Mack Brown

Ryan Reynolds here from mmobile with the price of just about everything going up during inflation we thought we'd bring our prices down so to help us we brought in a reverse Auctioneer which is apparently a thing mmobile unlimited premium Wireless get 30 30 get 30 get 20 20 20 better get 20 20 better get 15 15 15 15 just 15 bucks a month so give it a try at mintmobile.com switch $45 upfront payment equivalent to $15 per month new customers on first 3 Monon plan only taxes and fees extra speeds lower above 40 GB [Music] detail hello everybody and welcome to this episode of sports legends of the Carolinas I'm your host Scott Fowler Sports columnist for the Charlotte Observer where I've worked since 1994 and as always in this podcast I'm traveling across the Carolinas seeking out some of my very favorite sports legends and asking them to tell the stories behind their rise to iconic status for this episode we took a summertime drive to Chapel Hill home of the University of North Carolina and we got to sit inside the office of m brown who is in his second stin as the tar Hills head football coach what do you tell people recruits Etc when they ask you the retirement question now uh it gets asked before they say hello now now 72 Brown returned to Chapel Hill in November 2018 lured back to save a football program that had gone a ride the tar Hills have played in a bowl game in each of the past 5 years since Brown's return although by his own admission they haven't won as many games as he's wanted them to in between his two stins at UNC Brown won a national championship at Texas in 2005 edging Southern cow for the title and what is often referred to as the greatest college football game ever played with 282 wins at college football's top level Brown now ranks as college football's winningest active coach he entered college football's Hall of Fame in 2018 and he'll be 73 years old by the time the tar Hills kick off this season at Minnesota on Thursday August 29th Coach Brown welcome to the show thank you Scott it's a real pleasure to be here with you today and and with all your experience I wanted to start with a big picture question uh so your first job was appalachin state in 1983 so that's 40 plus years ago now what to you where has college football changed the most Scott I think college football's changed more in the last three years than my first 47 and when we left amateurism and went to name image and likeness where players can make money there's so many positive things with it but it's a huge change I mean we can talk about the the change in early signing date none of it touches what what the combination of name image and likeness and transfer portal at the same time are happening and then you talk about realignment from losing the Pack 12 yeah I mean in our lifetime none of us would ever dream that UCLA and USC would be in the Big 10 and there wouldn't be a Pack 12 so I think name image and likeness transfer portal and reignment have probably been the three biggest changes in my career and they've all happened here over the last three years it is amazing and so what's kept you in it what's kept you still going as these as these Monumental changes have happened Scott when I got out at Texas and and went into TV I really enjoyed TV I had a new family I had a new team it was fun um but I I lost my purpose because for 50 years my purpose has been to try to help young people try to help the game of football and um when you think of 50 years of coaching out of your 72 uh and then you played a lot before that football's been such a valuable part of my game so my my faith my family and football is is what I do and um it's very very powerful when you think you can get up every morning and you might can change the direction in in a positive way of some young person's life you might can help a young un coach all the older coaches helped me and now I'm that guy I'm the older guy um so I I just want to give back Al and I want to give back to people we want to help kids we want to help the game we're in a wonderful time in our life we we've had uh unbelievable experiences and met so many people through this business that that we wouldn't have ever expected to uh so it's our time now to give back how good are you on technology like do you have younger staffers who help you you know learn how to Snapchat or whatever I I do but I'm pretty good I i' I've stayed in in touch with it and it's um TV I had to right there was an expectation with ESPN ABC that I was on Twitter and I was active and and uh and recruiting you have to uh so I I really like it I I talk about the addictions now that we all have for phones and iPads and computers I'm probably one of those and I I don't like it I don't like to admit it but when they come up with your screen time every Sunday and I look at oh my God I was on it that much during the week but but that's the way I get my information now take us back a little bit to your childhood growing up tell me what that was like I was so blessed um I had mom and dad I had an older brother and a younger brother growing up in a small town in Cookville Tennessee uh my granddad was the high school football coach for years then he became the superintendent of schools while I was in school my dad was a principal and then became the he owned the local sporting goods store and I worked there every day and we played basketball baseball and football and and had a wonderful community in Cookville Tennessee so uh it was a very safe and and blessed home and I was lucky dad was really hard on us but I realize now that it's he loved us so much and mom was uh she loved her children so much that whatever we did it was somebody else's fault if we miss something up uh so I do understand parents now and how much they love their kids because I was very loved them and my granddad who's the winning as high school football coach in in the school history uh was the love of my life just my joy so I learned to fish with him and and I spent so many hours with him just him telling me stories and and and I want to be the grandfather to my grandkids that he was to me what was his name Eddie jelly Watson and that that uh jelly jelly because he was speaking and somebody uh spilled a bowl of jelly on his on his lap right before he got up to speak they said he wiped it off and he spoke so he became able able to be flexible at life that's cool um and your older brother was Watson if I'm remembering right and so coaching was really in the the family he became a D1 head football coach too did you know in high school you wanted to do this uh I wanted to be a lawyer and I went to Vanderbilt to be a lawyer and then I I'll realized that lawyers have to read a whole lot and I didn't like to read so that wasn't good um I love Steve SLA who we just lost recently and uh he was a great mentor of mine my my dad and my granddad were in the school business so I just got so I wanted to coach and and my older brother wanted to coach and and he wanted to be a sports writer Fred Russell was a great sports writer in the naille Tennessee and so my brother Watson went to Vanderbilt because of Fred Russell and then um we both ended up coaching for many many years so it's been such a blessing my my grandmother told me one time be a doctor lawyer uh there's lots of those you have opportunities there aren't many Mickey M and Roger maris's and she walked out my granddad came in and said boy do what you like like because if you do that you won't work a day in your life so I think Grandad was right yeah absolutely we did an interview like this with Roy Williams and uh he quoted almost the same line it's in a Country Song now too I think do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life but so true Sports writing much the same way you probably didn't think at the time you would get rich at it I assume your the coaches in your family had not right they were high school level no we it's it's one of the wonderful things about being 72 and being back in coaching I'm not worried about anything except the kids and that's what I got in in the coaching for uh you never thought you'd be a head coach you never thought you'd make any money and you never thought about it and and then all of that's happened for us and I've got enough money and I've got enough wins and I've got but I want to help kids and you can't help kids without winning uh you can't keep your job without winning so uh you have to win and winning is important for them too for for their progress college football's become more like the NFL and is every day so we want to make sure that our our kids have fun more fun than anybody else in college football we want to make sure everybody on our team graduates because that's what they come here for we want to win all the games and we've won nine we've won eight that's not enough we want to win all of them and we want them to be better prepared for life when they get out of here that's their goals their dreams would be to play in the NFL their dream would be to have a family like theirs and their dream would be to have enough money that they can do what they want to do for them and their family but you can't get to your dreams till you go through your goals and and that's just the way we run our program we'll be back right after this welcome back tell me a little bit about this year's team I'm sure your your thoughts are are on that a lot right now but you're replacing Drake May who's uh from our area and uh and was was a phenomenal player and will be a great NFL pro I think may now takes the snap tosses to The End Zone it is caught for a touchdown where does quarterbacks stand as you go into August and uh and where does the team stand here well Scott we've been so blessed since we've been here to have Sam how from Charlotte and Drake yeah we've given you two yeah we've had two of the best in the country and and now we're a little different we we've got a combination of of um Conor Herold who's been here who was a VCT Toran it his high school at Thompson one two state championships he's 25 and two played a little bit not a whole lot but got some experience and then we bring in Max Johnson from A&M he's thrown 90 balls in the SEC at both LSU andm so he's been in big Arenas and he's different he's 6'5 Connor's probably 61 one runs 44 the other probably runs 46 they're both really good players and then you bring in a guy that was here before jacobe Criswell and he was the Gatorade Player of the Year in Arkansas and and um played here but he was behind Drake then he goes to Arkansas transfers back to finish he's got two years left so we've got a really good quarterback room but we've got to make sure that we can figure out how to give them enough quality snaps so we can separate them here or they separate themselves before we start the season and the rest of the team where do you stand does this is this a rebuilding year for UNC I don't think so I think everybody else thinks so because of Drake um defensively we've got just about everybody back we we we really lost SED gray and he was the guy that that went to the Titans but he's uh we we've got a lot of people back in our and and on our defense and Jeff Collins has come in and he's Blended very well with the defensive staff and and they're going to be aggressive they're going to come after it so I like what I see and we haven't been good enough on defense we've been good enough on offense our kicking game's been sporadic we've been average at best on defense sometimes bad uh so we'll be better on defense we're we're doing a better job coaching on offense I do think Scott with u transfer portal and nil everybody's going to be about aik uh except this Bunch that pays them all and they're probably going to be better than the rest of us we got to do a better job coaching than ever before so coaching matters and I've told our guys that let's don't gripe about the system let's coach better uh offensively you've got old Marian Hampton who's one of the best backs in the country arguably the best you've got receivers that have played a lot and then some very talented young ones you got maybe the best tight end room in the country uh led by Bryson nesbot and then you've got John copenhaver um and and then you've got an offensive line that's rebuilt we lost four of the five starters they have a chance to be better than what we've had since we've been here for 5 years so I really think that uh and and maybe with Drake and Sam being gone we'll run the ball more yeah be more physical and that'll help our defense so I'm excited and and our our Bunch two years ago that started N9 and one I really like that team they were fun we didn't finish like we wanted to but we really started well this team feels like that team as an attitude for me they get along they're working hard hard they've got the chip on the shoulder cuz they know everybody thinks they're not any good so it's kind of a fun place to be I was actually born in Austin Texas both my parents went to UT um so we have both Texas and North Carolina routs as yourself as as you do as well but I think you've still coached more years at Texas than at UNC barely right I coached 16 at Texas and this will be the 16th okay so you're about to Beth Carina so I'm about to be even how about that um so do you consider yourself more of a Longhorn or AAR Hill yes no I'm I'm really blessed I going in the Hall of Fame was unique because they they wanted you to go back to each school and say thank you to the administration the players the coaches that were there so I really feel like app States my school that's where I started and then tan was an extension I was the Athletics director and Coach there and then coming here in Texas so uh very few people Scott get to be a head coach so I was blessed to do that most people don't make it more than about 3 to 5 years and here I am going on 36 um so I love the places I've been i l going back for those those get togethers those parties with all the players and um I'm I'm blessed to have been in four really really good schools what do you tell people I'm sure you're asked all the time but what do you tell people recruits Etc when they ask you the retirement question now uh gets asked before they say hello now and I bet and I and I do think as you said Roy retires at 72 coach sabbin retires at 72 Villanova's coach Jay Wright retires so a lot of people are saying I'm not going to put up with this I'm just not going to do it anymore and and to me it's been more of a I'm needed more right now than ever before the game needs older people with experience that that can help make some sense out of this stuff the kids need a balance and and uh they need a a soothing confident influence and uh I'm a better coach now than I've ever been because I've still got my energy but I've got more experience and more confidence than I've ever had uh and and that's where all this stuff comes together um so what I tell them is that Texas I got tired 30 straight years and I started talking about retirement I started talking about what I'm going to do next I started talking about who's going to take the the job over and what do we do for the assistant coaches to help them and when you do that you're getting ready to be through so we didn't do as well at the end so when Sally and I got back in we said we're not going to think about it we're not going to talk about it we're just going to work our tail off and then one day when it's best for the University and best for the kids we'll know it and we'll just stop but we're not going to prepare to stop and and I think that's a a huge difference in in where we are now and where we were then uh we're offering 27 quarterbacks and running backs from the class of 27 why would I be doing that if I'm thinking about quitting or why would I be up here working so hard so so when people come in I I tell the families I know you're going to ask me if I'm going to quit because every coach has told you I'm going to quit and I said what a great compliment to me that they want me to quit before I would just say um I can't believe they said that really and truly it's a great compliment they want me to quit they're wantan you out so that's a good thing when you do decide that it'll be sort of sudden at the end of a season like Roy did or do you do you anticipate that you would say a year in advance as coach Kay did and then have a year of people honoring m brown at every um you know Road stop no I'm not an honor guy coaches have OS and I'm I'm I've got one I've got all that but I'm I'm not a guy that likes a lot of attention I'd rather walk in the room and be quiet and be in the back and people ask me questions and I can answer them uh but I I do think since I'm not going to think about it at all there will be a day that I'll get up and just say uh I think it's best right now for North Carolina to transition to this and then I'll do it but I I sure I I'll be in the mountains of North Carolina playing golf or or fishing for trout or on the beach uh and I'll be out of the way but but but um it was funny Scott and um we used to have these Nike trips all the time in fact we took one this year and there were about 30 coaches that had been to bowl games and and Nike would bring them on a trip for a week and I always love sitting and talking to coach pno and Coach B and they were 84 and 85 and I said what are you all doing you're still coaching what what you doing and um coach pno said I don't have anything to do I have no Hobbies this is who I am this is what I do and then we asked coach Bowen and it was really interesting coach Bowen said the day I quit coaching I don't have a purpose anymore and the next significant day of my life will be my funeral and and that's deep I thought about that a lot that's really deep and and it's it's it's not that way with me but I will not have near the same purpose and I can't help kids improve their lives and and and can't help them get better near as much as I can right now we'll be back right after this welcome back I'm going to ask you um what the most memorable game you ever played in as a player was and then what the most memorable game you ever coached in as a coach was um so let's start as a player what what game strikes you the most in college or or high school that or whenever that you ever played in we we had a a high school game we were undefeated my junior year my brother Watson was the quarterback I was the tailback and we were playing Clarksville in Tennessee Tech Stadium because Tennessee Tech's in Cookville yeah and it was a packed house and it was a wonderful game and and it's one I'll always remember just because it was it was so big for that small community and it's why I love all these small communities that Friday night is for high school football did you win it I assume you won it we did win it and they were really good and it was a great game and and and one that I'll I'll never forget and then in college there there were some but I stayed hurt in college all the time I tell her players that um I'm tough but I couldn't stay healthy so for the guys that are hurt all the time and then I thought the coaches didn't care about me and you get depressed some and so as weird as it is that my my career ended with too many knee operations it's been a positive for me to be able to reach out to kids that are struggling and hurt and tell them I've been there is that when you transferred from Vanderbilt to Florida state was it injury related or like you weren't playing enough or no I was I was a starting tail back and and they they actually lied to me which is another thing that's really helped me in coaching is uh my brother Watson had hurt his knee he was in the hospital they told me to go tell him they were going to move him from quarterback to receiver and he was a very highly recruited quarterback so I did that he got really mad at me and then I went back and told the coaches they went over and told him no Matt got it wrong that's not what we said so I said that is what they said so I walked in that day and quit huh and and that's one thing that I I have assured coaches and parents I will never lie to you because that was so hurtful and I went to Florida State and I got H in a a a pickup um football game for a fraternity uh and then kept playing and and probably shouldn't have at that time and and then I've had eight knee operations and two of them knee Replacements so um so I can tell players if you're if you're struggling with injuries don't play cuz at 50 you're not going to be able to walk we have rules don't we'll never have a young man in a hospital without a coach going to see him you're going to go see him and you're going to talk to him right after the operation and you're going to stay in touch with him and make sure he's okay and then never lie to a person because sometimes Scott uh with young people especially it's not what you say it's what they hear right and if they're in the head coach's office they're really nervous right so I will make them repeat to me now what they heard and I'll say no that's not what I said at all let's let's do it again because I used to get calls from mothers say I can't believe you jumped on my kid I said that's not at all what I said not even close um so and I always have somebody else in there with me and I say what did you hear and what did you here to make sure we're all on the same page because I want them to understand I would never lie to anybody so the most memorable game you ever coached in was it's it's funny the the one from here would have been um it's in my third year and we're really struggling and we're down I think it was 24 to 10 to Wake Forest at halftime and Bill duly's the coach and I'm probably gonna get fired that year if we don't win and we come back and won won the game 31 to 24 so people say what game made the biggest difference to you and I thought probably that one CU I wouldn't be here yeah we played Navy and they hadn't won a um division one game for like three years and they beat us out here and that was the worst day of my life for football uh for for a game was concerned and then obviously you you play for the national championship and and that whole year was magical and you you win it and then you played for it again in 2010 and you lose it to Alabama the game against USC would have to be arguably because we won the national championship and fourth and five the national championship on the line right here he's going for the corner he's got it I think there were 96 players on the field that night that played in the NFL at one time or another 96 and they had two Heisman Trophy winners and it was a game that came down to the last 19 seconds so uh it was just one of those games that that Pete Carroll they'd won 36 in a row I think two national championships and Matt Leonard and I are friends to this day and he and Reggie Bush came to our locker room after the game to to knock on the door and say we didn't get to see you on the field but um what a game you you deserve to win the game and we just wanted to tell you congratulations and Pete grabbed me after the game Pete Carol and said U we're a good team but we got beat by a champion tonight that's a better team and I've always admired Pete so much for for the way he handled not only that game but that week in general and um and even the year before we' played Michigan in the Rose Bowl for the first time Texas had ever played Michigan and I've got got coach Royal and Coach shim Beckler out there as as captains honorary captains before the game uh so that was a lot of fun as well Ryan khil is Southern Cal's Center I think that day uh later was a pro bowler five times for the Panthers and remembers it of course not as quite as finely but didn't they go for a fourth down that y'all stopped them or something right and that allowed you to get the ball back what do you remember most about your comeback and vce Young scoring and all that we were down 12 points with 6 minutes and 42 seconds left in the game and I remember Vin young going up and down the sideline saying we're not through man let's go and then we come back and score quickly and then they're driving the ball there's two minutes left and they're about the 49 yd line on our end going in and it's a fourth down and one and some and and lindel White's been running all over us uh he just been killing us and we' done pretty good job with Reggie bus cuz he won the Heisman instead of Vince so our team was after Reggie um and they went for the fourth and one and I remember Jean chisik was our defensive coordinator and and I said bring them all bring them all and Jean said what if they throw it and I said we'll Pat him on the back and say great win if they make the first down the game's going to be over cuz we're out of timeouts and and uh Michael Huff who is a great player um he won the Thorp award and he'll be in in the National Football Hall of Fame he comes through and hits Lindell and I mean it's about 6 in short and we could see it but lindel White's in there he's the power back he gets it he didn't get it and then we go down and score on Fourth and five with 19 seconds left and people say you weren't very emotional on the sideline I said we got to kick it off to Reggie Bush and there's 19 seconds left so that's like eternity um so it it was a a lot of fun and and U it was about 60% Texas fans because they'd never been to the hadn't been to the national championship game 35 years andc done it every year and and it was supposed to be a close game but nobody thought we would win the game yeah that was a I remember watching it on TV and just spectacular game at UNC why did you ultimately come back you knew un see was going to be a big challenge again likely well maybe that's arguable but it's going to be pretty difficult to get back to a national championship game here uh why did you come back all right now we're going to go live to that press conference where the University of North Carolina is introducing mag Brown as the new head football coach let's listen in I felt uh after five years being out every year somebody would call me and ask me if I would come and Coach their team and I liked it and it worried Sally cuz she said you're not through are you and I called dig ver Mill when I quit and said what do I say and he says don't ever say you're not going to coach again cuz coach is coach and there might be a time so you don't want to be a liar that you said you weren't going to coach and you're doing this so he said just just say that you don't know you you'll look at it and every year there was a job and Sally and i' think about it we said we don't want to live there you can't win without cheating we're not going to cheat so it's just not our place we came back here in I guess 2017 maybe and and it it was as we were getting uh inducted into the Hall of Fame in 18 and this was one of the places we came back we watch practice I love Larry Fedora I thought he was doing a great job but and then we uh we had to get together and there were about 200 players that came and we're walking out and Sally says I haven't seen you this happy since you quit coaching If this job ever comes open you should think about coming back here and she laughed and and she said um and Sally is not a big jokester but she said all right so you can coach in Hawaii you can coach in the Bahamas I said they don't even have football she said we'll start a team the Bahama iguanas or you can coach in Chapel Hill that's the only placees I'm moving to uh and then when when Larry uh and Bubba split ways Bubba called me and said do you want this job and I called Sally and said you said Hawaii you said Bahamas she said hm let's do this so I just told bub I want to have a chance it's it's a struggle there's a lot of things that need to be fixed the UNC Board of Trustees is holding an emergency meeting where they are expected to discuss the return of m brown to the Tar Hill Sidelines now brown was one of the most successful head coaches in North Carolina history during his first sent in Chapel Hill from 88 to 97 but I thought there was a better chance to win with the league now than it was before because the League's better and and everything would happen and then uh we started so well and then nil set us back and transfer portal transfer portals hard on the academic schools because it's hard to get somebody in and when you've got 28 Sports nil's tough because because you got so many sports they're all wanting money and you you've got donor fatigue I and Scott for so y'all don't have near as much money you're saying as some of the schools you said that spend a bunch is that we don't and we're doing better and we're making progress but we've told our alums for years you can't have agents now every player's got an agent in fact we got in trouble for having agents at one point and then we told them all don't ever pay a recruit don't ever pay a player you can't do it now we're saying well we were kidding you got to pay players feel free to pay players so our group has been a little bit slower to embrace and I think we're we're seeing now that it's it's here it's the new world so it's going to have to happen but we've got we're coming to one Collective now instead of having one forever team because when somebody gets asked every day for money they got caller ID they don't want to see your number caller because they said oh Max calling he wants money so but we're we're making progress now we're uh I think nil in General's going to level out and it's going to come back through the university and it's going to be more like the NFL with Sal capson and and all of that will help get some of the um some of the parody back that we've lost we'll be back right after this welcome back last thing coach um you saw the ACC in a very different form your first time through here what do you think about the acc's expansion the possibility of Florida State and Clemson leaving uh just sort of this uncertainty really around the ACC now based in Charlotte and and what football is going to look like in the next five or 10 years in this conference Scott it was funny in the early 90s we weren't very good when I was here as the head coach and I remember John Swafford being the Athletics director and John's a dear friend he walked in and said what about Florida State coming into the league I said they're one of the top four teams in the country every year I said wait five years and we'll be good but don't do it tomorrow and he said okay I don't it's not going to happen soon next year Florida State's in and then they just dominate for the they 90s really they took over they they called it Florida State and the the dwarfs whatever the rest of us were so that that was tough we were second about every year but it didn't do us any good because we we couldn't get to the playoffs and we couldn't we couldn't do the things that we needed to do and then when we started looking at coming back back I thought everything's good cuz I went through realignment in the Big 12 we were hours away from going to the Pack 12 really and they had talked to us about recruiting areas they had talked to us about academics and travel and scheduling and so I mean we were there and then the Longhorn Network came in from ESPN right at the end and saved Texas and Texas Tech and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State for the Big 12 but we were hours away from the Pack 12 the Pack 12 now and now there's no Pack 12 no Pack 12 I mean it's just so strange and I worried that A&M's leaving for the SEC then w're Texas isn't going to play A&M anymore Colorado Nebraska go to different leagues and then they don't play anymore Oklahoma Nebraska are in different leagues then they don't play anymore so uh I hated that we were losing rivalries because that's something we all grew up on and and we would all sit there on Thanksgiving watch Texas in Texas abolutely yeah so um then you get back here and and it's all about money because if the with with the new um lawsuit with the NCAA now you sounds like you're going to have to come up with 21 million and then three of that million may go back to the NCAA and you've got to have 18 million to disperse within your your sports don't know how they're going to do the separation where does the 18 million come from where 21 million I mean you you just say okay we need 21 more million so are we going to see Sports being cut are we going to see scholarships being cut and more club sports are we going to see Personnel being cut where where's that money going to come from uh so that's what realignment is about do you feel like UNCC will ever leave the ACC I don't have any idea but to say that anything is for sure for a long time um John swaer did a great job many years ago of State stabilizing the ACC and now the grant of rights there is until 36 so what does that mean for Florida State what does that mean for Clemson if those two do leave the League what does that mean for the rest of us what uh the commissioner's been trying hard to figure out how to get more Revenue it's all about Revenue everybody loves the ACC and would like like to stay sure but you got to have money you can't just say I need 18 million more dollars where's it going to come from do we not have leagues anymore do do we simply have four divisions like the NFL uh we don't know we don't know where it's coming so um I I think that U um it's kind of sad but money's driving the the realignment and Scott football's the money right now so football is driving the realignment and that's why there's more pressure on guys like me we need to win so we can make more money so our school can pay all the bills that we're having to pay well you given us a lot to think about Coach m brown and we just can't thank you enough for spending this time with us today thank you Scott I've admired what you've done for years and of course I've watched it you and I kind of grew up together here and and uh thank you for all you do for sports thank you that's coach m brown I'm Scott Fowler this is sports Legends of the Carolinas thanks so much for listening to sports legends of the Carolinas a production of the Charlotte Observer this show is produced by Lum Ali Sally Jeff siner and C Stevens the sports editor of the Charlotte Observer is Lydia Craver the executive editor is Raina cash if you know a sports fan we've got a great gift idea for you we've compiled the first two seasons of the sports legends interviews into a coffee table book which includes more than 100 rare photos among the 33 Legends in the book are Steph Curry Roy Williams Mike shashy Dale Earnhart Jr Steve Spurrier Jake Delhomme and Don Staley the first printing sold out quickly but the 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