>>> HI, EVERYONE. IT'S 4:00 IN NEW YORK AND IT'S FRIDAY. IN THE LAST 90 MINUTES WE WITNESSED A POLITICAL BOMBSHELL IN THE MAKING. FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN LIZ CHENEY, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE AND FACE OF THE REPUBLICAN DYNASTY IN AMERICA WHO EARLIER THIS WEEKEND DORISED VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS HAS GONE EVEN FURTHER. THIS TIME SAYING THAT SHE AND HER FATHER, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY, WILL DO SOMETHING THAT, IF YOU ARE A CASUAL FOLLOWER OF AMERICAN POLITICS MIGHT MEAN HELL HAS FROZEN OVER. DICK CHENEY IS VOTING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT. DICK CHENEY IS VOTING FOR VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS. HERE SHE IS IN CONVERSATION WITH "THE ATLANTIC'S" MARK LEIBOVITZ MAKING THIS NEWS IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. >> DICK CHENEY, A BELOVED FIGURE AMONG DEMOCRATS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. DO YOU -- IF YOU KNOW WHO HE WILL BE SUPPORTING OR WHO HE'LL BE VOTING FOR, DO YOU CARE TO SHARE WITH US WHO HE MIGHT BE VOTING FOR? >> DICK CHENEY WILL BE VOTING FOR KAMALA HARRIS. [ APPLAUSE ] >> WOW. WORDS I NEVER EXPECTED TO HEAR. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE MOMENT THAT WE'RE IN, AND YOU THINK ABOUT HOW SERIOUS THIS MOMENT IS, YOU KNOW, MY DAD BELIEVES AND HE'S SAID PUBLICLY THAT THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN INDIVIDUAL IN OUR COUNTRY WHO IS AS GRAVE A THREAT TO OUR DEMOCRACY AS DONALD TRUMP IS. AND THAT'S -- THAT'S THE MOMENT THAT WE'RE FACING. >> I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ALL THE NEWS LIZ CHENEY MADE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE, BUT I WANT TO STOP HERE. I WORKED FOR DICK AND LIZ CHENEY. WHAT DICK CHENEY JUST DID AND WHAT LIZ JUST ANNOUNCED IS HE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE, MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE ROB PORTMANS AND THE CHRIS CHRISTIES AND THE BILL BARRS TO SUSTAIN THEIR POSITION. BUT SOMEHOW, IN SOME UNIVERSE, KAMALA HARRIS IS WORSE THAN DONALD TRUMP OR WRITING SOMEONE IN OR DOING NOTHING. BUT THE CHENEYS WENT FURTHER. LIZ CHENEY IS ALSO ENDORSING THE U.S. NOMINEE FOR TEXAS, COLLIN ALRED OVER TED CRUZ. THAT'S WHERE WE START TODAY, WITH SOME OF OUR FAVORITE FRIENDS. TIM MILLER IS HERE WITH US, ALSO JOINING US, DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER TO TELL US WHAT THE DEMOCRATS DO WITH ALL OF THIS, CORNEL BELCHER IS HERE, THE HOST OF "POLITICIANS NATION," THE REVEREND AL SHARPTON, AND FORMER TOP PROSECUTOR AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, ANDREW WEISSMANN IS WITH US. TO MILLER, YOUR THOUGHTS. >> WELL, IN SOME WAYS THIS IS A SHOCK, THE DARTH VADER DICK CHENEY VOTING FOR THE DEMOCRATS. IT SHOULD BE A WAKE-UP CALL TO EVERYBODY. IN OTHER WAYS IT'S NOT A SURPRISE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM LIZ CHENEY AND THE BACKBONE FROM THE CHENEYS. DICK CUT AN AD FOR HER IN HER PRIMARY THAT SHE LOST TO A MAGA REPUBLICAN WHEN SHE WAS SACRIFICED AT THE ALTAR OF DONALD TRUMP'S INSURRECTION BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. IN THAT AD HE SAID IN OUR NATION'S 246-YEAR-HISTORY THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S NEVER BEEN A GREATER THREAT THAN DONALD TRUMP. THERE'S NOTHING THAT LIZ WILL DO THAN TO LEAD THE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE DONALD TRUMP IS NEVER NEAR THE OVAL OFFICE AND SHE WILL SUCCEED. I MEAN, THAT'S AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT GETS. THAT IS CLASSIC DICK CHENEY. YOU KNOW, LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM. HE ALWAYS WAS CLEAR-EYED ABOUT WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS THE RIGHT APPROACH. IN THIS CASE DICK CHENEY IS LOOKING AT THIS AND SEEING DONALD TRUMP AS THE GREATEST THREAT IN THE HISTORY OF THE REPUBLIC. I MEAN, THAT IS NOT MINCING WORDS. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID IN THE INTRO. I THINK THIS IS HUGE NEWS. WE SHOULD MENTION THAT NOW THE LAST TWO REPUBLICAN VPs WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR TRUMP. MIKE PENCE IS NEUTRAL, I GUESS. AND DICK CHENEY IS -- SO, DONALD TRUMP'S HOME VP IS NOT VOTING FOR HIM AND THE PREVIOUS VP IS VOTING AGAINST HIM. I THINK THAT'S TELLING. AND SAYING SOMETHING YOU SAID IN THE INTRO, CONDOLEEZZA RICE, AS AN EXAMPLE, WAS ON FOX NEWS EARLIER THIS WEEK TRYING TO DO THIS TWO-STEP WHERE SHE SAID, THERE ARE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE COMING, ISOLATIONISM, PROTECTIONISM, NATIVISM AND POPULISM AND WE NEED TO FIGHT AGAINST THEM. SHE'S ON FOX BUT SHE DOESN'T SAY TRUMP'S NAME. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH THOSE FOUR THREATS? IF YOU THINK THINGS ARE PERILOUS, WHICH WERE HER WORDS, AND THOSE FOUR THREATS ARE CAUSING PERIL TO THE REPUBLIC AND YOUR COLLEAGUE IN THE BUSH CABINET THINKS ONE CANDIDATE IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO OUR REPUBLIC, WHAT IS THE OBVIOUS NEXT STEP? IT'S REFRESHING THAT DICK CHENEY AND LIZ CHENEY HAVE MADE THE OBVIOUS FIRST STEP AND HOPEFULLY OTHER COLLEAGUES OF THEIRS FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS. >> NOT TO TALK OUT OF SCHOOL, BUT THE CONSTRUCT IS GEORGE W. BUSH'S. HE WRITES ABOUT IT IN DECISION POINTS AND HE'S PRIVATELY, SINCE BEFORE HE LEFT THE PRESIDENCY, WORRIED ABOUT THOSE THREATS. BUT THE HORSES AREN'T HEADLESS, YOU KNOW. THE HEAD ON ALL FOUR HORSES, TIM, IS DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP IS GALLOPING THROUGH NOT JUST THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT THE WORLD. COZIED UP TO VICTOR OR BAN, VLADIMIR PUTIN AND KIM JONG-UN. AND I THINK THE QUESTION FOR ALL OF THEM, WHEREVER THEY GO, IS WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW YOU SEE THE WORLD AND DICK AND LIZ CHENEY SEE THE WORLD? I ATTEST, THERE IS NO IDEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONDOLEEZZA RICE'S WORLD VIEW AS IT PERTAINS TO VLADIMIR PUTIN AND VIKTOR ORBAN AND DICK AND LIZ CHENEY. THE VARIABLE IS SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? >> YEAH. THEY HAVE THE COURAGE TO SPEAK HONESTLY AND TO DEAL WITH THE BLOWBACK THAT THE CHENEYS HAVE DEALT WITH. LIZ CHENEY LOST HER SEAT IN LEADERSHIP. YOU DON'T GET INVITED ON BRETT BAIR SHOW, I GUESS, IF YOU SAY THE WORDS DONALD TRUMP WHO IS THE ONE THAT IS THE THREAT, THE THREAT OF ALL THESE HORSES. I SHOULD SAY ONE OTHER THING. ONE RATIONALE THAT FOLKS MIGHT HAVE GIVEN TO SAY WHY THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN DICK AND LIZ IN THE PAST IS TRUMP WOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE ALIGNED WITH HIM AROUND HIM. THE OTHER BIG NEWS STORY THIS WEEK IS WE'VE LEARNED AGAIN, IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED AGAIN, THAT ACTUALLY TRUMP HAS THE MOST ISOLATIONIST AND THE MOST DANGEROUS PEOPLE AROUND HIM THIS TIME. I MEAN, HE CHOSE JD VANCE TO BE HIS VP AT THE ADVICE OF TUCKER CARLSON. AMONG A COUPLE OTHER ISOLATIONISTS. YOU KNOW, TUCKER, WHO IS PLATFORMING A NEO-NAZI OF HISTORIANS -- A HISTORIAN THAT SAYS CHURCHILL IS THE BAD GUY IN WORLD WAR II. AND WE KNOW -- WE KNOW JD VANCE IS SAYING HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE UKRAINIANS. HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THEM. IT'S LIKE THAT IS GOING TO BE HIS INNER CIRCLE NEXT TIME. A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THEIR VIEW OF THE FREE WORLD AND AMERICA'S ROLE IN THE WORLD TO THE VIEW OF INTERNATIONALISTS AND THE KIND OF BIPARTISAN NATIONAL SECURITY CONSENSUS SINCE WORLD WAR II. WE KNOW THERE WILL NOT BE OTHER PEOPLE AMENABLE TO THE CONDI RICES OF THE WORLD. WE KNOW KAMALA HARRIS IN LINE WITH THE BIPARTISAN NATIONAL SECURITY CONSENSUS. OR DONALD TRUMP, WHO IS A THREAT TO IT. AND A THREAT TO OUR REPUBLIC, AS DICK CHENEY SAID. >> I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE ANOTHER HORSE REFERENCE. BUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS SO VITAL. DICK CHENEY'S FOREIGN POLICY VIEWS ARE WHAT ALIENATED HIM FROM ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND LARGE SWATHS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THAT'S WHAT USHERED IN DONALD TRUMP. DICK CHENEY SEES THE WORLD AND SEES AMERICA'S ENEMIES LIKE VLADIMIR PUTIN, KIM JONG-UN, HAMAS AND THE THREAT OF TERRORISM AND THE THREAT -- ECONOMIC THREATS FROM CHINA AND WHATNOT MORE LIKE KAMALA HARRIS DOES THAN ANYTHING DONALD TRUMP WILL DO PRO SPECULATIVELY IS A POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL EARTHQUAKE THAT'S BEING FELT AND REPORTED OUT ALL AROUND THE WORLD. CORNEL BELCHER, I HAVE NEVER COVERED A REPUBLICAN MAKING THE MOVE INTO THE PRO-DEMOCRACY COALITION WITHOUT GIVING CREDIT TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE DEMOCRATIC PRO-DEMOCRACY COALITION FOR HAVING ALL OF US. WHAT DO THEY DO WITH DICK CHENEY? >> LOOK, I AM COMPLETELY GOBSMACKED. I GOT TO TELL YOU, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO I WOULD HAVE NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS THOUGHT I'D BE SITTING HERE ONE DAY TALKING ABOUT DICK CHENEY AND THE CHENEYS ENDORSING A DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. THAT'S HOW INCREDIBLY OUR WORLD HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THE RISE OF DONALD TRUMP. LOOK, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS, BUT I THINK I WANT TO LEAN IN WITH OUR VIEWERS WHAT A BIG FREAKING DEAL THIS IS. THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT -- THERE'S FEW ICONIC CONSERVATIVE NAMES OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES THAN THE CHENEYS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, AND LORD KNOWS WE COULD DISAGREE, AND CERTAINLY DISAGREE WITH DICK CHENEY ON A LOT OF POLICY AND POLICY ISSUES, BUT WE DON'T THINK OF HIM AS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT PATRIOTIC AND LOVES THIS COUNTRY AND FIGHTS FOR DEMOCRACY AND WHAT HE BELIEVES ABOUT AMERICA. SO, HE WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT -- A REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENT AND THEIR PEOPLE IS NOW LEANING INTO SUPPORT FOR A DEMOCRAT. THAT IS AN INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLE MOMENT IN HISTORY BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER SEEN THE LIKES OF THIS IN OUR MODERN HISTORY. AND I'VE GROWN CYNICAL. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THE SHOW BEFORE. WE'VE GROWN CYNICAL ABOUT HOW MUCH ENDORSEMENTS MATTER OR MOVE PEOPLE. AND IN THE LAST DECADE, JUST IN MY MIND, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF ENDORSEMENTS THAT MOVE THE BALL THAT WERE IMPACTFUL. ONE OF THEM WAS ANOTHER REPUBLICAN BECAUSE IT WAS -- IT WAS SECRETARY -- THE LATE, GREAT COLIN POWELL WOULD ENDORSE BARACK OBAMA. THAT WAS AN IMPACTFUL, MEANINGFUL ENDORSEMENT. WHEN TED KENNEDY ENDORSED OBAMA, I THINK IT WAS A NEEDLE-MOVING MOMENT FOR, AGAIN, OBAMA. I THINK THIS IS A NEEDLE-MOVING MOMENT FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS BECAUSE, LOOK, AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SITTING OUT ON THE FENCE. WHAT BIGGER PERMISSION STRUCTURE FOR CONSERVATIVES TO LEAN IN AND VOTE FOR THE PRO-DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT THAN LIZ AND DICK CHENEY OFFERING UP THE SORT OF PERMISSION STRUCTURE AND APPROVE POINTS FOR IT? I THINK IT'S HUGE. IF I WERE THE CAMPAIGN, I WOULD LITERALLY BE RUNNING TELEVISION ADS WITH THE CHENEYS AND TALKING ABOUT BIPARTISANSHIP AND