VERY MUCH. NOW THIS, THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA INTRODUCING A NEW POLICY WHERE THE UNIVERSITY WILL NO IN LONGER ISSUE SOCIOPOLITICAL STATEMENTS. CARINE HAJJAR JOINS ME NOW. GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE, CARINE. THE UNIVERSITY CLAIMING HAY WANT TO BE POLITICALLY NEUTRAL, BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS: IS THIS A WAY TO AVOID CONDEMNING ANTI-ISRAEL PROTESTS, PERHAPS? WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> WELL, STEPPING BACK, IT'S ABSURD THAT UNIVERSITIES HAVE TO SAY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE ISSUE POLITICAL STATEMENTS MT. FIRST PLACE. [LAUGHTER] -- IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU GO TO UNIVERSITIES TO LEARN AND TO FORM OPINIONS ABOUT TOUGH ISSUES. AND THE FACT THAT UNIVERSITIES WERE POINTING STUDENTS IN ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER WAS HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT I THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE STEP FOR UNIVERSITIES, YOU KNOW? THEY WERE SEND SIGNALS -- SENDING SIGNALS ON COMPLEX ISSUES LIKE ISRAEL-PALESTINE, AND IT'S TIME FOR THAT THE STOP. I THINK IT'S THE A POSITIVE THING THAT PENN HAS DONE, THAT HARVARD IS DOING, BUT IT'S THE NOT THE LAST STEP. THIS HAS TO BE FOLLOWED UP WITH EFFORTS THAT BRING MORE DISCOURSE TO CAMPUS. YOU CAN SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT WAY TO THINK, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO BRING DIVERSE OPINIONS ONTO CAMPUS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY FORM AN OPINION. ASHLEY: YEAH, VERY TRUE. ALL RIGHT, GOING TO MOVE ON. WANT THE TALK ABOUT THIS ONE, SOUTH CAROLINA SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM CALLING DONALD TRUMP'S DEBATE PERFORMANCE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. SO SHOULD TRUMP PUSH FOR ROUND TWO, ANOTHER DEBATE, AND KIND OF HONE HIS DEBATE SKILLS SOMEWHAT SAY YOU? IF. >> SKILLS? IF WHAT SAY YOU? >> I THINK LINDSEY GRAHAM IS CORRECT, IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY NOT JUST BECAUSE KAMALA HARRIS WASN'T WITH HELD TO ACCOUNT, BUT BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WAS ARGUING AGAINST LITTLE QUIPS HERE AND THERE AND WASN'T ABLE TO TALK ABOUT HIS RECORD AND THE TYPE OF RECORD THAT INDEPENDENTS, THE VOTES THAT YOU NEED RIGHT NOW, SWING VOTERS, THE REALLY CRUCIAL VOTERS RIGHT NOW WANT TO HEAR ABOUT. THEY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT A STABLE BORDER, A STRONGER ECONOMY, AND THEY WANT TO THE HEAR ABOUT STABILITY ABROAD. THEIR NOT -- THEY'RE NOT SO MUCH INTERESTED IN CATS AND DOGS IN OHIO. IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. BUT I THINK IN ANOTHER DEBATE IF THE PRESIDENT WAS FOCUSED IN ON HIS RECORD, ESPECIALLY ON THE BIG ISSUES THAT SWAY VOTES, THE ECONOMY AND IMMIGRATION IN THIS ELECTION, IT COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE. NOW, WHAT I'M CURIOUS TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, DEBATES USUALLY DON'T END UP MATTERING THAT MUCH. A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS. THE SWING VOTERS ARE CRUCIAL HERE. BUT WITH KAMALA HARRIS, THAT'S -- THIS SHOULD BE THE FOCUS FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT BECAUSE SHE IS NEW TO THE CAMPAIGN, PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING UP THEIR MINDS ABOUT ABOUT HER. SHE'S RELATIVELY NOT A WELL KNOWN PERSON RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, AND SO THAT'S WHERE DEBATES HAVE BEEN REALLY CRUCIAL X. IF PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO DO ANOTHER DEBATE, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TALKING ABOUT HIS RECORD, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT ATTACHING HER TO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION RECORD -- ASHLEY: YES. >> -- AND HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF HIS ACHIEVEMENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE SOURED. ASHLEY: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT