get all these upside guys um oh look I hit the threee there so I got the first half H game total under and also USA oh us I did not have USC money line though life lesson there for us what can I say guys I just I just hate making money sometimes you know so what what is your guys feelings about as uh like upside plays versus I'm not even saying like low floor but like one saying like Wale I mean since we with uh yeah I want Wale on this team I just think we can wait on him yeah right like I don't think a lot like like actually and I'm sorry to do this we don't we don't usually do this Blair by any chance you have the other other draft board up in like another dab that we might be able to show boom was is ju was ju yeah Wale went in the 17th there too yeah 1702 I'm just talking about just our picks moving forward are you guys looking for more upside guys or do you think we need to try no I think we can get the floor we can get the floor it's not it's not an issue right like it's not it's not an issue like I just think that we can take him 162 it's not it's not a problem we can decouple from ADP it's not a problem they here God work yeah yeah I don't I don't have a problem reaching for him wow Brandon Aubrey over Justin Tucker what a [ __ ] play going going really early I mean man I just don't to it but I'm not a really a kick or whisper even though I pretend to be I play one I don't know man I mean looking at this guy's profile picture I am not very questionable very very just very questionable all I'm saying is man this guy looks like he thinks starish sauce is too spicy you know Au he's a professional soccer player e even even more suspicious oh he was drafted by Toronto FC and played for the club's Reserve team then switched to American football and played for the Birmingham stallions of the usfl he's a former soccer player former usfl guy interesting okay okay but I mean look at this guy's picture man he definitely he definitely has like taken a sip off like barrier sparking water and G spicy water like like like this is there we go take care of that hip Aubrey take care of that hip we don't need that bad boy popping out I don't know what these guys the guy that 101 is doing he's lost control of this draft a little bit so are you guys interested in all at a Justin Herbert as Q2 wow L says no I'm not I don't hate it honestly this silence the silence I don't know not on this team I don't think I don't think well I mean it gets it gets pretty gross pretty and gets groy pretty quick though I think that we might still want to be looking at some wide receiver picks because yeah well so a bit like so like Justin Herbert and Matthew Stafford so where do we want I guess a real question do we want a qb2 yeah that is a question we we might be okay without getting one at all but I'm not opposed to it well I mean I mean the reason I'm bringing it up is because at some point you would think a guy who can give deliver at least 18 to 19 points a game is better than someone who's going to be cut for a guy who can give you 18 17 17 18 points a game right yeah yeah no I was say I so I just went in the stat Explorer and checked out because I wasn't really sure how consistent G GF was and golf was only a qb1 141% of the time last year uh qb2 53% of the time so I mean I thought he was probably a little more consistent than that at the top end so I mean I just based on that the consistency sake I think that maybe getting a second guy would not be the worst thing but then you have run into to the problem of deciding who to start week to week which could create a whole new can of worms I mean I mean Joe Joe is right that the Fun Factory between rounds 1 through eight versus the rest of the draft is immeasurable yeah I I mean I mean I mean part of it is is also you know like I mean like yes but but some of the fun from like one through eight what actually makes the other rounds really really fun is if the guys on stream just completely Biff their draft and then you just spend the like the other 12 rounds just [ __ ] themselves on stream because that man man like I don't know if you guys like have seen it but there's a few guys get into the 2K me drafts and then they just start [ __ ] themselves and it's like the most the most like fun EST thing that you'll ever see CU like you're seeing them slowly realize very painfully that yeah I had just bued 2K on on on dog [ __ ] so 105 is watching the stream right they gota be oh that's all right I mean but not such so much even like my questions about wandale but my question was more like just as like an aggregate sort of like question is like do we really want do do we want to look for some guys that might have some earth like I think uh Tolbert would be a good one because he looks to have like a defined role like at the beginning of the Season like is where like you know Ed and I Mitchell and McMillan are more of like late lat season plays like I guess Ed and I Mitchell probably will be have a role like right off the gate but actually Joe I think 105 might be camping on the stream because that's pretty early for one we don't know for I don't yeah we don't know for sure they could just be really smart like uh like Joe is saying yeah I do not think that Tolbert is a bad pick for sure I I like Tolbert and you know in terms of like upside guys who we could take here it's Al there aren't a lot of them so I think is has Mims kind of been confirmed now as the the wide receiver 2 there in Denver I mean he's another guy that's the wide receiver proba the W wide receiv receiver is probably javante if you're being honest yeah Jal yeah I think we could probably get both of them tolbert's going I mean they're both going in the 17th so I'm not necessarily worried of course so was Wale so if we want to do like Tolbert Mims here tolbert's going a little bit earlier like Malik yeah we can we can do that yeah I do like Malik Washington as well yeah I feel like he could defin is something we could definitely get a little later right yeah in fact yeah he is 18 1812 so um we like Tolbert here is that kind of the yeah consensus yeah I'm good with it all right so yeah I mean we've got bunch of people who are pretty interesting still coming up you know at this point like a lot of different people are pretty interesting but will they do anything no that's that that's that's that's that's why I bringing up quarterback too right like like I think you you lock in the guaranteed points and not worry too much about that right like I guess the only issue kind of to I think Kevin made this point after talking about how consistent Goff was is that it's actually kind of hard to tell when you want to be starting Goff versus someone else because I mean like yeah he wasn't that consistent but it didn't necessarily correlate to who they were playing to like their opponent you know he puts up5 against Green Bay in week four and then 27.5 against Green Bay in week 12 so I think think I think I think realistically it's more so well uh actually if we want to go back to analyzing this draft a little bit game 107 took uh Alexander Madison is someone who I've been talking about quite a bit again like I said much better risk adjusted bet than zamir white uh Team 112 just took samaj perine these are guys who we locked ourselves out of right although you guys we didn't like Madison went undrafted in our previous draft and you guys you guys keep like Banning me for one in a day cam you keep saying like just awful [ __ ] names guys like guys like rashen Ali and [ __ ] right like I really think like week one like if this comes out like a 6040 touch share with Madison on the 40% side right like his actual value is going to be like he's going to be at $300 three $36 bid like come the next week I think you really would rather have that locked in on that other team which makes more sense because there is guaranteed there are guaranteed touches anyway we should probably just take Marvin Mims here so I mean Herbert's the guy by ADP but if you think we're we're okay pushing the QB decision and just yeah keep hammering wide receiver then I'm definitely happy with Mims all right yeah we can do that I mean my thought on on uh Madison if he gets a 40% touch share in week one he's probably going to be down to 10% by week five so they're going to see what they have I just I just think he's just kind of dust at this point I mean he didn't really have a lot season with more Aries Madison or Brock Powers who finishes with more points this season probably Bowers but like more carries I said more carries oh broley Madison I don't know I think so I'm telling you dude like the big thing is I just think zamir white gets cocked by Madison midseason I think with Madison is that he just has never been that good in the NFL yes but we're also not being drafting him in the fourth round like people were last year well that's true right that's like that's their issue that's not an us issue that's a them issue I just don't think his his kind of position on CH wats Baker Mayfield what oh okay uh yeah I'm with you uh but they don't really have anybody else don't they they I mean they have lby obviously but uh oh yeah I mean but stock down dude like they might also have um somebody waiting in the wings that we haven't even heard of yeah that's who might be better than Madison honestly that's true um anyway but deshun Watson and Baker Mayfield going earlier than Justin Herbert there is a team that take has taken three quarterbacks which is just I think that's pretty bad um so team 107 if you are sitting in in in the chat um good job you [ __ ] up one time kind of dumb do they still have air Abdullah they do still have air oh that's not te1 of7 is te1 of six te1 of six has Jaden Daniels and Cayla Williams and Matthew Safford interesting I wouldn't have done that Justin yeah Justin Herbert down bad guess guess guy took Baker to pair with Evans I I don't think I would have done that there goes team 107 if you get there in the chat [ __ ] you guys because that's a good team man like they they took liot they took Madison they heard me talking about him obviously they were like yeah that guy made some good points and Justin Herbert man God good picks um if we do want a quarterback to Aaron Rogers is still out there got some options um bonck yeah all right so on last team Gino Smith Fields Pittsburgh's uh week two starter I don't think he's going to start man so who do you guys absolutely not want because juice crew is coming up and I don't want to get Juiced Again by so just throw out the worst names possible for them and see if still will Lis really interesting pairing with Tai Spears that's right um man that sounds so sad dude because you know you know you know oh man all right so like I one of you guys explaining me why team defense it's team defense um any interest in in um Joan Johnson a little bit yeah a little bit right I've been on him pretty much all offseason except even except for when he got hurt I mean even well even when he got hurt I mean I was just I actually kind of doubled down at a much lower price right like yeah he was he's like I feel Jan feels like your bail life Di and oh there goes there goes Yoshi okay never mind they're not watching the stream they're they just they're inq dude I saying they came to play um no what I was gonna say about like because Joan Johnson feels like that bailout died end all offseason right um it's it's been a tough I don't know if it's been a tough tough that's not the right word tough isn't the right word um it's been a long offseason I'm happy it's coming to an end like like like Ju Just from the perspective of like I think it's now time that we actually start act you know enough enough hypotheticals you know everyone has made their own beds it's time to start figuring out where we lie on them right like um man although the one thing I will say about like team 105 is they are they are playing with fire at running back like like like like that is a team that needs Jaylen Warren to actually be a be a true thing well they have beon too you can't see it on this oh that's yeah I mean they they do have beon I forgot about that it's so unfair when you're able to do that man can't cuz like cuz like they week one starters are probably bejan and Jalil or has jayen Warren not been officially ruled out yet I don't think he's been ruled out yet uh but that's just I don't know I we kind of talking with you guys I know it's not a real thing but I mean it seems like pretty much every draft that I'm in on the ffpc lately I'm getting like pick eight through 12 so I think they need to like go into their server and blow it out like a Nintendo cartridge and kind of just like kick it and shake it up a little bit cuz I just I just cannot get anything like above 108 like like so so can someone can someone like um make a bull argument for dvin cook I'm just kidding well I mean you can make a be argument for every other Cowboys running back yeah I know but that doesn't yeah but like but like sorry you're out of sync oh yeah that's just I don't even know why that's happening anymore who's here who who just wrote here which team are you identify 78 here here here let's see uh I think I saw did I see somebody with that name in the the league home maybe it's so fun no are you so I guess you want to ask him straight up if he's are you drafting with us bro who are you who are you yeah buy am I looking at the wrong thing no not you're not on our draft that's all good man Sean Ben kind of like cook essentially they're less convinced he's washed than someone yeah so like I don't think doin cook is as washed as Zeke right and I think I think Rico D is also kind of not it I mean like just came back from a [Laughter] party that what a what a what a mench uh there goes Greg George I don't know man like half these guys are INR Q's KH Herbert got drafted right yeah he did much earlier than I thought man so what was that one beard in draft season it was like what may or something where like where like where like Roshan Johnson was going earlier than Herbert that made no sense man and before ju is the guy in Dallas yeah I don't know man like I thought I thought goou was a fine signing I think again he's a guy who I don't know if you want to take a peek at him especially if his other viable players but like I don't Dynasty probably I would probably consider him um yeah there's some I don't who added dami Brown to the skew guilty over here uh old school faite you actually explain we explain it right like it's more of just the melding between well he's supposed to be the wide receiver to right now they're playing on the outside and just it's more just the melding between daniels's deep ball and him just just basically a solely deep threat it's not much different than Mims you know the Mims bet just kind of a guy that's been in the league a few years longer and hasn't really done anything so it's it's getting some some camped well someone just added will Shipley back to the que I don't know if we need another running back him out yeah we only have five well yeah we do we might need a six but we need we need a defense we need a kicker we need two skill guys right and if maybe one of the two skilled guys is a quarterback there goes Rogers that's fine did did that team have two quarter that the team's third quarterback no just just Rogers good pick um you're out okay I just added which guy did you said actually I'm not I'm not I'm not out any of these guys well except for field I'm out Fields but like that's who I meant um I mean get drafted yeah he's just not GNA yeah he's just not going to get drafted and trust me like's very set in his ways man like I would I would not expect to see Ross not play for a while yeah uh dami Brown going in the 19th yeah I don't think we need to worry about like more like none of our wide receiver F we should be worried about I'm think in the middle of the 16 so I think he's a pretty good value here [Music] um you like Shipley Kevin yeah yeah it's probably one of my most own guys this off season so I'm okay with that is there some you one of you guys pick a kicker as well in the way back because we need to we need to get that out of the way there's two good ones in the queue right now just pick one oh yeah okay well let's take Shipley and then yeah we'll get one of these two kickers well I mean the guys at the end's not going to take him the kickers were like trying to choose between are like buer or um or Cy Fair Baron I'm thinking Fair bar might actually be a good pick I think you gotta go with it the Kansas City guy take a look with yeah that's thing take a look right so the Thursday game yeah and then the only thing is we might not get dami brown coming back in the 19 so we do need to kind of did Troy Franklin get picked or did you take him out of the queue I took him out of the queue because I just don't think it makes much sense to have like a team that's like 20% Denver Broncos I think I think we made our bed with Mims I think it was Mims or Franklin and I don't think I'm that interested in Franklin so not that we have Mims this guy takes a kicker I might actually argue for tiami okay that I can buy that but then we're gonna lose if he takes that is if he takes bucker yeah also yeah and yeah I'd be okay with him too he's going later though I mean realistically it's just what I what I do hate is how long some of these guys on the edge take right because you had like all day to think through this like the five people you're taking maybe they have like three people their stream too that are arguing I think I think I might actually consider Jan Johns ahead of dami brown Jaylen hayatt okay well do you want to go kicker here or you want to or do we close out with something else yeah I do I do kind of agree with Hassan as far as like I would take probably take Jan Johnson over any of those wide receivers but it's more do you guys want the kicker now or you wanna no I think I think Jan might actually make the most sense like I think I much rather havean than like s or jig or Kobe well Kobe Parkinson we all like but likei rather right yeah all right yeah I'm good with that I think they're kickers later who are good yeah yeah yeah no no I just meant like I think Jan should have gone earlier than S yeah right yeah i' take him pretty much I think he's all the way up through like over I'd probably take him over Fant and uton when they all they all went like the 15th So based in the 20th no so well but this is it right because now we need to go kicker defense and that's it Jan should be going four runs early in my opinion yeah I think I think Jan also gives us is like a pretty solid stop Gap right like I much TR to have Jan Johnson and zackers or Greg gich or ch ch okono probably even kobby Parkinson prob definitely over mik siki definitely over JN Smith definitely over his Noah fan definitely like he should be going in that definitely over Isaiah likeley definitely over like Hunter Henry maybe I don't know right yeah like like let me just see if he's ready to play yeah he's been he's been back at camp for at least a week or two now yeah like I mean realistically um go Fair Baron nice thing about Fair Baron is he has the week 14 by so you don't have to worry about yeah you just sort of play him that's that like that's that he becomes like your guy but like yeah there go youo even was Johnson I mean he's the converted wide receiver he just gives like the the Darren Waller Vibes almost you know not to say he's going to that level yeah that's a good one that's that's actually a really good point is like is like Phillies in the still in the middle of the kicker battle right or is no they they cut down right hang on Philadelphia yeah I'm just trying to check to see how many kickers they car give me a sec I'm I mean is is it not just Elliot checking right now kind of crazy that bucker hasn't gone yet I mean there's there been a few of those moments where no one like there's been a handful of guys hang on let me see where's the kicker it is Jake Elliot what do you know yeah it's just Elliot Joe I must have misunderstood what you wrote sorry um QJ goes right so like I'd rather have like just I definitely would much rather have Jan Johnson Jermaine Burton Johan Dawson okay who is Jordan wittington right on the Rams he had a good uh preseason I think or a good camp and now he's getting a little a little bit of hype UTP guy a guy from UTEP dreads puka light right and you know I mean puka is currently hurt Cup coming off a pretty serious injury and also kind of old who knows oh man I can't believe someone we're about to gift team five Harrison bucker y in the 19th I mean I can't for one thing I can't believe I'm I'm getting upset about kicker picks but well I'm happy I'm definitely happy with Elliott I'm happy with narvis I'm happy with even probably a bunch of other guys I've gotten so far away from playing in teams with kickers and in defenses have these names like narison never I'm like who's that guy oh yeah what I do like though about middle picks allow for all the value if you had the patience yeah what I do like yeah team one five obviously was going to take it would be nice to get a pick in the middle ones yeah I hope to have one one day instead of picking the back third H this website's rigged against us man every time we do these drafts on stream we have to like fight you know what but like it's hopefully it makes for some good entertainment because because because realistically what is what is entertaining to me is you know again like like I was saying earlier whereas when you see the guys put down 2K stream one of these drafts get the backs slot and then just get completely destroyed like just just get [ __ ] like turned inside out yeah having had a top yeah exactly Joe they're like I think I think I think what ffpc did was like went through everyone who subscribed to the road of his channel and has decided to like back with the top picks well it's like a handicap in golf yeah exactly well again again like but it is but it is funny watching some of these guys with like lots of you know lots of subs and everything else like going into the ffbc drafts and just get their H turn inside out right because like because like you just see because you see their faces change like the entire demeanor changes like they're slowly the entire stream kind of goes quiet because it's just them and like you know they're always like not really able to give much analysis because like they're slowly watching all these good picks just get go go go and it's just it's just man like that's like that's where the value is you know when you after the first eight rounds is when you watch these streamers just sort of lose the plot entirely I mean this entire team lost the plot you know starting from B Bowers but we I I don't think I think we've done this enough to where we can't really panic but like watching other guys panic in real time is actually kind of fun I I I I I need to get more of those short and Freud streams in so if anyone can find them and just tweet them at me because man I'd love to just be in the chat saying man this is like not going to work out for you huh because it is funny because you know you know they can see it um um Garson Dicker do we go do we go defense first yeah the entirety this bu this sucess on Bow's back and guess what the only way we'll know if Bowers is gonna succeed is if his foot is okay I don't think it really makes a big difference I mean the team at the turn already has their defense so if we Pi if we have a preference on kicker we should probably take him first yeah right I might prefer I I might prefer Jake Elliott okay they both play on Friday so they're both take a pick take a peak guys had a great dream that Panic drafted Caleb Williams in like the eighth round because we don't have a pick um you like I guess let's just take narvis Nar sure yeah see see see see Rive gets it man the guil cat had a great stream where they Panic drafted like Caleb Williams in the eth because they were terified not getting the was a good yeah see it's fun man like like like it's fun sometimes you know gcast is all Panic yeah it's it's like it's like alltime stress all the time it's great it's it's it's tremendous but like but like but like what again Evan mcferson all we got to take a defense dang so uh I've got Green Bay and Philadelphia in the queue for the take a peak reasons and and you know if one of them is good they both kind of have decent week two matchups I kind of like Green Bay is at home against Indianapolis oh I don't know Philadelphia you don't like that one oh yeah Philadelphia versus Philadelphia at home against Atlanta I I prefer Phil to Atlanta man yeah I take Philly too I like the way they're building out that defense with all those young Georgia guys there's a good chance they could you know basally they spent a ton of young picks between their line and I gu value to stacking narvis and Green Bay defense but I don't think so I think they're inversely correlated in basball they're not no yeah but I was just say formats when that have had kicker and defense which obviously is not very popular anymore well they got to bring that [ __ ] back man that's like a real Edge years ago when I when I last looked at it but actually trying stacking kicker in defense was a strategy that that seemed to be it unpopular and plus EV but like but like from like a Philly perspective like you got just because we can stream these right I think of from like this perspective of like we don't know if Kurt Cousins is all right yet right yeah and you could be getting him throwing ducks like or benck you might see PEX uh I think look week three Philadelphia at New Orleans which is also pretty nice that that's a pretty nice one too of course Green Bay is at Tennessee which is also nice yeah right you say that now then Tai SP puts up a 50 Burger on him Green Bay home against Minnesota in week four that's a nice one Philadelphia on the road at Tampa [Applause] Bay and Philadelphia is a Buy in week five which is only bad thing about taking Philadelphia is that they have that yeah but then you just but by then we probably will have dropped them yeah but by then we would also probably hopefully be five and0 four and0 there you go yeah I mean I think I think again I think again to Joe's point this entire build is contingent on Bowers actually being a good pick um but I do think Eagles Eagles Jeff goes along with the love fade bro trust me that would be the top one funniest thing this season is if love just throws for 2800 yards and like 30 picks like three touchdowns it would be so funny because you've got like all these guys being drafted highly and like and I know it's just very unlikely this is like a 5% or less or less outcome but man just imagine how like the blood would drain from your face and just like if you were a Packers fan you'd be sitting in Green Bay just like oh no oh no it would be like it would be very much like how Patriots fans were like all in on Ma Jones and all of a sudden they were like oh no could you imagine oh I love those moments man yeah man this is this is it the last the last pick last Sunday was football you guys have anything to say to the people or Kevin you haven't talked enough read off our team all right so we go so at quarterback we got Jared Goff running back javante Williams Chase Brown Taj Spears Trey Benson Jaylen Wright will Shipley wide receiver AJ Brown Rashi rice Brandon iuk Xavier worthy Ed I Mitchell Jaylen McMillan Jaylen Tolbert Marvin Mims tiend Sam Lort and Brock Bowers andrean Johnson kicker Braden narvis and defense we got Philly so there you go feels like it's been a long time since we started that draft I forgot that we had AJ Brown on this roster yeah this was a long one yeah a lot of take a peak guys I mean I know we've been talking about Bowers as kind of a Lynch pin of this draft but I really think that we're strong enough elsewhere that if he has a slow start we can still be okay so is this turny going to Overlay good question long time it looked like it was and I still I still think it probably will but it probably will which I mean again I'm not going to be the guy who's going to say go out and like jam a whole bunch of additional manage leagues in but like if you can get an additional team or two in there is still some magic to actually redraft I think um at least I still enjoy the I mean the way we're process at least in ffbc the mid stakes and the high Stak stuff um there's Game Theory and play uh there's a lot of thought that actually has to be involved more so than your typical home leagues um it's arguably easier to win a manage League than than a beste ball well yeah that's right I mean I mean people give up about halfway through yeah but also also the thing with like best ball is like man look at like half the monkey pick on like DK and all you need to know about that is when you start getting into the actual playoffs and you start seeing the Pod structures and you just look at some of these like teams that show up and you're like good God like how is their how is their ninth round my third round pick or like I that's extreme like how is their ninth round pick someone you know I was like I had to take in the fourth or the fifth that's actually very real right you get these like just out of like like just out of whack like unfair B that you have to deal with right again you just such a kick um at least over here you know there's still so many outs for how soft it is I think that there's still value in that or like this fun in that you know um the human the human error versus like the optimization right because the biggest errors you can make in like best ball is just not figuring out how to you know adequately pick you know your spread your 16th to 18th round picks which again there's a whole strategy in it to itself and you know conversations and happen but like I think there's still value and like items that this right like um at least the way at least at least how I that's just my own personal feeling um but the human error stuff I do think the one thing the one thing I do like about having Jan Johnson on this team is he does provide you know covering fire while Brock Bowers gets his CPA or whatever it is that he's doing right now um uh the that's the thing looks like a Bowers leads ding catches yeah maybe or he leads or he leads uh you know correcting the accounts payables I don't know um that guy just I just cannot get over like how how much he looks like a dork dude like how is this guy like you know like because like like I think I think Brock Bower is genuinely when you watch him play football like when you watched him play football back when he was healthy in Georgia was this frightening guy who you just could not stop getting over the like just you don't want to be like like like why would you try and stop him if you're a quarterback why not just run and make sure yes 90% of my take is from the one yes this is 90% dude it's like 99% dude and it's like and it's unfair because he's going up against like one of the alpha tees right but like and like Bowers when he's in uniform like Amos B for Georgia is such a freak like like you could try to tackle him you were just like they were like cornerbacks who could just like who would get on him and he would just run away with them on his back it's like it's like God what a grown ass man and you see that picture of him and grank and it's like oh my God yeah but I mean he he is good um Joan Johnson I am very excited about like I don't understand like like I know he got injured then everything else happened and now he's just free I don't know is there I mean are people concerned that like um what's his name that quarterback who was also excited yeah is there concern's actually gonna be kind of involved or anything they're saying it again and they do it every offseason he was kind of involved last year right but like I think for our purposes since he's like Lista as a quarterback we don't need to worry about him breaking the game yeah I mean he's a tight end on like I think uh nfl.com and Yahoo but at the same time like even though he's listed as like a quarterback tight end he doesn't play like a tight end like I'm not worried but he shouldn't be on but he shouldn't be on Yahoo right like like where he is positionally on the roster should set where he should be like sleeper and Yahoo I think are off siiz in this one whereas ffbc and NFL and everybody else everyone else he should be listed as a running back his role his role isn't that of a tight end either so but but the Saints have listed him as a quarterback and because he's a quarterback and the roster that's where he should be only allowed to slot in over here yeah right like I think I think the platforms that are just going against how the how the team has him positioned are off sides is my point yeah I also think that like if you're part of the Jon him hill meme [ __ ] like what else do you guys find funny the I like turtles kids like come on guys like [ __ ] grow up like like like like like like like what are some of the other like old long gone memes I don't know man but Jon Hill Jon Hill feels like one of those it just feels like a very shameful time in fantasy football to be doubting tap it just feels like the wrong side of History to be T like if you ever touted like Jason Hill it just it just feels like you're just on the wrong side of History man uh I can get down with that um are there other teams we've been talking about team five a lot they look good are other teams that that you're worried about in this draft uh of kind of competing with us for the uh top seed come playoff time 107 why do I hit I don't for actually actually historical anomalies might be too young to remember this but there was a there was a time on the internet back at the start of YouTube where there was this one kid with his face painted and um and it was like a meme called I hate Turtles and I'm G to see I can find it for him you guys you guys keep giving out analis I also maybe I'm too young for uh for this one but in any case I think I might be too old for all these talking about uh let's see Team seven started Garrett Wilson Drake London Devon aan Evan Ingram Z flower James Connor Brian Thomas Joshua Palmer Blake corm Austin Eckler they got Trevor Lawrence in the 11th they took Judy in the 12th when he we were about to take him Hunter Henry probably in the 13th isn't where I would have gone but all in all this team looks pretty good they also grab Xavier Legette Madison Justin Herbert to ran out their QB room and uh some other guys that they'll probably cut soon enough we didn't really talk about team three at all but I mean through round nine I mean I think their team is pretty stacked they kind of went off the rails after that where I don't really feel great about their team I mean they drafted two defenses but like I mean through round nine their team Wasing pretty mean so this team is Bree Hall Cooper cup Malik neighbors Kenneth Walker George KD Jaden Reed Aaron Jones Jameson Williams Jordan love Curtis Samuel JK Dobbins Tua Michael Wilson Brandon Aubrey in the 14th maybe not but it just sort of like falls apart at the back end it does like the Curtis Samuel pick doesn't maybe make a ton of sense the pick okaya you probably didn't need to go there just yet you know this team I mean you know they did kind of this balance start thing where they get a few early receivers a few early running backs they get George KD they've got the elite onesies I do like the way this started um yeah I don't exactly know what like I don't want to say necessarily that a team is bad because I disagree with their player takes because that's the thing that I'm probably most likely to be wrong about but um but that's kind of how I feel about this team yeah that's probably when the sauce started kicking in they're feeling good and then they got get a little bit get loose juice and then they just started getting wild with it yeah team one also had a pretty this this team fell apart pretty quick man right it looked promising they had mcaffrey Mark Andrews Nico Collins Jaylen Herz mclen Smith and jiga Odun Christian Watson and then they go four straight running backs and then these two TI end sandwich is cousins K cousins D Dallas defense um up until up until the 13th when they started to do this tight end thing with Kirk second the second they went like Isa lik cousins got K sort of fell apart plus Jerome Ford and Nick chub as your running back two I think that's fine I think that's fine but like do do rest point offing Mark Andrews is like uncashable man yeah that doesn't make a lot of sense I don't I mean I understand both Ford and chub on some teams I don't know if I would do it when they're your second and third running backs taken I yeah I don't I don't know maybe maybe it's fine maybe that works out um I guess is actually kind of interesting too except for the again like again but like I think team 12 makes them good is that like their structure is sound I don't like their players that's 100% that's yeah that's how it always goes um I I think I think team nine was kind of nice is nice with it team 107 team 105 obviously yeah you just know he was hoping to yeah yeah I te 105 that we've been talking about for a long time for the listeners bejon Robinson Travis Kelce Jaylen Wadd DJ Moore tank Dell Deontay Johnson Kyler Murray Jaylen Warren Jordan Addison Charan mlin Jaylen pulk Marshon Lloyd juandale Hamer Smith Atlanta defense I mean honestly that's good man I like all these players I like the structure this is a team I would draft if you sub [ __ ] them like that is such a good team like [ __ ] man yeah and and I and I think I think R said this earlier they might have probably got too much McBride across their portfolio and they're rebalancing which is fair right but that's a really good [ __ ] team it's so annoying that we just never get to pick there I'd probably take Reed over Deonte Jaden Reed Jade yeah but like I think that's like a very such that's pretty close yeah works out yeah right even inun yeah Odun versus Deontay yeah instead of DJ MO but I mean these are so close so it's so close but like yeah um the 107 I think kind of fell apart a little bit but they're still solid yeah we talked about we R Drake London Devon Anan Evan Ingram Z flowers James Conor Brian Thomas Joshua Palmer Blake Forum Austin Eckler DW Jerry Judy Hunter Henry zavel Leets um Alexander Madison Justin Herbert Cleveland Johan Dawson ER and DJ J right who should I put in my Flags Ford or neighbors wait these that's you should put neighbors uh in your Flex um for sure how is that a question that's not a question like you just put neighbors dude neighbors neighbors is like a is like a two three turn whereas like Ford is like again n910 like I think I think like I think like so late in SPN draft but PPR definitely PPR definitely neighbors man like I just think I just think that's just who you want brother neighbors is probably you know he went in the third here in in like home leagues ESPN Yahoo NFL stuff where he's going sixth round seventh round he's probably the best pick in the draft Yeah and worthy up yeah yeah and Bowers oh just so just is a caveat too Bowers isn't only the Lynch pin of this whole entire roster he's the pretty much the Lynch pin of my whole entire portfolio this year so he fails we're we're going down we're going down where not in a good way I don't know yeah you taking us yeah uh um but yeah so I think I think this is it at least for us uh guys any last words uh before th Night Football can you imagine that we're saying these words yeah it's finally coming H this was fun this is a good team I like this team even you say what you will about Bowers and how important you know how maybe we messed up that pick I still think this is strong and but I think but this is why but this is why I'm just thankful for everyone who watches the show and I'm thankful for everyone who like actually is willing to push back right like because um I think it only like I think I think this Dynamic only works if you guys are sharp as opposed to a bunch of lemmings and are willing to actually push back right because again like I said there's a lot of streams where you know bigger streamers just stop refusing to actually listen to critical foot pushback they might have as a blood drains from their face while watching while realizing that they should be taking de sary like as their rb1 that's not how you do zero RB I mean we did still draft Marvin Mims so I mean what can you do I mean that's that's the easy drop right that's the easy drop yeah but like again like I'm I'm just thankful for everybody and I'm and I'm excited for having everybody like hang out and have a good time with us Sunday nights but for this for this week I really like I don't know how I'm going to watch this game I think realistically I guess the only like as start off you know I'm just I'm just excited man we're back we're back and now everyone's going to you know now the cards are going to be turned over and let's see how everything works out man like I'm excited um be a good season it's gonna it's gonna be fun it's gonna be fun uh we will we we will keep you guys updated as to how our teams are doing over the course of the season um and it's quite possible well it's quite possible you see all three of us living under a bridge the probably the same Bridge uh rap you know live streaming from a over a burning Barrel but we have we'll have some fun guys week 17 special yeah all right all right well thanks everyone for tuning in remember to like And subscribe and uh subscribe to rovis if you haven't already we got 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