Beetlejuice 2 Review! Lets Talk Tim Burton, Big Fish, Edward Scissorhands...

Intro I have a I have a celebrity pass for weona ryer so uh WEA cut cut take that out Cayenne Peppa under his [ __ ] you know what I'm saying stuck his face in a p and then pop back up and just like in the first [Applause] one welcome guys this is the third episode of the film and forers podcast I am uh Josh of course we are joined with Jordan over here on the other end how are you guys doing tonight it's a first night of football season big night man it's a really I've been looking forward to this for quite some time me too man we finally have a a good movie to talk about yes we have we a real movie Beetle juu Beetlejuice the sequel to The Classic that we both rewatched so and no I've been looking forward to it it was uh it was tough the past few weeks man we had the crow and then we had afraid which really kind of sucked man I was like damn this is a rough way to start a movie podcast guys like check the check the upcoming movies if you're going to start a new podcast cuz damn we definitely should have did that yeah we started on the crow week and then if even if we started a few weeks before that it would have been Borderland so yeah well at least we got to talk about our favorite movies for 202 did which was a lot of fun we got that out there so that was uh you know I feel like that was checked off the things to do list of catching back up with all this uh content we we have a ton of content we can do Jordan really do and this week we have of course again Beetle Juice Beetle Beetlejuice 1988 Review Juice directed by Tim Burton which just came out today it's been a long awaited sequel to the original Beetle Juice which came out way back in 1988 obviously it's a super well-known well-loved movie um personally I really enjoy it um it's one that I missed as a kid unfortunately Jordan I missed a lot of Timberton stuff actually me too um I was not really ever shown his movies and then when I would inquire about them my parents were like no let's not do that like his movies are dark Grim it's for the devil it's the exact opposite of what they wanted me to uh be watching so um when I got to finally explore Burton in like high school it was like the the dark fruit that you're not supposed like the forbidden fruit forbidden I was about to say forbidden fruit it was the forbidden fruit um and so there there definitely is a a special place in my heart for uh for Burton but I watched Beetle Juice for the first time last year when I bought the uh the Blu-ray really enjoyed it man uh I thought that Michael Keaton was fantastic it there's a reason he's iconic as oh absolutely yeah no for sure so my I kind of have like it's weird I have a similar experience to you on Tim Bird movies and and not at the same time because I was showing I was showing them like my mom I still don't think she knows who the name Tim Burton is but she liked his movies she loved Beetle Juice she loved Edward Scissor Hands um uh she liked big fish like she just liked his movies for summer and PeeWee big uh Peewee Adventure peewee's big adventure his first movie and uh that movie was terrifying by the way actually terrifying I've never seen it dude scars in my brain some of the scenes in that movie like really in a good way like I really like that movie but like it is it's it's really dark at times it is um but so Beetle juu my first experience with Beetle juu wouldn't really count it it it was really just on in the background when me and my brothers were kids and I never really gave it the time of day until yesterday when I texting you I was watching it and I Echo a lot of the sentiments you say I think it's honestly great like I have one major gripe with it and I just I don't think the title character is in it enough other than that I it is super fun super funny Michael Keaton is obviously iconic in it uh so many great lines that I wish I would have I wrote down because it just when he's on screen he truly comes at you fiery rapid fire which is the opposite I would say in Beetle Juice Beetle Juice but we'll get into the sick we'll we'll get into number two yeah let's uh let's maybe save that but you know number one has so many great lines I wrote down a few this morning cuz I did I did rewatch it this morning um and they weren't even all lines from him there's just a it's a great script honestly um for for being as funny as it is and just as quotable as it is I mean it's not a perfect movie uh I'm not necessarily in love with the original Beetlejuice it does have some issues which we can talk about but um let's see a few that I wrote down this one I believe is from Lydia she says live people ignore the strange and unusual I myself am strange and unusual and I loved the way she said that that is a Lydia line very much so for sure and then then the first line that made me bust out laughing was Beetlejuice he was like I've seen The Exorcist 167 times and it keeps getting funnier every single time just perfect delivery from him oh absolutely and there's a few others um I'm the Ghost with the most babe that one was I had to like title on my uh my Beetle Juice review on the website because that that was just just oh it was it was a leading quote it's a good leading quote yeah it really is and uh I had mentioned it earlier but kathin O'Hara as the uh not not the mom the stepmother yeah she has a a um as Delia Delia so many good lines yeah and I think Jeffrey Jones is the name who plays Charles yeah I so he wasn't in the sequel and if you know anything about Jeffrey Jones we get into it Google him there's a reason why I just learned this myself today I was uh he's been canceled he has been canceled won't repeat what he did but he's been sentenced and you can Google it for yourself um but I thought the way I thought also the just him and Katherine Harris banter back and forth in the first one chemistry was so good like they have a line where they're they're sitting at the table and uh she's talking about decorating the house and everything and then like Lydia is like why are we living here you know and she's making a big deal about it and then it it goes to Charles and he's like you know you would be busy for quite a while yeah like it just kind of looks off into the distance while saying like you're going to have a lot of yeah time spent I'm going to have a lot of free time like hey um look at this huge kitchen you can finally cook a decent meal and there's this like awkward just like the way she looks at him and they the peer disdain in her eyes it's so good it's so good I also thought there was a sorry to interrupt you there but just on chemistry I thought the the matland uh had great chemistry between Alec U Baldwin and Gina Davis um a grand a great just back and forth oh absolutely yeah there was a lot of good chemistry going on in the movie there which I guess kind of leads into um the dis I it's like the disappointment because it's not a disappointing movie it's a really good movie but it what keeps it from being a fantastic movie uh in my opinion is the lack of character story in the second half of the film I thought the first half was a lot more entertaining for me it it just had my uh it had a a story drive that the second half of the movie just did not have at all it kind of resorted to slapstick humor which is what the movie is known for and it's why it's as iconic as it is um but I would have liked some more characterization um just some moments to hit emotionally cuz feel like it kind of Falls flat in that sense it kind of does there was like a cuz on on the way uh on the way to here I was thinking I was like about what you had said about them kind of the the story starting with uh Barbara and Andy and kind of thinking about that and it it really because at first it's not really emotional but at first like they really cherish that house and really love it and they the that that's their main goal in getting Beetlejuice is try to drive the family out the the giddy love between them two is super palpable like it's almost just it's really cute it's fun to watch they're having this station which I feel like station probably was not a term back then in the ' 80s you know I don't think so he actually said those words St no they didn't but they were having a they were having a station they were having a vacation at home before it was hip you know what I'm saying and it was it's just cute they're really enjoying what they have their land you know um I think a big theme throughout Tim Burton movies is the story of Americanization right and the story of just being an American what that means and here we have this adorable couple living in this beautiful house in this beautiful plate land and they're just loving it you know there's no they don't have any problems you know everything's peachy you know and I think that was no arterior motives yeah it it was fun to watch in this uh adorable sort of way that um I feel like you only kind of get from movies in the 80s no it I can now that absolutely agree with like definitely 80s have a 80s Vibes and I I really liked how it was speaking of cute I just liked how their approach to ghosting was yeah I love their cutesy like approach to ghosting how they tease each other even to the point where like they messing up their faces to where they look like weird teethy pterodactyl creatures and they're like like I'm like Alec Baldwin has his mouth wide open and a tongue sticking out and with his eyeballs and he's like honey it'll be fine like they're just talking like a cut that's Barbara's set up um he has his eyeballs on his fingers and his face is stretched out like a dinosaur but she she has the mouth open with the eyeballs on the you are right and and how cuz the image that right when you said his hands were eyeballs I remember when she transforms he has to like take his glasses off and he like does like that he's like oh nice the only reason I know that for a fact is because there is a there's actually a Barbara mland Funko Pop of her in that form when she's in the monster form so I bet you that is a r pop it's they've re they've restocked it so it was pretty nice and it's generally easy to come by now but it's a cool one it's a cool one oh that's definitely cool but Micha Keaton Michael Keaton fantastic I mean he he he makes this movie like without him the second half of this movie would not have worked as a fan of Michael Keaton as Beetle juu I still really did enjoy the whole movie I just wish there was some sort of real uh emotional climax with Barbara and Adam um on the second half of the movie I just felt like I missed that you know um so for me so would kind of bogs it down for me is a second happen in a different way like I wasn't looking for the emotional thing although I I could definitely see that if for me like I said the Title Character wasn't ined enough for me cuz like you build Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetle juu up and then you give him one I mean I know the grave scene where he has The Exorcist line he is there's a lot there but really and truly he only has that one climactic like sequence where he has a lot of meat to work with yeah and then the movie just ends and that kind of was a little bit of a let down I was like oh so he's not in it a lot like he's in it maybe 10 minutes yeah or something like that um so that was my most disappointing thing I just I I was such an an easy watch and I just thought I see why it's it's as loved as it is it's like you said super easy watched movie U I feel like there's people who watched this every year or maybe several times a year and I can understand it I could do that too I might watch this this might become like a Halloween watch for me honestly yeah I'm one for one you know from last year to this year so you know it'll probably keep going me and Kaitlin both really enjoy it um but as far as Burton movies go what's since we're relatively both you know newer to Beetle juu as an IP what is the your favorite Burton movie that you've seen so my favorite Burton movie would be when I watched him back Jordan's Favorite Burton Movies when I was going through his phography back in the day was Big Fish okay that was that was my favorite from Burton um I just liked how and I have now this is not me rewatching it in a few years it has been a few I need to rewatch it um but I liked how I did just rewatch Big Fish though so okay then I'm glad you I'm glad you said that so correct it when I watched it it felt like it was a lot more grounded than his other movies like it still had his Tim Burton weirdness but I never but I said at the movie theater that his movies always feel like a fantasy to me mhm like all always and I said a compliment and you know not compliment sty it's his style and it's it can be a double-edged sword for me I'm not the I've said this before I think in our first episode not the biggest Burton guy I'm not but B Bert is like um easy to digest surrealism I feel like it's it's not surrealistic really but it it kind of Teeters towards that side of things when it's it's creating its realities um but yeah anyway sorry no no you're good no you're good uh but I I liked how this one just felt more tilted in reality more than I felt like the balance was more felt more realistic than it than it you know which is kind of funny considering it's it's a movie about mythology and about you know stor that are times a period in in someone's life and and no I get that I I just but no I hear what you're saying man because it is grounded in um the the first not the the first portion of the the story that opens up to you in big fish is the story of will um and his relationship with his father which is generally what the movie boils down to right it's about will learning about his father who is sick and about to die so that second half or that half of the film is grounded fully in reality you just feel the emotion that way yeah no for for me I I I have felt I felt more emotion in that movie because of that than any of the other movies but even with that said I for me anyway the the parts in in the mythological stories in these stories that are bigger to life that are being unfolded with you and McGregor as the lead that's the best part of the movie to me I thought the other half the other portions of the film featuring will um were actually not as as entertaining for compelling yeah and I understand though for you it is a way you know to you're saying it it was more emotional for you than his other movies because it was grounded in some real it was easier for me to get attached to to get attached to in that way but I did like the grand way of living and ideas that he did too I just I thought it was just a The Perfect Blend of the two of of his of his style really um and that's that's probably my favorite and like I super enjoyed it I I really loved it um I mean I wouldn't say love but it it definitely is an important movie I see why it's a lot of people's favorites um I think it's it's an age-old tale right it's a it's a movie about about stories about Tales right it's about how our Legends are the stories we tell right and that and even down to the movies we watch movies are stories we're storytellers that's why we find this [ __ ] interesting and like I just already they really really encapsulated that because I'm looking at him other than that I don't want to be like cons because I really don't like a lot of Tim like all the like I don't like his Batman movies really okay I I don't I don't like the F the Batman or Batman especially Batman Returns that I haven't watched them enough to have a real opinion so there there is his they're done in his style yeah I I've watched I remember them like well enough as a kid but but I have not seen them since I was a kid right but as a kid I I did enjoy them like I thought they were cool it might be just the Batman in me like the Batman fan I just I it's not even stuff what they do with the mythology I just don't like the way it was told like it just it just especially Batman Returns okay um but I like his Charlie the Chocolate Factory movie I do too well Johnny you do too okay I'm glad I'm not the only one cuz everybody shits on that movie and I like the different tale I'm not sure I'd give it like a fantastic review if I sat down and watched it just to review it but but I mean it it was enjoyable enough I I always like Charlie and chocolo Factory story I know cuz it was weird but Charli and chocolo Factor was was always weird yeah I mean you got freaking Oompa Loompas walking around Oompa Loompas and you got a girl someone giving some a girl a piece of candy and she blows up into a balloon like that was all drowns in a chocolate River like or it doesn't drown but he almost drowns he almost drowns in chocolate river which to be fair there's there's worse ways to drown and then they literally it's almost like they all drop acid when they go down that tunnel like that I feel like that's a an early uh segue into to do in psychedelics as a in college like let's watch this scene in Charlie and chocola Factory where they literally all have like a DMT experience or an acid experience um in this tunnel which I I don't think that's ever explained it's just magic not explain crazy Factory doesn't and you got our boy Christopher Lee who we talked about last week as his dad uh Charlie's dad yeah I like humanizing Willie Wonka I know that sounds cuz he wasn't Wilder was was great as a character I just I like I like getting into the backstory willly Wonka because he's a weird guy man like he is he's an odd guy and um how did you feel about his Alison Wonderland I don't remember that well honestly I really don't remember that well no I remember them pretty well um especially cuz the second one um is actually which I don't think was was Tim Burton but the sequel to his Alice and Wonderland was the first movie uh was our me and Caitlin's first date oh yeah that one definitely has stuck with me um it was not critically acclaimed at all but Alison Wonderland did gross over a billion dollars and that's by far his most successful movie sequel yeah for sure yeah and I think several sequels at this point um but so how about like um well I know he didn't direct Nightmare Before Christmas but it's essentially his movie like how do you feel about the animated ones I the animated one so Nightmare Before Christmas is really the only one I can speak to um even though it's technically not him directing I love night be pref for Christmas that that I that I that I love and uh so you haven't seen Frank and weenie or Corpse Bride I haven't seen corpsebride I haven't seen Frank and weeny I went through a long period folks where I just the person I just didn't watch a lot of movies and I I regret that part of my life but so I'm missing I will catch up but I'm missing quite a quite a bit um but what about so his uh Planet of the Apes movie have you seen that actually haven't seen that one Mark wallberg I don't hate it I don't hate it it it does some weird things with the mythology it really doesn't make line up all that sense all that well with the uh previous movies but Paul Gatti is an orangutang in it really and it's and it's entertaining what the [ __ ] and it's literally what you think it's Paul Gatti playing an orangutang like in a suit yeah yeah yeah oh my God not Mo yeah not moap Mo not moap he's in a suit and everything I need to watch this makeup you do I wish we had a media guy hey pull it up pull it up Jimmy you know no Dam we need once we get big we'll we'll have that we do we we just need to train one of your cats we just need to train Haku on how to be uh on how to be the M guy yeah maybe um but going through his list just to see CU I don't like to completely crap on a guy but no I understand like his it's definitely a turned off turned on like if you like one timbert movie you'll probably like the next you'll probably like the next one you know and if if there's something you don't like about him it's going to be hard to get into it because his movies are all pretty Sim like they have a similar vibe to him they like he chooses these these stories where he can really he loves special effects he loves you know crazy visuals which he does fantastic like abolutely fantastically dude and um I know that you haven't finished watching it but I love Edward Josh's Favorite Burton Movie Scissor Hands like that to me that is the one that has the the the place in my heart um you know that I cherish the most it's probably the one I love the most U I've seen the most times I I remember really liking Sweeney Todd but I haven't watched that one enough Your Love of Edward CER hands would make my mom very happy yeah very happy yeah yeah I love it man I love I love the themes I love how it's you know it's it's a human it's a personified idea of like the Industrial Revolution it's like let's take the uh concept of automization and like make it a human and like put it in the suburbs and uh let the people play with it you know and it like Edward scissor hams could have honestly delved into a hard R-rated horror film where he ends up just like murdering a ton of people I'm so glad didn't happen they did not do that I don't know I kind of want to see that movie honestly cuz I feel like that um might speak to the movie's themes uh better than the fact that it kind of It kind of becomes a romance in the third Act of the film um really between him and riona Ryder's character uh I'm sorry if I'm spoiling this for you right now no I figured I figured that's what was and I remember like so I I tried to watch it the other day um and I wasn't really feeling it but some some other reasons I really couldn't get into it but back back in the day my mom watched it a lot so I remember bits and pieces so you're not spoiling anything okay yeah well anyway I have a whole review on it so if you guys uh if you guys love Edward Scissor Hands or if you want to learn more about it uh video right here so you guys check it out um but I yeah I did not get to rewatch Sleepy Hollow which I know I've seen Sleepy Hollow I just don't remember it at all and then the one that I really really want to watch is Edwood which I've never seen me neither I hear great things about yes me as well I would be is that um Johnny Depp uh yeah Johnny Depp Bill Murray's in it I forget who plays the female lead in the movie but Sarah Jessica Parker okay yeah yep I got it right here and that's a remake of a classic film um and it's one of his it's earlier well-reviewed films um so it's one that I definitely have always felt like I've missed out other than that I've pretty much seen all all the big ones um so this movie speaking of we're talking about off camera we're talking about Camp earlier yeah and I don't know how you feel about this movie because it's Camp I just it's too campy for me Mars Attacks a lot of people love that movie I hate it but like it is just really not my thing but I can't speak to it too much I don't remember it really well the cast is insane like Danny DeVito Jack Black uh Glen Close Jack Nicholson Jack yeah Jack Nicholson's in it like Annette Benning I think is in it like it is an insane Sarah Jessica Parker Michael J fox damn but do not get Natalie Portman but do not mistake they don't they don't play real characters no they they're just there like and and they just there and it's but it's it's supposed to be campy it really is like it that's definitely what he was going for it just jumps a shark for me honestly this this this this one has been raised to the the top of my list now next to Edwood because that actually kind of sounds really fun no you should it's worth to watch it is definitely worth to watch yeah um I've never seen his Dumbo movie I have I was in love with it it wasn't bad but I was not in love with it no yeah so Disney Live Action Disney animated uh I mean I love Corpse Bride I love Nightmare Before Christmas I watch nightmare every single year um that's become one that I've I've really really cherished it's another one that like I was not allowed to watch um as a kid that I really really wanted to and then when I got my hands on it I was like you know what I'm into this like I'm going to cherish this the Boogeyman in that movie gave me not nightmares the Oogie Boogie yeah uh did did that to my Santa Claus very disturbing looking Santa Claus too well I'm backtracking a little bit here but uh going back to Big Big Fish Review Fish um cuz I did I did write a review for that and posted on the webs um and that's a movie you so you remember it well enough um so I can talk about the ending right um I guess spoilers for anyone who's not seen it and maybe maybe spoilers maybe not I'm not really sure but um what kept me from really giving that a great review like giving it four stars or higher is again the same sort of thing with Beetlejuice where I felt like the characters did it did not hit emotionally for me in the second half um I felt like the special effects the the again bringing that mythological those mythological stories that were bigger than life to the screen was like very entertaining but when it came down to um the reality aspect of it I just felt like I wasn't I still wasn't attached enough I mean the whole movie is about will trying to get to know who his father Edward actually is and I feel like as a as an audience we don't really ever get there like there is the whole big thing at the end of the movie with Spectre which is the town he kind of uh he uh he he basically brings back to life you know he it it's it's the third acts um you know kind of climax of the film like where was Edward all these all these years um when he was not there for his son and he was over there taking care of other people um which is something I can heavily relate to as a pastor's kid so it you know there was some sort of emotional attachment for me there but um Will's not the main character Edward's the main character and I just don't feel like I was emotionally super attached to him in the end when he when he passed away it's still a great scene a really enjoyable movie that I I'm going to rewatch a lot yeah see I I cried yeah really I cried but so I want what I how to how to phrase this and ask so was it because you wanted to learn more or you just you didn't feel like you ever actually learned about more about Edward who he was as a person rather than just being a vehicle for the yeah there was really any super emotional moments for me I mean outside of the moment where he dies which is the most emotional it's the emotional climax but to get to that climax I don't feel like there was any super there was no really character arcs or character other than just kind of telling the story going through it no that's fair but it's a super enjoyable story it's a great story I I'm jealous I wish I had a uh you know a father or a grandfather who is you know that cool right like Edward seems like the kind of guy you want to be your grandfa father you know oh absolutely and uh I would want uh I would want you and McGregor to also be my grand like I want him to play who doesn't want who doesn't want you and McGregor to be you guys can play Star Wars in the background like I have The High Ground don't give me don't give me an ideas you never be able to get me on the podcast again if I actually uh that actually came there would you again Jordan thank you for being here while there's there sports there's there's there's sports ball being played on TV right now there there is the Chiefs and Ravens playing right now yeah all that sports ball stuff that you're so into um you know I really appreciate you still being here Jay no problem no problem and I am see beetle juu with me and uh no I am not checking my fantasy this whole time wait are you is that what you're doing over there Jay no I'm really not I'm really Beetlejuice 2 Review I'm I'm really not going into Beetlejuice 2o I I guess we've already kind of said this but to preface our review and our our feelings on it we are both not incredibly attached to the first one as many people are we enjoy it we we appreciate it I think it's like a 3.5 or four star for you yeah but I can see 3.5 it's really like you said 3.7 yeah it's in between that sweet spot right it's it's just short of greatness but it is uh you know maybe over time we'll come to love it more as we watch it over the years but going into Beetle Juice 2 yeah we're not like incredibly in love with this IP so this was not as big or as hype of a movie for us as many uh of you who are watching this video um now going into that we're I'm sure we're both going to give it a super Fair review um so I think you know as we kind of give our feelings about it it's best to just walk through the movie and walk through what happens um so there will be spoilers we will be talking about the uh the uh elements in the actions of the film and what happens in the story um so if you do not want it to be spoiled um you can skip to the end of this and we'll have U just our general feelings about the movie at the end of the uh the full review here so there's that um so you want me to kick it off Jay or you want to kick us off with how the movie opens up and the story and uh no you can you can kick it off you can kick it off okay so yeah I mean the movie kind of starts with uh Lydia who is you know I would say the main character or SEC secondary main character of this film her and her daughter oh yeah co-main character to artega character yeah okay yeah I'd say then uh her daughter whose name is astd if asid's the main character then Lydia is is just as who fit perfectly in by the way I thought Jen artega fit perfectly in with with the universe for sure oh she did I mean Jenna Orga is the new scream girl you know she is Scream Queen scream Queen right right great and I think she's I think she's awesome um I agree so Lydia who obviously um went through a shitload of stuff in the first Beetle Juice you know that you know traumatizing stuff you know traumatizing stuff a little bit of witnessing your family get possessed and almost eaten by a ghost snake right and I guess what's important about that is that she realizes she has this power to communicate with the other side so of course you know in good form she is a TV show host um I feel like she would probably have a podcast as well um in this modern day story that we I would assume so yeah they don't really get into that but I feel like Lydia de has a podcast where she talks about ghosts but her show is called ghost house and U of course she basically brings people U who have haunted property on and uh she she goes into their property and basically gets them info about their ghosts so that's pretty cool um after it introduces Lydia I felt like the movie kind of just it did so much in the first 20 minutes bro like there is a lot to say here and some of it is like this is doesn't really seem that important but they most of it doesn't most of it's not right um Lydia finds out that her father is dead a Charles from the first Charles from the first one so she goes to see her mother dilia or Delia dilia I think it's Delia yeah who is now a uh a successful artist uh and she still is as pret enous as you remember her um just as funny just as fun oh my God she is she's just as funny she is fantastic she has the biggest laughs in this movie she did she got the biggest L and for a Thursday 3 p p.m. showing our movie was packed absolutely packed not with the best of people but we had some we had a noisy audience we did I thought someone was on the phone at at one point yeah anyway so um of course everyone's sad about Charles dying which again Charles cannot be in this movie because he is either in jail or just out of incarceration because he did some things he's cancelled um so rip to that guy in the story and in real life but um there's this random artist I don't think who's ever given a name um in the beginning of the movie who works for Delia the foreign one right the French guy yeah he um was going to be doing some graffiti art with dilia and um he it's canceled because uh Charles died so he walks outside immediately falls into a sewer a lot of people die in this movie just say that real quick do there's a lot of just low-key people just dying real quick and like let's you know just as a vehicle to get to the afterlife correct which is cool with me because the afterlife is the best part about be juice and I'm so glad that this sequel most of it takes place in the afterlife thank I would say the majority of it does I might disagree with you there I'd say it might be an equal split if not a little less huh but we can we're going to dive through the story here so we can talk about that but um basically yeah this artist this unnamed artist who falls down this hole dies takes us to the bureaucratic afterlife once again which is just you know the most iconic um place from this whole story it's it's what I feel like everyone's in love with um he has to go get his number from the clerk you know which I love how they paint the afterlife as a burey it's [ __ ] hilarious so yeah in this awesome bureaucratic afterlife Danny DeVito plays a dead janitor and I I love that they threw him in there little Cameo quick quick quick Danny deito I thought he was going to be inore I don't know why I thought that I just I saw his name like on the title somewhere on a poster but uh it was cool seeing him it's always cool seeing Dan deito he uh makes an accident and quickly unlocks the uh one of the 50 main characters in this movie I guess the antagonist kind of dores I guess so in the first movie when he's about to marry Lydia he drops real quick in a Sly comment that he used to have a wife and that this is this would not be his first marriage he says that very very very quickly I didn't even catch that and they just took that and they they explored that idea now I was not a huge fan of this plot B in the movie if I if I'll be honest but we'll get more into that um so Dolores is as Beetlejuice puts it a soul sucker and he's she's good at it is what he says which killed me every time by the way every time they called her a soul sucker I was just like yep that that's what happened and they shrink up in the little body yeah and she literally sucks your soul and um rip Bob though yeah and she is very she's very she's like elvar and she's like a sexy mil vampire is kind of the vibe there oh yeah she was giving the um what's the what's the girl's name for Resident Evil 7 the the she was giving heram I forget right now I love Resident Evil I know exactly you're talking her you'll put it in you he does fancy things with the edits he'll put her in there thank you thank you you're welcome um yeah now I thought she was cool I like that they explored uh his previous marriage I just feel like the film didn't have enough time to fully explore it and they kind of had to they kind of had a few two elements in the movie anyway I don't want to get off track here um yeah so we meet Jenna Ortega's character she's playing astd she is very much the opposite of her mom you know in True Form she kind of hates uh the supernatural she doesn't believe in it right she thinks the ghosts are all [ __ ] um she does not like the fact that uh Lydia her mom is dating the producer of the show whose name is Rory Rory played by Justin tho yeah thank you um so yeah and then so after we meet uh ASD we meet another character we meet defo who's playing a detective in this uh afterworld which I thought was awesome he he was great in the role but he's one of the many characters toone in this pot that I just don't think I don't think it made a good like a good good enough meal we'll get more into that but like yeah no he's part of plot B right we can we can refer to that as plot B throughout this yeah the detective and um basically he is informed that Dolores who was basically um in jail in uh in afterlife jail her her different body parts are in different boxes and which again Danny DeVito accidentally knocked them over and Unleashed her so Devo's character is out there hunting down um Dolores in this afterworld and again she's a soul sucking member of a death cult and she was once married to Beetlejuice before he chopped her up into little bits and I guess put her in jail um back in the day which I guess that confirms Beetle Juice was a serial killer not serial killer but he was a he was a murderer he was a bad boy I mean he it's it's it's shown that he was a grave robber back in what is that like the 1800s or something that is true I love that little black and white uh segment oh that too when he had that whole monologue going on during that it was such a unique it was such a Beetle Juice thing though Tim Burton thing to add and uh another thing they did was the little animated part with Charles dying and the pl the clation thing that was so cool clation yeah cuz oh and so after he gets bitten off like the chunk bitten off I love the Practical effect of like every time it shows his top half you have blood squirting right so Charles is uh killed by a shark right so yeah when he is represented in the afterlife he has no top half of his body it's just the the middle half like right here and there's blood squirting out of it and it's amazing every time he talks the blood squirts saw and it's it's it gets on people who he's talking to and it's yeah it's a great little look fantastic and if it feels like I'm jumping around here a lot it is because this movie does jump around a lot in the first 30 minutes again it's introducing all these elements it's kind of throwing them at you it's kind of a lot to consume um I think we kind of agree on that no definitely and it doesn't unfortunately lead to anything it feels like every element every character was just a plot device for specifically beetlejuice's character um Lydia and uh astd right like everything every element dealing that just involved them getting to where they needed to be at the very end of the movie and it didn't really mesh all that well most of the time honestly I agree with you I agree with you again I feel like it was kind of rushed like they had a a longer script and they they chopped some of it down or something I I feel like they could have removed a few elements for it to have hit more in the climax for sure yeah I agree the one so the One Missed element for me and you haven't touched on him yet but you're getting to that area is the boy that he meet the boy that astd meets right right right so yeah I was that's kind of jumping a little bit essentially what happens here is astred and Lydia they they go to the house from the original movie Yes um which is where uh dilia lives I guess when she's not in New York doing her art stuff um they're there to have the funeral for Charles um and as's not having any EV she does want to be a part of it she is just you know she typical very angsty high schooler uh coming of AG stuff here she goes into town and meets this boy which what's his name Jeremy she meets this boy named Jeremy in the town and um they kind of form a little relationship there and there is several twists asso with him associated with him there is um which we will get into in a second here so astd is getting super overwhelmed with the the funeral and the fact that Rory proposes to Lydia at the funeral which is super [ __ ] weird awkward as [ __ ] dude don't do that like don't do that no um just no um so yeah I guess that's kind of a a a reasonable thing to run away from as a teenage girl 100% just all trying to take all of that in at once um and she doesn't like Rory and for good reason he's kind of a douchebag oh he's very he is very he is very much a douchebag but real about that the funeral scene love that they got the Banana Boat Song in there when when they had the choir kids singing the banana dude I that was one of my favorite parts of the movie I just yes I really did I really enjoy them slipping the song in there see for me this this whole like first 45 minutes like you said about the first movie I just wanted Beetlejuice I wanted more Beetlejuice off the bat there and we get like one scene from him in the first 45 minutes where uh it introduces him and he's he's kind of living in a call center he seems like he's really busy in uh in today's day and age in 2024 cuz he's got a whole com a whole call center full of the uh the shrunken head dudes they're all working for him um I forgot that part out cuz it really doesn't do anything besides besides bringing be Beetlejuice back into the world it doesn't have any significance uh to the general plot there no not not really and unfortunately Beetle Juice just feels like an afterthought in his own movie it's so weird it's very weird yeah most of the time until until the end where all the elements come together and then like oh yeah this is a Beetle Juice movie and yeah it's like they don't want to overuse him so they they like try their best to save him and build the plot um outside of him and then he comes into save the day as this anti-hero almost which I understand that aspect of it I really do I just wish they would like mesh the it feels like their main goal is still to show Beetlejuice but they don't want to show Beetle juu at the same time so they have to in the meantime they have to like get all these different elements to throw in there to get Beetlejuice to where he needs to go which in the first movie I enjoyed I really did enjoy the the initial couple that we talked about the Midlands and then the uh the new the new couple and Lydia and I felt like this this second Beetlejuice it's got just too much fluff too much fluff going on way much going on too much going on to get to get to where we all really want to get to which is Michael Keen as Beetle Juice um who ultimately I thought is obviously he's aged he's not as good as he used to be no he's not as no there they don't really give him as much as much spice as much cayenne pepper under his [ __ ] you know what I'm saying like there's not as much off-the-wall on balls of the wall beetled you [ __ ] no yeah he doesn't he he doesn't come off like he just stuck his face in a pileo Coke and and pop back up and just like in the first one in the first one he's the Tony Montana Beetlejuice VI we did not get that we did not get that he's like off the wall in the first one he's he's saying lines so fast that you can barely understand him and I never got bored of that I wanted more of that I and in this one do you think he had it in him he's so he's so old he's old honestly no like not I don't think he could cuz you see glimpses of it in Beetle Juice the sequel he's like oh my back so bad exactly like I don't I'm not going to do it all that much but like you can see glimpses of him of Keaton trying to dip his toe into that into into that that that aspect of the character but he was way more somber and ton down in this one yeah I also thought that cuz he was a major perve in the first one he was and I felt like that was so T turn toned down in this one a lot which I yeah could be a good thing yeah that they did that um it's it's more PC for sure for sure but he was still great as a character like I'm not trying like he was still great in this movie just to continue with the uh general plot of the movie though basically everybody sort of ends up in the the afterlife at one way or another dilia dies very stupidly by poisonous snakes hilarious um astd is taken there by this boy Jeremy which is kind of the big twist of the film which for you it seems like it hit like that that worked for you first part of it hit it didn't stick The Landing at all though I agree whatsoever this movie has a problem sticking Landings whatsoever but I thought they I thought they mishandled his ending the worst cuz like that was the that was of all the plot beas we're calling it that was the one that I'd say this is plot a I'd say Jeremy and an as just plot a doesn't get treated like it because it gets dealt with like it it's the it's how um it's how astd and Lydia end up in the afterlife right so essentially it's it's a plot device plot device for that so it's plot a in in terms of being a plot device but it does not feel like it and it doesn't get the treatment of because I know like technically it's it's that but it's taken care of the second it gets in the second they get to the afterlife it's like okay they're in afterlife now bye right like and just go and whenever they first intru like oh dude he killed his parents his serial killer in my head I was like this could be really cool it kind of It kind of loses itself there so what what Jordan's getting into here is that we learn that Jeremy is actually dead which was a pretty it was a cool twist it was I give it that it was it was set up really nicely I um when astd first goes into his house and she brought she's brought upstairs to his room it purposely doesn't show the face of his dad or his mom and really I was thinking like wow do they just not have money to cast like big names for these characters like it just didn't show their faces at all I was like I guess it's not going to matter and at that point there was so many elements going on in the film that I was like doesn't [ __ ] matter didn't didn't really register and then we learned that we couldn't see their face because both of their faces have things plunged into them correct because Jeremy murdered them which is is the second twist so again ashd learns that he's dead he convinces her to come to the Afterlife with her to see her father um we then learn from Lydia's side of the things who is talking to the real estate agent from the original movie's daughter um I forget the names of those characters but the Butterfields the Butterfields maybe I think it's I think it's the Butterfields I'm okay so the Butterfields explain that um there is a family a house on that street that could not be sold because there were murders there Lydia's like oh [ __ ] what address of course ends up being the address where Jeremy lives so we learned that he is dangerous and he is bringing Astrid to steal her soul and um that is the reason that astd ends up there and then of course who does Lydia turn to for help Beetlejuice Beetlejuice beetlejuice good old Beetlejuice and there is actually a fantastic scene where uh Rory and Lydia end up encountering Beetlejuice for the first time in the film um where basically Rory wants her to deal with her trauma cuz he is a very emotionally Progressive man who who definitely takes on the the feminine energy I guess the the burdens of of a man showing his emotions on hisle his his vibe in a sentence and I forget exactly what he says but basically he he he describes himself as an emotional masculine or something along those lines anyway in in in forcing her to deal with her trauma he summons Beetle Juice and they are brought to the world of the uh uh the scaled Village the model the model yes the model that was created by Adam um and they meet Beetlejuice for the first time and that is I guess like the real first big scene for us with Beetlejuice is that and I actually I really enjoyed how he he freaked out Rory that was pretty cool you like it it's one it's one of it was one of the best sces in the movie for sure yeah I love that man dude Kon even though he is old and we've kind of dogged on him he he's still it was he still had a lot of fun he did you definitely tell he wasn't phoning it in like I don't I don't know if we gave that impression he definitely didn't phone it in no he had a lot of fun he did um so yeah as I mean uh Lydia does turn to Beetlejuice to help her same to help her save astd um from Jeremy of course he he agrees but he agrees under the condition that she'll marry him which is ultimately what that was his goal this whole movie in the first well and in the first one too yeah TR to Mar in the first one oh for sure well in the first one it kind of is thrown in there at the end I feel like um but in this movie the very first scene with Beetle juic he has a a picture of Lydia on his desk and he's he's staring intently at it and we you know you get the idea off the bat that he still wants her he he still wants that promise to marry her from the first movie and uh he he ropes his way into it again this one I mean can you blame him for No Rider adorable adorable I'm I'm in love I I am in I am too every time like she gets on her quirky monologue I'm just like oh my heart I have a I have a celebrity pass for weona Rider so uh weona hit me up I'm just kidding just kidding just kidding um so cut cut cut cut cut take that out so at this point of the movie everybody is in the afterlife U I really did enjoy the moments of Dalia and Charles um astd ends up getting saved Jeremy as you kind of said earlier just gets written off just gets off so fast Beetlejuice kills him he's gone with no hesitation like Reno R is like uh Lydia is like hey can you help me with this and the Very next scene or the very next other like whenever they get into the Afterlife he takes care of him he takes care he's already dead right so he didn't kill him he he removed him from the story see him again and uh essentially Astra does end up seeing her dad who for her anyway is a is a big part of this movie she does miss her dad dearly um there there's a cute scene with them that for me did not work emotionally Nei at all again because there's so much going on in this movie it just it doesn't hit the it doesn't hit as like they wanted it to also the conversation was just really short and basic but the Prosthetics of the fishes nibbling on him was making me laugh inside it yeah yeah but that's just goes back to the visuals PRS are fantastic it is you know and again this movie is a visual treat that's what it's all about um and Tim Burton had a you couldn't tell he had a [ __ ] great time making this movie oh for sure I mean it's his first movie in five years yeah definitely so yeah after that they uh they do move on to the marriage um Beetle Juice has to get get what he's do which is Lydia who's also supposed to be marrying Rory coincidentally that same night it is Halloween night at the script of this time um Rory also just like Jeremy gets written off by Beetlejuice man Beetle juu just shuts down characters when he meets him and and his exwife they both get taken up by the sandworm that is what I wanted to say is Dolores I haven't really even mentioned her from the beginning because really the the sub blot the subb plot in this film involving Dolores is not essential at all she just she has scenes where she KS people looking for Beetle Juice outside of her looking for Beetle Juice they play no role in the film at all outside of just being something cool I guess I guess it's cool I don't know I mean it was cool every time she uh you know sucked her soul and sucked everybody up it uh it was cool visually and rip to Bob one of the best side characters in the show in the movie rip Bob R andito man she took out a lot of good ones she really did but that's that's all she did so Beetlejuice exposes for being the money grubbing fraud that he is he's just marrying Lydia for her money Beetlejuice on the other hand actually does seem to have like some some emotion towards towards Lydia I mean in the slightest way I guess I don't even have to mention that it's not real I'm just maybe making that up in my no I I think in his own [ __ ] up Beetlejuice way I I think he cares about Lydia I I do yeah I do believe that in in his own weird way so the B plot and I guess the a a plot of um Lydia trying to get to know her daughter I guess this movie is really a a mom to daughter story about them just kind of bonding a little bit and getting to know each other more um all of the elements come into play at this church where they're supposed to be married there is it's it's the it's the climax of all the different plots but it's also the climax of fun like it is that's a fun scene it is a very fun scene yeah I mean I agree with you that it is disappointing in the fact that there's not really any emotional or character climax at all it just comes down to this grandiose special effects moment out the wall out the ass just wild [ __ ] happening they go for it and you can tell the that's why the scene was fun because you can tell the cast Jenna Ortega Ryder Katherine they were having a blast yeah and you can tell and like they kind of remade I like how they kind that clima in that climactic scene they kind of remake well not remake but do their own version of the dinner uh Banana Boat Song in the first one where all like mimicking the uh yeah it's another musical it's another musical piece and I thought it was great it really was great Beetle Juice is a musical guy man he's really good at uh possessing you for musical numbers and you know what they they always slap so if they make a Beetle Juice 3 do it again straight musical honestly just a Beetle Juice musical I that was a genuine face cuz like I I would be down for that like maybe not every line of dialogue no no no but just a more of that more of that possession singing uh stuff it's so much fun it is so much fun yeah oh dude that's a good idea Tim Burton take notes take notes you've been you've been on vacation for long enough Burton come on you come home and this movie is about to make a [ __ ] ton of money probably so get that get that third sequel uh sequel cooking don't bring your babies to the theater cuz you know who you are if you're listening to this you know who you are and intrusive thoughts of of kicking babies what who said that so um it sucks that defo really doesn't play a central plot at all because he's so good he's so good so underutilized he's so real if you seen the movie you get that yeah he's a detective but in the real world uh or in his life he was an actor he was an actor yeah he there's this literally a character who is his secretary and every time he speaks she brings him and he never coffee it's one of my favorite bits in the movie yeah and there's a trash can full of crushed coffee cups and it's like dude that's good and like every time he brings her he's like thank you and he Winks at her you keep me real like he was so good he was good he was so good it's sad that it's so it's such throwaway scenes though I know it's his character is just is just whatever I would have liked him and Beetle Juice to have scenes together and they only really have one yeah kind yeah yeah where he's talking to him about Dolores he lets her know he lets beet juice know that he's on the she's on the hunt for him and to watch out um which again I just feel like they cut some of that man cuz like they had to man cuz it really doesn't go anywhere I this entire time I'm not kid I've been trying to think of like because even the Jeremy stuff that go that gets cut off from its knees um uh it still served the purpose of getting of getting the characters into the Afterlife I don't know what purpose Dolores serves like I'm really trying to like I've been trying to think about it and I just to add some horror elements basically just just to add that Alvira type sexy vampire element to it like all I got sexier I guess yeah I'm sure there's something that we're missing like I detailed like a lot throw away line that that's but it's not if it's that easy to miss then I agree doesn't really matter I you know exactly and again she and Rory are taken out of the plot by a spider the same way Beetlejuice or not a spider a snake from the from oracus the sandworm from oracus yes you got you got a Paul up there I would love to see a sandworm fight between that sandworm I always felt like that was araus when they were going I know it's Saturn they call it it's Saturn's moon or something but it feels like it feels like araus especially this movie with the way the sand was like shifting under their feet I know I kind of wanted to just like yell at the screen like do the dance move your feet along the sand yeah the sandwalk um if if you guys like Dune we're we're always going to be dropping Dune references we're gonna when the Dune TV show in HBO gets closer to dropping we will do an entire Dune episode where we break down the series and our our love for it cuz we're both huge fans um yeah huge huge so yeah I mean basically the movie kind of just ends here Astrid obviously accepts the fact that um there are ghosts I mean she learned that really well she she kissed one might have been her first kiss we don't know I hope not for her sake I hope not um so her and her mom definitely have some bonding um the movie ends on in in true good fashion it ends on a really [ __ ] weird note like that dream sequence is weird and off-kilter and I kind of like it I kind of like it it's an off-kilter ending that would fit in the world of beetle juices as it as itself but also can kind of mightbe said like maybe like he's still around yeah you know for the sequel so I think it did it accomplished both jobs there yeah like what happens is we get a Flash Forward um ASD falls in love um I guess when they are um at Dracula's castle which is a place that she always wanted to visit seems like they end up going there she sees a guy they fall in love and they have a baby and when the baby comes out Beetlejuice baby it's Beetlejuice baby and he kills like brutally killed the gorest scene in the movie Out of Nowhere yes kills the doctors yes and it's like what is this how the movie is going to end and then um Lydia wakes up and it was a dream yes so real you don't have to dive too much into it if that would have been the ending how you felt and and then because I there was a when the camera was zooming in on Jenna Ortega and she was just like laughing I'm like is the camera going to end right here I was like is the movie going to end that would have been better honestly it would have I think that would have kept me laughing more um you know with the credits rolling right cuz after Lydia woke up it's like okay it was a dream it was a dream yeah um but if if that was really how it went down I don't know I kind of would have [ __ ] with that I don't know how cuz I would I think I would have [ __ ] with it but in my head while that was happening I was like oh well I guess the third one's not happening yeah I was like I guess the third was not happening um it wouldn't make it wouldn't have made any sense if that really happened um but there is like a a second dream because when Lydia wakes up correct beetle juu is in the bed with her and then she wakes up again yes and then the movie ends and then but it ends with her like looking at the pillow where he was laying or you think he was laying where he would have been lay he would have been laying and she looks back with the look on her face isn't like a thing of Terror the look on her face is just like here we go again and how was Beetlejuice locked away I'm forgetting that element so he kind he she says Beetlejuice Beetle Juice Beetlejuice like the first one but and but he just kind of dead I thought he died cuz he remember he kind of catches on not catches on fire but kind of like evaporates down the small version of himself and once he gets to like just like this big he kind of just poofs poofs away okay yeah and that's really all it was like it wasn't this big thing of them like locking him away or anything that's kind of she just kind of said his name three times yeah so that's basically the whole movie um it's you Spoiler Free Review want to you want to start Jay on your general feelings for this movie and just yeah sure um so overall I don't don't know if we uh sounded well I don't know how you feel exactly overall but me I don't know I might have sounded more pessimistic about it I actually liked it like it's not I don't think it's nearly as good as the first one um and again this is coming from people who are not heavily attached to this IP I will say that UPF front so many people are going to love this movie if you love the first Beetlejuice go see it like if you if you really do because I think a lot of people are gonna love this movie more than we did but I just thought the thing that really bogged it down was the amount of elements that just were in the movie and didn't add up to anything yeah and they were mainly plaid devices for the three main characters and I just don't think they Blended that together but it was funny it was an easy watch uh Keaton was great um I love the Practical effects and the the the Whimsical fantasy style of Burton like that part of him when he's uh that part of him that I like that was there uh so yeah I give it about a I haven't reviewed on letter box yet but I'm sitting around like three I'm right there with you I think it's decent good time uh but could have been a lot you see it could have been a lot better but go see it I definitely don't see myself rewatching this one as much as the first it's not going to be an every year thing for me like the first one was cuz it is a bit longer of a movie and that extra run time really doesn't do anything for us maybe we'll come to appreciate the plot B more in the second playthrough but um it's not I definitely see myself rewatching the first one cuz it's so short and it it's s just such a smoother experience than this one um but otherwise my my opinions are pretty much the same as yours I had a lot of fun um it's there's great practical effects uh the soundtrack is fantastic Katon is awesome as though he is underutilized Beetle Juice is unfortunately just underutilized in the movie um named after him I love seeing we owna again I always enjoy her um just my wifeu oh absolutely well I think just's a lot of people w f understand understandably so and really quick about the actor cuz the actor I don't want to I'm so sorry I'm butchering his his last name Arthur Connie Cony the guy who played Jeremy okay I might I want to shout the actor out cuz I thought he was awesome like what else is he in I feel like he looked familiar I'm not really sure let me see let me let me see real quick this is his only movie really like on so I I clicked on his name on letter box breakout roll and it's his only big movie yeah so I think we both uh are giving it a thumbs up for sure go see it guys check it out if you especially if you love the first one you're bound to love this one if you're like us and you enjoy the first one maybe once or twice it's it's still worth seeing man if you want if you want something fun to go see in the theater this weekend check it out and just having said those words just listening to you it's actually worth checking out it feels really good to say that like it feels really good to say that again deep exhale we're in good movies now good movies yeah we've got a we've got a few good weeks ahead of us next week man we got Transformers one and uh uh see no evil speak no evil speak no evil speak no evil so yeah I'm looking forward to both of them okay I'm definitely looking forward to that too uh this has been a lot of fun Jordan always man always looking forward to every every every Thursday man I'm just like can't wait it gets me through the week man it gets me through the uh the hard days I really do love doing this and uh those who are watching it means more than you'll ever know like it really does thank yeah thank you guys especially if you're still listening that means you got through the whole episode and that means uh I love you and I and you get a virtual hug yeah thank you guys it's all I can afford sorry um we'll be back next week and uh if you guys want to check us out I do post all my reviews on the Filman for.org 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