It Ends With Me (Along with Bachelorette & Big Brother Talk)

[Music] [Music] [Music] what's up everyone welcome in Sunday Night Live stream fun times I tell you we got a lot to go over tonight we're gonna have some guests and the guests are going to be you the readers oh whoops I always have my other open I always have my YouTube uh Channel open so I am hearing it now in my ear okay so anyway we've got some of you guys coming on couple people I hope they do I don't know them but you saw me put out a tweet you saw me put out an Instagram post like hey if you want to join in the discussion about it ends with us the movie that was released this weekend and if you've seen both I'd like to talk to you and we had people respond and we have two people coming on one in 15 minutes and one in 30 minutes and I just wanted to kind of get that out of the way also if you want to help the show you want to donate anyway everything is Down Below on how you can do that I appreciate that any Super Chat money will when we get to questions at the end we'll be added uh we'll IM immediately uh go to the front of the line and there will be spoilers talked about book and movie although we'll get to that in about 15 minutes wanted to start off with what I always start off with number one thing my shirt sure you all know this shirt this is um well I shouldn't say I sure you all know this because I don't know how many people watch watching this cared about movies in the 80s like I do but this is the last scene of The Breakfast Club with John Bender walking off the football field if I remember correctly I thought I saw something recently it was some sort of poll and it wasn't some major poll but it was some sort of poll that asked what was the defining image of a 1980s movie and this was voted number one which I can't really say I disagree with it or maybe it was the most recognizable scene from a movie in the 80s I don't know I just know this scene got number one and I can't really say I disagree with it because it is an iconic scene on Chris Soul season of The Bachelor even to bring this back to the bachelor franchise if you remember when he was back home in Iowa they had him do this because Robert Mills the executive producer is a huge 80s movies buff and he said he always wanted to include that in so yeah holding the boom box up from what say anything right that's that was in the top five I know that or maybe was that in the was it say anything in the 90s or was it 80s I think it was that might have been late early 90s but either way that is obviously an iconic scene as well but might have been 80s either way um that's this week's t-shirt did you see Thursday's t-shirt when I was interviewing Kate Casey one of my one of my favorite lines from Dumb and Dumber going to hang by the bar put out the vibe uh that was uh that was Thursday's t-shirt I don't know what's coming this week on this Thursday's all right I wanted to uh get into uh tomorrow night episode 6 Jen and the men are in Seattle we are at the episode before Hometown dates kind of funny to think we're already there but also kind of yeah it's just been there every Monday night and it's just kind of gone but we are at the episode before hometowns I do not know if tomorrow's episode ends with a rose ceremony and we see her four men of Devin and Marcus and Jonathan and Jeremy are the ones being Advanced couple times they've done this episode before hometowns where they do a continuation and then the beginning of next week's episode they end it and then they start in hometowns I don't know how they're doing it but we all know that in tomorrow night's episode or in Seattle Grant goes home Sam goes home and Spencer goes home Sam goes home I believe before the rose ceremony just based off of the trailers and her going to his room at some point during the episode so we've got that um there isn't a whole hell of a lot to talk about when it comes to that particular uh episode tomorrow night cuz you kind of know what's happening Marcus gets The Wizard of Oz wicked one-on-one date whatever you want to call it it might be a promotion for the wicked movie which I saw in the trailers this weekend when I was at the movies wicked's coming out in November so maybe there's going to be a tie in and maybe they'll consider it the wicked date but this was one of the dates that was spoiled in real time it was the first date of the Season actually that was spoiled in real time if you were following Along on my Twitter account that day back in April of Marcus and Jen walking the yellow big road and all that stuff and then there's a group date at a radio station that Jason and Molly are a part of I tried to get Molly on the podcast tonight because she had some thoughts on it ends with us she put it on her Instagram story but unfortunately she was busy tonight she has company and she couldn't do it and then the other one-on-one date is Jeremy and that's your episode so uh moving on to Big Brother there's going to be spoilers talked about right now because I'm all caught up and I've seen who won hooh I've seen what happens with Noms so if you don't want to know what happens in the next uh you know what 55 minutes when Big Brother starts then I would tune away for the time being okay so I'll give you three seconds 3 two one somehow some way we've had four HOH competitions now this season and Angela has won two of them she wins tonight's HOH I don't know how it wasn't anything physical it was one of those I think questions about your group you know where they have everyone sitting at the side and two people go up and ask and have to answer a trivia question and whoever wins then chooses the next two people to battle and then until they get down to one well Angela wins I think it was one of those and she has now won her second HOH in four in four HOH battles so she's safe for the week however we know this is the last week that Quinn can use his upgrade power and he does so essentially the only Power that Angela has this week is just well she has no power she just can't be evicted because she's HOH but she could have put people up I guess yes but Quinn would have just used his power and changed it so I think it was just accepted that hey let's just let Quinn use the Noms there's no point for Angela to put up Noms if Quinn can just take them down and put up his own so he puts up MJ Tucker and Cedric he puts up Cedric because I think Cedric volunteers himself and Cedric basically says I want someone to beat Tucker in power veto well you won't be seeing it till Wednesday but for Christ's sakes Tucker won another power of veto so he's won the last two BBA Arenas and he's won the last two power of vetos now we don't know until tomorrow if he's going to use it on himself or use it on somebody else my guess is after his mistake last week he's going to use it on himself which means that uh Quinn since he's control with his upgrade puts up a replacement Nom and and from everything I've read he's going to put up rabina and he wants rabina to be the target I don't know where the votes are headed but that's most likely what is going to happen Tucker will use the power of veto on himself and Quinn will put up rabina here's my thing about the whole Tucker dominating challenges I don't know why Quinn puts him up because unless they decide and ch 's episode we're going to get Taylor and Cody and somebody else a former winner I guess introducing a new rule unless they decide to get rid of the bbai Arena giving tuck putting Tucker up because you don't like him as a head of house as a as a nomination is giving him two chances every week to win either power of veto or BB Arena just judging on what he's done in the first month of the show the chances of him going 0 for two are slim and none really so if I'm the head of household and I want Tucker gone I don't put him up for nomination and I just hope that whoever wins power of veto takes thems down and then you put Tucker up so he h so he only has the BBA Arena why are we giving him if everybody wants him gone in the house America loves him I don't know why but why are we giving him two chances to take himself off every single week just give him one don't put him up for Nom and hope that power of veto someone that in in your alliance wins it so they can take themselves down and then the head of household can put Tucker up and yeah he still has one chance now I have a feeling BBA arena is going to be gone after this week I just can't imagine they're keeping that around for another for 12 weeks or eight weeks just it doesn't seem right so we'll have to see but if BBA Arena sticks around then you have to do that if you want to get rid of Tucker at the head of household you cannot put him up for elimination because now you give him a chance to win power of veto and even if he doesn't win that BBA Arena he's won the last four so I don't see what that's doing it's not saying he's not going to win BBI Ena but just give him one chance instead of two so those are my thoughts but looks to be uh you you will see tonight Angela winning HOH and then Quinn using his upgrade power putting up Cedric and MJ and Tucker and then you'll see on Wednesday Tucker won power of veto he will I'm assuming take himself off and Quinn will replace him with rabina who she's having a showmance with even though they don't think they've officially kissed they just flirt all day long and hug each other and she tempts him with kissing him kind of like it ends with us as we move into that all right I want to talk about this before our first guest comes on there will be spoilers talked about in this and I felt this for me this was kind of a homework assignment for me because I'm very well aware of it ends with us but I've never read the book I knew nothing about it other than I knew there was domestic violence involved so there will be some trigger points talking about this in this in this uh live stream just so you're warned that's the only thing I knew I didn't know any of the people's names I knew that Blake Lively was in it I knew that a guy named Justin baldani was not only in it but he is the director of the movie and I never saw Jane I had to go Google him I had to Wikipedia him I was like has he been in anything that I've seen his biggest role is on Jane the Virgin which I never watched so I had never even seen this guy before as for um the guy who plays Atlas I'm totally blanking on his name you saw him in the picture that I use for my thumbnail I'm totally blanking on his name but I had never seen anything that he's in he his biggest role is going on right now he's in 1923 which is the prequel to Yellowstone don't watch that either so I didn't know who either of the guys were but I knew that um this was about a woman in an abusive relationship so I went in that's all I knew did not read the book am still not going to read the book but I felt like this is a very pop culture movie this is going to be probably the biggest movie of the weekend and I wanted to watch it and I wanted to see what all the hype was about because if I'm not mistaken Colleen Hoover wrote this book in 2016 I don't know when it took off was this one of those things that in 2016 and I'll probably ask my guests this because they know more about it than I do terms of the book is this a book that took off like was she New York Times bestseller right from the get-go or did it take a while for this to catch on like did Oprah put it in her book club three or four years after it was released and all of a sudden it took off and it was obviously once it took off they said oh we gotta make this into a movie so there's that but I saw the movie knowing the only thing about it was it was about a woman who was in a abusive relationship and my thoughts on the movie are I thought it was excellent I really really liked it and that's not any sort of bias towards Blake Lively because she's gorgeous and she's in my top five I thought she was phenomenal and I don't say that a lot a about a lot of acting that I see in movies I don't sit there and dissect it too much what's interesting to me is after I watched the movie is when I went online and I had saved a couple articles of what's different in it ends with us between the movie and the book and I saved those until I wanted to see the movie first I didn't want to go into the movie having read those I wanted to see the movie first so I read that after the fact I read the Wikipedia plot for the book after I watch the movie I already read the plot for it starts with us which is the sequel to it ends with us I probably won't watch or I probably won't go read or even do audiobook of either movie I I or either book I just I don't feel the need to I feel like I have an idea of what happens and for me I just don't have the time to read uh I'm not much of a book reader be honest with you um I'm I don't read books I don't um unless they're about sports wrestling or gambling really the only only books I'll read about or you know what I also read books about television uh anything in media related so I will do that um so I'm I'm waiting we're GNA get our first guest I told them to uh sign in around 7:15 so hopefully they sign in soon and we'll bring them up and I wanted to uh and I wanted to discuss it with with them and then we have someone coming on at 7:30 this is local time so because the movie is very and you know the other thing I did after I got back from watching the movie was I wanted to read the reviews because I wanted to see what critics think of it and I'm very frustrated by movie critics in fact I can't stand them because because I just think when you when you really break it down a movie critic I understand it's their job to critique movies but frankly I don't care what they think about a movie it's not going to stop me from seeing it if they give it a bad review maybe a lot of you put a lot of stock into what other people think of a movie but for me let me see the movie and then I'll determine if I like it or not not you telling me whether I should or shouldn't like a movie I've just always been that way I don't care what critics think so after I saw it I wanted to see what the critics were saying and every review that I read was negative they didn't destroy the movie they didn't give it a one out of 10 or a two out of 10 they were just getting into the Weeds about the the settings and the jux to position I don't even know if they said ju position but you know what I'm saying how critics have to go to that angle when they look at a movie where it's just like look I sat down and I watched the movie for however long it was an hour and 45 minutes 2 hours and I sat there and I was like okay I enjoyed it I thought it was a very very well done movie was it uncomfortable absolutely was it intense absolutely the one thing that the critics seem to have an issue with was the promotion of the movie and and because this is a movie about domestic violence they kind of are saying that I I I I honestly didn't really understand the criticism these people are obviously they have to promote the movie they're doing red carpets about it they're smiling on the red carpets they're with their significant others and somehow the critics took that as they are glorifying or romanticizing it ends with us and I didn't see it that way I mean what are you supposed to do yes it's a very heavy topic but because it's a heavy topic are you not supposed to promote it that's where I'm having a disconnect with the critics other than them telling me Oh it wasn't really that good and this character wasn't deep and all this I thought it was really good thought it was really well handled and it for something as as heavy as a topic as this was again I I don't understand I I don't I don't really understand where the critics are coming from with this I really don't it didn't seem to be as bad as they made it out to be now one of the the other things that I think anybody that's been following this you've watched the movie read the book and you're in the Weeds on everything going on is you know that there's a lot of offscreen drama happening dumois is posting about it people.com has a whole article on it like what is happening is there a rift between Blake Lively who is an executive producer on the movie and Justin baldon who plays riy in the movie is also the director of the movie is there a rift Blake and Colleen Hoover the author of the book do not follow Justin anymore Justin didn't appear at the New York screening he's the director of the movie and he didn't even appear at the New York screening wasn't there to introduce the movie at the New York screening they're not taking pictures together on the red carpet it's Blake with Ryan and Colleen with her mother and why am I blanking on atlas's uh actor name either way it's him and his wife on the red carpet and nobody it's not like they're not taking any group photos together so everybody seems to think that there is a rift happening it's all over all over the entertainment sites are talking about what is going on and why is there a rift and everything that you hear is all sources say insiders tell us so we don't really know what's true but what the sources are saying is that apparently Justin baldon was difficult to work with as the Director that's what we're hearing now he's had nothing but good things to say when he's been asked about the movie even though he doesn't do like I said he's not doing anything in collaboration with Blake and Ryan and other people but um to hear that I'm not going to sit here and say it's true or it's not I have no idea but that's the Scuttle butt and that's the drama now there are other people that are saying this drama is getting people even more interested in the movie because is this a stunt for publicity do do they want people to think that Blake and Justin don't get along off camera which makes them want to go see the movie even more I mean I guess it's a possibility I don't see it that way but I guess anything is possible but it does seem weird that Blake Lively Colleen Hoover the author of the book and the guy that plays Atlas all have unfollowed Justin on Instagram how much do we put into unfollows on Instagram I don't know but that does seem weird it does seem weird that the director of the movie was not at the New York Premiere screening of the movie where he could introduce it it was his movie he directed it he not there rumors about he was sick okay but coupled with everything else it really does seem like there's something going on but what I have no idea and I'm curious to what other others uh think I don't know why the person who said they were going to sign in at 8:15 um let me check let me check man it's too late I it's not necessarily too late now but I wish they would have signed in when they said they were going to because we have someone coming on at 7:30 in about 7 minutes so let me just look at some of your questions or any sort of comments that we have here and we yes Brandon scleaner I is that you pronounce his name Brandon sleer sleer he plays Atlas in the movie and um it was just like again this isn't any bias towards Blake Lively but I think her performance is so good in this movie for such a heavy topic that couldn't have been easy to do I can't imagine anybody in that role would be easy to act that out so let me um let me bring this one up had to have been a disagreements about the script that got overruled by the producer Blake Lively well I mean I guess that's possible but Justin's a director so wouldn't a director overrule the EP on the the movie and there were some things in the script that apparently was put in there by Ryan Reynolds the rooftop scene apparently was written by Ryan Reynolds and the screenwriter for the movie didn't know that until Blake said it in an interview so that is a little bit odd why is Ryan Reynolds writing scenes for movies that he's not in nor has Credit in but then again in my eyes Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively can't do anything wrong so no I I'm kidding but I did want I did want to play this clip and this is from um Pop Pop Culture Instagram account that took it from a Tik Tok account and this is a one minute clip of Blake Lively talking about her role in the movie and the heaviness of it and working with Justin so let's uh let me play this clip for you e okay you guys are saying that there's no sound not sure why there's no sound on this so unfortunately sorry about that I don't know why there's no sound there should have been sound unless um let me see if I bring it up and go here whoops hold on why wouldn't there be sound on this the sound thing is fully up so yeah I don't know sorry about that anyway she basically they asked her about Justin and she kind of avoided the question and just went into talking about how there is a little bit more depth here and you understand why because we're dealing with domestic violence like look as an open book like I've never been in a relationship that had any domestic violence in it but we know that people that are in relationships like that or have been in the past we know it's just not like it happens one time and everybody leaves clearly we know that people stay in relationships that are unhealthy even abusive ones and what she's saying In that clip is you see why her character Lily stays with riyle played by Justin like the movie explains or it gives you an idea even though you as a viewer are watching it thinking my gosh why doesn't she leave him why doesn't she get it now the way they also show the abuse in the movie is also you know for me and this is this is going to be a spoiler about the movie there are basically there's basically three instances that um of abuse in the movie but the first two instances they cut away from the actual abuse so me as someone who's never read the book but knew this was about abuse I said to myself in the theater I'm thinking wait he didn't really do anything or it could be interpreted this way but it wasn't until we got to the third abuse where Blake Lily had the visions that played out on screen and they showed you exactly what happened so I thought that was a very interesting way to do it so I want to bring on somebody right now that answered the call that wanted to be a guest on this particular live stream her name is kimry kimry how are you I'm good Steve how are you good and you are somebody that responded and said you wanted to come on and and talk about it ends with us and you are somebody that has read the book and seen the movie correct yeah I saw it today actually okay so I wanted to initially get your thoughts on on not necessarily did you like the book better because I I know you probably did just because most people do there's just more that can be covered in a book than in a two-hour movie but sure I want to give your I want your overall thoughts on what you thought of the movie in relation to the book well um I took some notes actually because that's just who I am as a person and I was I was chatting with a girlfriend of mine from high school and we had a book club together so when we read this book A couple of years ago you know we kind of um discussed the things that we liked about it and you know what were different you know between the book and the movie but for me um after having kids I have like the memory of a goldfish so it's good for me to not be able to remember exactly everything the way that it was so that I'm not super you know critiquing everything um can I can I just step step in real quick the book was released in 2016 and I asked this at the beginning of the of the live stream because I don't know the answer was this one of these things it went New York Times bestseller right off the bat or did it take a couple years and Oprah put it on her book list like why did this book take off and what was the reasoning behind it do you know I think it was a covid thing oh okay like people found it during covid and then started talking about it on Tik Tok and then it like exploded I think is what I remember so it wasn't announced it was going to be a movie until it exploded in 2020 roughly yeah well and she has like other have you read any calling calling Neer books okay you're not I know she has other ones yeah I know has other ones that are New York Times bestsellers but I've never okay yeah well and like Varity is probably her biggest book that she has which everyone has been yelling at her for like years now to make that one into a movie but then this one um I'm not sure why was chosen before that um and I think it may have been because of Justin baldon I think that he kind of spearheaded this whole thing into making it into you know what it was and I definitely want to talk to you about that and your thoughts about um all the drama that's going on but the between the book and the movie are minor I mean like you said they can't really fit everything into a two-hour movie but there were a couple of things that I would have liked to have seen um I don't know if we're really getting into spoilers here or not yeah no I said we will discuss the spoilers and we will discuss because after the movie is when I I had saved a couple articles that said the differences between the book in the movie but I didn't read those until after I saw the movie and I I guess like you said it seemed minor not because the main point of the movie was not taken out of the main point of the book was not taken out of the movie there were things that were changed but to me having not read the book it didn't seem like H if you read the book you were gonna be so disappointed I didn't yeah you know the change of the name of his restaurant okay big deal not a big deal um I I I guessed I think one of the things was the ages of them in the book I think Lily is 23 and Riley is about 30 and this one they were older and Justin said I read an interview with him where Justin said I didn't want this to be about a 23y old domestic violence Survivor I wanted it to be more adult I'm fine with that so I'm fine with the ages um what was the other thing I liked how she mentioned that kind of about whenever she asked him um like are you happy she mentioned the fact that you know as women we have like a biological you know time clock and you know the pressure was kind of put on the relationship with his sister having just had the baby and everything I liked that so it kind of brought it around to where it made more sense that they were older um I also like there during the photo like all of the photos that they posted during the filming of her outfits and everybody was talking about how crazy she looked I really didn't feel like I would have noticed that as much if they hadn't have talked about it um of course she's a style icon and like we love everything that she wears but this time I mean it did look a little bit quirky I I'll say that but I I don't think I would have cared that much before but I definitely paid more attention to it just because it was something in the back of my mind if that makes sense yeah her outfits were not the most flattering but I was like that didn't take away from the movie for me no I think one of the biggest things that I read that was obviously having not read the book and you read the book you'll know this Ellen degenerous plays a big role in the book and it's just not in the movie very much they do make a reference to it when young Lily and young Atlas are on the couch watching an Ellen degenerous episode but again something totally understandable because I read from Colleen Hoover and the screenwriter they said look ultimately this movie isn't about Ellen and we just couldn't when you have a two-hour movie you can't put the time that we can into a book about how her journal entries and even after the first abuse uh from riyle played a major role in you know her coming forward and talking about it they just couldn't focus on that in a movie so again something that while it was big in the book I don't think It ultimately affected the outcome of the movie no the outcome no um I did enjoyment of it I don't know no but it was it was a kind of a big deal in the book so it it was something that you were kind of waiting for them to discuss if that makes sense not necessarily that it really um you know interfered with how the story was told but it was just like oh I was waiting for that to happen a couple other things that I wrote down um yeah the time that she spent at his house whenever at atlas's house whenever um you know the abuse had happened and and she was kind of going to make a run for it during in the book she stayed there a really long time I can't remember exactly how long it was but I want to say around like two weeks or something in the movie they kind of fast forwarded a lot of things to make it make sense like time passed really quickly um and while he was while she was staying at the house she made really good friends with a lot of his employees and people that he worked with at the restaurant and kind of started to realize and understand that like oh there is life outside of like my Niche and my network and like I can make other friends I can start over it's not over for me at this time and I I kind of missed out on that a little bit um and then let me see what else I wrote down um what about what about this one this is what I read was a difference in the book after the first abuse in the movie it was a different meal again it was just I think in the book it was casserole this one it was something else in the book she tells him after the first physical contact you do that again and I'm leaving you in the movie she didn't say that we don't hear her say I'm leaving you if you do this to me again again something different but we still got the picture of what was happening this was a woman who was abused and did not want to leave him for reasons that many women who have been abused we know everyone just doesn't leave after the first time I mean we just know it doesn't I don't know anybody personally that's been involved in a domestic violence relationship but I just having read stories and you know on the internet we just know it happens so um sure what about that just yet of curiosity yeah I I mean I did notice that I kind of felt like in the book they really did a good job kind of letting you painting the picture of what was happening but not letting you know to what extent it was getting to um so that you kind of question yourself a bit while reading it like maybe it's not as bad I'm not saying that any situation is okay but you kind of weren't sure about what level it was getting to and so I'm wondering if maybe during uh the movie they kind of wanted to paint that same picture in a way yeah I think the way I I kind of liked the way they did it because it had me questioning saying sure well wait did he even hit her like wait a second I thought this I thought he abused her right and the scene Cuts like right when the um you know he pulls the thing out of the the oven and then right before right before on the on the staircase we see them scuffling and then the next scene is her in bed recovering with you know a crack in her head um yeah so I for me I was just like wait I I know it is but are they are they making it a fine line to where you have to determine how bad it is it wasn't until the attempted rape scene and then the subsequent hospital visit where they go back and they show us what happened and I was like oh got it and I thought it was just an interesting way uh that they show there's a lot of internal dialogue in the movie or the book um where she's like kind of wrestling with her self and trying to um talk about you know this happened and then no trying to paint it this wayway and changing things around a bit and then kind of like gaslighting herself a bit um so I feel like maybe that's probably difficult to do um in a in a movie so that was kind of my thought and I thought they did a good job with that I wasn't like bothered that they changed that too much I think that was kind of necessary to the story I did write down though that a big thing that I missed out on was um the husband of his sister I can't remember his name now yeah um the guy I know it's Hassan Minaj he's comedian but yeah he he was so sweet well in the book he had kind of a big hero moment and I was waiting for that to happen too after she has the baby um and I was like wondering is this happen the second one or the first one and I talked with my girlfriend I was like I'm pretty sure it's the first one um they they have the baby and she goes uh to their house remember their neighbors and the the baby girls play together quite often and Riley comes over to visit the baby and the husband makes it clear to Riley that like you better behave yourself if you're going to be in our home and has this big moment of like he chose a side and he chose the right one and I just loved so much that everyone was so supportive of her and it really did a good job in the movie showing that his sister was on her team but there were more people in the book for sure well I after I got home I read you know reviews I read the plot line for the book on Wikipedia and I read the plotline for it starts with us that sounds like from its it starts with us it could be it could I I read them back to back okay it sounds like I think I think that scene might have been where the where the husband of the sister plays a big role that sounds like because I know and it starts with us that's where the first major um I I believe the the the first abuse in that book happens she gets home from her date with Atlas Alyssa her friend is watching Emerson that sounds right yeah and he and I guess and then he's there and when he comes home he realizes that Emerson's middle name is Dory which stemmed from uh Finding Nemo which was Ellen degenerous who played Dory and all this stuff and that's where he flips out he's like that's why you named our daughter middle name Dory because you wanted to remind you of Atlas you know and well the timeline was a little bit different because um in the book I think that she's strolling the baby and it's a smaller baby like one that would be in a carriage like laying on its back yeah and um and that's when he when Atlas sees her and he says I saw you I did but that's the time that I think that he comes up to her I can't remember exactly but that baby is too old in the movie from that I watch today to have fit the timeline of of the book so I think they may jumped around a bit that's why it was confusing yeah okay one of the biggest criticisms that it has gotten is it romanticizes domestic violence I didn't see that at all I don't see how this romanticized it because I'm guessing I'm guessing 90% of the people that went and saw this movie either read the book or were very well aware what they were going to see even me who had never read the book The only thing I knew about the it ends with a story was it was about an abusive relationship now was it uncomfortable to watch that scene yeah was it intense yes but I thought they handled it about as well as you can for a movie that's dealing with domestic violence I don't think they were I think people are complaining that Justin baldon was they're relying on his looks too much and he was so good-looking and that's why she stayed with him I was like no I don't I didn't look at it that way I I thought the scene was handled as well as it could be handled for such a difficult scene you know an attempted rape scene in a movie is not going to be fun for anybody involved and her reactions afterwards where she literally asked for a divorce as she's in the hospital and just delivered her baby like I didn't think they romanticized domestic violence at all did you no I didn't think so and in the book it I felt the same way I do think that like you were talking about how handsome he is it was interesting to me and in our group chat me and my my girlfriends we were talking about how he is so handsome but when the abuse starts to happen he starts to look different there's just something about him that looks dark and disheveled and not put together and I think that was obviously purposeful and I think he did a great job um playing the character but that's part of it that's the way that it was written he's supposed to be like handsome and have all of the things and he's checking all of her boxes and because of that it's confusing to her why he could also do this because how can you be both of those things at the same time that's intentional yeah and I'm guessing anybody who's been in a abusive relationship and watch this movie it's probably one triggering for them but two I think like the way they told this story in the way that she did end up standing up for herself and leaving her abuser I mean I I just don't think how people could I don't understand how people can take this out of this and come out of this as some sort of negative for domestic violence survivors you know I thought this was if anything it was a woman empowerment movie now one of the criticisms that I did read was the promotion of the movie as chick flick romcom girls night out like if they're promoting it like that then no it's not that and I hope people don't go into it thinking this is a chick flick or a romcom but like I said I'm guessing 90% of the people that went to see this movie already knew what they were getting into well going into that theater so I I I haven't watched enough red carpet stuff it seems like they're addressing every issue on the red carpet um I I don't know have you noticed anything in the promotion of this movie that they're promoting promoting it as as fluff Girls Night Out movie chick flick romcom I have you seen any of that well I have not but my argument to anybody that would that would bring that up would be the whole barbon Heimer situation because everyone was talking about how funny it was that they were competing against each other in the box office and making light of it on the red carpet and they were making jokes about each other and all this things and um I didn't see Oppenheimer but I'm pretty sure it's about like nuclear warfare it's a pretty serious movie so I don't feel like if they can make light of things um then then what's the difference and I don't necessarily feel like anyone's making light of the situation but you know every there's a thing about Blake Lively that like all of us girls love we just we love her we love her face we love the way that she dresses we want to be her so anytime she does something we just want to watch every inch of it and there's nothing wrong with like dissecting that in a positive way and not taking away from you know the seriousness of the character how did you think that she was in the movie did you love her performance like I did I thought she was excellent excellent I I mean I've always thought that she doesn't get the credit that she deserves I thought age of Adeline was one of the best movies I've ever seen it was such a beautiful movie um and I I don't think that she's ever really been like Oscar contention type of actress for some reason but I feel like she really proved herself in this one and I mean this is this was the kind of film that you I forgot that that's who she was and that's when you know like I've seen people say that if you can forget that that is Denzel Washington on screen that's how you know that that's a good actor and you feel that way anytime you see Denzel in a film like I I forget that that's who that is and I felt that way with Blake today so I thought that she did amazing Justin baldoni was easier for me because I really haven't seen a ton of his stuff I seen I had seen any of his stuff I had Wikipedia him I didn't know I mean his biggest thing was he had a main role on Jane the Virgin that TV show never watched it so I had no idea I didn't even know who Atlas was and never had seen him before my husband said he liked him in 1923 yeah what I realized he was in yeah and I was like okay and so I here's my question about the book in the movie they use flashbacks to let us see young Lily and young Atlas how does it work in the book does it is it a timeline piece where it's just young Atlas young Lily and then all the sudden it skips ahead and the last half of the book is them as adults and present day and or how do they do it in the book I don't remember exactly how it works but I do know that they like reference a lot of things that happened in the childhood pretty often and so I think it skips back and forth like one chapter's this one chapter's that I can't remember though it's been a few years since I read the book but I do remember it being like when something would happen in the present day it would flash back to how it kind of tied back to what happened back then did you read it or did you audiobook it I actually read that one which is surprising for me because I'm an audiobook type of gal but my mom gave me the book so I read it okay so when you do when you when it is flashing back does it does it have like a a clear Mark of or you just you're reading it you're realizing okay now she's flashing back does it start on a new page okay I'm just curious I'm not gonna read the book I just I it's it's too long even if I did audiobook I heard the audiobooks nine hours I just I don't have the time and I feel like I know the main part and now that I've seen the movie it's just like look I get it I don't need to go back and read it because even if I think the book was probably better and you know like any book it's just you have way much you have so much more time to tell a story in a book than you do in a two-hour movie so I get it but all the things that I did read the changes you know instead of bibs you know instead of bibs better in Boston the you know the the restaurant is called root which still made sense you know it's not like they just randomly made up some name it so I get that um something I talked about before you hopped on the offscreen drama that's happening right now in the promotion of this movie that Colleen and Brandon and Blake do not follow Justin anymore on Instagram and everybody body is talking about it is there a rift is something going on the things that we do hear Justin was difficult to work with on set there were clashes and all this it does seem weird that those three are not following him on Instagram it does seem weird that the director of the movie did not show up to the New York screening and introduce it to people not that you might have any insight but what are your thoughts on the offscreen drama that is happening well I will say that I think it's feeding some of us from the drama that happened last year with Harry Styles and spting on that other guy and all of that it feels very similar to yeah that's right forgot about that that was so fun and when we were speculating about all of those things so it's kind of um feel similar to that a bit but I mean I don't know it's hard to tell that kind of makes me feel like there was some sort of argument happening about you know how serious the content is and you know wanting to take things seriously and maybe someone else had a different idea and I think it was his first time directing so maybe um he got a little big for his Brides I don't know I I did see some um footage of when they were acting and it looked like Blake was trying to like correct his body language before they kind of embraced for like a hug or a kiss or something but you never know that could just be regular stuff or like you're maybe let's get we're comfortable this way or something and and they just run with everything who knows I I do feel like there's some drama happening though for sure it seems a bit odd yeah I just something is happening now Blake and Colleen are you know singing the Praises of the movie and they even said if you read the book we think the movie you will like the movie and if you've only seen the movie we think if you go back and read the book you'll you'll like the book as well like it's yeah it's all there they stuck true to it as much as they could um I know you said you don't remember all the major details of the book but the one difference that I read in one of the articles about the ending I thought I read that the book's ending made it pretty clear that Atlas and Lily were now going to attempt to date whereas the movie left it a little more open-ended and they had just run into each other in Boston he asked her if she's single or maybe she asked him are you single and and he said yeah but seemed like the movie left it a little more open-ended than the book or do you not remember how the book left it no that's that's definitely true and I think the reason because of that is that um this book like I said exploded during Co people found it kind of later and then they started asking her to make a sequel to it and so she started the second book because there was so much you know Fanfare around it so the first book was really tied up really well like it could have just been the end and then the second one was written so now I think that you know they're obviously going to make a second movie it's been such a hit um that they left it a little bit more open-ended than the book because I felt it felt final to me the book but I was excited to read I was excited to read the second one um was the second one as good as the first book I read them like in in conjunction with each other at the same exact time I I finished one and then started the other one so I it's almost like one long it's almost like one long book yeah yes to me I didn't really feel any type of way I I would have been sad if I had to wait for the second book to come out you know knowing it was coming and it wasn't ready for read um because I just enjoyed the story so much but I didn't necessarily feel like the story wasn't told all the way through is there anything that was in the movie that wasn't in the book did they like add any scenes or just make you know obviously things were changed but I'm talking about something that was in the movie that was like that wasn't anywhere in the book they just threw that in there no I don't remember that um I was really just trying to think of what was missing um I do remember the birthday party from um Alyssa's birthday party being kind of a bigger deal than it was um so that was something but as far as like other things that you know were left added in I don't really remember that at all though how did you think when you when you saw when you knew what was coming with the third abuse the attempted rape how did you think they did in handling it um were you squirming in your chair watching it like how did you feel that whole scene played out oh my girlfriend's texting me hi Kendra you're watching she says the the magazine article was not in the book oh it wasn't okay no yes and she something was in the book about it where she where he went to that that caused that third abuse he found he found out about um the tattoo on her neck because of um he was looking through all of her um oh stories and and things that she had written down her letters to Ellen so she he he went into her journal basically he looked at her Jour he found her Jal she had like a box of like keepsakes that had happened with between her and Atlas and in there is where he had you know written he didn't write what what in the interview that was in that magazine it was in notes so this one is just hey saw this in the magazine and obviously that led to the third abuse again how did you feel about watching it and how it was handled I mean me personally I mean my friends kind of watched the movie before I did and I even asked how much are they showing because as a woman that I mean I have not been affected by domestic violence but I'm still it's still I mean I'm still a woman and and that sort of stuff is something that we fear every day like I I get that because of that I was like I don't I don't really want to see a ton how much is really shown and she said you know enough to make you understand but not enough to where you like Have You Ever Seen The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo that was a movie that I got up and left like I'm not no thank you I don't want to see anything like that so on a scale of those two I think they did a great job kind of and that's how the book was it really um painted the picture for you without going into a ton of detail because you know we're not really here yeah now I'm actually curious like I don't want to read the whole book but I kind of want to fast forward to that scene because I want to see how she writes that because it's clearly it's clearly different to watch something like that on screen than to read it in a book because you can only go so I don't know I mean maybe maybe it was written better than it was shown but as you said you don't you don't feel like you understood what was happening is that what you mean no I understood it I just want to see how a scene like that is written like now that I've seen it play out with my eyes I want to see how a writer writes an rap scene yeah and how you paint the picture of yeah this scene of him taking advantage of her but when I watched it yeah it was just you know just as a man and like I said I've never been involved in any sort of domestic violence uh relationship either but as a man it was uncomfortable to watch that um because I know it happens and I'm just but it was right there where it didn't cross a line where I was like okay that was that was too much it didn't need to go there um but it was good enough to where it got its point across yeah and I think that's part of them trying to be respectful towards the audience you know like whenever you show too much you might alienate some girls who have really been through that sort of Stu and think I don't want to see that I'm I'm I'm comfortable watching this film but it needs to be enough that I'm comfortable with and and I don't want to speak for those girls at all but I feel like you know this kind of gives them an opportunity to be a part of the movie too without feeling overly triggered by something that is you know too much and I think that anybody that's been in a relationship like that if they're choosing to go see this movie they know what they're getting into I can't imagine anybody that's been in a DV situation that went and saw this movie had no idea what they were about to go see because then I think they could have easily walked out and just been like sure wait a second this is what's happening I'm done I don't want to see this but anybody that's been involved in one I I'm guessing knew what they were going into when they saw this movie and knew that there would be a scene that they would have to that would probably trigger them and you know a couple scenes I have a question for you so whenever you watched the trailer did you kind of understand that that was what the movie was going to be about because I had seen some people saying if you didn't read the book and you watch the trailer maybe you didn't know that that's what it was going to be and it's hard for me to picture because I had read the book so all I knew about this movie was she was in Blake Lively and Justin baldon were in a domestic violence relationship that's did you learn that from the trailer or from Reading articles I think reading articles uh I didn't I don't even know if I actually I'm sure I saw the trailer I'm sure it was on hell it might have aired during an episode of the bachette I don't know but it might have been I can't even remember honestly if I saw the trailer I'm sure I did but I might not have just been dissecting it and paying such close attention to it I think I just it might have been on hey Blake Lively's in a movie obviously I'm gonna perk up a little bit and watch it but I was well aware of that but I didn't know anything about her name her infatuation with flowers and opening a flower shop and who Atlas was and all all I for me going in like I said I knew there was domestic violence involved but I also had no idea about a an ear love named Atlas I just thought it was about does a woman stay in a relationship that she has domestic violence involved in it and it's about a woman in an abusive relationship that either decides to stay or decides to get out I assumed as I as I was watching the movie of course you know that DV scene happens at least over an hour into the movie it wasn't a surprise to me that she left him and eventually is going to end up with Atlas like that wasn't some sort of major thing that I was like whoa that's a left turn I thought no obviously I knew that she was going to leave him and eventually end up with Atlas but that's not the movie it's about getting to that point because she didn't leave him after abuse number one she didn't leave him after abuse number two it took that and then it took the care of Atlas and then her realizing okay you know I understand it now so yeah it was it was really good took a lot of conversations with her mom and a lot of healing with her mom in the book and um a lot of her having to let go of some shame of her thinking like how could I let this thing happen to me that's that I was so against and and she was really ashamed of it and didn't talk about it for a long time but once she finally opened up and I think a lot of it was his sister like I don't think that she really even expected that from her and when she got it it was like green light okay we can do this you know I don't have to lose you too because after the first two instances the burning in the oven and the push down the stairs we never saw Lily talk to anybody about it no but in the book I'm assuming she did she does she bring it up to that's I guess that's a question does she talk about it with any you said it sounds like she spoke to her mother about it or did she position it as oh it was an accident or oh it wasn't a big deal no she doesn't talk about it until she kind of is forced to with Atlas is the first person that knows but whenever people it's similar to the to the movie and and when that happens she she feels the support behind it and and feels encouraged and you know strengthened to leave and like when her mom tells her you know it was harder to leave than it was to stay I feel like that was um you know the courage that she needed to to go I had one final thing that I wanted to ask you about the um The Bachelorette no uh about the movie uh God I should have written it down it was you had made a point I was like I want to ask her about that so we got we talked about the ending we talked about the abuse we talked about the scene we talked about the sister or the best friend ah I guess I guess one I guess one thing as I try and rack my brain about this thing that I wanted to ask you was you know we did talk about the the romanticizing aspect of and that seems be the biggest criticism but again it's like I don't know how you promote a movie that's about they have to do red carpet for it it's not like they're all going to act all bummed on the red carpet about this depressing movie they're telling people and they're being very open about it when they talk about it she gets very deep about the characters and stuff like this but I don't know I I was surprised um I read five reviews and all of them were negative and it wasn't like one out of 10 or two out of 10 stars or anything like that it was just you know for me I don't give a [ __ ] what movie critics say like let me watch my I'll watch the movie and determine if I like it I don't need you telling me whether not I should like a movie or not that seems so ridiculous the idea of a movie critic and I think movie critics especially when it comes to something popular like this something that's big in the pop culture zeit gist Zeitgeist the tendency is to [ __ ] on it and the tendency is to pick it apart because everybody is going in with these oh I can't wait to see it and if a I don't know I just feel like critics do that for movies that are supposed to be popular yeah well it's because no one can let people just like things anymore then there's that yeah no totally agree you know and and sometimes you know like what my grandma used to say don't yuck anybody's yum you know like it's and and there's just certain things that people enjoy and as girls we like calling Hoover and there's nothing wrong with that like I love you to death I listen to your podcast every day but I don't listen to the sports daily I'm sorry but I I don't also you're talking a little bit too slow for me because I listen to you on 1.5 so if you could speed it up that'd be great that's funny I've never listened I never the funny thing is I know it exists I know 1.25 exists I know 1.5 exists I know two times exists I never listen to podcast on faster speed I don't know why and I listen to a lot of podcasts all of them are sports or gambling related but I still I never listened to him like that I don't know why I realized you should and the book would go by faster yeah I guess I could listen to the book on audio and just speed it up and it wouldn't take nine hours take four and a half sure but then I might I feel like I might miss stuff if I if I do that um well that's why I'm going I so gosh I wish I could have remembered this last one I feel like I feel like everything that was covered in the article that I and that I looked at that said the differences between the book like it was the Ellen thing the restaurant name the ending the her te not in the book she tells him you you know you touch me again I'm leaving you wait did we go over that or no yeah yeah we did and that was different but I feel like that was intentional to make you question if it how the abuse was going which is instead I think they did that instead of having to show the internal monologue that she was having um that's the only thing that makes sense there for me was there something when this was first announced going into a movie and Blake Lively had signed on to play Lily I might be mixing this up with another movie but were people saying who had read the book oh I don't see Blake Lively as Lily was there was there a backlash of I no I don't want to see her as Lily I don't it was her age it was her age it was the age yeah okay yeah and then they started talking about her clothes a lot yeah see I had no issue with the age just because I know I didn't read the book and I know Lily is 23 in the book and and riy is 30 in the book I think and then this movie it's 40 and 36 but I did read an interview with Justin bdon who said like I didn't want to do a domestic violence movie about a 23-year-old I wanted to do it as someone who was an adult who had been through more in their life and and whatnot um oh I remembered it yes so apparently the book starts out it opens with the rooftop scene in the movie it opened with her arriving home and the eulogy at her dad's funeral now that's where a lot of Blake Lively mentioned in an interview that Ryan Reynolds wrote the rooftop scene and the screenwriter for the movie said I didn't even know that until Blake said that so I don't know if he wrote the whole thing or just added some input and they ad lib some lines but apparently the rooftop scene it's it's one of the most pivotal things in the book if not the whole movie um what did you think of the rooftop scene from book to movie I don't remember it being um I don't feel like that was the most pivotal part I I don't really kind set up the movie of we we introduced to riyle and yeah and I mean she kind of started thinking about him a ton after that um but really for me the most pivotal part was whenever she put together that um his sister the girl that she had hired was that was her brother because she kind of started to feel like oh is this like serendipitous like is this supposed to happen he keeps showing up you know and then kind of started to paint this fairy tale for herself about who this man is and oh he's a neurosurgeon and he's got his [ __ ] together and he you know he's swept me off my feet and he treats me so good but how could this also be happening at the same time and then the internal monologue goes off and and she starts like wrestling with herself with you know the rest of the story so I mean that's I think subjective but I also did read that you what you said about Ryan Reynolds writing that scene and so I kind of watched it with that eye and it did sound like his humor to me the banter that they had absolutely it did and it made sense when I when I read that I also read that the book spent a little um and obviously it could because of time had more time in the book that she not teases but it took her a lot longer in the book to even kiss riyle whereas in the movie there is some you know there is some playful she keeps him at an arms length and then they finally kiss I believe at Alysa the night of alysa's party but in the book it's a lot longer she has him hold out because she knows that he's just after casual sex and she's just well and in the book it hasn't been that long since she and Atlas kind of parted ways because she's only 23 yeah and and in Atlas what that's why he's still so important to her also I feel like I remember if it's mentioned or not but I do know that she kind of had this thing with him that was like after the military they were G to you know find each other and see how they wanted each other to live life but if it happened to work out and I think that she was kind of thinking that it was around that time so he was um on her mind a lot you know and she really didn't have room for someone else yet I think in the movie I think that maybe that was one thing that surprised me a little bit I feel like we didn't I thought we were going to get a sort of sendoff of and maybe maybe it was possible I was too into my popcorn at one point but I I thought we were gonna get some sort of sendoff of young Lily and young atlas of like you just said her at like the bus station sending him off like we see from a movie from the 1940s of I'll always be here for you or something along those lines it didn't seem like there was any sort of send off it was just we knew he was leaving you know during one of those flashbacks they didn't do one right right I don't remember that but it's likely Kendra if you're still watching text me what happened because I don't remember but I feel like if um that happened it wasn't a huge deal I do remember the part when her dad beat him up and then um the mom got him that was a way bigger deal in the in the book that was really traumatizing for her and in the movie it was a flashback yeah that was a lot of time spent on that and she referenced it going back um often what about now I'm trying to think of what I just saw in the movie yesterday at what point in the movie did they show the dad beating up Atlas when did we see that I think it was around the same time that she and riyle finally started like being intimate with each other it was like at the same time it was showing the back you know flashback of uh like when she came with him is the same time that she kind of um you know gave with him the first time they kissed no like when she had sex with him I think I thought no I think it was way after I thought it was way after that I thought it was not until past the birth of the child because no the the when she was in the hospital maybe it was during the hospital scene because that's when we saw maybe and maybe that's was how the book went the way I'm remembering it yeah no that's what for the movie when did we see when did they show it for the first time because that I didn't know well when when we saw the flashbacks in the movie we just saw her dad beating on her mother on the couch they showed that a few times and we see her witnessing it but then the the atlas beating of him being bloodied and loaded into I I feel like that was later on uh in the movie part of it but yeah I'm sure it was yeah handled in the book a lot earlier well anyway kimry thank you thank you for coming on it was 40 minutes with you how about that you're a 40-minute guest on this live stream I really appreciate you coming on and sharing I just I'm you know I'm sewing the Weeds about this now I've been went like I said I went all watched all the reviews I'm reading all the stuff online about the offscreen drama I'm really in like I said I I read the plot description of it starts with us so I know now I don't think I'm gonna read either book or do an Audi book but I am going to watch the second movie and I'm looking forward to it because I feel like you know this is it's a big topic and and like I said the people that are getting bent out of shape and saying that this you know this movie is romanticizing domestic violence and I'm just here to say like as someone who saw the movie and you who saw the movie I just don't think it is I don't I don't think it's that way at all I don't I am nervous though that the way that this is going and if the Press like if they don't get it together that it's going to push how long the next movie will come out if you know I don't want to film with you I hate you yeah then there's that because if you do a second movie Justin baldoni has to play riy you have to have the same characters come back you can't just replace him and have a new riy it just I if he says I don't want to be part of the second movie for whatever reason then just don't make a second movie just leave it at this you know I just well and I also thought um I don't remember why I thought this now because it's been so long since I saw um them start filming I for some reason at the maybe the girls in the comments can help me remember why but um um I thought the guys should have been switched I think that the description of them um the way that they look was supposed to be opposite of each other and I remember having a big problem with that right when I found out who was casted because I thought riyle should have been Atlas and Atlas should have been riy um and I saw some other people talking about that now too but now it's been so long that didn't bother me at all either who do you think is hotter riy or Atlas like who's like like I I mean they they're both good-looking guys obviously yeah and Riley has about 1% body fat I mean he just is like he not look he does not look real life at all yeah I know he just like literally you could I mean talk he's a beautiful handsome man looks like a Greek you know statue or something but that type of person is just like a little bit um out of nowhere for me Kendra is texting me and saying it's the voice on Atlas that gets him one over for the girls so really voice on Atlas okay yeah interesting yeah I thought they were both like it was too hard to picture him as anything but the monster that he was and that I think that shows that he did a really great job and I know this sounds I know this sounds bad but I'll just say this like and maybe it's just because it was just a great way he played the character but and and he's married he's got kids I'm sure he's a great father I'm sure this isn't part of his life at all but in the movie it was believable to me like yeah he just looked like somebody who would be an Abus did you notice how he mentioned um that someone who looks like him you never see him as a neurosurgeon they're normally playing one on TV did you notice when he said that do you remember him saying that no it was when they were kind of like being flirty with each other he was and they were like about to kiss or something he had mentioned that most of the time people that look like him um you know are just playing like a doctor on like a a soap oper or something and I felt like that was a good line for someone who did know what was coming to kind of like oh this guy really likes himself he's really into himself he really thinks he's really special yeah no he was he can have it all he can do whatever he wants as a and lost you for e e e e e e